Some of the calls saturday night were b/s! The worst call of the night, lorne browe and Chris Kokosa in the sportsman feature. He clearly took Chris out. Not to mention the guy is a nut, who makes nothing but stupid moves ( as shown in his heat race). So anyways he takes out Chris Kokosa and nothing happens to him?? That was ****!!!!!!! The inconsistency with the officals is sicking. It has always been a rule, if you crash the leader, then you get sent to the rear( maybe that just applies to the modifieds???). Ahhh what did lorne browe do??? crashed the leader..Hmmmmmm what happen, nothing....Right...... I guess that was just another "great" call by lebanon valley's "great" officals. Then my favorite thing said the whole night was how the camera never caught browe taking out kokasa (who were the leaders) but! they did capture the whole Mel Schruffer and Rich Ricci deal???ahhhh ok that makes sense??? I know if I was browe, I would be real proud of that victory!!!!!

First the night starts off with a mess in the modifieds. Then the sportsman race was going good unitl L.Browe lost his mind and decide to take out the leader (Kokosa) because he knew that nothing would be done. SO NICE WIN BROWE. I hope that you and your crew are really proud of your win. It just proves that the officials don't follow the rules either and make them up as they go. Any other track or maybe race they driver that took out the leader would have been sent to the rear. So GREAT JOB OFFICIALS and L. BROWE ! ! ! !

PS: Its nice to see Kokosa back racing!!!! GOOD LUCK ! !

I'm glad I wasn't the only one that thought that!!!!

Feel free to forward any comments or concerns to:

lbnvlyspwy@aol.com


I'm sure they would be happy to hear you thoughts!

Oh.. in addition - how do you feel about Mel Schuffer getting black flaged and sent to the trailer, but Ricci wasn't?

Seems a little backwards don't ya think?

Great Job racing clean Rich - what goes around, comes around!

see now, I was talking to Russ in the modified class who said, if your involved in a reck even if you didn't cause it
, it doesn't matter you go to the rear(well thats what they told him anyways when john hewitt took him out,and he went to go back in his spot)I don't know if its true or not??? and you wouldn't know because they come up with different b/s every week!

See if the tape was reviewed and they found that mel Schruffer did it purposely,then he should be put to the rear..but no way no how should he have been black flagged. If anyone should have been black flagged it should have been rich for spining mel under the caution. It makes no sense! as you said,IT'S ALL BACKWARDS!

The way the officals make calls is ridiculous!They have different rules for different people, and they never keep their word (regaurding the art collins and keys incident). The worst part is,that one of the tow truck drivers are going to get hurt for just doing their job. When are the
the officals going to grow some balls, step up to the plate, and make the right calls for EVERYONE!!!!????

"Browe challenged Kokosa in turn four but was unable to take the lead. Browe continued to challenge on the restart with Kokosa ending up in the first turn wall." - Lebanon valleys website...Ha ha never do they say how browe ran into chris, puting him into the wall. what really gets me is how browe was warned by the flagger the caution before that because he ran over another guy, and then some how on the restart side by side with kokosa, he ends up into the barrier, but yet browe never touched him, great conclusion the officals came to, how much do you get paid to make calls like that? ..Right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Hmmm If I was chris I would have picked up the piece of siding where browe put him into the barrier/wall , and gone down later and ask browe to sign it. cause that's something Chris is going to keep for a long time! Unbelieveable!
Lorne Browe cleanest racer out there! best ever!

Then you have this great call-"Ricci spun and recovered but as the field moved down the backstretch under caution, Ricci saw reason to retaliated by hitting Schuffer’s No. 84 with his No. 55. Schuffer was given the black flag for the initial incident and went to the pits before the green flew once again."- LV'S Website.
How many Saturday's have you seen someone spin someone in the feature, and the guy who initially started the incident get the black flag??? Do I even need to comment this?Boy doesn't lebanon valleys officals/flaggers who ever make these great decision/actions just annoy the **** out of you? No, No really you do have a lot of respect from the fans and drivers, really!

If the flag guy made his own calls things might not be the way they are now

Wow Rodney, it's pretty funny you are an official at the track and your on here talking **** yet once again. If your so upset with the call you should have said something I didn't hear you open your mouth once that night.

