I a Turkish Forum in Illyria Forums people are writing that Hungarians are Turkic Uralics?

Any Hungarians care to explain?

This is the link

http://p083.ezboard.com/fbalkansfrm12.showMessage?topicID=711.topic

We are Magyar, people either wanna be us or kill us, nuff said

Erno,
I don't want to be you or kill you, so does that mean I'm a special case?
In fact I quite like and respect the Hungarians and Hungarian nation. When I went to Budapest I was impressed.


But just out of interest, is it really hard to become a Magyar. I mean is there a selection process that one has to go to. And hypothetically speaking if one was to become a Magyar, does one have to denounce his roots, and learn the Magyar ways. Just interested.

The article by OMELJAN PRITSAK about the
language of Huns,who is the professor of the university of
HARWARD,

There were two bigs Turkish Tribes which had arrived in eastern
Europea in the period following the last quarter of the fourth
century... These were Hunnish-Bulgars Turks(
Hsiung-nus,Onogurs,Kutrigurs,Volga and danube Bulgars ,Avars
and propably Pechenegs)..
the second one is that The main Turks ( eastern Turks;
Khazars,oghus,kharakalpacks and kphycaks)

The main Turkish language which would be dominant in eurasian steppes
Until 10th century was Hunnish-Bulgar Turkish..
There were seven original properties which differed Hunnish-Bulgar;
Turkic from The main Turkic(eastern Turkic and
Hunnish-bulgar,Eastern Turkic.

The Hungarians are part either the Uralic or Altaic group BOTH of which are Turanian - in other words Turkic.

CLICK ON THE ADDRESS IN MY SIGNATURE FOR ACCURATE, DETAILED INFO!

(or to go straight to the Hungarian page : http://www.hunmagyar.org/hungary/index.html)

TURANIAN LANDS & PEOPLES

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...Turanian people are turkic you turkish nationalistic pig? There are the Altaic languages (Turkish, Mongolian, Kazakh, Uzbek, Tatar, Manchu ect) and the Uralic languages (Hungarian, Finnish, Estonian, etc.)?? Which part you do not get turkish shepard?

DO you think that your asian turkic tribe (because this is where you came from to Europe) was the mother of all eurasian tribes? Are you out of your tiny mind??? Do you need to prove that your nation is great?? Well it is not! You came from central asia where you were evolved to be the animals that slaughtered sooooo many people and nations.

stick your Pan-turkish propaganda in your ass. you are you anyway?? The young turk fascists who used this pan-turanian despotism to get rid of the armenians and the other nationalities under the cover of World War I?

oh shut up Kata! Your personal hate means nothing here, and you need to read your history more, now stop running your mouth. Turks are great people!

yeah very great people: they knew how to deal with armenians and greeks in the last century

In my opinion Armenians look like Turks. They are all swarthy.

KAT -

The dominant racial line in Turanians is Turkic. Just because you don't like it that doesn't make it untrue. Under the Altaic branch you get all the languages you mentioned, which are Turkic. Under the Uralic group you get the languages you mentioned, which are Finno Ugric, all of which are Turanian where Turkic is the dominant mother tongue.

You refer to 'me and my Turkish tribe" as though we are different people. Are you Hungarian darling? Because if you are you came from the exact same place as me. Don't they teach you about Arpad in school?

There is no need to try and realise your dream of all Turks being 'young Fasicts' upon me sweetie.
There is no propaganda here, there is just a frightened rabbit who is too agressive and ignorant to accept otherwise.

Hopefully one day you will grow up enough to talk to me properly, then i can answer you properly.

Turan

Both of you are part of the ****ing proud mongolian family!!!

hey mr. ANNOMOUS, get a name for YOUSELF before you call anyone else names. "mongol, mongol mongol" did your king Ceasescu give you a name for yourself or were you were just considered apart of his "s h i t" nation?

He's anonymous because he's ashamed he's a Cigany , Right Roma


Ungaro

De fiecare data cand bozgoru' asta scrie ROMA ma gandesc la Imperiul Roman.

Each time this bozgor writes Roma, I think of the Roman Empire.

Mars in Altai pocitanie!

