It is a sad day for the whole Church of Christ, but as what Bro. Erano Manalo, Ka Erdy always quote "To live is Christ, to die is gain". Truly, he lived a life in Christ and spending all of it in the service of God. His memories will stay in our hearts until we meet the Lord.
I dont think INC presiding minister Manalo will come out to defend their false doctrines, they will just hide him forever in the closet to face humiliation.Tomorrow is their 94th founding anniversary preaching fraud, deceiving & misleading his members.
I dont think INC presiding minister Manalo will come out to defend their false doctrines, they will just hide him forever in the closet to face humiliation.Tomorrow is their 94th founding anniversary preaching fraud, deceiving & misleading his members.
INC executive minister and not presiding do not hiding,marami cyang mga ministrong tinuruan para sagutin ang mga napakababaw at paulit ulit na mga tanung nyo.e c ingkong elisa san nagtatago?db sa BATAS???makapagtago man cya sa batas ng tao,sa batas ng Dios hindi!!!he will condemmed come judment day.
yes we are all sinners but we are given a chance by god to reconcile with him thru jesuschrist his son. jesus did stablish his church for us to enterin order to be saved. are you in ? if you're not, how pitty are you. naghihintay ka lang na sunigin sa impyerno.
DID JESUS REALLY LIVE A
SINLESS LIFE?
By Sharon Houk
It seems impossible for any person to
live a sinless life, as even the smallest
wrongdoing would disqualify us from the
“sinless” category. We are correct in
concluding it is impossible for a person
to be sinless, unless that person was
also God.
Jesus claimed that he was equal to
God, that he gave life and resurrection
and that he had the authority to judge
and forgive sins. John the Baptist and
others witnessed his deity through
miracles. Jesus received worship due
only to God and referred to himself as
the “I AM.” He was tried, convicted,
and received the death penalty for
these claims—he was God. Jesus was
also fully man.
The Bible teaches that he grew in
maturity, he knew hunger, he knew
thirst, he needed sleep and, eventually
he died. He was a complete and perfect
man who had physical limitations like all
humans have. The difference, however,
is that he was born of a woman, but
supernaturally conceived of God. This
birth, the “virgin birth” allows Jesus to
be sinless. This is of great significance
in that it was the first man, Adam, who
sinned and caused all humanity to be
stained with the sinful nature through
the male seed. Without human male
participation in the conception, Jesus
was born sinless, or free of the sin of
Adam. But why was this necessary?
God made him who had no sin to be
sin for us, so that in him we might
become the righteousness of God.
Furthermore, “…Christ suffered for you,
leaving you an example, that you should
follow in his steps. ‘He committed no
sin and no deceit was found in his
mouth.’” Jesus ultimately suffered and
died a death he didn’t deserve.
He was the only sinless one qualified
to pay the sin debt that Adam
introduced into humanity which initially
caused the separation between man and
God. Because Jesus was sinless, he lived
a sinless life. Once we recognize that
we each carry the “sin debt” and that
Jesus died to pay the debt, our sins can
be taken away too.
references:
1. John 5:17-36, 8:58, 9:38, 10:30, 1:18
2. Matthew 1:18, Luke 1:35, 36.
3. Romans 5:12
4. 2 Corinthians 5:21
5. 1 Peter 2:21-23, emphasis added.
I also believe that Jesus Christ is sinless. What I am actually trying to point out is that the word 'ALL' or 'NO ONE' in both verses does not captures everyone but have exceptions.
And this actually counter your 'all' argument. As a matter of fact, sin is commited when one disobeys God's law and commands. Newlyborns are sinless because they cannot commit sins at their age. However, when they come to understanding good and evil, they can start committing sins.
Thus Christ declares:
Matthew 18:2-4
2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
its too obvious who Jesus is ,,,as God who came in to flesh..for you to say the newly born babies didnt sinned...but the fact bible say..in Roman 3:10 As it is written:there is none righteous,no,not one...as clear as crystal clear....now on the verse like you said in Matthew 18:1-5....its important for you to read the whole paragaph for you to understand what is saying...A deciples asked Jesus"Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven..and so and so forth...this verses didnt tell about "SIN" but about who is the greatest in the kingdom of God..as we knew that salvation is a gift from God,,and God gave those little kids a gift of being the greatest in the kingdom of God..as simple as that...
So i came out now to my conclusion;;since you said that Jesus is sinless what else for me to prove who Jesus is..who was God....
It seems impossible for any person to
live a sinless life, as even the smallest
wrongdoing would disqualify us from the
“sinless” category. We are correct in
concluding it is impossible for a person
to be sinless, unless that person was
also God.
Jesus claimed that he was equal to
God, that he gave life and resurrection
and that he had the authority to judge
and forgive sins. John the Baptist and
others witnessed his deity through
miracles. Jesus received worship due
only to God and referred to himself as
the “I AM.” He was tried, convicted,
and received the death penalty for
these claims—he was God. Jesus was
also fully man.
The Bible teaches that he grew in
maturity, he knew hunger, he knew
thirst, he needed sleep and, eventually
he died. He was a complete and perfect
man who had physical limitations like all
humans have. The difference, however,
is that he was born of a woman, but
supernaturally conceived of God. This
birth, the “virgin birth” allows Jesus to
be sinless. This is of great significance
in that it was the first man, Adam, who
sinned and caused all humanity to be
stained with the sinful nature through
the male seed. Without human male
participation in the conception, Jesus
was born sinless, or free of the sin of
Adam. But why was this necessary?
