Unless Mr. King wants to, he is not obligated to respond about and discuss in public any specific interest, involvement or arrangements, if any, re: cryonics. That's his private business. As far as I know, we have no right to mind it in this circumstance.
If you persist in believing that a severed head is dead meat whereas a frozen body is not, perhaps you are referring to the deaths of billions of trillions of nonsentient cells around the world every day. Quite the holocaust indeed, if you aren't counting sentience into the equation.
Each day you are killing about 300 billion of your cells by living. All your non-nerve cells will be dead within a year, and replaced with perfect clones. (About 100 trillion.)
How many memories are you prepared to sacrifice to use "non-cloned" limbs and organs? All of them?
Freezing without careful cryoprotection turns tissue into hamburger. The brain is the only irreplacable organ... You have to give it the best possible cryoprotection, even at the cost of all the other limbs and organs, otherwise you take a huge risk that the person coming back will be more like an identical twin rather than your true self -- a person with no actual memories or shared identity other than what it might read in your diaries.
As to the rest of the organs and limbs, why should we care if they are cloned? They don't impact identity. They are just nonsentient tools, to keep the brain alive.
[Note: I am using the term "clone" in a general way. What I mean is, you can take a cell and e.g. grow an arm from it, or a liver -- not a whole baby or adult. Most likely nanomachines will be able to just look at a piece of DNA and rapidly construct a given organ from it, rather than relying on natural biological processes. Or perhaps the first version will be printer-like aparatus that uses cultured stem cells... There is a pretty good chance we will have something that works to create organs within 50-100 years, well before we are taking people out of cryostasis.]
ever lose a loved one?
it doesn't give u a headache...
hurts right about where your spleen is,
or where the golden thread is attached. (near death experience)
I would like to keep most of my nervous system, just in case.
You can be sure - Your stomach is your "Second Brain"
July 15 2009, 12:51 PM
Scientists discover 'second brain' in the stomach
Scientists are claiming to have discovered a second brain - in the human stomach.
The breakthrough, involving experts in the US and Germany, is believed to play a major part in the way people behave.
This 'second brain' is made up of a knot of brain nerves in the digestive tract. It is thought to involve around 100 billion nerve cells - more than held in the spinal cord.
Researchers believe this belly brain may save information on physical reactions to mental processes and give out signals to influence later decisions. It may also be responsible in the creation of reactions such as joy or sadness.
The entire article is at: http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_105441.html
The thing is your gut can function like a brain without necessarily having memories like a brain. Or the memories might not be ones that are relavent to your personality. There could be important memories that are also stored in the brain, for example in the Limbic System (which processes emotions).
If you grow a whole new gut, you might find that you like a different kind of ice cream or pizza. Could be a very personal loss, or a new experience depending how you think about it. But if the knowledge of your liking a certain kind of ice cream is stored in the brain (and it should be) the newly cloned gut could be modified by an advanced software-nanotech combination to make it more like the old one. Note that genetic preference for a certain kind of ice cream or pizza will be there in the new gut anyway... This would matter for learned preferences only.
The only advantage I can see of freezing your gut and spinal cord is that in case part of the brain was damaged, a smart enough AI program could go into the gut and find the information needed to fill in the cracks. So you would come back with a more complete sense of who you originally were. Maybe some particular feeling you got at a particular time, liking or disliking a certain person, that sort of thing.
There is a spectrum of ways you could come back, ranging from exactly like you were, to a memory-blank identical twin of your former self with nothing in common other than DNA and appearance. I think that if you have your whole brain in decent condition and a smart enough AI, you can probably come back exactly like your original self (minus aging, disease, trauma, etc.)
I find it hard to believe that Steve has not been made aware of my post. If nothing else, there is the secret "Alcor Advisors" list, and Steve is still listed on Alcor's site as an Alcor Advisor. Whatever the feck that is supposed to be, since Alcor's inbred Board doesn't really need any outside advice.
Maybe he knows too much, is horrified of it, and no longer wishes to put his name on it?
For those who have not yet learned to be skeptical, I will warn you that that claim is utter nonsense. 10 billion cells would not be missed by pathologists who have spent many decades examining every square mm of human tissue under microscopes.
I guess I should qualify my previous statement now that I've done a little more reading. I won't edit the original post I made. What I primarily objected to was that the article claimed that the nerve cells were a "new discovery". They are not. We've known about those cells for a long long time. It would be nearly impossible for us not to have known. That was the main point I was trying to make.
This message has been edited by jordansparks on Jul 17, 2009 1:16 PM
The Church of Nanotechnology promising their own particular cultish brand of micromiracles. "Most likely" "Perhaps the first version" "Pretty good chance....50-100 years" I know this road very well. It doesn't wash with me. I'll only listen to those who say "I don't know." Headchopping=very bad publicity, scandal sheet fodder, community nimby campaigns, ad nauseum. Whole body vitrification or other better technique plus a professional non-guinea pig attitude about those wanting the chance is better than the alternative so weakly preached here. My heresy to nanotheology and proud of it!
Well, living cells are nanotech. I don't know how long it will take to replicate, but I don't doubt it will happen. Computer tech keeps on doubling. I don't know how long it will keep doing so, but every time it does that makes more things possible. More things are possible this year than last year. Stem cell tech is going forward.
Seperating head from the body does not destroy information. Destroying the body is not destroying sentient data, to the best of our ability to determine. This is unlike the brain, where when a part of it is damaged the conscious processes are messed up -- very strong indicator there.
People may feel that neuroseperation is killing the patient. But their reason for feeling this is not because it is anywhere near likely to be true. It's probably because usually people without heads are dead -- evolved response maybe. (Corpses tend to rot, carry disease, thus kill people.)
Whole-body is great -- if there is no incidental neuro damage. The more practice and the more controlled conditions the better, absolutely. I doubt it is as easy as you are thinking, but if you want to work towards making it better, I wholeheartedly approve.
I think he's completely serious about it. He starts off commenting that people try to tell him what to do in life, and now they want to tell him what to do in death. He probably only takes a semi-lighthearted joking tone because he assumes other people will think he's wacky otherwise. I expect he's seriously considering it, based on his body language and intonation.
I can totally see that being the case. Seems like he is at least serious about considering it. Whether he is serious enough to go through with it remains to be seen... Hopefully he will get a contract in place soon if hasn't already.