But wait, you wouldn't have the balls to say anything. The only way you have the balls to say anything is when you can get behind your computer on this website and talk your ****, cuz that's all you talk. Oh yeah wait you can go onto race pro weekly and dis the track there too. Man I wouldn't be surprised if someone took you out one of these weeks. Your gunna say the wrong thing about someone and I can't wait your a complete ****ing moron!

Keep talking your **** loser.....I'll be waiting for you comment.... HAHA

You've been waiting long enough... the fact of the matter is, I did... and it's jackass' like yourselves that don't know the facts before you spew you jealous sh*^% on sites like these.

I have the right to voice my opinion anyway I choose. Regardless of whether or not I'm an official or not. If you actually had any facts to sustantiate any of your claims, you wouldn't have posted your response....

I explained the events to both Harry and to Rich... and basically the ultimate dicision is made by 'Race Control'. The fact is there is video, there is voiced accounts by myself, and other officials, and the decision was still made by 'Race Control'. Right or wrong, my job is to explain the incedent from my point of view, their job is to correct the problem, and/or makes calls to black flag/penalize or send to the pits... not mine.

So if you have an issue as to the call... talk to 'Race Control'. If you want to point fingers at me, feel free, because the simple truth is I know the facts, and you don't. As far as what I write on here, and on my own column at RaceProWeekly.com, is my opinion, as a race fan, and sometimes as an official. That's my choice, and my right!

So you have your opinion, and now I shared mine.... now what's your response?

Well you know what. I do know what happened and no I did not hear you say a word. If you truly are an official you wouldn't be on here talking ****. But then again HotRod that's all you do. Yes you have your opinion and yes I have mine, and mine is your an *******......plain and simple. What a great group of people howie has representing his track. Hope your reading this......

Whatever childish behavior you choose is your choice... I on the other hand will respect your opinion, and take it with a grain of salt.

As far as what you 'heard', well maybe you should get your ears checked out.... because I know what I said, and I know what was said to me...

As far as my integrity... again that's your opinion, but I can assure you that if you ask any driver, owner, or crew member in the pits, they will not argue my reputation and fairness as an official. Because the bottom line is, that's the important part, the drivers and owners, not what you, the half drunk fan in the stands thinks.

Just call a spade a spade. The 2nd fact is that you lable yourself as 'racegirl63'... Danny must be proud to have someone like you supporting him! Feel free to ask him what he thinks of my reputation!

Yours Truely!

Dumbass!

Hey now be nice, This girl whoever she is or he is mustn't be a real sanchez fan. Oh well pretend what u want. As for hotrod I must agree....He spoke up for himself and well lets just say most of the calls made are just that BS.....

The whole Browe / Kakosa thing has been blown way out of proportion. I personaly know them both and they are both really good people. Kasosa came down a little on Browe early in the race trying to maintain his position which caused minor contact. Pointing the flag at Browe was just to let the leader know Browe was warned, not because of the contact being made. Now the incodent later on in the race was clearly not Browe's falt and anyone down on the front strech where the Modifieds park would agree. Something had broke on Kakosa's car going into turn 1. Lorne was on the inside of Kakosa when his car let loose. Because as soon as Browe was long side of Kakosa, sparks were flying from the right rear of Kakosa's car. Which sent him silly.I personaly saw the 00 when it brought to the pit area. Not was there a single scratch on the LEFT side of that racecar, which where the 14 was when it broke. And for the record he is not a nut. A perfect exsample of a nut would be Wayne Keys...

It's funny how kokosas car just turned right while heading down the front straightaway, I guess things like that happen for no reason at all, whats the odds huh? As for damage on the left rear of the 00 my family and I went down to see Chris after the race and the left rear wheel of his car was bent in kinda ironic considering he hit the wall with the right front and of course Browe didnt make any contact! Parts on well maintained racecars dont just break !!!! And good drivers dont just hit the wall for no reason !!!
Whoever this person is ripping on Rodney needs to get an education in racing, (and in general) Ive been around auto racing most of my life and have attended Lebanon Valley for many years (on both sides of pit wall) and I have found Rodney and Matt Higgins to be some of the most fair officials there. Some of the "higher" officials need to take lessons from them. ie the person standing on the Rifenberg trailer.
Good luck to Chris and the 00 team go get em this week !!!!!