When I wright roma i think of stupid little roman buzis like you


Ungaro

When I say Tziggeuner or Moghior actually I think of Asia. You, bozgy should be defending the great Asian races. I understand you'd like to forget you're Asian, but we never do.

Back to Bashkiria you fright!

Yeah, mongo, you are a stupid Mongoian but recklessly right. We always say "From Rome we come".

We are the heirs of the Great Empire and still don't like Asian barbarians.

Rome , Ha Ha Ha Dacians , Ha Ha Ha . Try Albania , You Buta little brainwashed Vlach Cigany . You have no history . 150 yr. old country . Stupido , you're not fooling anybody . May be in 1000 yrs you can compare to Magyarorszag, Kurva ROMAn


Ungaro

its funny, I never hear an Italian say "Romanians are our brothers". Never!

how many italy ethnic italians do you know?

Tons of them! I live in North Jersey , theres many many italians here and the older ones from Italy. Ive known many and i still never heard that, only that Sicily they brother!

I heard mongolians sayng that your are brothers bat thei'r ashamed of it...

how is it that even when there are several theories on your origin, of which at least one is that you're in some way related to the romans, you have already chosen which is the right one, although there is evidence of several theories being right and also several arguments against all (main 3)
since you have decided which one is the right one /eventhough historians can not agree on this/ and defend this with your dear lives (at least on this forum you do) it's not strange that this appears somewhat suspicious to some and one tends to believe that even you don't believe this theory is the true one! i'm not saying it isn't, but you sure act like you would like it to be some other way then you yourself fear is the actual fact.
there are several theories on where the magyars originated from. but this is discussed EVEN among hungarians. not to mention the tons of other peoples trying to find their true origin. stop this asslicking of the italians and romans and try to find out the truth instead. are you really that scared of the thought that you are maybe not ancestors of the romanized dacians??

or language is >70% latin and , except italian, is the closest to latin from the other great romance language.
even if we come from albania we still have roman origins

Dont forget Romanians are half Slav! SO your brothers with Russia too!

Romanian Wednesday, April 06, 2005, 20:03 GMT

Do Romanians descend from Sardinian soldiers? The history proves that there was not any relationship between these two peoples in Roman times, yet the linguistic coincidences unique to both languages are evident.
Romanian language, (derived from Ancient Latin ) is the least-known language in the Romance family… and contains many words taken from the surrounding Slavic languages plus:

Greek ( folos < ófelos = use; buzunar < buzunára = pocket; proaspăt < prósfatos = fresh)etc
Hungarian (oraş < város = town; a cheltui < költeni = to spend; a făgădui < fogadni = to promise)etc
Turkish ( cafea < kahve = coffee; cutie < kuta =box; papuc < papuç = slipper)etc
German ( cartof < Kartoffel = potato; bere < Bier = beer; şurub < Schraube = screw)etc

Besides Romanians and Albanians share 300 words. Some linguists believe that in fact Albanians are Dacians(ancient Romanians) who were not Romanized, and migrated south. Also they believe that Romanians are mainly Romans and not Daco-Romans.

Ex: Romanization in Dacia was so noticeable that Polish people that knew Romanians before they met Italians, associated Italians with Walachia (Romania),

Ex: Italy's name in Polish is "Wlochy" derived from Walachia (Romania) In other words Polish and Hungarians believed Italians are Romanians!

The Romans' influence in Dacia was so noticeable that some peoples coming from the east that knew Romanians before they met Italians associated both peoples in reversed order and identified Italians with Walachia, for example, Italy's name in Polish is "Wlochy" and in Hungarian is "Olasz[ország]", both terms related with Walachia. The fact is that only an irrelevant number of Roman soldiers (because Romans were very few, and most of their army was composed by men recruited from their conquered lands) settled in Romania and that ethnically modern Romanians have almost no relationship with Romans or Italians - and Italians themselves do not descend from true Romans except an exiguous number.

