Any decision yet?

The OWHA wants to have another meeting with all parties......on May 14th.....but I doubt that it will take place.

They have heard the evidence is it not time for the OWHA to rule?

My whole issue with all of this is that the OWHA fails to follow their own rules, but fully expect that everyone else will.

The fact that a ruling was delayed by the OWHA in the first place with a date given by the OWHA when they would render their decision and that date has passed by two weeks is laughable......only I am not laughing.




Play hard, play fair


The Diceman

Why won't the meeting take place Dice???

Why should it take place again?





Play hard, play fair


The Diceman

I don't know you seem to getting fed information from someone at DW so I figured you would have all the facts. There must be a reason why they want to have another meeting.

Let me get this straight the OWHA has requested another meeting and you are saying it wont happen? Why?

Just because you or someone else doesn't agree does not make it wrong. Perhaps you are missing facts.

Stop making blanket statements when you don't even know what you are talking about.

Let me see here.....

I told you before where I got the information and it was not DW.....and again it is not DW.

Now as for facts....well the meeting may take place but not all will attend....the OWHA already knows this.

Now as far as not knowing what I am taking about.....well in this case you are wrong. The OWHA stated that they will rule on April the 27 and then tried to host a meeting on May 2....and now again on May 14.

Can you tell me what part of my Blanket Statement is not Factual?



Play hard, play fair


The Diceman

So you are saying that it is not someone from DW who is feeding you all the updates correct? I doubt based on your statement it is someone from anywhere else.

You are withholding information that is why I have concerns and why I suggest you not use blanket statements without revealing all of the facts.

These are the facts you are with holding:

1.) In response to the OWHA request to reconvene the hearing on May 2nd DWGHA president responded on April 28th stating that she was unavailable due to a prior commitment.

2.) On May 7th the hearing chair sent an email out saying a new date of May 14th has been set to reconvene the hearing.

3.) On May 11th DWGHA president replied to email and now says that DW will not be attending any further hearing in respect to this matter.

Unless you have all the information and are willing to present all of it do not write bits and pieces. While I would agree that the OWHA has not handled this process as well as one would hope DWGHA president sure has not helped. If this is the way she felt then why didn't she respond on April 28th instead waiting until May 11th.

It is your opinion that they should not reconvene but it is just that YOUR OPINION. Does not make it right or wrong but just an opinion. On the other hand other opinions exist.

I have stayed out of this mess long enough!!

Why in the hell should the DW president or anyone else have to attend another meeting on this issue?? The facts were presented as far as I know...weren't they?? If there is any evidence that was left out or was not presented..too bloody bad!! Deal with the issue...listen to the parties and determine a course of action!! End of story!!

Is the OW going to pay gas money for all parties to attend "another" meeting?? I highly doubt it..that money was spent on lunch!!

there is a second Tamperer.. on the grassy knoll..behind the buffet table.. Can anyone imagine a business run by the OW... Alan Eagleson or Bruce McNall where are you now there are jobs on Spectrum way.

getting a lawyer involved is never a good idea. this lawyer is making a fool of the owha and its process. The intimidation tactics used by the Lawyer only serve to further tarnish the image of the OWHA. I cannot believe there will be a new hearing. I am unsure of what other eveidence that is necesary to be heard. The OWHA has an admission that the Person running the hockey school contacted players. He was and still is a coach. the interpretation of the rule is in question. No other eveidence is necesary. Can the person hold two hats.
Come on now OWHA and Lawyer. DO not prolong this please let it die. THe integrity of the OWHA is up for question and the fact there is a lawyer in this case trying to alter the process is making the coach look desperate and very guilty. And the coach is a good guy.
Please OWHA rule on this. It is very simple, is your intent of the rule that coaches can contact players as long as they represent a hockey school or anything else for that matter? It is my opinion that if they allow this, then you will allow loopholes at every level of the OWHA rules. OWHA use your own values. Integrity and fair play. How can it be fair that other association players come to a camp invited by a coach, to anyone. The players going there now have an unfair advantage. PLain and SImple. Everything else really doesn't matter.

"No OWHA team may invite or allow to participate in its training camp, practice or play in any scheduled or exhibition game." (OWHA Handbook)

Doesn't say anything about March Break hockey camps nor does it address the issue of point of view: can a coach approach a player while wearing a different hat, let alone about whether a coach can approach a player indirectly.