I still feel like browe should have been put to the rear, And believe that mel shouldn't have been black flagged. Honestly what you say hotrod, is totally different then what the anoucers say. But There's really no reason to keep arguing, because the calls have been made!I think my voice has been heard, and whether or not you care is a different story. It's not worth being mean and nasty over calls that can't be changed!

I agree with you 100%....

The announcers say a lot of things different than the track officials. If you have a radio, Harry is always saying, "Those f------ announcers, what the hell are they saying that for!" Of course, not always those exact words, but you get the gist of it.

I just don't understand why they even comment, if they know in the end their going to be wrong?? But I will argue this, I think we (the fans in the stands that do care) derserve to be told the reasons for the calls you make on the track. When I question a call on the track it's usually because I don't understand what they did or why they did. I don't question the calls you (officals) make because I want to be disrespectful or start trouble. I do it because there's such a lack in communication between the announcers, and when you see for example, mel being parked for what rich ricci did kinda makes you angry. Us the fans once again have no clue, and then you listen to the bs the announcers feed to you, and then you get angry. And if your anything like me, you come on here and post a message.

That's a great point... just in defense of John and Dan (and Bob), the problem is communication. You hit the nail on the head. I would have to say that probably 80% of the time, they have no idea either as to what's goin on, so they just observe and summarize just like would if I were in the stands ... best educated guess, per say.

I'll talk to Bob and John and Dan and see if there is a better system of communication...

Good call on that one. Being on the other side of the fence, sometimes you have no idea what the real problem is.

Cars don't go turing into the wall for no reason. I saw somthing break on Kakosa's car. Yes it is coincodental but its what happened. Mabey his left rear wheel was bent, but that could have been from when he hit the wall. I work on these types of cars and they do bend easily. Even just racing puts a ton of wear and tear on these cars and even small blows will do a quite a bit of damage. So that bend may or may not have been from contact of the 14. Although, Browe was along side him when he broke. It was a racing incodent and it happens. Trust me, I'm sure Browe would rather win racing him than him wrecking. And nobody will ever know 110% except the guys on the racetrack. But I am pretty sure I saw something break or a flat on the rear of the 00.

So, in your expert opinion, What do you suppose broke on the Kokosa's car? With out any help from the 14.

It could have been a number of things. Could of been one of the bars in th rear. But most likely it was a flat. Those thing really do happen. Sometimes things aren't always what they seem and people get the wrong idea. Plus it happened so fast too. That could happened anywhere to anyone and when that person who is wrecked see's the first guy to go by him, he assumes he hit him or spun him out or whatever.All it was, was a racing incodent. I also would like to add that the throwing of the mud or rock, was unprofessional either way. And I also heard the Ryan Larkin said he saw the 14 take him out. How could you (Ryan) see that from a strait-a-way distance?

What do u mean "from a straightway away." He was in third which is the spot right behind where browe was.....

Ok mabey it wasn't a straight a way led but he wasn't right behind him.

you can't rule out that browe could have made contact with chris.I don't really understand browe's racing philosophy. He has a fast car, and does a lot of stupid things to ruin it. for instants, he was put to the rear in his heat, drove like a nut to get a qualifing spot in his heat. Warned on the one caution in the feature that there's still a lot of racing left, and to use his head. with the events that occured earlier, I wouldn't and couldn't rule out browe getting into chris.

If it was the case that something did break, why would chris have reacted the way he did??? What your saying, and chris's actions doesn't add up. Not to knock your belief/ opinion or anything, but wouldn't chris have known something broke on his car? I mean I've never worked on a race car, but wouldn't his car acted a little funny before hand?