Well I also think that we romanians came from the south when the slavs came and setled in the balkans so you'r not right when sayng that we don't accept or discus different theories because it's more realistic. It's OK for me because it also shows that we are natives here in balkans, romanized natives (thracians or ilyrians)

that foreign words are not representative
for the word "oras" coming from varos is still a debate, for the other words you should read "A magyar szókészlet Román elemeinek története" by prof. Bakos Ferenc from the hungarian academy
and the word for cofee... hey man everybody took it from there!
the potato was introduce in europe in the 18th century, naturally we don't have a native word for them
and beer... man, are you talking serious?

i don't say that soldiers were literate in latin, but i don't think a celtiber spoke let's say gallic with an arab... there must have been a common language

and who cares if we come from southern balkans: that means we are invaders in your land, but you're invaders on dacic land, so let's ask zalmoxis who they preffer to control their land: you or us
if you are right, then we stole something from somethiefs... and a bad did to a bad person means smth good for everybody else

"coffee" is from kahve from Turkish. This is how us Hungarians say it too.
Ok the rest im alittle confused by. who are "we" and who are "they" in which you refer to?

Yeap mongolian herds, i'll give you some words (for now it's just about the human body):

Latin-Romanian-English

Frons-Frunte-Forehead
Caput-Cap-Head
Oculus-Ochi-Eye
Barba-Barba-Chin
Nasus-Nas-Nose
Palma-Palma-Palm
Pilus-Par-Hair
Humerus-Umar-Shoulder
Brachium-Brat-Arm
Manus-Mana-Hand
Digitus-Deget-Finger
Pes-Picior-Leg
Genu-Genunchi-Knee
Pulpa-Pulpa-Calf

Romanian is the closest Romance language to its mother tongue.

Thracian and Illirian were kind of relatives. Only Bozgors are Asians in this part of Europe.

Back to Bashkiria! NOW!

And take your ralatives Tziggeuners with you!

Minchiky, have you been talking so far to a REAL ITALIAN, I mean from Italy?

"Some linguists believe that in fact Albanians are Dacians(ancient Romanians) who were not Romanized, and migrated south. Also they believe that Romanians are mainly Romans and not Daco-Romans."

Yeah, Mongo-Bozgo "historians".

Yes, My close friend Is Italian and her whole family came from Italy, I know many older Italians from Italy.. not one of them have ever made ANY referrence to Romania and we have talked alot about Europe and history. Theres really not much of a connection there. With Albania there is, thats fact!

Sorry, I meant "liguists".
Yes, I know it doesn't matter: they're all bozgo-lians.

yea, you mean alot of things too bad noone else understands what you mean.

valah nu bozgor you are a pretty stupid rumanian gypsy .you don't know too much of anything . In the 80 yrs you have had part of our country , you've turned it into mess . But its still not as filthy as moldavia and wallachia . You dirty gypsies ruin everything you touch . Dirty stinkin vlach bastards get out of Transylvania and go back where you came from , your're stinkin up central Europe

You f*ckin gypsy goatherders get out of my house

Rome , Ha Ha Ha Dacians , Ha Ha Ha . Try Albania , You Buta little brainwashed Vlach Cigany . You have no history . 150 yr. old country
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Albania is good enough for me. The official history of our people living in a Romanian state starts in 1290. You're the one doing the propaganda here when you say that our history is only 150 years old. Perhaps the history of the modern state of Romania, but not our entire history.

Dez, Moldavia is not very filthy. Very few areas are, as you say, filthy. In fact, in Transylvania, many cities (Arad, Oradea, Mures) look crappy compared to Moldavian cities. Whether this is the fault of Bucharest can be argued. Well, it probably is.

if you deny the existence of the rumanian state in the middle ages("tara rumanesaca") i'll also deny the hungarians state
cause according to rumanian sources there wasn't any hungary before 1920... there was a "tara ungureasca", but according to your judgement that doesn't mean a hungarian state
in the late middle ages "tara ungureasca" become the name for transilvania because romanian considered "tara ungureasca" the land beyond the Carpati ruled by hungarian king, and when hungary dissapeared the only teritory where hungarians were still in power was Ardeal

Anita, si aici te-ai bagat ma, futu-ti gura ma-ti de cacat.

In loc sa faci front comun te bagi ca musca in curu' calului. Mai du-te ma-nc-o-data in pizda ma-tii.

