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Curt Youngs

So Max™, tell me:

November 1 2008, 12:10 PM 

we think we know what energy does. What do you think energy is?

 
 
Max™

Re: Can Time Exist Without Matter?

November 2 2008, 11:00 AM 

Energy is the effect we observe when spacetime unfurls.

A better question would be, what is spacetime?

Energy in all it's forms is merely stresses and tensions and motion within a body of spacetime.

 
 
Curt Youngs

So Max™, tell me:

November 3 2008, 6:00 AM 

Is the entire future all balled up in your wad? You imply this in your "unfurling"

Max™ said: Energy is the effect we observe when spacetime unfurls.

What an Imagination!

 
 
Curt Youngs

Re: Can Time Exist Without Matter?

November 11 2008, 12:59 PM 

Bob S. said: "Our very existence as humans depends on electrical current (and by default a magnetic field) why is it so hard for others to understand that electromagnetic forces far exceed the weak force of gravity. Gravity is a sub-force of electromagnetism."

Curt says: I think I agree. I am not sure there is really an explanation for energy or inertia, other than what they do.

 
 
Max™

Re: Can Time Exist Without Matter?

November 11 2008, 4:17 PM 

Yes, the entire future state of the universe, and the past state, all of time, exists.

The illusion of time passing is due to the way we are embedded in spacetime. Relativity attempts to explain that, if you understood anything about the theory, you would know this.

You do not, clearly.

 
 
bob s

Re: Can Time Exist Without Matter?

November 11 2008, 6:50 PM 

Re: Curt, Can Time Exist Without Matter? November 11 2008, 12:59 PM

Curt,
"Curt says: I think I agree. I am not sure there is really an explanation for energy or inertia, other than what they do."

Not knowing might not be a bad thing Curt, we can barely handle splitting the atom.

bob s

 
 
Max™

Re: Can Time Exist Without Matter?

November 12 2008, 10:58 AM 

We can do a lot more than barely explain it.

There is an explanation for energy and inertia, I've tried to give it to you, I gave it in terms which were too complex apparently.

 
 
Curt Youngs

Re: Can Time Exist Without Matter?

November 21 2008, 4:44 AM 

We're sure that your explanation works very well in your Origami Universe, Max, but they are too complex to work in reality.

By the way, we're really tired of your smarmy, smug, condescending attitude. We did go to college, we do have a concept of logic and physics, We see what you are blinded to see. None of your approach is going to change our minds, until you can be logical too. We're not going away or shutting up. So, if you don't like it, go to the corner and cry.

 
 
Israel Sadovnik

Re: Can Time Exist Without Matter?

November 21 2008, 5:22 AM 

Time. /My opinion./
===== ===.

There are two kinds of time:
a) the proper (individual) time and
b) the planetary time.
They are so familiar that we rarely give them thought.
Don’t we know, that time for living being is limited
and the planetary time is absolute for them ? It is.
Maybe therefore Newton declared that time is absolute.
It “ flows equably without relation to anything external”
he wrote in 1687. But Einstein had another opinion.
He wanted to know: “ Where does the conception of time
come from?”, “ What is the essence of time?”.
And to explain these questions he created two theories:
SRT and GRT and declared that time is relative, changeable.
1.
SRT explains behavior and the proper time of light
quanta /electron. Why do I think so?
a)
One law (postulate) of SRT says that speed of light quanta
is constant c=1. Second law ( postulate ) says no another particle
can reach this speed. So there are two incommensurable
quantities. Is it possible to bind them together? No. I was
taught at school from the first class that the incommensurable
quantities cannot be compared. The connection between these
incommensurable quantities is similar to the decision of a
problem: “What will be if the whale attacks the elephant?”
We can see whale in a ocean and elephant in a savanna,
but they never meet and fight in the same “ frame of reference”.
And the same is about light quanta and another particles.
We cannot see them together in SRT. We can meet only the
light quanta in SRT and no other particles in it.
b)
SRT was born from Maxwell's theory and it is a continuation
of the electrodynamics’ development . The electron is a main
and single hero in the Maxwell's theory and SRT. There
isn't the Maxwell's theory / SRT without electron.
It is not correct to compare electron/ light quanta with another
particles (protons…etc) and bodies (billiard balls, satellites,
astronauts, “twins”) because they cannot produce electromagnetic
fields. The electron and the another particles are also incommensurable
quantities. They are absolutely different objects.
c)
Every epoch has its own delusion. Maxwell and Boltzmann
tried to explain electromagnetic fields using balls, wheels,
cog-wheels, springs…etc. H. Hertz, who demonstrated the
existence of the electromagnetic waves, wrote that the
electromagnetic waves didn’t have practice use. Etc….
Now we try to compare electron/photon
ability with astronaut’s and “twins’ ” opportunities. It is mistaken,
but what to do? We do it because this is our way of cognition
:” From vague wish to the bright thought”.
2.
So, how SRT explains time from electron/ light quanta point of view.
a)
When light quanta is in state of a rest its time is frozen,
and its own clock shows zero.
b)
When photon moves with constant speed c=1
its time is also frozen, and its own clock still shows zero.
c)
Only when photon moves with speed c>1 its zero time
changes and limited time appears. In this situation we
know photon as an electron. Photon works as an electron
and SRT explains this process.
d)
And when , for example, electron emits from an atom and
interacts with Vacuum all its parameters change. Its limited
time ends and its own clock shows zero again. Now it lives
in infinite/ eternal Vacuum until new incarnation, until its new
work, maybe, in an atom (molecule), or in a cell, maybe, in a blade
of grass or in a tree, maybe, in an animal or in a person.
In another words:” We are living beings until Light quanta/
Electron is present and works in our body.” Is it true? Why?
Because W. Pauli in 1924 wrote:

