Aaron: I move this from the Black Hole thread
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Max: "I don't believe the standard model is a valid description of reality, it is as close to the truth as describing a rainbow as red/orange/yellow/green/blue/purple.

It looks fine on the surface, but there is no truth underneath, just description.

Attributing things to vibrations interacting and attracting doesn't provide an explanation which I find satisfactory, at least.

Ignoring gravity is very unsatisfactory to me."
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Aaron: Wow, Truth is what meaning you or you or you assign to properties. For example there is no truth in the 'Bill of Rights'. These are priviliges given to you and you by the rich, that can be removed at any point. We do not have the right to talk about all the elements on the periodic table under this Administration. If we talk about Americanium we can, and have been threaten to go to jail under knowledge laws of the Patriot Act.

Everything is just as description of an action of a particle. Some call it Specific Density others call the process gravity. The universe does not care what you call it. The fact is that the Helium balloon will still rise. This demonstratable, observable fact defeats Newtonian/Einstein/Hawkins Truth by applying Archimedes understanding of bouyancy.

When I let go of meaning, and just realized the randomness of it all. I realize I have no worth. The universe does not care. I can be upset about this fact, but truthfully the universe does not care. It was easy for me to come to this conclusion, as an epileptic, I reboot like a poorly made power supply. The universe does not care. What I find satisfactory is not relevent. Things just are.


This pic is from CERN and PBS

Aaron

http://www.electric-cosmos.org/darkmatter.htm

Who needs it?

Curt, Instead of leaving links, I would appricate if you would explain the link in your response. I don't have the time to read 15 paragraphs to come to the main topic. This is the sentence you rested your argument on.

"Ninety nine percent of the universe is made up of tenuous clouds of ions and electrons called electric plasma."

Well this is wrong. If this were the case then photons would never get to their destination unimpeeded. They would be absorbed by the first free electron. Photons as waves are absorbed by electrons ONLY. We would never see stars, galaxies or other objects. I have stated this before and have written much on this.
http://aaronsreality.blogspot.com/2008/06/introduction-this-chapter-gives-brief.html

It is easy to explain Dark Matter particles as massive, non-spining, chargeless particles that are connected in chains by gluons. The gluons read the magnetic properties and bend to the pressure described by the W boson.

Remember Pioneer 10 & 11 have crashed into something invisible and are changing trajectory to return to the solar system. They don't have the magnetic power to push though the Dark Matter.

a

Curt, this is from my blog. It describes how gravitational lensing works. The most important point is that the photon needs to pass through space unimpeeded. It needs to get to us unabsorbed.

http://aaronsreality.blogspot.com/2008/07/gravitational-lensing.html

I was watching a video by Sean Carroll 'Dark Matter vs. Modified Gravity'. In this he describes what requirements are necessary to have a model explain the universe. One of the major points he suggested, was that the model needed to explain Gravitational Lensing.

It seems to me that although photons pass through the dark matter without emparting their energy, the dark matter has enough density in areas to impede the photons passage. A photon does not take a path on a straight line. It takes the path of least resistance in its flight through dark matter. In areas where baryonic matter is high, the pressure against the dark matter particles from the magnetic field of the baryonic object, does change the photons direction.


A black hole example.

Any photon that hits directly the barrier between the massive baryonic black hole and the dark matter will fall into the black hole.

Or
Any photons that have a glancing blow against the barrier will fall into the black hole.

Or
Any photon that crosses perpendictular the barrier in the very outlaying areas of the curvature of space/time cause by the dense baryonic object, will have its vector curved along the barrier, but may have the velocity to excape along the bent vector. Very few of these photons from a background source would survive.

What we see is lensing. A large amount of photons survive and are bent around a dense object.

So
Photons have to take the path of least resistance around the pressurized dark matter. Photons cannot empart their energy on the dark matter. The heavily baryonic pressure caused by a black hole against the dark matter will bend the photons path around the object outside the barrier.

