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nakayama

Re: Absolute Rest Frame

September 4 2017, 12:47 AM 

P.S. The angle of incident light (coming from outer space) is bent by upper atmosphere (of moving earth). This phenomenon (light drag effect) is concluded there (in that place). So, the result of Airy experiment (aberration with a telescope filled with water ; 1871) is natural. Analogy with rain-drop is unsuitable.

 
 
nakayama

A sort of aberration ?

September 5 2017, 1:22 AM 

From a star, light rays are sending radially. After a few seconds, radial light rays will be bent by aether drift. As a result, to distant observers, parallax (a sort of aberration) will be caused. On planets of the solar system, is it observable ? Forgive too hasty picture, please.

 
 
nakayama

Direction of Aberration

September 5 2017, 9:00 PM 

From the upper left, a ray of star light is entering upper atmosphere. The earth (imagine the air and the ground) is supposed to move to the right. As a result, at the upper atmosphere, the ray of star light will be bent to the right slightly (but sharply and fully : ignore refraction). It's light drag effect. To a telescope set on the ground, direction of aberration seems to be opposite to rain-drop illustration. And it will be the same about refracting telescope moves in outer space.

 
 
nakayama

About aberration

September 6 2017, 10:47 PM 

P.S This "dragging" will not be partial. Because, the value of aberration depends on the light speed and the speed of the earth's motion.
P.S. In outer space, the object lens of telescope will "drag" (as a moving medium) the ray (path) of star light. So, aberration will occur. The value will be larger (we find Airy's telescope !)

 
 
nakayama

Re: Absolute Rest Frame

September 7 2017, 11:15 PM 

Two bodies each is moving in different uniform linear motion. It is possible to suppose either of the two Is stationary. And then, optional motion of optional body in space can be shown. However, it does not refuse the existence of one and only rest frame.

 
 
nakayama

Re: Absolute Rest Frame

September 8 2017, 9:15 PM 

Aether frame emerged by measurement will be a field omnipresent, invariable, homogeneous (flat) and one and only. Aether frame will be an inertial frame. Even if, it is regarded as absolute rest frame, there will be no contradiction. No, an evidence of absolute rest frame must be shown some day (known already ?).

 
 
Ufonaut99

Re: Absolute Rest Frame

September 9 2017, 11:16 AM 

Hi Nakayama,

Nakayama: My view is that light is always dragged by air, glass, aether (by its frame) and so on. Not partly but perfectly.

Which is directly contradicted by the Fitzeau experiment. If the aether was perfectly dragged by a medium (such as water moving at velocity v), then it's speed would be measured as c/n + v.

It isn't.

Nakayama: In a book Theory of Relativity by Pauli, W 1958, it's written as follows (quoted from English version ; in 1-6). "Rather should one say that for an observer moving with medium, light is propagated as usual with velocity c/n in all directions".
... Pauli, French wrote so.

Hold on - you're quoting SPECIAL RELATIVTY texts ?? To support your argument for Aether theory against Special Relativity ????

Read Pauli's quote in context. He is explaining how Fresnel's partial drag (which IS in reasonable agreement with the Fitzeau experiment) is a first-order approximation to SR.
And if you like French's book, there's this quote wink.gif :

French: One can also account for [stellar aberration] in terms of waves travelling through the ether, provided the ether remains completely undisturbed by the earth's motion. If, on the other hand, the ether near the earth were carried along with it, the aberration would not take place

Sorry, but perfect dragging fails observations from BOTH Fitzeau's experiment, and stellar aberration.

So, the question remains, do you have any evidence for any absolute reference frame (or, for that matter, any aether) ?

 
 
nakayama

Re: Absolute Rest Frame

September 9 2017, 10:24 PM 

As far as I understand, A to Z of relativity are nonsense. D: Doppler effect also. Relativists say nothing on radar trap, speed gun. These are depending on existence of the rest frame : air. In outer space, it is the same basically. In my web-site Doppler effect is explained simply in about 50 lines.

 
 
nakayama

Re: Absolute Rest Frame

September 9 2017, 11:59 PM 

Hi, Ufonaut99,

I write only one fact. The value of annual aberration depends on light speed and speed of orbital motion of the earth. It is perfect drag by air.

