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antisciencetivists cannot solve simple problems, even not ask good questions

July 22 2009 at 4:18 AM
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like this one:

"A standing wave is introduced to a resonant cavity. Another standing wave of exactly the same frequency is introduce to the cavity, exactly 180 degrees out of phase with the first. Is there nothing happening within the cavity? If not, where has the energy within the waves deposited itself? " (Jose Rodriguez)

 
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Anonymous

antisciencetivists cannot solve simple problems, even not ask good questions

July 22 2009, 3:46 PM 

Antisciencetivists are people who insist that physics can only be understood through some mathematical symbols. They think that everything is just about all figured out except for some minor tweaking of their formula.

For example you and NASA think that it is a given, that the interior of the Sun is 15 million degrees hot. This is not a measurement, and at the present time it cannot be measured. It is just shear conjecture. You cling to it because it has become your religion. If the surface is only 5000 degrees, there is some really good insulation between the interior and the surface.

 
 
Anonymous

Re: antisciencetivists cannot solve simple problems, even not ask good questions

July 22 2009, 4:27 PM 

"Antisciencetivists are people who insist that physics can only be understood through some mathematical symbols. They think that everything is just about all figured out except for some minor tweaking of their formula. "

There are indeed people who believe math is a magic key.
This is of course very stupid, and I realized that early enough, fortunately.
These people are a minority, mainly mathematicians.
Yet, there is no valid statement in physics that cannot be best expressed in mathematical terms.


"For example you and NASA think that it is a given, that the interior of the Sun is 15 million degrees hot. This is not a measurement, and at the present time it cannot be measured. It is just shear conjecture. You cling to it because it has become your religion. If the surface is only 5000 degrees, there is some really good insulation between the interior and the surface."

Here you a completely wrong.
There are strong experimental support for this hypothesis.
Furthermore, why do you think there is a "good insulation", maybe it is the contrary that explains the chromosphere temperature. Don't you think it is actually an excellent cooling?

Don't look at the sun with your naked eye, and look further than your nose.

 
 
bob s

Re: antisciencetivists cannot solve simple problems, even not ask good questions

July 22 2009, 5:05 PM 

Anonymous, antisciencetivists cannot solve simple problems, even not ask good questions July 22 2009 at 4:18 AM

How very convenient, you qualify the questions as 'not good' and that allows you to avoid giving the answers. To me it is a sure sign of a coward!

 
 
Anonymous

antisciencetivists cannot solve simple problems, even not ask good questions

July 22 2009, 9:10 PM 

Anonymous: "Here you a completely wrong. There are strong experimental support for this hypothesis. Furthermore, why do you think there is a "good insulation", maybe it is the contrary that explains the chromosphere temperature. Don't you think it is actually an excellent cooling?

Jose: Yeh, right! Somebody took a thermometer to below the surface of the Sun, and found the temperature to be 15 million degrees there!

There was no experiment. The temperature is a guess on the hypothesis that nuclear reactions take place there. There is no evidence that the Sun emits energy from the interior that is caused by nuclear reactions in the interior. It is all supposition.

You should take your own advice. Of course, your nose is pretty long from all the lies you tell.

Besides there are no stupid questions, only stupid answers such as your own.

Your question: "Don't you think it is actually an excellent cooling?" has an excellent answer: Yeh, right, the surface of the Sun is evaporating so fast that it cools the interior down from 50 million degrees to 5 thousand degrees. And the evidence for this is that the Sun is shrinking very fast and will be gone in another century. (Sarcasm is one of my many services.)


 
 
Anonymous

Re: antisciencetivists cannot solve simple problems, even not ask good questions

July 23 2009, 3:29 AM 

"Your question: "Don't you think it is actually an excellent cooling?" has an excellent answer: Yeh, right, the surface of the Sun is evaporating so fast that it cools the interior down from 50 million degrees to 5 thousand degrees. And the evidence for this is that the Sun is shrinking very fast and will be gone in another century. (Sarcasm is one of my many services.) "

Is that so for your boiled egg too, gone before you can eat it?

More seriously, why are you so impressed in the cooling from 50000000°C TO 5000°C ?
After all, the main parameter is the heat flux compared to the heat source within the sun.

Difficult to stay serious when discussing physics with clowns.

 
 
Jose Rodriguez

Anonymous-the self contained joke that he is

July 23 2009, 9:56 AM 

My boiled egg cools by evaporation? Of the white and yolk? You are the clown.

 
 
Jose Rodriguez

Further Test

July 23 2009, 10:56 AM 

As my egg cools by evaporation, the air around it heats back up to three thousand times the ambient temperature! This is what you imply happens at the Sun? Yeh! That fits with the physics you espouse!

 
 
Jose Rodriguez

Re: antisciencetivists cannot solve simple problems, even not ask good questions

July 23 2009, 11:24 AM 

Anonymous: "More seriously, why are you so impressed in the cooling from 50000000°C TO 5000°C ?
After all, the main parameter is the heat flux compared to the heat source within the sun."

Jose: More seriously even yet: Evaporation causes cooling by the change of state. The vapor from the change of state dissipates. Thus, evaporation would cause a reduction in the mass of the Sun.

 
 
Anonymous

Re: antisciencetivists cannot solve simple problems, even not ask good questions

July 23 2009, 4:41 PM 

"Jose: More seriously even yet: Evaporation causes cooling by the change of state. The vapor from the change of state dissipates. Thus, evaporation would cause a reduction in the mass of the Sun. "

That's not yet serious enough.
Write down the density of the solar corona and the average outward velocity.
Calculate the mass rate that escapes the sun.
Calculate the evolution of the mass of the sun based on that single flux.