Du-te ma si tu-n Baschiria cu anti-romanii tai, sau mai bine-n pizda ma-ti, iar si iar. Da' ramai acolo!

I'd recommend you to talk only about Asia as long as... (now you know what I mean). It's just an advice, for your own good. BTW, you sweet innocent bozgo-female, I only reapeat once, just to replace my question properly: did you ever talk to REAL ITALIANS, not immigrant Amer-Italians?

Fact is that Asian Moghiors will never accept their Mongolian racially routes or understand that Romanians have never budged.

Ce front comun, mai Bovis? Adica sa spun numai prostii intruna fara nici un sens? Tu numai insultezi. Ia dute tu in Bucuresti si stai dracului acolo!

No ia ma inainte de a incepe vreo 2 3 muiucuri!

Eu is ardelean get beget, ba borala! Tu insulti romanii aici ba labagiule. Ma futu-ti gura ma-tii, apuca-te ma de gramatica si de limba romana. Analfabetule! Scarbosenie!

Romanian sources " no Hungary before 1920 " Hungary ceased to exist because we were not in control . Ha Ha Ha what a bunch of bullsh*t . I swear Romanians are the most propaganda filled Bullsh*ters in the world . So I suppose Greece didn't exist either during there centuries of occupation under the ottomans . Just accept the fact simple and clear You were given all of Transylvania unjustly . Hungarians ( Szekely ) were not allowed to vote in 1920 . Same for Vajdasag and Felvedek ( Slovakia ). What is Romanian govn't afraid of today ,What would the Szekely Magyar vote for .Moldova got the chance to vote , What happened . They refused , and you claim they're Romanian . The Magyar vote would tear Romania apart .

Az Igazi Temesvari Ungaro

And to that valah nu Bozgor , you can go live with your sister in Bucuresti and you can both take craps in the street . Buta Cigany

Esti din Ardeal acuma, dar stai in Constanta?


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No ia ma inainte de a incepe vreo 2 3 muiucuri!

Eu is ardelean get beget, ba borala! Tu insulti romanii aici ba labagiule. Ma futu-ti gura ma-tii, apuca-te ma de gramatica si de limba romana. Analfabetule! Scarbosenie!
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Bou imputit, tu nici nu scrii corect pe romaneste. Dute ma piticule de aici. Te zbati ca o gaina fara cap. Locul tau e in Bucuresti.

bah jvedule, vezi ca faci acuze cam grave...
io nu's "valah nu bozgor" si nu imi asum ceea ce spune el
du-te'n mata la admin si'i zi sa verifice ip-urile daca nu ma crezi

Stau in Ardeal. Aici e casa mea. Bine? Na, mai ia inca un muiuc de aici!

Nu cumva dai lectii de istoric Sandra Brown? Mai apoi, nu cumva esti vreun imigrant aciuat prin Suedia? Muie ba labagiule!

"Romanian sources " no Hungary before 1920 " Hungary ceased to exist because we were not in control "
i said that in romanian source Ungaria is called "tara ungureasca", but because you don't accept "tara rumaneasca" as romanian state i can't accept either the existence of hungary

"So I suppose Greece didn't exist either during there centuries of occupation under the ottomans "
You're right, greece (an independent greek state) never existed before 1821, only if they claim the byzantine empire or macedonian empire as theirs ( but greece had a big slav population, now hellenized.. don't know if they can)

"ust accept the fact simple and clear You were given all of Transylvania unjustly "
we also get parts outside historic ardeal i'm proud of it... you see, a hungarian enclave in romania ("Tinutul secuiesc") wouldn't work

We'll see what the future holds Vlach , in all democrasies people have a choice . And you know what the choice of The Magyars in Erdely would be . Just as the people of Moldova chose . Your definition for existence is Independence is stupid , Magyarorszag existed from the yr. 1000 relitively the same size to 1920 and thats a FACT


Az igazi Ungaro

you know, magyars aren't majority in Ardeal
Molodva choose to be a separate country fearing a russian invasion again
you forgot the aprox 300 y when hungary didn't exist at all?

valah nu bozgor,

How many times do I have to say it! I NEVER HEARD ANYYYYY ITALIANS claim Romania as a "brother" . I know many from Italy! Ill go on a forum in Italy right now and ask and they will say NO! Would you like to be embarressed or what???