It is not that the photons path is bent. Photons spin. Dark matter does not spin. Photons do not have a charge. So what is happening here is the photon is spinning around the heavily pressurized non-spin dark matter. The dense dark matter pressure does not allow photons to pierce the barrier. So all the photons roll around the object. This is more of what we are seeing.

This pressurized dark matter barrier, because of the density of baryons, does not reduce the speed of the photon. The previous 3 options caused a reduction of speed of the spin of the photon, then some unexplained increase in speed.

Imagine a rock being thrown into a calm lake. The kenetic energy of the density of the stone against the water causes ripples in the media.

Now lets examine this Galactic Super Cluster. This came from an explosion of a massive object. It created galaxies and ripples in the media.



This is hard to explain without a Dark Matter media.

Aaron

I think your blue picture, that very one, is explained on one of the plasma sites.

But it does not explain that if the universe is 99% ionic then how do photons travel without emparting their information? If you wish to discount Dark Matter then you need to explain that.

a

The way I understand, it is that transparent molecules and atoms absorb and retransmit the EMR, instantaneously,(super luminously, anyway) in the near field. Where there is truly an absence of matter,(vacuum) the far field carries the wavefront. (actually, a series of waves.) The electrical conduction of electricity through plasma conductors is another different way that energy moves around the universe.

Some of the pictures thought to show lensing have proven to be plasma ejections instead. It may be that those attributed to lensing have other explanations.

We have had this discussion before, I even wrote a short paper on it. I think Plasma is just a part of what is happening here and cannot account for all phenomena.

This is a mixture of 2 papers on my blog
http://aaronsreality.blogspot.com/2008/09/plasma-in-intestellar-space.html
and
http://aaronsreality.blogspot.com/2008/10/chain-nature-of-dark-matter.html

I have several issues with Dark Matter having any electrons, ionized He or not. If dark matter turns out to be only protons (ionized H), then I guess I can be ok with that. But I don't think that is what is occurring here.

I need the photon wavefront to move unimpeded from galaxy to galaxy. With the exception of gravitational lensing. but even here we don't lose photons. They are bent or in the case of the Bullet Nebula they prove Reiter's point. They are split (4 times). But we don't lose them to electrons. If the interstellar media is charged particles other than protons (He-, He3, or He4), any electrons would absorb our photons. This is why we see ionized gas when excited by photons. We don't see the original memes here. We see the interaction of the secondary information, the ion releasing a new photon wave.

I agree with almost everything in the first paper
http://www.electric-cosmos.org/electricplasma.htm

but, Pioneer 11 lost velocity while exiting the solar system.

In my model, I see solar systems like bubbles in the ocean. Bubbles can coalesce, bubbles can separate, but there is a difference between inside the bubble and outside the bubble. These are two disparate systems trying to maintain some equilibrium. Its the pressure outside the bubble pressing on the pressure inside the bubble. Solar system are not bubble shapes they are modified torus's.

In the case of the solar system as a bubble, the two systems are (inside) Baryonic in nature and Non-Baryonic in nature (outside). Non-Baryonic particles (photons, free electrons, neutrinos and others) can flow between these two systems. Its the baryons that cannot leave the bubble.

We know that the interstellar media cannot be void.

Now for the missing matter, lets look at our friend Oort and his cloud. I think there is more matter here than previously described. Stellar Nucleosysthesis occurs here. Protons collide here and attract electrons. 3 Alphas can easily form a carbon ion. It starts sliding back towards the sun on the bent dark matter. In stellar lightning speed (a couple of million years) our carbon ion is now a small comet. This process reduces the need for Dark Matter to be heavily massive.

In understanding the nature of memes(information) transmission in baryonic particles it becomes easier to understand the the nature of memes transmission between baryonic particles and dark matter. Memes needs to be transmitted from the baryonic atom to the dark matter particle through magnetism. Dark matter ignores photons because they lack charge. Dark matter reacts to charge, all charges +/- in the same manner. Dark matter is repulsed by charge.

