Was wondering if anyone here knows the latest rankings of Malaysian creatives. Or do we just rely on Campaign Brief Asia's Ranking?

... anyone?

What ranking? Do you really believe those are reliable? Ranking created from doing scam work, one-off and fake ads? Reputation and awards built on scams? Humor me.

Ah shaddup. If some clients weren't such rabid baboons then we wouldn't have to scam to win awards.

Campaign Brief is pretty accurate as it puts more weighting on the international and regional awards. Also it adds up the points you win over the last 2 years.

Local rankings: hmmm... let's see, my mamma thinks I'm #1... does that count?

Thanks for the note peeps.

And yeah, I guess we can't really rely on these rankings 'cuz we shouldn't be content even if we were ranked...gotta keep on pushing right?

And scams being scams...I wouldn't mind looking whose "ranked" in that...

I just noticed I'm in the creative ranking thanks to your guidance all these years. It has been great working with you.

Anyway, many Malaysians made the list. My favourite is Edmund Choe and Adrian Miller. Saatchi rules!

I know of people who deserve Black Pencils but don't qualify, people whose creativity have changed the course of this nation through secret campaigns launched during election. Pity cannot come out to claim the prizes!

Don't be surprised to find the rarest, unearthed gems in the smallest, practically unheard of, "sang-kha-la" agencies.
These are indeed an elusive lot, not wanting to be "shone" in the misconceived world of "glitzy" advertising glamour, probably because they are already pretty content in their little worlds, with not-too-bad salaries and living out a fairly decent, non-political working environment.
It's just a pity that the Creative Heads That Rule fail to find time in enquiring where these undiscovered talents actually are. It's time for the tables to turn; how about just for once, the big boys start looking for the little ones instead of vice versa...
And to always use the ultimate hiring requisite of an already acquired string of award-winning accolades to these people's merits is rather a dated pheomenon... these gems shud just be given the chance to prove themselves, even without any illustrious history. Adopt them first, then let them walk and run before they can actually fly.

Diva D has many dazzling talents!
Besides writing, she can mimic celebrities better
than THAT deejay from RedFM. Her wit is sharper
than a diamond and her heart is pure gold.

She's funny too. I mean who can sing tracks from
"The Sound of Music" any more? Or remembers porn stars
like they are pop stars? Heck, I believe she even
knows the names of wrestlers from TNA Explosion.
And which BoyZone member slept with who!

You really should meet her. Just make sure your family jewels are hidden well.

OMG! You make me blush, Tiara dear...

To compliment one of my hottest star showgirls like that with such high regard is indeed an honour. As always, your wise judgement and knack for seeking out extraordinary talent is spot on, but be as it may, I wouldn't think that Diva D is quite ready to come out and "shine" in the open field of advertising.

I don't have a fragment of a doubt that Diva D will thrive in any of the international agencies out there, and will prove herself to flourish as an invaluable asset of wit, humour, tireless fun, risque exuberance and brilliant advertising talent.

I can even bet my entire set of limited edition Chippendale playing cards, that Empress Yasmin would find Diva D an outstanding aide and truly loyal lady-in-waiting, a most novel and awe-inspiring vial of perfumed air.

Nonetheless though, just the other day after our Moulin Rouge finale performance, Diva D had confessed to me a rather quintessential revelation, professing her love for alternative creative outlets other than advertising such as stage acting, but did I also mention that "Procrastination" is her middle name?

Trouble is, Diva D's always waiting for things to happen, never one to quite dare seize a bull by its horns (or rather in this case, Empress Yasmin by her "selendang bersulam emas").

Anyway, I'll let Diva D continue being the darling that she is. I'm just hoping for an awakening to dawn upon this sweetie...

This may be more painful than a bikini wax for you, Madame Bushybeaver, but you've got to realise that your star,
Diva D is more than ready for her introduction to the aristocrats of the ad world.

While she may have played a convincing Satine in your play,
Moulin Rouge, the bright lights of Cannes and Pattaya beckon.

You know as well as I do that Diva D is born to play more roles than just Satine. I mean she can play Samy Vellu, Saiful Apek and Mona Fandey pretty well too (not to mention playing Julie Andrews, Joan Collins and Queen Elizabeth... with convincing French, Japanese, Indonesian, Filipino, Welsh, Cockney and Ebonic accents to boot).

All she needs is a sex tape scandal and she'll be the next Paris Hilton or Edison Chen!

With her D-cup spotlights, Diva D will be offered roles by
by Yasmin Ahmad in her Sepet movies. Choo Seong will go Rabun after her dazzling performance (and those Pensonic contracts coveted by Adiba Noor will be hers for sure).

