here is why it mattersJune 17 2009 at 8:40 AM
unperson (Login unperson)
Response to I got the point, UnRev.
yes, the universe is not affected by our decisions. But our futures are. If you or I assume that the universe will not allow immortality, we may very well then make sure decision based on that assumption. If it turns that that the universe DOES allow for immortality, then that will have been a faulty assumption, and our decisions based on that faulty assumption may FORECLOSE immortality for you or me. Restated, we may LOSE immortality because we made a decision based on a faulty assumption. Since possible immortality has the highest possible values of things possible, then we should assume that immortality may be possible and make our future decisions based on that premise, so as not to lose possible immortality.
previously, I wrote:
"And by doing so, we may save billions of lives, including our own. If we allow for the POSSIBILITY of immortality, then that also allows christians to integrate cryonics into their worldviews via the mechanisms that I discussed above in this thread."
in reply, you wrote:
Why? Because their minds are made up. You were one of the rare ones who managed to escape the mind slavery and washing. There are not many like you, compared to the millions of religious adherents. They aren't going to change their ideas of going to heaven, to going to be reanimated from cryopreservation, any time soon, actually never.
my reply is:
the only way that the vast majority can deal with the idea of beating death is via the ideas in the bible, via the power of a deity.
If we want to save their own lives, and possibly obtain immortality via science, then we have to do via the bible.
And if they believe in the bible, then to be a good christian, they must be good cryonicists. After all, their own bible does tell them that that those who are followers of jesus will live forever on the land as their reward. Not in heaven, but on the land. The bible tells them that jesus is fighting a final battle, one against death. The bible tells them that jesus want them to go forth here on earth and raise the dead. The bible tells them that god helps those who help themselves.
The bible thus tells christians to be cryonicists and that in doing so they will be serving jesus and their reward will be immortality.
We cryonicists are fighting a battle against death and trying to raise the dead. And if we are successful, and if the universe allows immortality, then we will fulfill the biblical prophecy and we will have been acting as jesus wanted us to act. And we will be immortal, through science, yes. But god helps those who help themselves. That is the bible talking. So if we are made immortal via science, then who is to say that it was not the work of a god?
Now, we do not know if the universe will allow immortality via science. We do not yet understand enough about the universe to say whether that is possible. We don't really know the full nature of the universe itself. We should not be hubristic and arrogant and prideful and assume that we yet have the knowledge to fully understand all that the universe is. We are as babes in the woods when it comes to understanding what the universe really is.
Thus we should allow for the possibility of immortality via science.
And if we do allow that immortality may yet be possible--via science--then if we do not use the bible to reach out to christians, and convince them to be cryonicists, then we are condemning them to death--if immortality via science turns out to be possible. Again, that is still up in the air, undecided.
Also, by not reaching out to christians via the bible, we are possibly condemning ourselves to death as well. You see, cryonics will probably not make it unless we can go mainstream at some point in the near future. Thrive or die.
We can thrive by using the bible to reach the christian majority.