It is a sad day for the whole Church of Christ, but as what Bro. Erano Manalo, Ka Erdy always quote "To live is Christ, to die is gain". Truly, he lived a life in Christ and spending all of it in the service of God. His memories will stay in our hearts until we meet the Lord.
1 Tim 3:16 without controversy... GOD manifest in the FLESH. How religious groups understand this who is true?
all religious groups: preach deuteronomy 6:4 "hear o israel the Lord our God is ONE Lord"
religious groups are divided by how many GOD they believe in.
trinitarians believes: Father-GOD, Son-GOD(Jesus), Holy Spirit-GOD-
3 GODS=1 GOD
One God, Jesus is not God ONLY Man believes: one God father (Lord), Jesus Man (not God but can call Lord)
2 LORDS
oneness: One God One Lord, JESUS the revealed name of God in the old testament is both God (100% father in spirit) and Man (100% in the flesh)
How they preach about studying the word of God.
trinitarians: its full of mystery only the spiritually filled and in authority can understand the word of God
Some evangelicals trinitarians: anyone can understand the bible with prayers
One God, Jesus is not God ONLY Man believes. no one can understand the word of God only the authorized preachers, the word of God is hidden in mystery to a regular person.
oneness: anyone can understand the bible with prayers.
How they preach John 3:16 Did God sent someone else or he came in the flesh?
trinitarians: sent someone else. God the Son-Jesus real son of God
One God, Jesus is not God ONLY Man: sent someone else. Jesus-only man and son of God
oneness: he came in the flesh. Son- through his birth. He is both Son of Man(flesh) and Son of God (spirit)
Can God Manifest himself in the flesh:
trinitarians: impossible
One God, Jesus is not God ONLY Man believes: impossible
oneness: possible, all things are possible with God
How they preach 1 tim 3:16
trinitarians: ?
One God, Jesus is not God ONLY Man believes: ? do not preach this verse
oneness: they preach it
Solution: God, who is the only Saviour, is a Spirit, He is not a man, and does not exist as flesh, blood and bones.
Since the shedding of blood is required for the remission of sins for salvation, God partook of flesh, blood and bones, and became a man so He could shed his blood for the remission of man's sins. 2 Cor. 5:19: is this true?
1 hour ago - 4 days left to answer.
John 3:16 clearly has two persons: 1. God, who sends, 2. His Son, who is sent. Whether his Son is God himself, the Bible does not make clear, because we are not supposed to know. But I think if the Son is God, he would be another person, not the Father, who is the one who sends him.
1 Tim. 3:16 has textual variants. There is evidence that some scribe misunderstood the Greek word hos 'who' as abbreviation of Theos 'God', so he wrote Theos. Therefore I think the textual variants with hos are older, and with Theos, are in error. The Bible is careful not to tell us if Jesus is God or not. So verse 16 does not have God.
At the end you are asking us if 2 Cor. 5:19 is true. My answer is yes, it is true. Note that the verse distinguishes between 2 persons, God and Christ. So I disagree with Oneness Pentecostals that the Father is Christ. There are two persons here, one God the Father, and the other Christ, who might be another person of the Godhead, we cannot know. We just cannot know everything about Christ, see Luke 10:22. And likewise we cannot know everything about God, how many persons he is, one, two, three or more than three.
For the Son of Man, was sent to serve and not to be served.
till now after 2000 yrs, alot of christian does not know that Jesus is God.
"He was in the world: and the world was made by him: and the world knew him not."
In John 1:1, it can be translated "the word was a god".
April 3 2009, 11:29 PM
That is because in that part, the word theos has no article. So it can be translated "a god". And it is not very clear in John 1 that the Word (Logos) is Jesus himself. Some denominations say it is the plan of salvation. That could make a lot of sense.
Then you say the world was made by him, but the preposition in Greek is dia, meaning normally 'through'. So it could be translated in verse 3 "through him" or "through it". But we are not supposed to know if the Logos is Jesus or the plan of salvation, that is why it is ambiguous in John 1. But I think when Jesus comes back, he will explain to us all the difficult Bible passages, and we will know.
Do you believe that the Word was God? Give me straight answer, Yes or No?
Do you believe that the Word in John 1 is Jesus? Give me straight answer, Yes or No?
Pls don't answer if you can't give straight YES or NO. I'm not asking for your IF and BUT or whatever.
Tom:
My answer to both questions is that we are not supposed to know. That is why John 1 was written ambiguously the way it was written. And that is why some verses seem to say Jesus preexisted, while other verses seem to say he did not preexist. The reason is we can't understand those verses, so we would not be proud thinking we know everything about Jesus. So if you think you know the answers to those questions, when you are resurrected, you will repent of that pride, and Jesus will explain those difficult verses to you and to all of us. And all the difficult verses.
No Tom, it CANNOT. The most important reason, "a" god would mean there is more
September 14 2009, 8:59 PM
than one God. If that were the case, you would have to burn the OT and the NT because both are teaching there is only ONE God...not a god and another god. This is the MOST important reason why saying it could mean "a god" is not only wrong, it is devilish.
The second reason is Greek grammar. I explained that somewhere else in more detail. Also, the original Greek is even more clear, it says : "God was the Word." A god was the word???? Comon.
Well, there is only one God, with capital G, meaning almighy God, but there are
September 17 2009, 3:40 AM
many gods. Jesus made it clear to us in John 10:34-35. He quoted from Psalms "You are gods", and he explained that those who get the word of God are gods. That means we Christians are gods. Another example is Ex. 7:1, where God himself says to Moses "I have made you a god to Pharaoh". So Moses too was a god. Of course we are not some immortal supernatural gods, but we are gods because we have the word of God. There is also an evil God, Satan is called god of this world in 2 Cor. 4:4. So there are many gods, but only one almighty God. So in that sense there is only one God.
In John 1:1 it is grammatically good to translate it "and the Word was a god". You say Greek says God was word, but you have to understand that Greek has a different word order than English. In English the subject has to precede the predicate, but in Greek it can follow. And here theos has no article, so it is good to translate it 'a god'. But we cannot know for sure what was meant, because we are not supposed to know.
well its crystal clear that there is only one Lord and the....
September 17 2009, 8:04 PM
Lord himself is God Himself theres no others....Deut 4:39....and its was Jesus was called more than a hundred times in the new testament as Lord and he was even called Christ the Lord,,,Lord Jesus Christ Phil. 3:20..
and on Luke 2:11 For there is born to you this day in the city of david a Savior,who is Christ the LORD!
we are talking here about Lord Jesus christ whom was called Lord and Savior!.and which God Himself from the old testaments......your response is so incorrect....
At least you admit there is only one God. Now tell me, if there was another God that
September 18 2009, 8:57 PM
became flesh, was that the god Satan?
Please read this again: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
You're saying: "..the word was with God, and the Word was a God." You're saying there was another God with God. But God tells us, He is the only God. So, you're wiser than God, you see another God where God says there is no other?
About the Greek grammar. You're mistaken as well: http://www.wcg.org/lit/god/wordwasgod.htm
You should start believing Jesus, he said in John 10:35 there are gods.
September 19 2009, 4:14 AM
So if you don't believe Ps. 82, you should at least believe our savior Jesus. And he gave that explanation when they accused him of making himself God. So he was implying he is one of the gods. But he never said he is God. We are not supposed to know if he is God.