In experiment, not water but glass must be used. Relativity smells out and drags many nonsenses. From Fizeau, Fresnel, Mach, Michelson-Morley, Airy and many. Thus, I(a poor amateur)think.

 
 
nakayama

Re: Absolute Rest Frame

September 10 2017, 12:18 AM 

P.S. The value of all sorts of aberration depends only on (corresponds only and solely to) the motion (direction and speed : vector) of the earth. Aether exists (without doubt). Michelson says, it is evidence of aether.

In my web-site, my views (on the rest frame) are written in one page.

 
 
Johannes Harder Andersen

Re: Absolute Rest Frame

September 10 2017, 2:55 AM 

Yes F = ma is the famous equation we learned at school. But what does it say?
Does it have real content, or is it just a definition of F when there is acceleration = dv/dt = d(dx/dt)/dt = F/m?

Well, look in the rear view mirror of your Porche. The car is doing a(car) = d(dx/dt)/dt and the road in the frame of the car is doing a(perceived road) = -d(dx/dt)/dt , but the road is not experiencing any force of that magnitude.

Therefore F = ma does have meaning beoynd just a definition. This was Newton's genious.

Well, there is also sentence: "reaction = -action". So the forces on the car and the road are the same. but the the mass of the road is huge and the acceleration is very small:

m(road)a(road) = - m(car)a(car)

 
 
jaquecusto

Re: Absolute Rest Frame

September 10 2017, 3:04 AM 

It is very easy to understand "the beginning of the game", ie two particles interacting to give rise to a movement in symmetry.

The thing becomes complicated when each particle is observed in isolated condition. In this situation it is difficult to know if and how each particle relates to the medium, to the continuity of its movement. Relativity does not give a good answer to that.

In a row of identical dominoes, we can say that each piece does not leave its place; only receives the energy of the predecessor and transfers that energy to the successor part

This reasoning leads us to believe that there is only a "stationary ether" (or space-time fabric, equally stationary) that plays the role of dominoes within a frame of reference.

In this scenario, it is the energy exchange between these strange elements that gives the moving sensation of all things.

Are all things, including ourselves, groups of energy-based information moving in this environment?

 
 
nakayama

Re: Absolute Rest Frame

September 10 2017, 10:16 PM 

Relativity of motion does not stand up in curved motions such as orbital motion (aberration is one of proof). It will be the same on linear motion because linear motion is extremes of curved motions (not in geometry but on real motion of bodies).

 
 
nakayama

Aether and Photons

September 12 2017, 9:08 PM 

Aether and Photons

In outer space, photons that are sent from a light source will follow the emission theory for a few seconds. After that, photons will follow aether frame. All will be explained.

P.S. When the source moves in an accelerated motion, photons will follow a vector at the moment of emission also (it is the same on rotary motion).

 
 
nakayama

Re: Absolute Rest Frame

September 13 2017, 10:04 PM 

Newton's bucket stands up quantitatively. Also on accelerated motion in general, there will be a relationship between the geometrical expression and the inertial force quantitatively. The sole rest frame must be supposed.

 
 
nakayama

Re: Absolute Rest Frame

September 15 2017, 12:54 AM 

On a uniform linear motion (in the frame of space), space is tolerant and non-interference. Supposing that the emission theory is true, the above will be the same on photons. However, for a few seconds (after the emission).

 
 
nakayama

Re: Absolute Rest Frame

September 15 2017, 10:08 PM 

Is definition of a uniform linear motion (inertial frame) possible without absolute rest frame ?
By inertial force (probably it is an invariant), definition will be possible (rotary motion without external force is excluded). And inertial force will be based on absolute rest frame.

 
 
nakayama

Re: Absolute Rest Frame

September 17 2017, 10:21 PM 

Everywhere of space, the same inertial force (probably it is an invariant) will be caused by the same accelerated motion. This compels to imagine that a mesh of absolute rest frame (homogeneous, invariable and end is unknown) is indispensable. To replace it with inertial frame seems to be unnatural.

 
 
 
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