And the rule has nothing to do with unfair advantages. Life isn't fair.

and law is law. let the owha decide what the intent of the rule is. as for being unfair, what kind of integrity does one have if they use a march break camp as an attempt to circumvent the rule. If they are truly innocent and naive, why would they intimidate and bash others deflecting criticism from actual fact. The longer it drags on the worse it is.

The March Break camp was publicly advertised at the beginning of December 2008 and open to anyone who signed up. It is not like it came out of nowhere or Hyperfit / Toronto Hockey Factory suddenly had a last minute camp. As a matter of fact I believe it was posted on this forum as well.

Also, the charges relate to a specific player and organization and therefore the burden is on DWGHA to prove that tampering occurred. This case is not about the issue of tampering but rather specifics i.e. player, association, and coach. From what I know and understand about the facts of the case if the OWHA is looking to make an example of someone then a guilty verdict is possible and if they follow their rules as stated in black and white then I do not believe the evidence submitted will be enough.

I suggest unless you are directly impacted with this case don't bother getting involved. The OWHA has made a complete mess with all the delays. Neither the coach nor the DWGHA president is to blame for this.

When all is said and done whether this is over at the OWHA level or it escalates to the OHF and perhaps even Hockey Canada then we can all get on with our lives and get back to focusing on the players and not the politics.

I applaud the DWGHA president for standing up what she believes is the right thing to do and also following up with recent submission to the AGM. My only disappointment is how selective this seems to be. However, as a previous poster suggested "success breeds jealousy".

but you don't apply a rule based on what they wanted it to do. Yu apply it as it is written.

ok so a coach may or may not invite players from other associations on the ice. is that how it was written. is that what happenned? doesntsay its ok ifhe runsa hockeyschool?

I agree!!
Why in the hell should the DW president or anyone else have to attend another meeting on this issue??

Why are you people even concerned with the issue unless you are from DW or SS.?

Attacking the DW pres. is not the answer as she is backing up her coaches who are making the claims and with documented proof so the threads indicate. The team coach in question accused is not the only SS team to have done this, this year. And yes I can state this because I walked right in on the invitation conversation to some of the players from my daughters team and my daughter was also asked to come to their try outs. As far as this poster is concerned, SS is as guilty as the sun rising up tomorrow morning with at least two of their teams tampering.
Bottom line is rules are rules for EVERYONE to adhere to and if you break them and get caught you pay the price.
It is time the girls also realise that if they keep asking top players from other teams to come to their tryouts on behalf of their coaches aka (parents) than this is also tampering. Happens at every Provincial.

grow up

Sounds like a response from a little girl who can't or doesen't know how, or one of the guilty party.

Thanks for supporting my claim....my dates and information was correct as you have supported it.....and like it or not I did not get the information from DW......like the information I got from the original hearing....I got from someone else.


The OWHA needs to rule on this.....it is as simple as that.




Play hard, play fair


The Diceman

Is OWHA spending my money on a lawyer? Buffets at the mandrin, ok.. but a lawyer.. maybe Mississauga or Brampton provides free lawyers and ice for them.

The lawyer is not paid by the OWHA, the lawyer is for the coach...maybe Scarborough is paying or maybe the coach is paying...or maybe she is doing it out of the goodness of her heart

"...or maybe she is doing it out of the goodness of her heart"

#1

An elderly patient needed a heart transplant and discussed options with his doctor. The doctor said, "We have three possible donors. The first is a young, healthy athlete who died in an automobile accident. The second is a middle-aged businessman who never drank or smoked and who died flying his private jet. The third is an attorney who died after practicing law for 30 years. Which do you want?"

"I'll take the attorney's heart," said the patient.

After a successful transplant, the doctor asked the patient why he had chosen the donor he did.

"It was easy," said the patient, "I wanted a heart that hadn't been used."

#2

A guy walks into a post office one day to see a middle-aged, balding man standing at the counter methodically placing "Love" stamps on bright pink envelopes with hearts all over them.

He then takes out a perfume bottle and starts spraying scent all over them. His curiosity getting the better of him, he goes up to the balding man and asks him what he is doing.

The man says "Im sending out 1,000 Valentine cards signed, Guess who?"

"But why?" asks the man.

"Im a divorce lawyer."

Still curious.

Nope

Re: Consequences of OWHA Delay in Tampering Decision #2
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there is a second Tamperer.. on the grassy knoll..behind the buffet table.. Can anyone imagine a business run by the OW... Alan Eagleson or Bruce McNall where are you now there are jobs on Spectrum way.

Anyone know who the second tamperer is?????