Why can a team/coach/organization Rat on a team for free....but you charge the team that is recat $200 to appeal your decision?

The logic is flawed. There needs to be a cost to complain as well as to defend.

OWHA should review all teams with say a .800 winning percentage from the form A's automatically. Not saying all should move up that qualify for this winning percentage but they should be reviewed by OWHA. They should also look at all teams below .200 and drop them down.

Should not be a rat system. It creates bad feelings between neighbours. There is also times that no letters come in on teams that should be reviewed because many don't want to be known as "a rat".

Ulrimately the decision to recatagorize lays with the OWHA - NOT THE RAT. Some teams should be recat'd but if no letter is sent in they don't get moved.

Too many people having thier daughters team recat'd seem to direct thier anger towards the RAT. It is the OWHA that makes the decision. Be angry at them. They have set the rules including no playoffs with LLFHL.

I guess that the OWHA doesnt anger from recats to be directed at them and have found a way to have its members angry at each other instead.

You appear to be confused. You start your comment by suggesting that the OWHA automatically look at teams with a winning percentage of over .8 or below .2 and then recat them as required. Then you tell parents to direct their anger at the OWHA for recat'ing teams rather than at teams that requested the review. So do you want the OWHA to recat teams or not?

some teams should be recat yes.

seems everyone who is recat'd are angry and never agree with the decision. Many people that have been recat are angry with the rat not with the decision maker. Do you not agree the anger is misdirected ? Was this misdirection the intent of the OWHA recat rule changes 4 or 5 seasons ago ? or was it because they are lazy ?

I believe the OWHA should take it upon themselves what teams should be reviewed. Rat thing is just wrong on many levels.

The Owha has a general philosophy of we control everything and it is not your concern how we do things or if we do them at all.......


Then they have this recat system which is used only to divert anger away from them as well it allows them to recat teams to send a message and they can say others requested it.


There are not many teams at all that need to be moved up.....look at the Form A and then go and watch teams that their record seems to indicate that they are very strong. Then after watching them and using comment sense come to a fair decision....based only on the teams ability...not on personal opinion.

A committee could be form that does not include people with vested interest... or how about after each game the ref comments on the game sheet about the game as far as if one team was dominated or it was a competitive game. This gives the committee firsthand information after each game. However this is just that information.....along with results a more informed decision can be achieve. Playoffs should not be lost....move the team up to the higher category and have them play against the lowest team that qualified and play off for that spot.





Play hard, play fair


The Diceman

After being through recat process a couple of years ago start to finish, Dice is correct and the OWHA has choose some poor decisions towards the new RATTING OUT system, and yes thats all it is. We did not win at provincials. I don't think anyone has gone to win at Provincials since this started, and if they did 1 out 1 out of 1000 isn't worth all the hassel. The new problem is teams are classifying themselves higher than they should be because they are scared of missing playoffs. THe OW needs to stay out of LLFHL

The OWHA IS THE LLFHL ..

I agree with Dice on this one. I also think that the team that is filing the request should not remain anonymous. The team that is being reviewed should be able to defend why that team would want to see them moved up.

That team may want a bye at Provincials, win LLFHL or not have to play against them in playdowns

Last year a peewee team had to travel from Toronto to Windsor, London and Strathroy (twice) to play (40 minute) league games. The OWHA or LLFHL saw nothing wrong with this? These are 11 and 12 year olds!!!! Are we there yet!!!

I could live with it if they had some sort of weekend tournament located half way to reduce the travel.

While it is easy to say that the OW is the LL you can't lay all of the blame on the folks on Spectrum Ct. The individual clubs are guilty of NOT cleaning house. The leadership of the associaitons, particularily the ones with a large voting bloc, are to blame for all of this because they have not had the foresight or the passion to change anything.

So if you realy really really don't like what is happening, write to you club president, go to your AGM or even an exec meeting and ask them if they like the status quo.

So the next time you whine about something that you don't like just ask yourself, before you submit a comment to this forum, if you have done anything about it yourself.

Heck. maybe the thing to do is to get the forum readers to poll their presidents about the club's view on the OWHA. Maybe some of the clubs like the way things are run. Maybe some want to chagne things but don't know that other clubs share this point of view.

(I have 3 months left in my OWHA "membership" so it is too late for me!)

This would be usless in Oshawa. If my calculations are corect they would have 66 votes. More support for OW.