In fact, with jugs like that, Diva D can well land a job in Milk + Co if she did a Sharon Stone in front of Neal and Yap.

Of course, Diva D has a little something more than those assets. She can actually write good ads, funny plays and dirty songs!

The world's her stage, Madame Barbie Bushybeaver.
Her next role should be as an award-winning copywriter.

If you let me, I could pull strings with Faridah Merican at O&M. I will drop Sean Ghazi's name if I had to if it meant
Diva D getting her contract.

Her time is now, Madame Barbie Bushybeaver. And there's no better time than now since practically every agency is looking for writers!

He could do it in Japanese and Bahasa Melayu.

like someone I knew b4 only. Izzit u david? diva d is david spelt backwards innit?

Do u gud werk. Win like yasmin.

Did you re-enact and sang the entire "Sound of Music" scene during an audition some years back? Contact my wife.

Can freelance for Tourism Malaysia or not?

lookat 'em. the clock's ticking. what good work have u dun ah? no shame.

What's all this?! Can't you guys create your own threads?

ain't no harm done. sorry.

Since you gravitated towards the Air Asia forum, here's a challenge for you. Choose either A, B, C, D or E:

A) Write me 3 headlines refuting the smear campaign that was launched against Air Asia during the election.

B) Conceptualise a viral campaign against MAS.

C) Propose ambient ideas for Air Asia...at KLIA.

D) Write me a long copy recruitment ad for air stewardess.

E) Script me a radio commercial for a new destination.

Prove yourself to me. And yes, you better treat this challenge seriously. You won't have another chance, mark my words.

Yasmin posting a challenge to you?
Somehow I find it difficult to believe.

For starters, there is a simpler, more
efficient way to court her attention:
You send your ideas directly to her email
address in Leo Burnett.

You can easily obtain it from the receptionist
(after getting permission of course).
It's that easy.

I can't phantom the point to all this
(even though I must say it is quite interesting,
this whole 'spectator sport' twist).

The big question is: would you be sporting enough
to rise to the challenge? Should you? And why?

If you have unconventional creative solutions,
go ahead and do it. Show us your creative prowess.

If you don't, steer clear. Don't dignify this challenge
by posting half-baked ideas. It would work against you,
trust me.

Sigh!

Suruh si Diva D beri idea untuk membaikkan nama Savvy kan lagi baik? Mungkin dia ada unorthodox idea tak? Kalau tak suke, boleh beri idea untuk Perodua hantam Proton. Viral.
Kan lebih seronok?

More seronok than nonok, ha ha ha...

It's not beyond Diva D to use
people's strength against themselves.

Take for example, Savvy.
She would use the existing Savvy commercial
(the one with giant monster trashing the city
and the car).

The joke is: apparently, the body isn't all
that tough. Truth not told, ha ha ha...

Just dub the voice-over of the two talents
(make the conversation self deprecating)
and put in a punchy end-line.

And post it in YouTube.

That's just one way she would do it.

You got a thought for the end-line?
Wanna share it with us?
Diva D would love to hear it!

that line will reviel whu ur up aginst. dey not dum la

We're not bitches. We don't piss on people to mark our territories.

Is that you David Foenander? If you are David Foenander,
you're one unique guy with unique tastes. Really admire your creative (and not to mention acting) skills!

Erin Miriam Pereira



First Generation



Erin Miriam Pereira was born in Ceylon.

Erin married (MRIN:505) Dennis Clement Mervyn Foenander, son of Cecil Percival Clement Foenander and Catherine Maria Loos (MRIN:260), on 17 Mar 1945 in Colombo, Western Province, (Ceylon. Dennis was born 14 Feb 1919 in Colombo, Western Province, (Ceylon.

... Sources D>B>U> Journal Foenander Desendants of Par Jonsson Foenander

They had the following children:

2 M i. Roy Foenander was born 24 Sep 1945 in Colombo, Western Province, (Ceylon. He died 16 Feb 1981.

3 F ii. Kathleen Foenander was born in Colombo, Ceylon.

WHAT corporate executive or member of the English aristocracy would not delight in subordinates like these? Pliant, respectful, uncomplaining, with nary a thought of stealing your job or toppling your privilege! Hard working, with solid family values, and just begging for the opportunity to attend to your personal grooming. It is so difficult to find good help these days, and harder still to find an employee who will happily fetch your coffee and dry cleaning.

Would that it were possible to hire a coterie of low-ranking rhesus macaques. They would have the fleas plucked from your fur as fast as you could say, "top banana."