 
 
Curt Youngs

Can Time Exist Without Matter?

November 21 2008, 5:54 AM 

Israel Sadovnik,
I agree with your take on the two kinds of "time," although I think there are more than two "kinds." From the rest view, everything moving at c does not move (stops) within that frame except the frame itself. (there being a different frame for each direction from each source.)

I disagree on the existence of the "photon" itself. EMR (light) exists as waves only until it interacts with matter, primarily electrons. Copper wire acts as one big molecule when absorbing low frequency EMR. Photons do not exist at lower frequencies. EMR is a continuous spectrum, therefor, its absorption must be similar at all frequencies.

 
 
Curt Youngs

Can Time Exist Without Matter

December 1 2008, 12:10 AM 

So, there!

 
 
bob s

Re: Can Time Exist Without Matter?

December 1 2008, 4:04 AM 

Re: Isreal, Can Time Exist Without Matter? November 21 2008, 5:22 AM

Isreal,
One law (postulate) of SRT says that speed of light quanta is constant c=1. Second law (postulate ) says no another particle can reach this speed.

Actually Isreal, SRT does not say that; from the 1922 translation pg.20, "Thus, when v=c, W becomes infinite. Velocities greater than that of light have--as in our previous results--no possibility of existence." However, because of the maths being used by SRT it is impossible for v to attain the speed of c. Following the train of SRTs maths and substituting the speed of sound, mach 1, and inserting it in all equations in which c is used we can just as easily say; (Velocities greater than that of sound have--as in out previous results--no possibility of existence). When v=c, W (or any other value) does not become infinite, W, (or any other value) becomes zero. Zero is not infinity, zero is the absence of numeric value therefor, when v=c there is zero time dilation, there is zero mass increase, there is zero rod contraction and moreover, when v=c SRT becomes pointless. The question then is, are speeds in excess of the speed of light possible? SRT does not forbid it, SRT only denies it mathematically not physically.

bob s

 
 
Max™

Re: Can Time Exist Without Matter?

December 1 2008, 10:26 AM 

You do not have much of an understanding of Physics, Curt, I would ask your college for a refund.

 
 
Curt Youngs

Re: Can Time Exist Without Matter?

December 1 2008, 11:31 AM 

You go ahead and ask whomever you like, Origami polymath arrogant Max. You claim to have such a "mechanical mind, and cannot even fathom the naked inertial frame, or even the idea of a picture frame. You are ziltch. The last one to pass judgement on anyone else.

 
 
Anonymous

Re: Can Time Exist Without Matter?

June 13 2017, 10:26 PM 


 
 
jaquecusto

Re: Can Time Exist Without Matter?

June 14 2017, 12:54 PM 

Is there any matter?

 
 
 
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