Let's lay it out on the table--Creationism vs. Evolution. Two stories to describe one event that we have never witnessed nor will ever prove conclusively. Which story sounds better? Why? and/or why waste your time discussing it?
What is evolution doing for you?
by Vender Doov
Humans by now should be in the beginning stages of developing a hard outer layer. With all the killings going on around the world, evolution should be doing something to adapt to knifes and bullets penetrating human flesh since evolution is about extreme change.
So what has evolution done or doing about people getting stabbed and shot? Or has it stopped working and simply resorted to adapting to viruses and bacteria and pesticides? LoL
"Humans by now should be in the beginning stages of developing a hard outer layer. With all the killings going on around the world, evolution should be doing something to adapt to knifes and bullets penetrating human flesh since evolution is about extreme change."
This just drives home the point you don't know what your talking about! Why should humans evolve hard outer shells?!?! Evolutioin is about differential reproductive success, you don't even know what that means. It's not about making individual organisms harder to kill.
"So what has evolution done or doing about people getting stabbed and shot?"
Nothing, explain why it should......
"Or has it stopped working and simply resorted to adapting to viruses and bacteria and pesticides? LoL"
As any expert will tell you, evolution hasn't stopped.
VENDER:
"(If Evolution was true)...We would see Mammals with 8 or 10 legs."
And we do of course.
Arachnids, members of the Phylum Arthropoda have 8 legs - they are commonly called spiders.
Crustacea, also members of the Phylum Arthropoda, have 10 legs.
By the way the system of classification which is used today and which Demon and I have used to answer you was developed not by evolutionists but by creationists.
Carolus Linnaeus developed the scientific nomenclature system which we still use today (for the most part), and the great comparative anatomists Georges Cuvier and Richard Owen also refined and expanded it (along with many others).
Vender is, as usual, denying basic scientific facts that even other creationists would accept.
What the fuck! I mean lets just call it SCAMvolution:)
Its the perfect scam. You cant go to jail, like in selling crack. You can be a part of the Evolution Is Fact Club and attend all those elitist conferences, and gain access to all the other perks.
You can call yourself an "evolutionists" when in fact you are a Scamvolutionist.
Since you believe that you have debunked evolution, you still haven't given us a better alternative. So that means that we are left with the default that currently makes the most sense, evolution. It seems that your work is actually worthless, since you haven't proposed a better theory.
So why don't you do so. Tell us what your replacement for evolution is. Don't forget to present some initial evidence for discussion and questioning. Please tell us where your theory was published, how it was developed, what experiments were performed, and some predictions that are a consequence of said theory.
You see, unless you can furnish something better, the old theory stands. It's a bit like Newton's theory of gravitation. Even with recognized problems, it wasn't just cast aside until a replacement had been developed. In fact, Newton's theory of gravitation has twice been falsified and has become a special case in each of the two new theories. (The problem is that neither new theory agrees with the other.)
So evolution is and will remain the reigning paradigm until you are able to present an alternative that explains everything that evolutionary theory explains, and do it better.
I dont have to present an alternative to the scam.
But this all presupposes Scamvolution should be taken seriously.
You're like Boss Hog "So can you present another theory to explain how all that cocaine got into your trunk?". Now you have to prove, use evidence, blah blah blah
But back to Evolution, you say it is a scam. You wrote a long and drawn out piece on how hat only by using the Scam that is evolution can students make $$$$$.
I wonder if the crooked District Attorney gallo of the Town Of Evolution should be given a nickname?
How about SCAMallo?
Nicknanes for Miquel, Martha, Demon38?
Demon38 thinks he is a demon, Miquel works in a library (even after all that schooling), and Martha is just out there, like the little train that could, she tries and tries to get up that hill:)
Miquel is a lighweight and likes to boast a lot but never has any skill/power to back it up, not to mention that he is very predictable. He likes to showcase what little talent he has and then talk as if he’s a real heavyweight. But that is how the world of SCAMallo goes.
That is Migel’s interpretation, and one which shows me how he distorts his own reality and meaning to things, to make himself feel good. If evolution were true, you would have no need to distort words and reality.
"That is Migel’s interpretation, and one which shows me how he distorts his own reality and meaning to things, to make himself feel good. If evolution were true, you would have no need to distort words and reality."
Miguel distorts nothing and once again, you can't back up your claim. If evolution was true, virtually all biologists would accept it and it would successfully be applied in medicine, farming, industry, raising animals.....wait, that's all true!
The only one who distorts words dishonestly is you! You don't understand biology at all, as evidenced by your complete ignorance of what an animal is. You have no idea what the theory of evolution is or how it works, you've been asked repeatedly to explain it but you can't. You bring nothing to the table as far as intelligent debate goes. All you're good for is comic relief when you make such "profound" statements like:
"A lopster is not an animal you idiot."
You're in way over your head here, you don't know what you're talking about and all you've accomplished so far is to make an ass out of yourself.
VENDER:
"Migel does not carry such books for you guys to read! Boss Hog does not allow it! :-)"
Oh our library carries all sorts of scientific volumes mate - from geology, biology, palaeontology, taxonomy, through to ecology, horticulture, evolution, botany, entomology and genetics.
All out of your scope of understanding.....you see none of them support your idea that insects are not animals or that they have 4 legs.
VENDER:
"Since you think that a horse is an insect..."
Ah I see that you're telling lies again Vender?
Please quote me saying that a horse is an insect.
Oh wait....are you actually saying that because an insect is an animal, that all animals must be insects???
LMAO.
Oh that's a beautiful one mate.....you just get in deeper don't you? :-P
Just answer the question mate - Do you think insects ae animals? Yes or No?