Rhesus monkeys, those fidgety, expressive, toothy natives of India, are the quintessential social primates, and for "social" read "hierarchical." They live in groups of several dozen animals, each ranked as though a little number were painted on its taupe fur. Dominant monkeys can displace subordinates from choice spots or nutritious pickings, and the offspring of dominant mothers can easily push aside lesser adults many times their size. Biologists have known about rhesus rankings for years; in truth they are hard to miss.

Yet there may be more to the structure of these dominance hierarchies than meets the eye -- or less. To American observers reared on the ideology of polarity and the zero-sum game, of winners and losers, who's hot and who's history, rhesus monkeys appear to be engaged in an obsessive and never-ending struggle to rise to the throne, or to stay there once elevated. The alpha monkeys seem to have the underling members cowed, while the subordinate animals surely must resent their inferior status and be ever on the alert for opportunities to mutiny.

After all, dominant status looks like the winning number in the Darwinian raffle, the ticket to reproductive success, more and healthier offspring, safer territory, the complete caboodle.

Lately, however, some scientists have begun to question the notion that dominant status is the ultimate goal of a social animal, or that those who are subordinate resent their status and wish to move up in the world. Nor does a dominant position guarantee that one will have more or better babies, as had always been supposed. Using DNA fingerprinting to identify paternity of offspring, or following groups of animals for a sufficiently long time to determine which mothers breed most often, scientists have found a number of examples where high status does not translate into reproductive primacy. In fact, animals slightly lower on the social pyramid often have distinct advantages over the alpha animals, if for no other reason than because they need not waste time defending their status and can instead focus on love and family.

Moreover, some animals appear to do best in attracting mates when they cultivate an image, not of a driven winner, but of a softie, an easygoing friend, one who would rather spend time engaged in mutual grooming than in strutting around with chest expanded or claws extended. This tactic of amiability can work for both females and males, giving the lie to the common assumption about where in nature's lineup the nice ones finish.

Scientists also realize that they must pay more attention to the individual personalities of the social animals they study, to avoid classifying an animal as simply dominant or subordinate and instead ask, is this creature even-tempered and cool in battle, able to assess threats and avoid them when possible? Or is the animal a hair trigger -- aggressive or high-strung to a counterproductive degree? Studying the physiology and stress responses of baboons, Dr. Robert M. Sapolsky, a primatologist at Stanford University has learned that there are at least two distinct flavors of dominant animals, one with a sufficiently stable personality to benefit from social success for many years, breeding all the while; and another, edgier, stress-prone type that burns out quickly, falls from grace and in the end has spawned fewer young than low-key counterparts who never sought prominence in the first place.

In sum, the emerging portrait of the group life of many species is less of a monkey-beat-monkey world of restless status-seekers and more of a complex society in which a variety of scripts get played out depending on environmental and temperamental circumstances. Sometimes the ones who are the most obsessed with determining the dominance ranking of a social species are the scientists doing the observing.

"The image we've had is that the rhesus monkeys must spend a lot of time establishing and maintaining rank," said Dr. Kim Wallen of the Yerkes Regional Primate Research Center here, one of the foremost facilities for studying primate behavior and physiology. "But the group may be much less stratified than we've tended to see it. Yes, we can recognize ranks, but what your rank is may not have that many consequences. What really may matter is whether you're a member of that group or not."

Scientists warn, however, that the recent questioning of the importance of social dominance should not be taken too far, and that to say high status is not the whole story does not mean it isn't part of the plot.

"The fact that we don't always see a correlation between dominance and reproductive success leads some to say dominance isn't important, and I think it would be a mistake to go to that other extreme," said Dr. Barbara Smuts, a primatologist at the University of Michigan. "I view the progress of science as being the slow erosion of the tendency to dichotomize."

The new view could be significant for understanding the evolution of human social behavior, wherein a concern with rank and achievement are viewed as natural, while gentleness is considered either a denial of darker impulses or a cowardly refusal to get in the ring with fists deployed. In fact, amiability or relative noncompetitiveness in humans' evolutionary past may have proved quite canny reproductive strategies, with as much to recommend them as power-grabbing.

Rhesus monkeys do not seem at first glance to be good candidates for the study of why dominance is overrated. The monkeys live in female-centered social groups with alpha females and their kin making it quite clear on a regular basis that they reign supreme. If a subordinate monkey annoys a dominant monkey, the alpha animal and her entire family will punish the offender, backing it into a corner, screaming, biting, swiping and chasing. Hearing the melee, the relatives of the inferior animal do nothing, unwilling to help anyone foolhardy enough to quarrel with a superior. Usually, the subordinate animal attempts to make amends afterwards by offering the alpha female a lengthy grooming session.