Yes he does have a fast racecar. Manuvers some of these guys make here look crazy and stupid because, in this class, these sportsman guys are pretty limited. So it can be pretty tough to pass guys on the track. It seems to me that alot of the newer guys out there with very litte motor,are using alot of the track making it difficult to pass. I don't understand why they aren't allowed to give a little nudge or a little door to door rub. After all that is a part racing right? And pointing the flag warning Browe to use his head is what the anouncer said, not what the official said. The officials do that also to let the leader see's that the guy behind him is being wached. I know that first hand that because I talk to the officials myself. The Hat race... the reason he was put to the rear was because he advanced position before the flagger. And the reason he did that was because the car in front of him was going. So Browe went around him. Drivers I think would know if something broke on there car. Sometimes things just break without warning. Tires go flat without warning. That was a weird situation. Browe was on the inside of Kakosa when he broke. So I don't see where he could have hit him on the left and something break on the right side...

How funny that all the tires in the Kokosa race car where all full inflated before and after impact with the wall and his left rear rim was bent! Why on the front stretch he would just go right into the the wall? Yeah the right side of the car was damaged all done by contact with the wall. His car was fast and browe knew that we would have trouble getting by with all of chris's experience driving. About the mud ball! I'm sure Browe would have done the same thing. If we had gotten taken out!!!

I totally agree that L.browe would have also thrown something at chris if chris took him out

Lorne is not the kind of guy who would do something like that I have seen him go right back to his trailer and never said anything to the person who took him out... Lorne is a nice guy and a great driver....

When did you see his tires full of air after impact? Because when the brought him in on the truck his right rear was flat I saw it. This past week I ran into one of the officials and I spoke with him about a couple of incodents that happened last Saturday. He said there was about 2 feet of space between the 14 and 00 when he broke. Something definately happened to his car... And about Browe throwing mud at somebody if takin out- No Way. He is a pretty mellow guy. He's been takin out plenty of times and only did he walk back to his pit stall calm and quietly. Anymore questions?

The right front tire on the 00 was flat from the rim being crushed during the contact with the wall, ALL others were fully inflated. Regardless of what Howie's $20.00 per night "official" said facts are facts. The simple fact of the matter is Browe has been one of the better cars in the Sportsman class for the past few years. New Teo and a JPM engine. Kokosa comes back three weeks ago after not racing for 3 years with a 1991 car and a new engine builder and is one of the fastest cars in the class. I think thats a pretty big pill for some of these guys to handle. Browe did what he had to do to stop Kokosa. Take out the leader and go to the rear....not in Howie land !!!!
We keep hearing about one of these mysterious parts that broke, can you name one ?

I really don't think he's abig pill for these sportsman guys. He hasn't ran any of the top 6 in Transponder times since he's been here. K.C. Goewey is probably one the fatsest guys here. Everybody is sticking up for him because was liked by fans back when he ran big block. All these guys are good drvers. There only a handful of crappy drivers. I don't know what else to tell you. Let me ask you something.. Did you see the actual contact made by the 14? And you still didn't tell me when you saw his car after the wreck. And ca you explain the smoke and sparks from his car before he hit the wall? His right rear was flat. I saw it 2 feet away. Mysterious parts?? Like I said it could have been anything. Pan-Hard bar, tortion bar, spring bar.

Very good you got an A plus on the parts question. I guess you'll have your opinion and I'll have mine, thats what makes America great. Browe has a great fan in you and Chris has a great one in me. Good luck and safety to all drivers this weekend.

the only reason that K.C. Goewey is so fast thats because he runs a mopar block and he is the only one that is allowed to run a mopar block because it is easy to cheat with it because no one knows how to tech it

If Schrufer was black flagged, Ricci should have been also.Every track has there favorites,different rules for different drivers. It is the same **** no matter where you go. Even in the state of Florida where we patronize, charlotte County Speedway in Punta Gorda.
We know they stuck it to Mel.

I guess you were not watching the same race that I was...
Because Lorne was know were near Chris... I guess maybe you
need some glasses so you can see the race.... Just a little
reminder there was smoke coming from the right side of
Chris's car and Lorne was on the left of him.. And he
started to smoke near the flag stand.. Chris is just a little
cry baby.... So maybe he should just stay in his trailer..
And next time you want to make a statement about something
you know nothing about use that little brain that you have
and don't!!!!!!!

what makes you such an expert on what happen between browe and chris?Maybe chris should stay in his trailer???Hmmm lets see he won the race saturday night,( Hint...he won because browe didn't take him out) ah where was browe again, oh thats right in another reck.. The boy can't drive a lick! I don't care how fast browe is, it don't matter because he does the "amazing" move which usually ends up recking himself plus many others.

