Muslim's painful truth
September 5 2004 at 3:08 AM

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Muslims' painful truth
The main perpetrators of terrorism are Muslims, says leading Arab writer

CAIRO

IMAGES of dead, wounded and traumatised Russian children being carried from the scene of a school siege horrified Middle-Eastern Muslims, prompting forthright self-criticism yesterday.

It also sparked fresh concerns about an international backlash against Islam and its followers.

Arab leaders, Muslim clerics and parents across the Middle East denounced the school siege that left more than 320 people dead, many of them children, as unjustifiable.

Some warned that such actions damage Islam's image more than all its enemies could hope for. Even some supporters of Islamic militancy condemned it, though at least one insisted Muslims were not behind it.

'Holy warriors' from the Middle East have long supported fellow Muslims fighting in Chechnya, and Russian officials said nine or 10 Arabs were among militants killed when commandos stormed the Beslan school in southern Russia on Friday to end a siege that began on Wednesday by rebels demanding Chechen independence.

Middle East security officials, speaking on condition of anony- mity, said it was too early to know the nationalities of the Arabs among the dead militants. However, a prominent Arab journalist wrote that Muslims must acknowledge the painful fact that Muslims are the main perpetrators of terrorism.

'Our terrorist sons are an end-product of our corrupted culture,' Mr Abdulrahman Al-Rashed, general manager of Al-Arabiya television, wrote in his daily column published in the pan-Arab Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper.

It ran under the headline, The Painful Truth: All the World Terrorists are Muslims!

Mr Rashed ran through a list of recent attacks by Islamic extremist groups - in Russia, Iraq, Sudan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen - many of which are influenced by the ideology of Osama bin Laden, the Saudi-born leader of Al-Qaeda terror network.

'Most perpetrators of suicide operations in buses, schools and residential buildings around the world for the past 10 years have been Muslims,' he wrote.

Muslims will be unable to cleanse their image unless 'we admit the scandalous facts', rather than offer condemnations or justifications.

'The picture is humiliating, painful and harsh for all of us,' he said.

Arab TV stations repeatedly aired footage of terrified young survivors being carried from the school siege scene, while pictures of dead and wounded children ran on the front pages of Saturday's Arab newspapers.

Mr Ahmed Bahgat, an Egyptian Islamist, wrote in his column in Egypt's leading pro-government newspaper Al-Ahram that the images 'showed Muslims as monsters who are fed by the blood of children and the pain of their families'.

'If all the enemies of Islam united together and decided to harm it... they wouldn't have ruined and harmed its image as much as the sons of Islam have done by their stupidity, miscalculations and misunderstanding of the nature of this age,' Mr Bahgat wrote.

Other Islamists were more cautious in their criticism.

Mohammed Mahdi Akef, leader of Egypt's largest Islamic group, the outlawed Muslim Brotherhood, said the siege did not fit the Islamic concept of jihad, or holy war, but took care not to characterise it as terrorism.

'What happened...is not jihad because our Islam obligates us to respect the souls of human beings,' he said. 'Real jihad should target occupiers of our lands only like the Palestinian and Iraqi resistance.'

Mr Ali Abdullah, an Islamic scholar in Bahrain who follows the ultra-conservative Salafi stream of Islam, condemned the school attack as 'un-Islamic' but insisted Muslims were not behind it.

'I have no doubt in my mind that this is the work of the Israelis who want to tarnish the image of Muslims and are working alongside Russians who have their own agenda against the Muslims in Chechnya,' said Mr Abdullah, reviving an old conspiracy theory altered to fit any situation.

Salafism and its similarly conservative kin, Wahhabism, which is widely observed in Saudi Arabia, are accused by critics of fostering extremism.

Some contributors to Islamic websites known for their extremist content praised the separatists and predicted that the Islamic fighters across Egypt would avenge the killings of Muslims elsewhere.

Heads of state from around the region condemned the attack. It struck a chord with parents, including Jordan's King Abdullah II, who denounced it on state-run television.

