Ed, if that dog is, who I think it is, I haven't seen him since he left here as a little guy. Again, I'm not certain but I have a good idea which pup this is. A fella from up north, Michigan maybe, bought two littermate brothers by ELhew Phantom out of Bo'Darc Daisy Mae, one black and white and one liver and white. He then eventually sold these two males to Harold Boyett of Alabama and it appears that Harold sold Glover the liver male. One thing I do have to say, if this is the same dog from the above story, at least his pedigree is right. Funny thing, if you look at all of Glover's dogs, he has more Phantom offspring than I do. That's OK though, as I've stated previously before either to those in person, over the phone or on this forum, it's NOT my intentions to linebreed Elhew to Elhew. Yes these are much more marketable animals, no doubloe about it but NOT better dogs in my opinion. The bottom line is you have to feed what You like and then just go with it, and I personally like 'em with LOTZ of Fiddler and Guard Rail and a wee bit of Elhew.....and I'm starting to gather a crowd of like-minded folks, if ya know what I mean!
Back to the dog of this topic, ain't he a looker!!! That's a typical Daisy Mae offspring....now you all can see why I'm so stoked about this upcoming litter out of her by her uncle George, one of THE MOST outstanding wild bird dogs any of us could ever see on the ground!!!!
Tony Davis...can maybe shed a little light on this story for us and make any corrections that I may have made that are not exactly right.
I have a Dan pup....I don't field trial, but I have been told by those who have, and have been successful, that he has all the looks, style and bird sense it takes to do well. I know I am extremely proud to have him in my kennel. I'll see what I can do about finding and posting a picture.
I have been pouring through the posts reading about your breeding program because it is very interesting. I believe what you write about crossing Elhew with Fiddler and Guardrail to produce "better" dogs.
I am breeding the dog mentioned above to Strut in a few days. He is a Blackhawk son and I consider him to be a Fiddler cross for my Elhew bred bitch. I'm pretty excited about the potential, but only time will tell.
I can certainly see where my dog gets her style though. Phantom and Daisy Mae were striking animals.
Congrats on your breeding program. Your dogs look fantastic!
Ross...Here is some more info about Daisy Mae. Let me start with Daisy's pedigree.
Rail's Double Guard, "Roxie" was a dog I bought from Wade Taylor of Arkansas. She was a full sister to his Indian Mound Rowdy. Roxie was a very nice dog, super nose and lots of talent. She was bred to Bo'Darc Fiddlin Rail, "Ogg". I owned both Ogg and Roxie but this litter was not whelped and raised here. Two dogs of interest were whelped from this litter. Crosswhite's George, "George" and Ogg's First Brake, "Amy". George proved to be a sensational wild bird dog, one of Kenny Crosswhite's jewels, if you will. Although I know very litter about Amy, I do know that she was trialed, along with her sire in the Mo-Kan region of NSTRA. Ogg was a multiple Champion. I don't know Amy's tally but she did place some. Here is a picture of Bo'Darc Fiddlin Rail to the right and Ogg's First Brake, to the left.
The Mo-Kan region also sported another dog that was quite a competitor, Doc Dudley. Dudley's sire is a dog unknown to me, but his dam, Stearn's Belle was a full sister-possible littermate to Big Delivery. Amy was bred to Dudley. This mating then produced Daisy Mae. I didn't have Daisy as a pup and she never had the chance to really be a good field dog. If my memory serves me correctly, I recieved her in heat and was directed to breed her to Phantom. Again serving only on memory, I believe Dan was from this first mating of Daisy to Phantom. This mating was such a nick that it was done two more times for a total of 3 matings of Daisy to Phantom. She was just destined to be a brood bitch I guess. Here are some pictures of Doc Dudley.
