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snipers ww2

June 8 2005 at 7:34 PM
 

what did the canadians use for sniper rifles?

 
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"Without Warning"

June 8 2005, 7:56 PM 

A quick look at the Service Publications website will reveal a great book on Canadian Sniping equipment entitled "Without Warning".

 
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Chris Furlotte

Cdn Snipers.

June 8 2005, 9:49 PM 

Ted, I've got the book and it's quite extensive with the amount of research has gone into it and worth every penny! If you need a copy I can get one for you. (The pictures alone are worth it!!)

The close up- on Rifles both bolt action/semi-auto and bino's (Binoculars) are in here as well and I would "highly reccomend" it for your library for refence material.

Pro Patria (dude)

Chris

PS. Never Pass A Fault

 
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Hey, Furlotte

June 9 2005, 1:59 PM 

Hey, are you the same Furlotte who was with us in 1 and 2RCR over in Germany in the '60s?

 
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Michael Dorosh

Amazing Stories

June 9 2005, 2:42 PM 

I suspect they're raised the recruiting age since then, if that is the case...Furlotte will tell you there is no shame in wearing rubber pants at that age either. Right, Alice?

 
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Chris Furlotte

Don't get "smart" now Michael..........

June 9 2005, 9:25 PM 

That's not like you! "lmao"

 
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Ferlotte

June 9 2005, 3:21 PM 

I don't think it is him but it might be his dad............Chris is on 38

 
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Chris Furlotte

Furlotte,Firlotte,Ferlatte....??

June 9 2005, 9:23 PM 

Regardless of the spelling we're part of the Big Maritimer family!

Where there is a Canadian Army....you'll no doubt find a Ferlatte,Firlotte,Furlotte


 
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Chris Furlotte

That could very well be me dear ole "Dad"!!!!!

June 9 2005, 9:17 PM 

Alex, my father joined up in 1964 (1 Battalion RCR)in London,Ontario. The in 1965 he was transfered to Soest,Germany (Fort York)from then till late 1969! He always told me with pride that it was the best times of his life and had many good buddies over there and the "Royals" were true blue- Ohhh maybe he meant Labatts Blue "lol"

BTW: I was born in Soest,Germany.

 
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Chris Furlotte

Yo Itenson!

June 9 2005, 9:42 PM 

Hey Alex, Do you remember W.O.II (Ret'd) Sargent-Major Steve Horan...? He was my dad's Sgt Maj, in Soest,Germany in 1965. 4th Canadian Mechanized Brigade there....the Brit's used call it the "Light Division". (as in over strength in numbers)part of B.O.A.R., (British Army on the Rhine)

Anyways Steve is 80 years old now. and my dad remember him well. Just thought to mention that bit, see if this jog's any memories....."

 
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JP Morgan

Steve Horan

June 10 2005, 11:15 AM 

The epitomy of a proud yet very humble and honest man. I know him well, and last spent an afternoon with him at Christmas. A very close friend of the family, Steve was my 'Uncle Steve' when I was a kid, and was one of the reasons why I joined the military (and the RCR!). He loves to tell funny stories, and my son was enthralled by Steve's recollections of me when I was a boy. He retired from the Army in 1972, and joined External Affairs, travelling the world. When I was stationed in Germany with 3RCR (88-92), he was in Brussels Belgium, and we used to see him quite often. I was unable to make it for Bam's funeral, but one of the most proud and touching points for Steve was the number of 'Royals' who travelled long distances to attend, or sent condolences.

Did you know that he was in the North Shore Regt at Normandy? Or that he was wounded and captured near Carpiquet? Spent the rest of the war in a POW camp near Leipzig (his "working holiday courtesy of the 3rd Reich", according to Steve!), yet he loves Germany second only to Canada. He was in the Jump Coy of 1RCR back in the MSF days, and proudly wears his RCR cap badge on a maroon beret alonf with his "fruit salad" (medals!) whenever he gets the opportunity to participate in an "Alte Kampfer" event. He still has the huge handlebar moustashe of a Sgt-Maj, too.

Yes, he's 80-ish now, but he's as sharp as when he was 65. On his 65th birthday, he was running for Brussels' subway trains! I can only hope to be that spry as I age.

 
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Chris Furlotte

W.O.II Horan.

June 10 2005, 1:50 PM 

Steve was a great soldier and a proffesional to the core!! My dad has a lot of respect for him and he had a heart of gold, when pay parade was late or my dad was short for cash Steve gave my dad some dough ($$) to hold him over till next time....he'd tell my dad ya can pay me later Furlotte!