God made him who had no sin to be
sin for us, so that in him we might
become the righteousness of God.
Furthermore, “…Christ suffered for you,
leaving you an example, that you should
follow in his steps. ‘He committed no
sin and no deceit was found in his
mouth.’” Jesus ultimately suffered and
died a death he didn’t deserve.
He was the only sinless one qualified
to pay the sin debt that Adam
introduced into humanity which initially
caused the separation between man and
God. Because Jesus was sinless, he lived
a sinless life. Once we recognize that
we each carry the “sin debt” and that
Jesus died to pay the debt, our sins can
be taken away too.
references:
1. John 5:17-36, 8:58, 9:38, 10:30, 1:18
2. Matthew 1:18, Luke 1:35, 36.
3. Romans 5:12
4. 2 Corinthians 5:21
5. 1 Peter 2:21-23, emphasis added.
Why would the bible need to say that Jesus is sinless if he is God? Why would Paul needed to explain that Jesus is sinless if he is God?
If people during their time believe that Jesus is God...it is not anymore necessary to say that he is sinless. The truth is that none of the Apostles ever taught that Jesus is God, nor any Christian during their time ever thought that Jesus is God.
In order to sin, one must go against God's will but in order to burn, there is only one
July 19 2008, 6:01 PM
To sin one must perform an action that goes against God's will and desire. That is the definition of sin. An infant and baby cannot do this because until they can knowlingly make a choice of action, they cannot sin.
However, all humans are born with a sin nature so due to the fact that they are of the flesh, their flesh is tained of sin, but they have not sinned.
I personally believe that all babies who are murdered in the womb or die as an infant are not doomed to hell but eternity in heaven. I believe this because God would not create humans in order for them to have no chance to accept salvation.
The only sin that can send someone to hell is the sin of not accepting Jesus Christ as their God and Savior. If a baby is murdered in the womb or as an infant and cannot make a choice to accept Jesus Christ then they are exempted. I believe God gives everyone a chance in their life to accept the free gift of salvation.
bec. of what RS says if you dont accept Jesus Christ as their God and Savior they will go to hell....to the fact that INCM doctrines believes that Jesus Christ is a man.
RS says:
The only sin that can send someone to hell is the sin of not accepting Jesus Christ as their God and Savior.
If one does not accept the claims of Jesus Christ, that he is God, that person will die in their sins. This is why I continue posting here.
John 8:21
21 Once more Jesus said to them, "I am going away, and you will look for me, and you will die in your sin. Where I go, you cannot come." This made the Jews ask, "Will he kill himself? Is that why he says, 'Where I go, you cannot come'?" But he continued, "You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins."
John 10:28-30
28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. 30I and the Father are one."
John 10:33
33"We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."
John 5:16-23
“So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jews persecuted him. 17 Jesus said to them, "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working." 18 For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself EQUAL with God.
1 John 4:1-3
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.
2 Peter 2:1-3
“But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.”
2 Corinthians 11:3-4
“But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.”
Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!
It was just those Jews, who misunderstood him, thinking he claimed that. So he had to correct them in chapter 10 of John, pointing out that all who get God's word are gods. So in that sense he claimed to be a god, but did not claim to be God. He was careful not to say if he is God or not.
I just want to clarify something pls. What do you mean by this statement?
"However, all humans are born with a sin nature so due to the fact that they are of the flesh,"
1. Do you believe in the concept of "original sin", that all mankind inherited the sin of our first parents?
2. Do you think that Romans 5:12 support this doctrine?
3. Are all INC members, united in their belief pertaining to the said issue?
Please clarify. Thanks in advance for your replies, friend/s
will u analize ur question?bec d answr is already der!
March 24 2009, 8:31 PM
in d verses u quoted was true,all men are sinner,and bec. d babies are also belong to men,ur jumping to conclusion dat d baby should also belong to sinner to prove dat d INC teaching is wrong!in d verses u quoted d word ALL refering to as sinner is d ALL commiting sins or vices,therefore if anyone does not commiting sin he does not belong to the word ALL.bec d bible clealy define SIN is transgretion or breaking d law,...1john 3:4kjv.babies dont have capable to break the d law,therefore they are not belong to the word ALL,i hope u understand..even my grammar is embarassing..tnx
will u analize ur question?bec d answr is already der!
March 24 2009, 8:32 PM
in d verses u quoted was true,all men are sinner,and bec. d babies are also belong to men,ur jumping to conclusion dat d baby should also belong to sinner to prove dat d INC teaching is wrong!in d verses u quoted d word ALL refering to as sinner is d ALL commiting sins or vices,therefore if anyone does not commiting sin he does not belong to the word ALL.bec d bible clealy define SIN is transgretion or breaking d law,...1john 3:4kjv.babies dont have capable to break the d law,therefore they are not belong to the word ALL,i hope u understand..even my grammar is embarassing..tnx
Yes, babies sin too. Just because they don't walk around, does not mean they don't sin. They have sinful selfish thoughts. Look at Ps. 58:3, Is. 48:8, sin starts already from the womb.