My comment in the prior response Daisy was a looker and produced some nice pups for me, but thats about all I can say about her, was not intended as a slam on Daisy. It's just that I didn't have much experience with her as a gun dog before she was bred. This does not happen here now. EVERYTHING is tested in the field before I breed them. They don't neccesarily have to be completely finished to make the final cut but they for sure have to have talent and potential before I bred them. I can't say that about Daisy as she never got a chance. It's sure not her fault and if I was to speculate, I would say she would have been a great dog in the field. Yeah she pointed and let me take some pictures of her but I just didn't have enough field time with her as I would have liked. Again no slam on Daisy, she was the real deal, but just didn't get the chance to show her stuff. Hope that helps....Here are some pups from the Daisy-Phantom matings.
"Your legacy should be that you made it better than it was when you got it."
I really appreciate the information and pictures. I love this stuff! I found your forum while searching google for Phantom and I'm glad I did. I really enjoyed the "Tale/Tail" thread.
What's cool about NSTRA is that you can plug a dog's name in and find out everything instantly. The two male dogs were 4x Champions and the female you mentioned had 5 placements.
Here's a better picture of Sarah pointing a wild covey here in SC and another of her backing a silhouette a few weeks ago in training. You can see the difference in her tail between the two as you mentioned in the other thread.
Nice dog Ross....above is pictured Caladen Elhew Sarah. She is the South Carolina NBHA 2007 Derby Dog of the Year. Not too shabby. They don't give those Dog of the Year titles away....they are earned from lots of hours and miles invested in a dog....and it sure helps to have the right dog!
"Your legacy should be that you made it better than it was when you got it."
Ross....your very correct in that statement. Most of the time I don't see the "big" picture with some of the breeding that are made here. Dogs leave, I loose track of them and every once in awhile, a story like yours comes up and I get to think "huh...what if"?
I am glad you're here with us on our forum and I'm glad the forum is still around for us to network with each other.....
"Your legacy should be that you made it better than it was when you got it."
Gary...i'm gonna guess you tried to post a picture and i'm gonna say it didn't fly. If you were trying to post a pic, you can e-mail it to me and I'll get it on the forum for ya.....Mike
Mike, you were correct in assuming I am not savvy enough to get a
picture posted by myself.
Cactus Hill Willie is 21 months old in this picture(Feb '07). Did
outstanding on wild birds as well as flight conditioned birds on this,
his first season in front of clients. I am not sure what is going on
with the saber tail pose, He normally has a poker straight tail on
both wild and pen raised birds...(btw: he is on pen raised birds in
this picture)
In keeping with the thread, he is a product of Yellow Rose Dan, and a
daughter of Elhew Cassidy x Miss Blackeyed Susan(as I recall, she was
one of the Yellow Rose females)
Willie got lots of experience on wild birds this season...as one of my
premier birdfinders, as well as pulling duty on my friend's hunting rig
when he was booked and I didn't have a trip...we like to take plenty
of dogs...they're running in loose sand lots of the time, and the south
Texas sun and heat really can take a toll on them, as much of our
season is quite warm. I am proud to say, he really shined on almost
all of those trips...everybody has an off day every now and then...but
Willie's star is just rising, and I hope to be able to hunt with him
for a long time to come.
Gary
Here's Willie
"Your legacy should be that you made it better than it was when you got it."
I have a litter mate to Dan. One of my alltime favorite dogs. She is as pretty a pointer as you'll find. I have bred her to a dog out of big Delivery and Susans Joy a couple of times. All pups turned out nice except for the last litter and every dog has a timid problem around people. I think something happened while they were young pups around the kennel to cause this(reinforcing the importance of the biosensor method) I am in West Virginia but some of her pups have been working as guide dogs in OK. Here are some photos of her offspring.
I just copied the link and pasted it into the message. Your link was messed up.
Does anyone else see the similarity in these dogs? Gee wiz!
For those that saw Phantom run, was he a pretty stylish dog on the ground? ...and what was his range like? Sarah is the most stylish dog I have ever owned and she runs like the wind. I ran her in a few local horseback trials when we weren't running NBHA and she seemed to love it.
