you can't be mad at Wayne Jelley or Andy Bachetti for taking other drivers out on the track. Both drivers are both spending loads of money on their cars so they are doin anuthing possible to get in victory lane. every driver is dishin out the cash tho get wins and hopefully a championship. some people like to wine about these drivers because they constantly finish in the top of the field. many people boo these two drivers but that isnt always a bad thing. As Dale Easnhardt Senior said, "If people are booin ya, that must ,mean you are doin a pretty good job and people are recognizing you"

so the point is, dont be cry babies just because your driver doest win. you just gotta have faith your guy will win the next one

Thankk youu. That is the point i've been trying to get accross to people for the past many weeks on here but they don't lsiten or just don't care. The only thing i just don't agree on is how they are taking the people out. They may be getting noticed but it's not the right way to get noticed. They should be respecting other drivers and driving the right way. But they both have spent tons of money and is the reason they have been driving the way they've been driving.

Okay ... now let's look at it from a more realistic point of view.

A guy shoots down to 15 feet above the berm at the inside hifax of turns 3 and 4.

As he is coming out of turn 4, the car slides up to 3 feet off the outer wall ... coming into the straight.

This pattern is repeated lap after lap after lap.

He comes up on a car as he enters the turn, he dives down and comes sliding back to 3 feet from the outside wall ... just like the other laps.

The only trouble is that, this time, the guy who was in front of him ... the one he dove under ... is now occupying the area from 4 feet off the wall to 10 feet off the wall.

They cars crash together then into the wall.

No matter how you want to slice it, the guy coming up knows that he's going to come too close to the wall to leave room for anyone else, and that he's going to be cutting dead in front of someone or slamming them into the wall.

I exagerated the dimensions to highlight the point, but the fact isn't changed ... it's still their fault.

I understand what you're saying and will admit that the majority of the time the guy thinks he can keep it low enough to leave room, and it just doesn't work out that way. A drop of fluid in the wrong place ... a tire going soft ... a clump of mud in the wrong place ... shi-t happens.

But ... as long as people can be hurt or killed, each driver should take as much responsibility as possible and do everything they can to avoid making contact with anything on the track.

Unless my mother-in-law is on the track. (Just kidding ... I don't have one).

If you not willing to risk your life out there racing then i dont think you should be racing. Not saying that racing isnt a safe sport, cause it can be but we all know that the cars may contact one another once in a while and they can be accidents...not all are on purpose. But i'm sure it wasnt his intention to slide up the track a few feet and hit the other car. He only wanted to pass him.

Thank God you don't race.

I'm all for some loose cannon risking his own life and making himself into a human sacrifice ... if that's what he really wants to do.

You're missing the point.

The other 30 guys in the race have a right to not be wrecked or injured by his overzealous actions.

If they wanted to be part of a demolition derby, they'd go to the county fair ... not to the speedway.

You have this ill-concieved notion that, if you want to win, anything you do to get there is acceptable. You may as well get used to the fact that it's not and that you're wrong.

What you want to see is called "cannonball".

Amen gasketcase.....you are so articulate....I couldn't have said it better myself. While you are racing there will be times when you get bumped, pushed, rubbed or shoved that is to be expected. but it is not to be expected when some guy crams you into the wall because you were in his way getting to victory lane or crams you in the rear, so on and so forth. Racing is a risk, no questions asked there, but it is also a sport that people spend a lot of time, money and dedication on and it is mostly about respect. You have to respect other drivers and that there are people on that track besides yourself. The thought or idea of "i am going to win and I don't care who i take out to get there or how i get there, is unacceptable!!" good job gasketcase...

It just annoys me when they make excuses for what I call "dirty" driving.

Who's the winningest driver in track history? Tremont.

How many times have you seen Tremont knock someone out of his way to get to the front? Never.

Even Hearn ... granted he does tap from behind ... ever so lightly ... but I never saw him slam someone into the wall to win, the way we've seen Andy do several times in the past 2 seasons.

The bottom line is that, if you have the skill to win, you don't need to take out the competition. Anyone can win a race if they're the last car running.

Now in life itself ... I like the philosophy. I may bring a fully automatic assault rifle to the track and kill off all of you so I can have Nina for myself.