There are 2 known particles that can convert magnetism into memes(information). The electron and the gluon. We can rule out the electron as a particle of dark matter because it has charge. Also if electrons were in intersteller space, photons would never make it through the medium and we would not see other galaxies. The gluon is a more promising particle that could be part of the dark matter chain.

We know that the gluon converts magnetism into color using quantum chromodynamics (QCD). When dark matter is in the presence of magnetism the dark matter is repelled. The interaction between dark matter sub-atomic particles is stronger than the magnetism applied to it. Magnetism is not strong enough to break the normal bond between the gluon and the dark matter particle attached to it. Magnetism bends this bond.

The chain nature of dark matter becomes obvious when gluons are inserted between dark matter particles. These chains form fabrics and the more dense they become the harder is becomes for baryonic particles and photons to move through them. Pioneer 10 and 11 show this in their attempts to exit the solar system.

This above model only requires E/M and baryonic density, sprinkle some thermodynamic and others and it works. As arrogent as it sounds. I think my model is better than Newton, Einstein, and Hawkins put together (MOND). They require attraction through mass. G has never been found. I think CERN is starting to accept this.

Aaron

We have several bosons that have no Charge. This would not work if all information in the plasma universe is transmitted via charge. The photon and the gluon have no charge. This is a serious deficiency in this thinking.

Curt, this needs to an equilibrium of many vibrations to make the universe work. Some have charge others don't and they are all needed to describe information.

Also to say we understand all that there is about these particles is arrogent. We don't even understand why Pioneer 10 and 11 did what they did.

Aaron

The transmission of electrical power (plasma transmission) and the transmission of EMR power are different processes. Electrical power transmission will leak EMR. EMR Looses power since it becomes dispersed as the wave-front expands. Energy and information are two different animals, from my view. One point on an object can emit multiple frequencies at the same time. Since a photon is likely an artifact, attributing it a memory bank seems like a stretch. The multiple wavefronts are the information carriers.

Plasma transmission is used in the new weapons: high powered laser pulses produce a pair of plasma conductors through which a high voltage pulse of electrical power is delivered to the unfortunate victim. The plasma is a low resistance path for the power.

I cannot see how energy is not information in action. Whereas particles are that same information in inaction.

It comes down to photons waves hold 4 bits of information; Temp, freq, wave length and counter.
magnetism waves hold 4 bits of information; Charge, current, voltage and counter.

the electron reads and writes the photon wave and reads the wave
the gluon writes and reads the w+/- boson. (far field)
the electron and gluon read and write the Z boson (Near field)

I think this is what is happening here.

Aaron Guerami
p.s. still no graviton.

Re: VirgoHi21

If you notice: All the explanations for this phenomenon try to look for the gravitational reason. There isn't one. It is an electrical phenomenon. Hydrogen and helium do not coalesce gravitationally. Plasma physics has the answer. No need for dark matter. Ocam's razor.

http://www.rense.com/general63/cone.htm

It's funny how I have used this as an example of dark matter. Now I can explain how this is an example of plasma exceiting the Hydrogen Gas in a way that I could not have before my interaction with your plasma universe.

This is an example of high plasma area. H+ gas are producing more(exceiting) W+ bosons. These far field bosons push back the dark matter at a stronger ratio allowing for a larger bubble than we would normally see in a H+ gas nebula. This area is so exceited it is producing exceited photons that are not normal for meandering H+ gas.

Remember, My dark matter universe does not use gravity in any form. It uses far field W bosons to push dark matter around. This is a form of Plasma Universe, but it requires Dark Matter to have this action.

There is no graviton, but there is Dark Matter.

Yes you are correct in this pic. But so am I.

Ths link explains how dark matter moves because of far field W bosons.
http://aaronsreality.blogspot.com/2008/10/chain-nature-of-dark-matter.html

Aaron Guerami