The only reason Chris won this weekend is because he was in the front...And the only reason he was in the front is because he cried so much last weekend The only reason Lorne did not make to the front is because of the problem that Frankie had.... And if he did not get into that he would have kicked Chris's A$$ again and then Chris could have gone cring again to Howard.... And once again Lorne didn't hit Chris because I went over to Chris's car and the RIGHT rear was flat and in case you don't know your left from your right Lorne was on the left side of Chris.... I know my left from right so that is what make me the expert of that.... You have a nice day and good luck next weekend and make sure you clean your glasses so you can see the race and make sure you learn your left from your right....

I'm Not getting involved in what happened lastweek because I wasn't there to see it and I like both of them. Loren was a just an inocent victim this week he had no place to go. As for Chris winning the way he was running he probably could have won from the back.


Good Luck Loren and Chris!!!

no chris didn't start on the front row because he went crying to howie, miss I know it all. he started up front from a mysterious incident that occured the previous week. Oh you know what you are so right, Lorne Browe cleanest driver out there. Do I even need to bring up his heat race that weekend...No... you know why???I can almost gaurentee that he'll do something stupid again that we'll ruin himself or someone else this weekend.But it's like I said that's past history. Maybe I do need a pair of glasses, everything will be so blury, that he might look like hes actually good or something? But seriously it's time for you to get a pair of glasses or something, because Browe's driving style is horrible. When the man finishes a race, it's out of pure luck

You don't even know what a good driving style is. Have you ever even been in a racecar? Sportsman class is a real tough class being that they are so limited and get a measely 20 laps to race. The only reason Kakosa won was because he started pole. That's pretty much a garunteed win for almost anyone in that class. Art Collins would had that race in the bag if it wern't for Harkins. So until you have more Championships in stock racing that Lorne Browe, then you can open your mouth about good driving. It's obvious you're just a Kakosa fan and anyone one who beats him sucks. Chris hasn't ran any faster transponder times than Browe, Collins, Harper, Gowey, and Knipe. Browe isn't in anymore accidents than anyone else out there. This past week was just a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Usually he's pretty good at keeping is nose clean. Browe doesn't do anymore wrong that anyone else out there on that track. Write back when you know what your'e talking about.

Don't assume that I'm chris kokosa's # 1 fan because I'm not. I respect him though! I started this whole thing because I didn't agree with the call/calls and still don't, but like I said I can't change that......Please refresh my memory though, how many chanpionships does browe have, I think right now, I have just as many as he does???Don't make him out to be the man in that class, and don't say that last week he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, because it was not only last week. I wouldn't care if it was art collins and kokosa on the restart and that incident happen, I still wouldn't agree with the call!And the only thing that keeps me responding is that you all come on here and say how wrong I am, but what makes you all so right??Nothing!!!Your opinions are as right as mine

I don't buy that whole right rear flat crap or brake crap because it doesn't add up! And until Chris Kokosa himself comes on here and says, I was wrong, I really did have a flat or something broke, browe didn't touch me, and I just wanted to throw that piece of track at him to make it look good. I'm sticking to my opinions and feelings.

***** I know browe and many others are going to make mistakes, that's a given, I just want the right calls to be made. Don't bust on the officals either because it was said earlier that race control made their call, and the officals have to do their job, and I know they don't always agree with the calls that are made, but just like me what are they going to do? ****