I specifly found an article stating that ROMANIANS and ITALIANS are NOT RELATED!!! ONLY the LANGUAGE IS!!!!!
I can find you MANY more that state the same!!!

And for your information as a MAGYAR I am proud to be of Asian descent if thats where we infact came from!!! We were around longer than any Roman empire! And I am proud to be related to Turks too if thats the case as well! What is there NOT to be proud of?

Don't bother to ask any Italian in America; specifically for two reasons:

1. The Italians in USA are mostly clueless about history; and

2. We're not related to Italians in bloodline just like Hungarians aren't related to Huns.

just like dacians aren't related to romanians?

just consider the time-gaps between the two so called predecessors and the two descendants...

Who ever told you that we are dacians?
We are pure romans!!!

" Romanians are mostly descendants of Romanised Dacians, while Vlacs, which lived in Vojvodina were both: Illyrians and Dacians by origin "


heres the source:
http
://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Demographic_history_of_Vojvodina

that is written by an amateur.. if i go write in wikipedia that seculi(szeklers) are a mix of klingonian dogs and australian sheeps would you believe me??

What were the 300 yrs Magyarorszag didn't exist 7000 - 1000 . What happened , we disappeared then reappeared lol since 1000 Magyarorszag has always existed .


Az Igazi Ungaro

Dacians or no Dacians, most scholars, including the Magyar ones, agree that we're Romanized Thracians. Ungaro believes we're Romanized Illyrians.

Whatever the case is, as former citizens of the Roman Empire and with a continuity for our identity, we can claim Spain, Italy, France, Turkey, etc.

However, we weren't strong, nor smart enough to even have a chance to grow strong and create us an empire, so we took what we could: Transylvania.

Nothing personal.

yea!

the "yes" was meant for the prior post..


but you can claim "Turkiye" too. how is that?

Roman Empire.

rofl

Minch... Romanians would claim everything if they could . I should know . They are really full of it . They think Romania is some type of empire . Anittas would claim Sweden if there were a few thousand Romanians living there . They think The Romans were decended from them .

Az Igazi Ungaro

jeez.

Ungaro, why are you upset? Did the heat in Temesvar got over your head? Come on!

Our country is a nice breast and your Targu Mures - the Szekely region in the middle of the country - is our nipple. Sometimes, we like to tease that nipple

i am talking about the period 1526-1867

Ba, Annitza, de ce nu vrei tu sa intelegi, asa, cu vorba buna, sa iei o muie mare si sa te duci cu lectiile tale de istorie fecala cu tot? De ce scrii ba analfabetule in numele romanilor?

De cand dai tu lectii de istorie despre romani? De ce accepti teoriile Roesleriene?

Mars in pizda ma-ti de pocitanie!

whats up Bozgar? i missed you!

Taci ma din gura. Tu esti un parsiv din ala care se da barbat mare prin a batea femei si copii; iar in schimb primesti pe cocoasa de la alti barbati. Stiu tipul tau.

Nu mai latra atata.

How many times do I have to say it! I NEVER HEARD ANYYYYY ITALIANS claim Romania as a "brother" . I know many from Italy! Ill go on a forum in Italy right now and ask and they will say NO! Would you like to be embarressed or what???
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Minchickie, the Italians that need to know, know
For example Italy is number one on Romania's import and export list with 20% of Romania's trade comming from and going to Italy!

I bet your Italian friends don't even know that Romania is not a Latin language.

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I specifly found an article stating that ROMANIANS and ITALIANS are NOT RELATED!!! ONLY the LANGUAGE IS!!!!!
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You mean genetics wise? Yes that is true: Romanians are predominantly Latinised Balkanians crossed with many many migratory population, while the Italians are a cross between what was left in Italy after the Romans left and a Germanic populations (such as the Longobards). But so what? I mean I relate more with people who I have similar opinions/ interests with rather than some members of my own family, so genetics is hardly important. Romanians could have come from deepest darkest Africa for all I know and care, but if they feel 'latin' and speak 'latin', then to all intense and purposes we are 'latin'.
Linguistically we are close to the Italians and culturally Romania does have a mixture of 'Latinate' and 'Balkanic' traits:
http://www.unilat.org/

You try to deny a Romanian his 'latinity' and he will go Beserk.

sebibaba:
Italy and France are G8 countries. I hope that answers your question.

