For review:

http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dfhngbfv_91cgq66nhr

In an effort to throw out a couple line items to gain interest out there- If it looks as though it is going to take us several decades to get cryonics into a hospital then we should take over the medical establishment. Not the entire establishment, but we can start with facilities such as outpatient surgery clinics, MRI and hospice facilities. The way to pay for facilities and medical professionals is that you use them fully for what they are designed for and not let those capabilities sit around most of the time as is the case in cryonics. The focus should be non-emergency procedures so that appointments can be canceled for a cryonics case. There are other items we can review as well such as what will it take to change the laws for The Society for Cryobiology that states members cannot work in the field of cryonics, establishing medically qualified SOPs, redefining death, etc. By creating an open format for debate we attract a wider community of individuals (cryonicists, non-cryonicists, college students who will be our future doctors and hospital administrators) to put their heads together and debate the pros and cons. What we need to do here is create a roadmap and a plan of action. Then start to cross off those line items over the years as these milestones are accomplished, and as they are crossed off we can focus more of our energy for that which remains such as riving our members back to a productive life.

Mathew

It might not take several decades to see cryonics done in a hospital. Heck, we've already seen hospital personnel on request, pack ice and inject heparin. Maybe some other stuff I've missed.

But to me, hospitals are not important. In fact, I dislike the whole scene. Cadavers would fit well into a hospital environment, though, for when you admit to a hospital, you check your rights and preferences at the desk by the girl who asks for your insurance card. You need no live or active brain. You want a med you usually take? It is at the mercy of some doctor you probably haven't even met. You want something for the pain? You'll have to wait for approval. You want any services? You must sign everything; waste of time to read. And then of course there are the superbugs prowling about and reproducing in every nook and cranny. And often uncaring personnel mainly waiting out the clock to go home and watch the telly-vue.

OK, rant over on that. If somebody deanimates in a hospital, that would logically be the place to go with a fully-equipped remote/field vitrification unit, to set up and go to work. Said unit's use would not of course be confined to merely hospitals.

I just love Mathew's idea to have a self-supporting medical facility where the personnel are also trained to do cryonics cases which would take priority over the others when they rarely occur. Where are our affluent investors here, who could make this happen? In a locality where many cryonicists live, would be ideal.

IMO, the Society for Cryobiology can be ignored/bypassed by forward-thinking cryobiologists, just as easily as any cryonics organization can be ignored/bypassed if they do not focus, this coming year, on Remote/Field Vitrification.

Every locality is different, and every cryonicist's needs are different in terms of where they are and what resources are around them. Some have no resources around them, cryonics-wise. Are they going to change their whole lives and move to where there are more cryonicists or a HQ? Some may. Some won't or can't. Remote/field vitrification is an idea that can be adapted to probably a majority of cryonicists, using different transportation methods and operating arenas. Hospitals are only one.

Thanks FD. In my view the business model of cryonics as well as the old-guard leadership is in a state of obsolescence. My hope is that more individuals will step up to a progressive plate to fill the void of leadership that exists in cryonics today. The participation of the old-guard leadership is welcomed and encouraged, but not necessary if others out there are willing help fill the gap.

I would also suggest those in cryonics providing medically related services that lack qualifications and willingness to work on living human beings and send them home when appropriate are not qualified to work on me as a cryonics patient.

Also, a practicing surgeon noted that we should be able to pre-cannulate femorals of terminal patients, so that once the patient is pronounced we can begin blood washout without delay which is the norm in cryonics today.