It was through observing the sexual politics of rhesus life that Dr. Wallen began to doubt the standard interpretation of hierarchy. A big, bearded, ursine man who displays little of the type alpha sensibility, he noticed that the rank of a female bore no relation to her capacity to fulfill an essential social role: bringing a new male into the troop. Rhesus females control the ability of strange males to gain entry into their tightly guarded social unit. If a female "sponsors" a supplicating male, he is allowed to stay and become part of the family; if no female shows interest, his greater size or canine length count for nothing. The females can and will band together to chase him away.

As it turns out, subordinate females sponsor as many debutant males as do the alpha females. And once the males are in, the sexual activity becomes as freewheeling as a Dionysian holiday. Ovulating females regardless of rank often mate with most if not all the half-dozen or so males in their troop of 30. For their part, although the males establish a hierarchy among themselves, the alpha male does not seem able to monopolize estrus females, nor does he seem particularly concerned about doing so. As a result of the rampant promiscuity, the females almost always get pregnant during their fertile season, and all the males have excellent odds of fathering a few of the offspring.

Dr. Wallen proposes that the most important ranking process for the males occurs before they enter the group, when they are wandering the forest or plains as young bachelors looking for a band of females to give them shelter. At that point, the males may fight viciously with one another, and the weaker or less crafty ones may fade into oblivion. But once a male has been endorsed by a rhesus female and given sanctuary, said Dr. Wallen, the females consider him as good as the other resident males.

In other words, even though the males and females each form their gender-specific hierarchies within the group, dominance does not correlate well with reproductive output, or indeed any other measure of so-called fitness.

"We've focused so much on the fact that the group is hierarchical that we've assumed there must be a benefit to being the highest ranker, and everybody must be striving to be the dominant animal because it brings the best of everything," said Dr. Wallen. "But I don't think that's holding up. I don't think it's holding up in terms of reproductive success," or ability to get significantly more food, he added.

If the rhesus caste system does not exist because the ruling class uses it to hoard all the treasures, why, then, have a hierarchy in the first place? Dr. Wallen proposes it arose from the principle that any social order is better than no order at all.

"Structure produces predictability," he said. "It means you spend very little time figuring out what your social relationships are, and you can focus more on things like mating, foraging, watching out for predators."

"If that's true," he added, "then the model we have of low-ranking animals striving to be high-ranking animals probably really isn't accurate. The low-ranking animals may be perfectly happy as long as they're getting mating opportunities and as long as they're getting fed."

The subordinate animals may even cultivate an image of inferiority simply to keep the social peace. In studies at Yerkes with his graduate student Christine Dray, Dr. Wallen observed that when low-ranking monkeys were in the presence of their betters, they appeared incapable of learning to find a series of hidden peanuts. When the dominant animals were removed from the pen, however, the subordinates headed right for the concealed treats, demonstrating that they had been playing dumb all along.

In other primate species, like gorillas, the struggle for social ascendancy can result in reproductive triumph, but it appears that the best spot for a male is not at the top, but one or two tiers down. Recent data on chimpanzees living in the Gombe Stream Research Center in Tanzania indicate that the rising males in a group, not the top male, sired the most offspring. "The alpha male is like the dean or the chairman of a department," said Dr. David S. Woodruff, an evolutionary biologist at the University of California at San Diego, one of the scientists who worked on the chimpanzee paper, which was published last year in the journal Science. "He's been pushed upstairs to do the administration, he's going through the motions and he's not scoring hits."

But while the upstart young Turks may be notably fecund, other males who ignore the totem pole altogether nonetheless manage to insinuate themselves into female company. "Some of the males opt out of the dominance hierarchy, and they focus instead on being more affiliative with females, grooming them, staying by their side," even when the females are not fertile, said Dr. Phillip A. Morin, an author of the chimpanzee paper and now a researcher at Sequana Therapeutics, a biotechnology company in La Jolla, Calif. That attentiveness bears fruit, for when the well-groomed females come into estrus, the males they choose to mate with often are their faithful companions.

In her research with olive baboons, Dr. Smuts has found that a group of the animals may or may not establish a dominance hierarchy, depending on the local conditions. The baboons lucky enough to find themselves in an expanding population with abundant resources are less likely to worry about who gets what. The males, anticipating a long and productive life span, eschew haggling over rank and instead cultivate relationships with females or form amicable coalitions with other males who may help out in the future.