So where was Magyarorszag Bewtween 1526 - 1867 did it disappear off the face of the earth . Believe me it did exist . And it depends on who's map you look at . And Erdely was an autonomus Magyar province .


Ungaro

Have a nice 4th of July Minch .


Ungaro

Transylvania always was and will be Romanian, European and Latin.


Minchikyke, you hit me!

Still, would you go back to Bashkiria with all the 7 tribes? Please...



Sincerely yours...

The Daco-Roman.

bozgor, you jerk... I challenge you to name for me five things that your people ever did for Erdely...

Hey bozgyoern, you may challange your bashkirian fellows, not me! Take your oblique-eyed civilized tribes to Altaii and stay there!

so you cannot?

How many times do I have to say it! I NEVER HEARD ANYYYYY ITALIANS claim Romania as a "brother" . I know many from Italy! Ill go on a forum in Italy right now and ask and they will say NO! Would you like to be embarressed or what???
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Why would they say it to you? I would never go to some other person and claim that I am a 'brother' with someone else. And anyway I have seen some Italians which claim that we're friends anyway. But I am really curious to see what the Italians in the forum think of Romanians anyway, so go and prove us wrong.

What are you trying to prove anyway? That we shouldn't be proud of the fact that we are 'latin' or the fact that we have no 'friends' in the French or Italians. I mean there's probably as much Asian blood in modern day Hungarians as there is Roman blood in modern day Romanians (i.e. below 5%), but you're still proud of the fact that you have Asian roots, no?

why shouldnt i be?

Hey Buta roman , yeah you valah you bozgor , There are more Romanians with oblique eyes than Magyar. You are a latin wannabe . Do a little more research into your tartar past you mongrel .


Temesvari Ungaro

Then why shouldn't we be proud that we are close to Italians and other 'latins'?

Anyway, THIS is what I claim:

Like it?


Best part of that map, of course, is that it wasn't done by or for a Romanian.

Relax Vaisva,
I was busting balls. Ive been doing alot of that here lately. You can say its "Mongols Vs. Romans" week. hehe.
Well whether in fact Romanians now A days are related to the original Latins are unknown when it comes down to the people themselves today. Each person to be specific. (genetically speaking of coarse). Alot of mixing has been going on and tribes intermix with others and so fourth. Cultures and language change as well.
Ideally the aspect of wanting to be associated with a certain group (tribe or empire) from traces of history are quite accepted throughout the world today and since the beginning of time. I and (MOST)Hungarians think of ourselves as descendants of the Huns which at one time there was no doubt about it that we were since what is Hungary today is where they settled. However, we also know people have ripped into Hungary since then and the same applies for every country throughout Europe, and its growing at a faster rate today than ever.
Does it really mater much anymore who we originated from? Probably not because noone is of anything "pure" nor maintained that way over a few generations let alone thousands of years.
Each country as it is basically a "tribe" itself.

by the way Vaisva, That is the funniest "Romanian" map I have ever seen! HAHAHAAHHAHAHHAHA

Ungaro you were saying years ago that Romanians come from Albania. Now you changed to Mongolia )))

Master build us a history and we will respect you for eternity.

Yeah I still believe they do , but I have seen many Romanians with oriental looking features . Maybe because their are so many different peoples in Romania , and I wanted to get a reaction out of that Bozgor dude .

Now, this is the behaviour peculiar to bozgorians :
If I tell a bozgor the truth that he is an Asian nomad, the right answer I get is: No, you are the Asian migrator.

If I tell a bozgor that he is resembling a Kyrgyz he will always reply: No, you are...


Bashkiria, Bashkiria!