Steve also loved his cigars too and my dad told me some real humourous stories of when he was part of 9 platoon C Coy (Charlie Company) and Steve would look after his men before himself and was firm but fair and a great leader of men.(Oh ya, my dad remember his rather large moustache!!

My dad had wanted to wish him a happy 80th birthday on Feb 6th on 2005. It was held at The Royal Canadian Legion Branch 192 Carleton Place,ON.

I have a picture of him from the Ottawa Citizen and "yes' he does look like a real soldier with Jump wings and fruit salad (medal galore).

Oddly enough my grandfather was was also in the North Shore Regiment and was attached to C.M.H.Q's in London,England from 1941-45. He was seconded to the RCE's (1 Canadian Pioneer Company) perhaps Steve and him knew one another/?

Anyways thanks for sharing the story about Steve.

Pro Patria.

Chris Furlotte and my Dad sends his regards to his Old Sgt Maj.

 
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JP Morgan

NS Horan

June 14 2005, 9:26 PM 

Steve often told me the story of the Newfie cook he had in his company who, when faced with turning roast beef into steaks for a BBQ and told by CSM Horan to prepare for a fe more mouths, replied with, "By jaysus Sar'nt Majer bye, I'm slicin' dem so tin now, dey only got one side".

I've always been amazed by Steve's positive and jovial outlook on life, so I wasn't surprised when I came across his comments in the opening paragraph here:
http://www.ubyssey.bc.ca/20041110/article.shtml?%3C!--2--%3Efeatures/dday.html

I missed the Sgt-Maj's birthday celebrations at the CP Legion, but I'd visited with him this past Christmas, which was closer to his actual birthday (26 Dec).

Funny how we permanently refer to good Sgt-Maj's as just that! I jokingly address Steve as 'Sgt-Maj', and while I've not seen MWO(Ret'd) Terry Seaver in afew years, I still consider him to be the epitomy of the Sgt-Maj during my time in the RCR, and always addressed him as such. He was another professional soldier, who never asked a subordinate to do anything that he wasn't prepared to do himself, or had already done.

1RCR C Coy... who's got stories of when 'Charlie' Coy changed to 'Charles' Coy?

Pro Patria

Cheers,
JP

 
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Chris Furlotte

C' Coy!?

June 15 2005, 8:47 PM 

Hey JP, thanks for that little story on Steve Horan, I'll have to show that one with ma Dad!

Dad told me a few story's about Steve and his love of Cigars

I'll ask Dad any info regarding the change over from Charlie Company to Charles Company...I think that might have happend some where in the 1980's!?

My dad served with the Regiment from 1964-78.(He might know?)

Pro Patria.

Chris.

 
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WO2 NS Horan (Ret'd) - RIP

November 4 2008, 7:33 PM 

http://www.legacy.com/CAN-OTTAWA/Obituaries.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonID=119566552

Sad to say that I hadn't visited him in awhile, and my planned visit with him this Christmas is too late. Also very regretful is that I just saw this now, and missed his funeral.

'Rest, Stand Clear. End of mission, Good shooting' Sgt-Maj. I'm forever grateful for the inspiration years ago... and since.

 
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Christopher Furlotte

Pro Patria to W.O.II Horan CD.

November 5 2008, 7:10 PM 

JP Morgan, Thanks for posting the obiturary on W.O.II Steve Horan CD.


My dad and I weren't even aware of his passing!? Dad would have liked very much to have met him but family,work get in the way-life etc,.


Dad was truely sad to hear about this!


Pro Patria.


Chris Furlotte

 
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Re: Charles Company

November 10 2008, 8:54 AM 

Hi Chris;

The custom of referring to "C" Company as "Charles" Company in the 1st Battalion dates back to operations in the Korean War (RSO's for The RCR - Chapter 1, Section 2-Official Designation of Components, Article 109(2)).

Cheers

Mark

 
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Books

June 9 2005, 8:27 PM 

This sounds like you are 'pimping' books again.

 
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Chris Furlotte

Furlotte the Militaria "John" as far as Pimping books...

June 9 2005, 9:20 PM 

goes......

 
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Chris Furlotte

Sniper Training.

June 10 2005, 6:50 AM 

Over in Germany they had a school for sniper training and all of N.A.T.O. had a Competion for it- "Prix Leclerc Cup". My dads mugs is from 1968.

anybody else who attended this school?

 
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Furlotte

June 10 2005, 2:19 PM 

Hey, Chris - sure enough, it must have been your father! BTW was your Dad born in England by any chance? And yes, I do remember the Sergeant Major!