'As a father, I can tell you that all the fathers and mothers in Jordan pray humbly to God to stand by their counterparts in Russia in their grief,' said the king, whose wife is expecting their fourth child.

Mr Mohammed Saleh Ebrahim, a 31-year-old Bahraini, described the hostage-takers as 'worse than animals'.

'It's because of these people Muslims and Arabs are getting a bad name around the world,' he said. -- AP



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'If all the enemies of Islam united together and decided to harm it...they wouldn't have ruined and harmed its image as much as the sons of Islam have done by their stupidity, miscalculations and misunderstanding of the nature of this age.'
- MR AHMED BAHGAT, an Egyptian Islamist

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"Mr Ali Abdullah, an Islamic scholar in Bahrain who follows the ultra-conservative Salafi stream of Islam, condemned the school attack as 'un-Islamic' but insisted Muslims were not behind it.

'I have no doubt in my mind that this is the work of the Israelis who want to tarnish the image of Muslims and are working alongside Russians who have their own agenda against the Muslims in Chechnya,' said Mr Abdullah, reviving an old conspiracy theory altered to fit any situation."
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I'm sure its the Israelis.In fact,the Americans are responsible for it as well,funding the terrorists and granting them weapons to slaughter innocent Russians.In fact,Finland is directly responsible for this atrocity because the weapons that these murderers had were smuggled with Finnish help to Thailand which then shipped them to Chechnya.


Get real you stupid clerics.This is a result of indoctrination by the more extreme schools of Islam to KILL THE INFIDEL,UNBELIEVER AND ANYBODY ELSE WHO DOESN"T WORSHIP ALLAH!This indirectly results from organised religion,a primary reason that drove me to be a freethinker theist.

I hate to sound biblical,but the proverb "You sow what you reap" seems to fit the situation.You sow hatred with your doctrines,you are reaping hatred from other who suffer because of the actions of those who follow your doctrines.While the Russians are guilty of atrocity themselves,at least the majority of them don't go out of their way to harm INNOCENT CHILDREN!

I have a nephew and niece who are the ages of those children who were hostages,and those bastards deserve to die and rot in hell or the the worst prison in the world.To do this to innocent children violates every ethical code of nearly every human society that has ever existed!

Muslims are a peaceful people,but these bunch of idiots are giving Islam an even worse reputation.


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Bharat
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Re: Muslim's painful truth
No score for this post September 5 2004, 3:17 AM

I hope this self-criticism is being felt at the grassroots, not just a few Westernised intellectuals.


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Re: Muslim's painful truth
No score for this post September 5 2004, 6:43 AM

At my school believe it or not, muslim students were actually celebrating about this event....i was disgusted...

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Astyan
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Re: Muslim's painful truth
No score for this post September 5 2004, 7:29 AM

They dared to celebrate the death of over 300 children?

I'd be the first to hit them in such a case, no matter how many they are.

I can't stand assh*les finding happiness in the death of the others.






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Re: Muslim's painful truth
No score for this post September 5 2004, 7:47 AM

In my country (where muslims compose >95% of the population) nobody celebrated that event, and nobody left to curse it either. I am not sure if there are any 'muslim's througout the world that celebrated the event except for the Wahhabi sect.

Islam as in Christianism is composed of different sects, and it is not a mere coincidence that most (if not all) muslim terrorists belong to this sect.

So please do not generalize.

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Astyan
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Re: Muslim's painful truth
No score for this post September 5 2004, 7:52 AM

Where do I generalize? I say that if I was in front of guys celebrating the death of over 300 children (Muslims of not), I'd hit them, even if it's not a very clever act. It's good to fight against racism and generalizations against Muslims, but there is a difference between defending itself and being paranoiac.






Anonymous
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Re: Muslim's painful truth
No score for this post September 5 2004, 8:02 AM

Astyan I did not mean you, and other forumers posted in this thread. It is you who interpreted my call for not making any generalizations as addressed to yourself. We generally use names in the formant @XXXXX when telling something directly to someone. So who is paranoid?