I am not making him out to be the man. You're the one saying he took him out wich I know for a fact he didn't. There was a 1 1/2 to 2 foot space between the two cars when the incodent happened. And to talk crap about the guy and his driving skills is disrespectful. He's not a nut, he drives fine, and is a respectable guy. Also my right rear stuff does add up. I saw the tires when they brought him in the pits with my own two eyes. And yes he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. He is usually pretty good at keeping his nose clean. How often do you you see him in wrecks compared to everyone else? Like I said before everybody is doing no different than he is. About call that was made, Harry did not see the incodent himself. The official on the flagger stand was the one watching them two specifically and told Harry that there was no contact made. And yes I want the right calls to be made too. I just don't agree that he should of went to the rear. How about this for a call- Do you think it was right for him to start pole the 2nd week he was there? Starting position is based on the past 3 finishes and money won(according to Kevin.) So why should he start pole when hasn't even ran 3 races yet? Because howie did that for him to butter his biscuit to stay at the Valley. Everyone knows he and Howie are buds and when something happens he goes complaining to Howie. That's the kind of guy you respect? I respect him as a driver because he is good, but not as a person. And congrats on your championships.

I am not a fan of Kokosa nor Browe. Obviously, both are decent drivers...Browe is very competive, has a well kept car and good equipment and always runs towards the front. Kokosa has tons of experience, is also a very talented driver. My hat is off to him for winning in such a short time after taking a couple of years off. Bottom line is - it happened two weeks ago. It is over, and hopefully if both drivers are true professionals they have already forgotten about it. This is short track racing...not F1. There is going to be contact, sometimes intentional, sometimes not. There has been 10 different accounts of what happened. Watch the tape, it always tells the truth.

Just for the record the top 5 finishers in each heat race determine the top 15 starting spots in the feature. Those drivers are lined up according to money earned over the past three weeks, with the lowest money earned starting first and the highest starting 15. The consi cars line up behind these 15.
This was not Kokosa's 2nd week it was his fifth... 11th the first week,didnt qualify the second, mechanical problems the third (after finishing 3 in heat), forth week wrecked while leading feature (mysterious part failure) fifth week feature win. To the best of my knowledge thats 5 not 2 someone needs to spend a little less time at the Coors booth and a little more wathching the races!
GREAT JOB TO CHRIS AND HIS CREW !!!!

gmc31 where do you come up with this crap. I don't really believe that you went over to chris's car sat their study the damage, and then better yet, had the knowledge to diagnose the cars problems before the wreck,( and if you did,boy I hope I become half the service writer/mechanic you are!) i'm sorry I don't believe it. God knows where you were in the pits when the incident happen, but yet your vision is so good that you seen that kokosa's tire was flat, and that there were 2 feet separating them. Good Eye. He's really not good at keeping his nose clean, the only thing he has is luck!I hate to burst your browe bubble, but there are many people who think browe drives like a jack. Even the announcers thought the same things that we thought, and their all watching the same race we are.But were all wrong and your right! second howie does not need chris kokosa, and by no means is buttering up 2 him. 3rd Chris had every right to start on pole he had the least amount of money and had a good finish in his heat race.
Respect..hmmmmmm lets think about that..why should I respect him? What has he done, that I should say, wow that guy is good.My opinion of him is my opinion, thats that! Browe might be a great person, I don't care, I'm not judging him on his personality, i'm judging him on racing. And you know what, you don't even know kokosa, so your passing judgments on him that are all hearsay which means they have no truth.congratulation!Now you are no better then me!!

It's not hard to see 2 feet of space between two racecars on that track. And no I didn't go and sit and diagnose Chris's car. I saw it as they brought it by the scale area. And the problems before the wreck? How do you explain the smoke and sparks that came from the 00 right before he wrecked? Not from a bump. I am no expert in these cars, but I do know things about them and how to work on them. I have seen weirder things happen than that. And to mention his driving ability, what does he do or don't do differently that everyone else. Bumps people, who don't? Rubs people- who don't? Browe takes his competitors in deep and some people just don't like it. Yes I was wrong about how many races he started. And yes he did deserve the pole. But really, how hard is it to lose a race with the driving capability that he has? Easy. Almost anyone who starts pole can win. I can verify that I seen Browe start dead last on finish top 5. It's not just luck to do that, and to do it more than once. I am sorry that we have different opinions but that's all I can say. Oh and I was being sincere when I congradulated you on your wins. You're welcome. And yes he is usuall good at keeping his nose clean. How often do you see him wreck more than ANYONE else? Not very often. And no I am not passing judgements well at least not intentionally.