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Winnepeg Grenadiers in the Battle of Hong Kong, WO2 Osborn

July 12 2011 at 9:24 PM
 

This is somewhat off-topic, but Michael D. suggested I post here to pick the brains of our most enlightened readership.

I'm co-running a Combat Commander: Pacific (http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/28181/combat-commander-pacific ) tournament in Toronto in September, and we'd like to create a special tournament scenario based on the actions of 'A' Company, Winnipeg Grenadiers on the morning/early afternoon of 19 Dec 1941, 1000-1330h, specifically the withdrawal action from Mount Butler and Jardine's Lookout, in which WO2 Osborn earned his VC.

From general research and reading, I believe I have a good sense of what to use for force mix and objectives, and by extrapolation from narratives here...

http://www.hkvca.ca/historical/Honours/osborn.htm

...I believe I also have a good sense of where the action occurred in terms of terrain and location.

However, I know that readers here have an extensive collection of Canadian war history information and may have additional insight.

Any assistance you could render in this regard would be much appreciated. Of special interest are maps which provide detail of the axis of advance at a greater level of detail found in this reproduction from the official C.P. Stacey history:

[linked image]

I have referenced Google Earth and Google and Bing Maps to get a better sense of geography as well, but better detail (especially the exact location of the last stand of the remnants of Company 'A') remain elusive. I have spoken to natives of Hong Kong who work in my office who were helpful in reducing the possible area, but where exactly this desperate fight occurred relative to Jardine's Lookout and the nearby two peaks of Mount Butler is not clear from the narratives (though reasonable guesses may be made, I'm hoping to have it more exact if at all possible). It's interesting to note that a small asterisked note at the bottom of page 481 in the Volume I of the Official History also notes the uncertainty of which hilltop 'A' Company was actually fighting for.

A brief overview of the strategic, operational and tactical aspects of this small fight can be found in Chapter XIV of Volume I of the Official History, with the specifics on page 480-481.

Additional information, for those unfamiliar with the general background, or not in possession of the Official History, can also be found here:

http://www.wwii.ca/content-42/world-war-ii/the-battle-of-hong-kong/




 
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Alex Itenson

Battle for Hong Kong

July 13 2011, 7:31 AM 

May I suggest the following:

Not the Slightest Chance, the Defence of Hong Kong, 1941 by Tony Banham

The Battle for Hong Kong 1941 - 1945 Hostage to Fortune by Oliver Lindsay

Second to None, the Story of the Hong Kong Volunteers by Phillip Bruce

We Shall Suffer There - Hong Kong's Defenders Imprisoned 1942-1945 by Tony Banham

 
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J.Garnier

Hong Kong...

July 13 2011, 7:55 AM 

Hi Christopher, you might try this website.I know that the author has great knowledge of the battle and everything related to it and could really help you.
Jo
http://www.hongkongwardiary.com/hkwdhome.html

 
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J.Garnier

Re: Hong Kong...

July 13 2011, 8:12 AM 

......and you could maybe use this.

http://www.laite.hkvca.ca/index.htm

 
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Thanks!

July 13 2011, 10:26 AM 

Thanks for the references, gentlemen. Mr. Gardiner's websites have put me on the path of finding out more information.

In particular I found this photo which actually documents the site where WO2 Osborn fell:

[linked image]

I have written the site's author and attached a map to see if he can mark on it where he took the picture.

I will write here again once I have additional information; I will also look into the recommended books.


 
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Follow up - lots of information found

July 15 2011, 8:53 AM 

This is just a note to say that Tony Banham, author of the book "Not the Slightest Chance: The Defence of Hong Kong 1941" corresponded with me over a few e-mails and provided excellent information on this action, including the interesting insight that the archaeological evidence seems to support the supposition that the Grenadiers never actually re-captured Mt. Butler and the majority of the fighting actually occurred around and southeast of Jardine's Lookout.

Thank you all once again for the recommendations. If anyone needs additional information on this particular action, please don't hesitate to ask - the e-mails that Mr. Banham send contained a number of details which are quite interested but probably not of general interest.

 
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Michael Dorosh

Interesting

July 15 2011, 10:33 AM 

Thanks for posting the follow-up and offering to share the info.

 
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