The most frustrating aspect to this forum is the folks who come on here, year after year, and whine and complain about the provincials only being three 10-minute periods. Personally, I'd prefer longer games but what galls me is that none of these crybabys has been able to get this changed. The mesasge here is that posting crap on this forum hasn't changed anything. But that doesn't stop these dolts from continuing to go on and on and on about it. (As Albert Einstein said, insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.)

So enough already. Put up or shut up. Start a grassroots campaign to get this changed or else save the bandwidth and stop posting. Frankly, if you can't get this changed either you are aren't trying hard enough or you are clueless morons. Take your pick.

So where do we start oh great one?

I have been to a AGM--nothing changes--why--because we all work and have only so much time to put into this.

The people who run the OW know this and have set it up that people give up before change happens.

Ah Grasshopper, a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. By asking this question you have begun your quest. And at the centre of your being you have the answer to your own question; you know who you are and you know what you want. All you need is to take the action to achieve this.

That is my point. You (the plural form not the singular) come on here and expend your energies harping and carping but not on actual change. That is why they are laughing at you folks because you can't get up the initiative to change something as simple as the game times at the provincials let alone oust the matriarchs from their positions of power and privalege.

I doubt that there isn't a single one of you who complain about the provincials who has the skills to organize a bake sale. "You" are wasting your time and our time by posting futile whines on here.

Well Mr/Mrs know it all...... a bake sale is easy...a revolution takes time. It is happening as we speak.





Play hard, play fair


The Diceman

If I remember correctly, the periods were 12-12-12 in Midget AA in the Spring?

As long as you're "Doing It" and not just sitting on your *** like the others.

The OWHA is to be congratulated.....I am serious.

They have this goose who lays the golden eggs all locked up and better protected then any political organization can ever dream of. As the years went on the OWHA passed items that guarantee that they could stay on as long as they wanted to.

The fact that one of the top ladies is thinking about giving it up is showing that the goose may have a virus...

They have the OWHA set up so that they have a year to prepare if you want to change an item in the constitution. You make your proposal this year and it gets placed on the agenda the following year. They then have a year to rally the troops against this as well as to get you to tow the line.

The Rules and Bylaws changes have to be approved by the OWHA executive committee before they can be placed on the agenda at this years AGM. Then if they approve it and it is voted on and not carried, you can not place it up for a vote for 3 more years. Most members of Organizations do not stay around long enough to make changes.

It takes a couple of years before you are even aware of what is going on and then if you try to make some changes you are meet with road blocks and then you are no longer on the executive of your association and the whole process starts again.

Then they use the scare tactic....you are called in to their offices and told.....that you are to behave or else!

Give credit were credit is due.....they have done a good job in protecting them selves......however to many people are pissed now and they know it. This is the reason for their most recent tactic of attacking me. The end for them is near and they know it.



Play hard, play fair


The Diceman

Re: Have you tried
January 7 2011 at 5:53 PM
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Response to Re: Have you tried
there is no revolution happening, this simplest fact is you dont even know who the OWHA reports too. Your knowledge is based on heresay and rumors

Well we will see.....ad to answer you question...the OWHA answers to the members of the OWHA, something they seem to have forgotten.

Longer games were brought to the AGM this past year and was voted down after the OWHA said that if longer games were voted in then less teams would be able to go to the Provincials. So it was voted down.

I have been to many AGM's and guess what it is always brought up. Yes Dice is correct, a member of the OW, guess who, will stand up i have witnessed this and say, if we do this we will drop the # of teams going to Provincials. Hello that is the other point of most Associations . Too many teams. This tactic which must be working scares Orgs who get byes every year, Teams up North who may not get in and all the smaller Orgs who are nervous about making Provincials. As i have said before Provincials should be top 2 teams in each division in LLFHL top 2 in Odwha, top 2 from Nwhl and have a qaulifying tournament in January for the last 2 spots that anyone can play in. This makes 12 teams for Provincials, makes OW happy,from money raised from tournament and will have the top 12 teams in the Province playing regular length games. This would be at least a true test for the Province.

A simple call to the press will start things shaking!!

Why fewer teams?

The Provincials should be about the best squads in Ontario going. No team should be given an automatic bye just because of geography. I still like the idea of playdowns but the teams that are getting byes now whould be added to the nearest geographic region. I know travel is an issue for some of these Northern teams, but it is not fair that some squads have to compete against 3 other teams for a spot, when other teams get an automatic bye. I'm sure the travel issue can be worked out, since most of these teams travel south for tournaments.

Well....I don't think travel is a big issue to either organizations as some teams in the Toronto area has to travel to Kingston for 1 game and vise versa in the LLFHL. We're talking 9-10 hrs out of your day for a 1.5 hr. game so I don't think the travel is a issue. That's absolutely RETARDED!!!!!!!!!!!

What's even more retarded is Brampton getting a bye into the Provincials every year. Brampton and Mississauga borders each other and are part of the same region (Peel Region)......WHAT'S UP WITH THAT????????????? Shouldn't they be playing down against Mississauga....does anyone know the reason behind this one? Even Barrie should be playing down against the York Region teams as they travel down to Toronto for regular season games.

Travel is not the issue here...I am sure most people know why!!!!!!!!!!

seems like simple math. the tournmanet would stll be over the same number of days, if each game is longer there will be less games. IF there is less available time slots for games then there is less avaiable games for teams. Hence you would only have room for half of the teams that currently come. This is not the OWHA being rude to shut the proposal down, this is them being realistic with everyone. They are free to vote and pass the resolution however each association that does risks their teams no longer going to provincials. that would be a tough sell back at your association. "the games are longer however we have a fraction of the chances of going" even the paranoia of diceman can see this basic logic

You are a bit behind the times vis-a-vis Brampton getting byes into the Provincials. At one time they did, but in the last couple of years changes have dictated that they are in a group with Guelph, North Halton and Orangeville along with a couple of other smaller Associations. While there may be the very odd exception even Brampton's AA teams will playoff against Guelph. Also, watch for North Halton to start icing AA teams over the next couple of years as their ice availability situation improves.

Best teams only, and not having to play 10-10-10. These reasons should be enough

This issue has been voted on more than once at the AGM and the Associations have voted against the longer games and less teams. The people you need to get to change their minds are your Associations.

Level that play 10-10-12 would have a 6.7% increase in ice time requirements/cost. Levels that play 12-15-15 would see a 40% increase.

Given that teams regularly pay to attend other tournaments with these "regular" game lengths, we can assume cost to the teams is not an issue.

If the implication is that the deciding factor is finding enough ice time then perhaps the OW should look at changing their "single site model" as this appears to be the limiting factor. Currently, they try to have all of the games played in the same area (Miss./Brampton). However, this is clearly no longer a relevant issue as they played games last year at Westwoods in Etobicoke and Newmarket.

So there is really nothing preventing them from spreading further afield to take advantage of mulitplexes in SC, Vaughn, Whitby, etc.

Further, it suggests that the guiding principle at work here is "we have always done it this way so there is no need to change". An unwillingness to change is the first sign of a management team that is no longer working at peak efficiency. Good managers look for ways to do things not ways to prevent things from happening.

The bottom line is the Spectrum Court needs a house cleaning. They know it so let's just help them get to the end point now.