Shadow, I know that people are coming down on you pretty hard right now - I would like to say that it isn't nice and it isn't fair. The personal attacks should not take place. However, playing the devil's advocate, when you post something about a driver and how he or she sucks or is cheating, that is also considered a personal attack as well. No driver or crew member can take it when they themselves or their driver is being attacked. Not only attacked, but stabbed in the back.

I think that what I am trying to say is that any form of verbal abuse is unfair. Whether we think someone is cheating or not or a rough driver - Remember that there are always 2 or more sides to the story.

It may be your right to speak you mind an opinion freely, but we must remember that the people who respond may not be quite able to control their tongues either. I would like to say as a fellow poster that I am sorry for the personal attacks that have been heaped upon you. But, we must remember that our non-response to these posts is our ability to be the bigger person in the end.

PPCMMS post: Shadow, I know that people are coming down on you pretty hard right now - I would like to say that it isn't nice and it isn't fair. The personal attacks should not take place. However, playing the devil's advocate, when you post something about a driver and how he or she sucks or is cheating, that is also considered a personal attack as well. No driver or crew member can take it when they themselves or their driver is being attacked. Not only attacked, but stabbed in the back. I think that what I am trying to say is that any form of verbal abuse is unfair. Whether we think someone is cheating or not or a rough driver - Remember that there are always 2 or more sides to the story. It may be your right to speak you mind an opinion freely, but we must remember that the people who respond may not be quite able to control their tongues either. I would like to say as a fellow poster that I am sorry for the personal attacks that have been heaped upon you. But, we must remember that our non-response to these posts is our ability to be the bigger person in the end.

PPCMMS...it is quite alright...I know that I am the topic of discussion now and that I am the hated one at the moment and it really is okay. i am okay with that. I know i have repeated this over and over but I haver never seen it the way you and others look at it when it comes to opinions on drivers, although some may be talking about them on a personal level, i really try not to do that...i am just talking about them at the track. I don't personally know rob or anything about him privately...I was asked if i thought he cheated and i responded. and then when the personal attacks were made i responded with how i thought he was a cocky driver...NOT a person. But your right if you look at it both ways i guess you could see it as a personal attack...but i wasn't looking at it that way...like when i said jeff kelly was out of control and drove like an idiot, i didn't mean that he was like that off the track but i can see how it can be interpreted that way. I would never insult rob or his crew on a personal level, such as your cheating on your wife, you do drugs, your a loser, your fat, your a scumbag...THOSE THINGS TO ME ARE PERSONAL ATTACKS...AND THE BIGGEST KICKER IS TO SAY OH IT REFLECTS ON THE PEOPLE I KNOW AT THE VALLEY WHEN THEY ARE DOING IT THEMSLEVES AND THAT IT COULD BE RESORTED TO RETALIATION AGAINST DRIVERS, THAT IS JUST TAKING IT TOOO FAR. And then i even get jumped on for saying he has talent and great skill, which he does but that doesn't change my opinion of how i feel about other areas. And you see that is why i am the focus on here ppcmms, because i won't lie, i won't two face and i wont' stab in the back....if i said those things why on earth would I EVER go down to the trailer and ask for a shirt or even go with someone who does? WHY i can't imagine why someone would do that, but i am sure there are people who do and that would constitue back stabbing. As i said i see your point, i see harmony 777s point and i don't want to fight or be enemies with any of these people of whom most i don't even know..unfortunately i let them get a rise out of me because of the personal your a fat bitch remarks and your brother blah blah blah,,,for example when valleygrl posted that she and the great aunt were HUGE fans of yetmans...for me to say "you got that right, you certainly are huge" would be a complete insult and degrading and i wouldn't do that...i don't have to even explain....but like i said it is all good and i am good with all of it. I will keep my posts to a positive level and when asked about a vote i will state an answer and nothing more, no comments, just short and sweet. thankyou for the words and your advice..it is committed to mind and memory...

Shadow, I think you could be a good person outside of this track or sport. However, I well know that this is a HIGHLY PASSIONATE sport. I often have to pull my own little claws in before I go too far.

I wish you luck - May the force be with you - LOL

contrary to popular belief, i am a good person at the track, off the track or at any other sport. to degrade or insult me is one thing, i will deal with it, always have...I have a medical thyroid issue so any time conflict comes up...THE FIRST THING THEY WANT TO THROW AT ME IS OVERWEIGHT OR FAT REMARKS BECAUSE THAT IS THE MENTALITY. but anyway things can be said on here, at the track or wherever about me, but when you bring other innocent people into it and make threats, that is a whole nother story that i am no longer willing to get into.....