On Jan 31, 6:11 am, Melroy wrote in sci.physics.relativity:
> See http://www.pirsa.org/C09002
> Lots of interesting talks.

If John Michell and Pierre Laplace had known the deep truths that today's Einsteinians know, they would have developed the theory of black holes. Unfortunately John Michell and Pierre Laplace knew no deep truth so the theory of black holes can only be developed by Einsteiniana's geniuses:

http://www.hawking.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=64&Itemid=66
Stephen Hawking: "Interestingly enough, Laplace himself wrote a paper in 1799 on how some stars could have a gravitational field so strong that light could not escape, but would be dragged back onto the star. He even calculated that a star of the same density as the Sun, but two hundred and fifty times the size, would have this property. But although Laplace may not have realised it, the same idea had been put forward 16 years earlier by a Cambridge man, John Mitchell, in a paper in the Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society. Both Mitchell and Laplace thought of light as consisting of particles, rather like cannon balls, that could be slowed down by gravity, and made to fall back on the star. But a famous experiment, carried out by two Americans, Michelson and Morley in 1887, showed that light always travelled at a speed of one hundred and eighty six thousand miles a second, no matter where it came from. How then could gravity slow down light, and make it fall back."

http://admin.wadsworth.com/resource_uploads/static_resources/0534493394/4891/Ch01-Essay.pdf
Clifford Will: "The first glimmerings of the black hole idea date to the 18th century, in the writings of a British amateur astronomer, the Reverend John Michell. Reasoning on the basis of the corpuscular theory that light would be attracted by gravity, he noted that the speed of light emitted from the surface of a massive body would be reduced by the time the light was very far from the source. (Michell of course did not know special relativity.)"

http://www.tutorgig.com/ed/Einstein_shift
"The gravitational weakening of light from high-gravity stars was predicted by John Michell in 1783 and Pierre-Simon Laplace in 1796, using Isaac Newton's concept of light corpuscles (see: emission theory) and who predicted that some stars would have a gravity so strong that light would not be able to escape. The effect of gravity on light was then explored by Johann Georg von Soldner (1801), who calculated the amount of deflection of a light ray by the sun, arriving at the Newtonian answer which is half the value predicted by general relativity. All of this early work assumed that light could slow down and fall, which was inconsistent with the modern understanding of light waves. Once it became accepted that light is an electromagnetic wave, it was clear that the frequency of light should not change from place to place, since waves from a source with a fixed frequency keep the same frequency everywhere. The only way around this conclusion would be if time itself was altered--- if clocks at different points had different rates. This was precisely Einstein's conclusion in 1911. He considered an accelerating box, and noted that according to the special theory of relativity, the clock rate at the bottom of the box was slower than the clock rate at the top."

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Cincirob: All very interesting but unclear. Does this mean that nuclear power plants will stop producing electricity, nuclear weapons will stop exploding, and all the experiments that show m = mo/(1-(v/c)62)^.5 will suddenly show something else?



AAF: Look, Cinci; how many times I told you that technology and theoretical physics are two different things? Technology depends primarily on serendipity and trial and error methods. People of the Stone Age were using fire to cook their food and feel warm. Do you think they knew how fire works and what exactly makes fire so good to be around in winter? Of course, they knew none of that. The same applies to the people of the modern age with regard to nuclear technology. They think their theoretical physics shows them what nuclear technology is. But they're wrong; since it's clear that their theoretical physics is nothing but a Stone-Age mythology in new clothes; correct, Cincirob?



Cincirob: Yes, but time after time you have shown that you don't understand either. Thanks for the history lesson. Now you should try to get a little closer to the present, say at least 1905 when we fist began to realize what nature really is. Correct? Well it looks like your mind still works like a cave man's. Some of us evolved.



AAF: The belief in the absurd theory of Relativity is certainly evolving in the backward direction towards the mythologies of the Stone Age and beyond! That is because this false theory of Einstein is illogical and irrational to the ultimate degree. And only persons of the Stone Age and beyond can reach such dazzling and dizzying heights of irrationality and lack of logic.

Re: AAF, Perimeter conference on black holes and quantum physics with recorded talks February 3 2009, 7:48 PM

AAF,
"And only persons of the Stone Age and beyond can reach such dazzling and dizzying heights of irrationality and lack of logic."

Let's don't start insulting cave-men AAF, Geico is already doing a good job of that.

bob s

AAF: The belief in the absurd theory of Relativity is certainly evolving in the backward direction towards the mythologies of the Stone Age and beyond! That is because this false theory of Einstein is illogical and irrational to the ultimate degree. And only persons of the Stone Age and beyond can reach such dazzling and dizzying heights of irrationality and lack of logic.


cinci: When I want to know about stone age science, you're the guy I'll ask.
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