Typical cigany mentality... Have you ever opened a book in your life little valah the bozgor . We've been stationary for over 1000 yrs . While your population is scattered throughout Europe . You've only had a country for 150 yrs . Look who's calling who a nomad , goatherder . I think you should follow your sheep back to Tirana your true capital . Take all of your Tartars , Gypsies ,Bulgarians , Turks with you , and get out of my country , you Albanian latin wannabe .

by the way Vaisva, That is the funniest "Romanian" map I have ever seen! HAHAHAAHHAHAHHAHA
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It comes from a Romance languages site where they called the land where Romance languages spoken as 'Romania'. I thought it was very nice of them

Here is another one. I beleive the Turks owe us something.

Yes Vaisva... Thats how it should be , Especially the piture of Hungary in light blue .

dobrogea is the only romanian land that was part of Romania, you should move the capital to constanta!

Ungaro, our first Romanian state was formed in 1290. We are natives of Balkans. We had the right to move anywhere we wanted.

Ma labagiule, cand te-ai mutat tu din Balcani?

Vaisva,
The Turks owe you???
you mean like Romania owes Hungary?

minchickie:
I would happily settle for those boundaries given above if I could. But in this world you just have to consolidate what you've got.

Anittas ... How many Vlachs were in Erdely in 1000 ?? Obviously the Magyar were the majority . You had your states we had ours . You migrated into ours

could anyone give an official census for hungary from 1000?
p.s. if there weren't any UN observers i can't accept it because it may be biased

you are turk because atilla is turk and cingiz too.yeea

BOZGOR = ROMN/de cartier (grupuri de etnie Român, mutai in Transilvania dup 1919).

Cuvântul "bozgor" se refer la o parte din cetenii de etnie Român din Transilvania, ceteni fr istorie i fr stmoi în acesast parte istoric a rii.

Un numr mare de ceteni de etnie Român au fost mutai din Moldova i Oltenia ctre marile orae ardelene (Arad, Cluj, Deva, Bistria, Oradea, Targu Mures, ...), pentru a schimba compoziia etnic a acestor inuturi. Mutrile au început dup 1919 dar s-au intensificat prin industrializarea României in timpul comunismului. Neavând nici strmoi, nici istorie printre ardeleni, aceti oameni sunt numii cu o expresie depreciativ bozgori.

Expresia este utilizat depreciativ referitor la un Român fr rdcini. Ca un contraatac la aceast expresie rasist i populaia Maghiar a Transilvaniei este poreclit bozgor (aici se refer la triburile Huno-Maghiare).

Oricare ar fi semnificaia, cuvântul (cu o intonaie naionalist) se folosete numai de masele needucate, fr cunotine istorice i îi are efectul negativ tocmai asupra celui care o folosete.

exemplu:
- Vezi Bela, "bozgorii" ne-au invadat cu blocurile lor de beton i ne-au distrus oraele frumoase.
- Dar Janos! Mi se pare c acetia au fost comunitii i nu "bozgorii". Ei au fost mutai fr voia lor...

BOZGOR = ROMANIAN (group of ethnic Romanians moved to Transylvania). The word "bozgor" is used on group of Romanians (Romanian nationality) in Transylvania.

Enormous number of Romanians (from Moldova and South-Romania) were moved unwillingly to Transylvania before and during the communist regime to change the ethnic composition of the population. Having no roots in this country, these people are called "bozgor" - meaning: without country.

The other meaning is used by the Romanians (Vlach) as a response. The native Hungarians are often called "bozgor".

Both meanings of "bozgor" are extremely racist and used only by the lower class with lack of education.

Most of the blocks (cockneydom) in old Hungarian cities were filled by Romanian population now called "bozgor". Examples:
Cluj /Kolozsvar, Klaussenburg/, Cart. Marasti, Manastur, ...
Targu Mures /Marosvasarhely/, Cart. Tudor V, ...
Hunedoara /Vajdahunyad/, Oradea /Nagyvarad/, other 13 cities and several villages.

There is some speculation that they lived as close neighbours at one time, and that certain cultural and language traits may have crossed over, but that's as close as it gets. Of course, since there is no written history, no one knows for sure.

I wonder if DNA can be used to find bloodline similarities?

GJ