You said "I am sure a smart fellow like you can recognize that you are not going to influence them to do what you want by yelling at them. It hasn't worked, has it?"
As I said in the last post, asking nicely hasn't usually worked either. But tell ya what I'll do. I'll repost my request for Saul Kent on behalf of SA, and any Alcor director/manager on behalf of Alcor, to come here and explain in detail to us why their respective organizations do not currently use liquid ventilation in their standby/stabilization protocol, and I will do it nice and politely. Then we will see what happens. I bet nothing. Wanna bet, since you think they will answer if asked in a pleasant atmosphere? OK, if one of them does that, I'll send ya $10 for a Bell Taco lunch. If they both do, $20 for a Ruby's Tuesday one. Or whatever eating place or just pocket the dough. You'll have to email me your address for me to send an anonymous money order tho. Now, if neither of them answer, you get to donate $20 to CF's owner to help keep the ads off the forum - he takes Paypal I believe - or if he doesn't want any money we'll figure out something else for you to give to. Deal?
"You could start by joining an organiztion, going to meetings, that kind of thing. Maybe even make yourself useful. If you are useful, people will take you more seriously. So long as you just stand outside yelling insults, what do you expect?"
Alcor's Board did not take seriously a long-term cryonics volunteer and advocate, Dave Pizer, who recently tried to get them to meaningfully negotiate some rights for Alcor members. They didn't when he asked nicely, and they didn't when he yelled. Why do you think they would act any differently towards me? Nonetheless, how I approach things is my choice. Not yours, Sally.
"You think I am a PR person acting on behalf of cryonics? This is really silly."
I didn't say that, Sally, you just did. Gives me even more reason now for thinking it is probably true, though.
"Isn't this very insulting to Mr. Wowk?"
I don't see why it would be. He's a very well paid direct report of Kent's, running one of the Kent Group's labs. Are you so naive to think that he would act and speak independently as an Alcor board member, giving no regard at all to Kent's expressed opinions and positions? I'm not. Additionally, neither one of them belong on Alcor's board, it being a direct conflict of interest working for a conglomerate that offers standby services in competition with Alcor.
"If you agree, then why do you need to insult people by calling them "lackeys"? I really think you should try to separate the facts from the name calling."
I'm sorry - I meant to say "subservient generously-compensated employees entirely beholden to Mr. Kent".
"If you agree Kent has lost millions on cryonics, what are his plots FOR, please? If he is already rich from another business, why would he be trying to get rich in cryonics? Please explain to me so that you don't have to insult me for being inattentive again."
Perhaps after you have been around for a while and learned more, you will be able to explain Mr. Kent to me. I certainly can't figure him out. It is possible, though, he just wants more millions to sock away in his "Reanimation Foundation" in Liechtenstein.
"Well if you want people to take you seriously as a critic..."
Sally, I don't give a rat's hiney whether they do or not. It is enough for me to get people to think on their own, and question what is going on in cryonics. Any pleasure I might get is if any questions actually get answered without spin. Any practical results I might like to get are tangible improvements in cryonics and its organizations, which will eventually benefit you and me.
Good evening,
FD
This message has been edited by Finance_Department on May 14, 2008 11:11 PM
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