Calm down, we all are trying to share the anguish of Osetian mothers today.

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Anonymous
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Re: Muslim's painful truth
No score for this post September 5 2004, 8:45 AM

Modus,

Unfortunately, these blind extremist hide behind religion and call out that they are doing it in the name the name of Allah. I believe that they would welcome an ever widening circle of racial hate.

Unfortunately......

There is no great Arab leader to step up and denounce these actions. I have not seen a single interview from Mubarik or any other leader proclaiming that the killing of children was a barbaric act that no Muslim should ever take pride in. I am not sure if the Arab leaders are afraid of a backlash from their own or they are secretly cheering these events.

The problem becomes one of perception and misunderstanding. If there are no public outcry or strong denunciations from the Muslim communities and leaders then the Western media and populations will take this as tacit approval.

What I fear will happen is that the next big attack, particularly if it is Europe, will start to galvanize Western nations into a much more dangerously polarized view of the general Muslim population. You know and I know that hate is starting to simmer more openly and a feeding frenzy of hate is not far behind it.

Blind fundamentalism is starting to spread it's cancer of hate.






Astyan
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Re: Muslim's painful truth
No score for this post September 5 2004, 9:14 AM

Modus > I was sure that you was answering me, I don't know why.

Sorry.





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Re: Muslim's painful truth
No score for this post September 5 2004, 10:18 AM

mITRa Where do you live and what school are you in?

I have a very hard time believing that.





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Re: Muslim's painful truth
No score for this post September 5 2004, 10:35 AM


the terrorists are almost entirely salafite wahabis. and this sect almost completely
consists of arabs from the arabian peninsula and a some south and
south east asians.
its these salafites version of islam that allows slaughter of innocents because
they believe the innocent victims will go to heaven immediately - so maybe if these
animals did have some sort of consciousness after all they could tell themselves
there was no real harm done to those shot kids because they go to heaven directly.

V.





cakrabirawa
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Re: Muslim's painful truth
No score for this post September 5 2004, 10:44 AM

and here in Indonesia which the biggest moslem country on earth, all moslem leaders,all the bigest newspaper/media,and my goverment, condemn that tragedy..

btw Mitra, just like kozak i dont belive u too,
i mean c'mon, some moslem celebrating moslem kill each other ( majority ppls in north ossetian is moslem ) is beyond imagination to me..

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No score for this post September 5 2004, 10:46 AM

Sry but i have to say that BOTH sides (in chechenia) act like cowards and barbarians. the russians and the chechens.

did you ever see pictures of grosny? its like a ruin of ancient times.
the russians bombed everything without difference to civilians or terrorists...

and now chechen extremists do the same ****...(with the help of extremist islamists)

the same goes in a different way in Israel/Palestina and in Iraq with the US.


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Mitra, where did this happen? Not in India, was it?

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Om namah Shivaya
La Ilaha Illallah Muhammadur Rasoolullah
Om jai jaga dish hare
Om padme om
Hare krishna
Nanak Nam Chardi Kala, Tere Bhane Sarbat Da Bhala
Our Father, in Heaven, holy be your name, your kingdom come, as it is in heaven, your will be done on Earth........Amen
Ahura Mazda, I don't know what to say, but I love you too, yes Zeus, I love you too.

This clown's name is Mitra???

HAHAHAHAHH!!!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitra

Mitra was an important proto-Indo-Iranian deity. In Indic culture, he appears in the Vedas as Mitra, one of the Adityas, a solar deity and the god of honesty, friendship, and contracts. In Iranian civilization, where his name was rendered as Mithra, he later came into increased prominence as a major deity of Zoroastrianism.

In both cultures, he is distinguished by his close relationship with the god who rules over the asuras (Iranic ahuras) and protects rta (Iranic asha): Varuna in India and Ahura Mazda in Iran.

The Hellenistic and Roman god Mithras, worshipped by male initiates from the 1st century BC to the 5th century AD, combined the Persian Mithra with other Persian and perhaps Anatolian deities in a syncretic cult.



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