 
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Furlotte

June 10 2005, 2:42 PM 

Hey, Chris, if it tells you anything, my call sign was "Three-Three" - your dad was in my platoon and Jack Vance (MGEN) was the company commander. If you can confirm that your father was born in England, which may be the case since your grandfather was stationed there during the war, do I have another story for you!

 
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Snipers' School & Sniper's Enfield

June 10 2005, 3:36 PM 

There was a snipers' school in Germany, but the Prix LeClerc, named after the French General, although a small arms competition, was not, to the best of my recollection, specifically a snipers' competition.

And while on the subject of snipers, let me say that one of the weapons that truly made a lasting impression on me as a young soldier was a scoped, sniper's Lee Enfield that was on display in either the PPCLI museum or the RCR museum. (you'll have to forgive forty-five years of memory lapse here since I served both with one and "the other English-speaking regiment.") This particular Enfield had several notches carved into the shoulder stock from "kills" during WWII and Korea.

Is that Enfield still on display in one of the museums?

 
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Chris Furlotte

Prix LeClerc Competation

June 11 2005, 9:36 AM 

Alex, would you've been a Lt, back then as my dad does recall!? Also my dad told me yes it was a "all arms" competion event!

 
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Doug Townend

The NATO Prix Leclerc Competition was . . .

June 11 2005, 2:45 PM 

. . . a shooting competition among the infantry units in NATO in the late 1950s and early 1960s.
In 1962, 1st Batallion the Cdn Guards won the competition, the only Canadian unit ever to do so. The Cdn Brigade in West Germany at the time was over the top ecstatic about the win.

DT.

 
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Chris Furlotte

A Mari Usque Ad Mare-CDN GDS

June 11 2005, 3:10 PM 

Interesting as my late father-in-law was a Guardsman 1 Battalion Cdn Gds. and was in Ottawa in 1969 when the Canadian Guards laid up their Regimental colours at Christ Church Cathedral!

CF.

 
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1959 NATO LeClerc competition.

May 4 2012, 6:00 PM 

The event was won by the USA represented by the 29th Infantry Batallion that was stationed in Munich Germany. I was a BAR shooter.

 
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Chris Furlotte

Jack Vance!

June 11 2005, 11:47 AM 

Hey Alex,
My dad remembers Jack Vance (MGEN) well!
He's a short little guy but "tough"!! Dad told me he'd come ta the bar in Wolseley Barracks Officers Mess where my dad worked and he'd give my dad a cuff around the ear and say "puttin' up Furlotte" (kiddingly) as Jack knew my dad was a scraper!! Jack was "good people" in my dads books!!


 
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Chris Furlotte

Yes he was!

June 11 2005, 9:31 AM 

N/T

 
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He Was, Eh?

June 11 2005, 1:56 PM 

Born in England, was he? Then I'm right about right "Furlotte".

Yes, Chris, I was a young LT back then. The last time I saw your father was around '69 or '70 in the Officers' Mess in Wolseley Barracks during one of my visits back home from the States. To my surprise, "Furlotte" was the bartender behind the bar! If my memory serves me, he was also my batman at one time.

Ask him whether he remembers my silver Jag XKE roadster, and in particular, ask him whether he remembers me running back and forth to the British Embassy in Bonn, ( at around 130-140 mph) in a desperate attempt to obtain a British passport for him within an extremely tight deadline for your parents' wedding ceremony in Soest! Yes, a British passport for a Canadian soldier!

Email me and I'll give you the details rather than post them here.

Say "hi" to him for me, please.

 
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Chris Furlotte

Thanks..Alex!!!

June 11 2005, 2:31 PM 

Alex, my dad was "smiling" when I am telling about about our conversations and "yes" both he and I laughed about a Canadian soldier waiting for his "British Passport" eh!? "lol"

How was your "stint" in the States btw!? He also loved your car!!!

Alex, I'll e-mail you off line.

Cheers
Chris Furlotte

Son of a "Royal" (Royal Canadian Regiment)

Pro Patria

 
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Ah, the little pleasures in life.

June 11 2005, 8:04 PM 

Got your E, Chris, and thanks - thanks for bringing a bit of pleasure into the life of an old soldier. What's your dad doing these days? And where are you? I get up to Toronto once or twice a year to see family - it'd be nice to have a drink with Tony and chat about old times.

Airborne, and Pro Patria, eh ... that's Canuck speak, y'all.

 
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Chris Furlotte

We'll be in touch soon-"three Three"

June 12 2005, 2:59 AM 

Talk to ya's soon!!

Chris

 
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