1 point question

(I do not comment how you mixed heat and mass balance in your serious post)

 
 
Adolf Erdmann

Chess

July 24 2009, 3:33 PM 

Mr. Anonymous,

Do you play chess by any chance. If you do, then you know that even a couple of pawns in the right positions can checkmate a king. Modern physics seems to be mainly based on Einstein's theories. So, if the Special Relativity Theory falls, the General Relativity Theory will come down too.

All in all, it will be a disaster of biblical proportions for main stream science.

 
 
Anonymous

Re: antisciencetivists cannot solve simple problems, even not ask good questions

July 24 2009, 4:49 PM 

"Do you play chess by any chance. If you do, then you know that even a couple of pawns in the right positions can checkmate a king. Modern physics seems to be mainly based on Einstein's theories. So, if the Special Relativity Theory falls, the General Relativity Theory will come down too.

All in all, it will be a disaster of biblical proportions for main stream science. "
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Reasoning too fast, without enough information and critical sense, and on the basis of wobbly analogies, cannot lead you anywhere.

I explained you quite honestly why your observation is (probably) true and your conclusion is (certainly) wrong.
If you are insensible to any logic, then let's wait until you try a FTL communication with mars!

Otherwise, I can only repeat myself, as I have not found the time yet to simulate your experience.
I have just bought the Mathematica Home version and I still need to evaluate how much time it would take me to make a convincing simulation of what you did. If time permits, I will simulate a small oscillating charge in vacuum above a dielectric ground. From what I have read, the conductivity can be neglected in your system and only the permittivity of the ground should play a role. I expect the (oscillating) charge build up to be an interesting feature (2). Before I go for this calculation, I will anyway refresh my skills on the simple dipolar antenna and observe phase and group velocity in the near field.

But I would like to stress one point before I even consider this question instead of other interesting topics. All these calculations I am considering are not more than a colorful illustration. The principles themselves do not depend on the fact that sound or radio waves or deep water waves or shallow water waves or earthquakes or anything are considered.

What is really important is to understand how observations like yours can be obtained when individual waves propagate STL and even much slower than light. Group and phase velocities faster than light have been observed even in acoustics with a less than 1000$ experiment!

I assume you will accept easily that a shadow on a very distant screen can move faster than light and that this does not contradict the principle of relativity: no communication from a part of the screen to the other is involved. This looks like a very stupid example, yet all parts of this system are moving STL and the shadow can move FTL. This illustrates that the words "FTL" are a qualifier and have no meaning without another word before. This word is for example a "signal". And the word "signal" itself needs more explanation. This word implies that a change (the signal) in the emitter will induce a change in the receiver.

In your experiment you have not show a FTL signal transmission.
(considering erdman.pdf only as I could not understand erdman2.pdf clearly enough)
You have only shown that the oscillations were in phase at different places.
No FTL communication to Mars on this basis!!!

It is not difficult to understand why this can happen even though the "individual waves" propagate STL (or ETL). You can find many applets on the web to illustrate that point. The question of group (wavepacket) velocity is a bit more complicated to discuss for the obvious reason that wave packets are usually not only displaced but also distorted which make the velocity undefined except in extreme situations (large packet in a weakly dispersive media).
I found the applet in ref (1) very illustrative: observe how a FTL signal arises from the sum of STL signals.

Therefore, Mr Erdman, your fears about modern physics are irrational and unfounded.
You have only observed a FTL artifact very similar to a shadow "propagating" on a distant screen.

To really prove a FTL signal, you will need a clear-cut experiment.
Pushing a button in one place (at a random time) should trigger a reaction faster than light at a distant place.
Till today nobody has ever been able to do that.
(quantum entanglement experiments do show quite amazing FTL effects, but no FTL signal either)

If you think that you can emit FTL signals (to Mars), you need a much better proof than what you have explained so far.
My guess: you will never ever succeed.

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(1)http://gregegan.customer.netspace.net.au/APPLETS/20/20.html

(2) I feel that a delicate point is that the permittivity could not be simply assumed constant as this could imply FTL response of the dielectric. In short, the so-called "Kramer-Kronig relations" should be taken into account to take causality into account. This implies also that the medium should also be absorbent for some frequency range. Performing a constant-permittivity calculation can then be valid only if it can be checked that the calculation does not imply FTL response within the dielectric. If this cannot be proven, then the big calculation is just meaningless for our discussion. Today, I do not see clearly how to this verification can be done.

 
 

virtual game

July 24 2009, 5:01 PM 

A. Erdmann: So, if the Special Relativity Theory falls, the General Relativity Theory will come down too.

All in all, it will be a disaster of biblical proportions for main stream science.
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Of course, SR/GR are "wrong", mainly because those two are NOT physical theories of any sort and "academia" knows that very well from the very beginning. I really haven't enough patienty to explain that in more details anymore, who knows - knows. As hint my be, justification of 4-D vector algebra and later on tensor calculus where parts of the game... not to mention "kinematic absolutization" of light etc.

So, eliminate SR/GR doesn't mean anything spectacular in a realistic "scientific" sense. Up to now, TR-antiTR debate is a fine virtual game, nothing more. Real turmoil can happen but that could be far more fundamental than one can even imagine and for sure from some totally different reasons...


God bless...

 
 
Anonymous

Re: antisciencetivists cannot solve simple problems, even not ask good questions

July 25 2009, 3:49 PM 

"God bless..." (Rebis)

For sure the only valid physical theory for Rebis is the bible.

 
 

Numbers

July 25 2009, 6:58 PM 

Anon: For sure the only valid physical theory for Rebis is the bible.
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In fact something even above it... HONEST researching would be part of that, something which is abandoned long ago.


God bless...

 
 
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