By contrast, when the monkey population is under stress, numbers are declining and a male can expect to die young, he is likely to take the high-risk, high-payoff strategy, devoting his energy to beating back other males and attempting, however fleetingly, to stockpile the females for himself. "Baboons come into the world with a variety of potential strategies," she said. "One or another of those strategies may be activated depending on the demographic conditions. It may be that a male has a mechanism for evaluating the probability of his own longevity." When life is ephemeral, it pays to be a general.

This be gettin' sillier by de minute. Whut has genealogy ta do with creative rankin'? ah' admit ya' had me scratchin' mah' head likes some monkey fo' a while there, thinkin' Pereira and Foenander are two species of monkeys! Dis website be goin' t'de dogs. No, in this case t'a bunch of monkeys!

Are you with the National Enquirer? How come you can dig info deeper than my M15?

I didn't even know David Foenander is related to Daphne Pereira. What are you going to find out next? Hillary Clinton related to Madonna? Elizabeth Taylor related to
Marge Simpson? George Bush related to the Rhesus monkey?

Ha ha ha...

Anyway, have fun all you want. But do remember this is an advertising site. It has the potential to be really useful -
if we all don't abuse it with nonsense.

Ouch! It hurts me even more than the needle prick on my forefinger, sustained as I'd read this thread while rectifying the hemline on Satine's embroidered scarlet corset.

Utter rubbish and sheer balderdash are all I can express, and I'll outrightly declare that all this speculation and presumption on Diva D's true identity being this whatsisname Foenander ARE nonsense!!!

I'm more than huffed, I'm outraged and betrayed even, for I NEVER reveal my showgirls' personal lives to all and sundry, and I expect the same of my clients and all guests who patronise this thread.

No more random names, an end to outing any more of my showgirls, agreed?

(And Queen Tiara, I've got two more lovelies I'd love to present as your understudies, should time permit...)

btw, is thr a contributor from SAA in this thresd? namely a bald-headed malay dude with specs? Tiara, methinks you know who i'm referring to >nudge< >nudge<

A bald Malay dude in SAA? A writer wid spectacles? It gots'ta be ahem...Carlton (Ah' agree we shouldn't be outin' anyone). Ah' seriously duzn't think it be Carlton cuz' if it wuz him, he wou'd told all and sundry abut da damn whole "porn at da damn printer" ep'sode.

You're a sight for sore eyes, my dear, dear friend...especially after a long meeting with
a client. Luckily it went well!

Makes the long nights worthwhile. Why, just
yesterday I had to convene 4 meetings simultaneously -
for 2 FMCG products, a car and a telco. All wanted on
the same day!

If you see me sporting gothic mascara today, it's because
I had to disguise my panda eyes, sweetie pie darling!

It is great news indeed that you have two friends to recommend to me. I certainly could do with some help
over here. My new writer is only coming over in 2 weeks,
an import from India but is currently stationed in Bangkok!

A good chap, but I doubt he would be enough to handle
the heavy workload here.

I hope your girls are well trained enough to do their
jobs independently. The last thing I need is to do double job when I have to head a few big accounts by myself.

If truth be told, I would be most comfortable if you come in yourself. People of your calibre are hard to come by.
You know this place will pay you well for your efforts!

How about it? Think it over. In the meantime, tell me about your girls. I hope they have enough eye shadow for all the late nights they have to suffer!

What'z going onz? Who caught who @ the printer wit porn?
Bet it ain't no Mizz June hot beb centerfold, dude!

ooh, saucy! when wuz dis & what sorta porn? hv gotten word this carlton guy's kind of a broadcast network, innit? nothing gets past this fella >shrieks<

I'm not sure if you have a personal bone to pick with this "Carlton" guy, Sylar - but with all due respect to others and especially in adherence to Madame Barbie's plea and wishes, I'd strongly advise you to stop the dirty linen routine.

What you say has the virulent potential to destroy the careers of the innocent, more so if they are oblivious to the fact that they are even talked about in this forum/thread.

So please, Sylar... play it nice and play it safe, okay.

I ain't gonna slag no hag. I ain't gonna out no fag.

T'is be advertisng site and all. Aren't u least bit interested in 1 Show results? Seruisly?

world affairs. current issues pertaining to our communication industry. anything other than this nonsense. rite now, i don't see any depth of thinking. can't assess your critical analysis. even grammar competency is nothing to shout about. rise above this people.

Can someone out there tell me something about Jasmine Ishak please. Will be working with her soon.

but i sens she got rivalry wid charmain. just stay out of politiks la, no prob