Do Insects have 4 legs? Yes or No?
But you won't answer will you? LOL - dosesn't matter because you have already displayed your reasoning.
:-D
VENDER:
"...and that you are a monkey..."
I don't know about you mate, but I'm from a species called Homo sapiens.
Perhaps you are confused with the fact that monkeys and Homo sapiens both belong to a taxonomic group called primates?
Is that a concept too difficult for you to grasp?
VENDER:
"...tell us: Do you get aroused at the monkey cage at the Zoo? :-)"
Ah how truly 'Vender'! ;-)
You can't answer either logical arguments or questions so you resort to insult and invective.
Very Christian of you - LOL.
;-P
A lopster might not be an animal but a lobster sure as hell is! I'd be real interested in what you think a lobster is, if it isn't an animal?!?! Vender, you're looking at those wacky creationists biology books again! And we have a Venderism even better than the time you claimed a spider was an insect!
VENDER:
"You have never been able to list one lie, so you resort to lying about the other person."
You lied when you said I claimed horses were insects - ok that may have been too unkind of me.
Perhaps you didn't understand what I was talking about?
An insect (Phylum Arthropoda, Class Insecta), being a member of the Kingdom Animalia does not make Horses (Phylum Chordata, Class Mammalia) insects.
In fact you are going against the very system of discoveries CREATIONISTS like Richard Owen, Georges Cuvier and Carolus Linnaeus made with regqards to classifying animals.
VENDER:
"It is funny, how quickly you go into denial."
Not my fault you can't understand a simple logical point mate.
MIGUEL:
"Oh wait....are you actually saying that because an insect is an animal, that all animals must be insects??? LMAO."
VENDER:
"~That is what you said with your silly cliam."
No - that's what YOU understand it to be. As I've explained above insects being animals does not make horses insects.
Insects, Mammals (to which group horses belong to), Birds, Reptiles, Amphibians and Fish are all ANIMALS.
VENDER:
"And you are getting deeper and deeper with your delusions of horses being insects. What is next? Are trees going to be birds?"
Silly statement as usual since Birds are Animals and Trees are Plants.
Two separate and distinct Kingdoms.
MIGUEL:
"Just answer the question mate - Do you think insects ae animals? Yes or No?"
VENDER:
"~ Already been answered a million times! NOPE!"
Ignorance displayed yet again!! :-D
If Insects aren't animals then what are they Vender? Plants? Protists? Fungi?
LOL.
MIGUEL:
"Do Insects have 4 legs? Yes or No?"
VENDER:
"~ Why not ask if they have 5?"
Because YOU claimed that they only had 4 legs - even when people had demonstrated that they did not.
VENDER:
"~ If you think horses are insects, what kind of reasoning do you call that?"
Only YOU made the statement "horses are insects". I did not. Insects being ANIMLAS, does not make Horses INSECTS.
You claim I don't know science and yet you have conclusively proved that you have no idea what I am talking about.
VENDER:
And yet, you reason like a monkey. Then again, I don’t think that even monkeys can tell the difference between an ant and a horse."
Ah how I love it when creationists and trolls go into their insult cop-out when they cannot win by arguing logically. LOL.
VENDER:
"Still avoiding the question: Do you get aroused when you see a monkey? Yes or No? Is the question that hard for you to answer?"
Not at all. Here goes:
Since I am not of the same species as a monkey, nor do I have a predeliction for bestiality, no I am not aroused.
Why? Are you?
Is that why your replies usually dwell on the sexual practices of your opponents?
;-P
VENDER:
"It is called exposing."
The only thing exposed is your ignorance mate - of even the most basic scientific concepts that primary school children are taught.
What the fuck! I mean lets just call it jealousy eh? I get so annoyed at being made to look like an ignorant fool that all I can think of in response to this topic is to call evolution a scam :)
All I have to do is make lots of silly assertions without a bit of evidence :):)
I call it a perfect scam since I cant go to jail for telling lies.
All my adoring fans love it :):):):):)......oh wait that means only Vender doesn't it?
Ever been to a library and go to the geology or biology section?
Open these "peer reviewed" journals like the Journal of Geological Education or perhapsd Evolution for example and look at the inside front cover. They list prescription prices.
It can easliy average out to be about:
$200.00 to $400.00 hundred dollars a year per individual/year.
It can easily average $700.00 to $1000.00 per year per institution.
These guys can rake in some serious coin$$$$
Dont be naive and stupid!!!!!
Its all about the money dudes $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
With the stress of paying back student loans, the pressure to be recognized by your peers, the Ego High one can get by being part of the Evolution Is Fact Club, and Boss Hog trying to fatten his wallet, its no wonder the evolution scam has become so successful.
And after all that work, time, and energy to get that PhD you cant just throw it away and blow the whistle. I mean what kind of job are you going to get as an evolutionists if you blow the whistle on evolution?
The scam is so well organized, like aggressive pit bulls, the other evolutionists wishing to protect their own interests, are going to place a hit on your head and you would would wind up back on the streets selling crack, or perhaps working in a library placing books on shelves.
Like a pyramid scam. The new evolutionists recruit starts at the bottom, helping Boss Hog make his coin. Eventually he hopes to perhaps sell a book, or get enough articles published in those "peer reviewed" journals, to get some recognition. Perhaps his ego is so high he hopes to be perceived someday as the "Worlds Leading Authority" on a certain "discovery" or something.
WOW. Now that EGO BOOSTER would be better then sex (or at least that's what he thinks).
Jonathan's contention is that the publishers of the journals he's quoted are 'evolutionists' - LOL.
Not only is Jonathan ignorant of history and biology, he's now shown himself to be ignorant of business practice as well.
The publishers of said journals are companies like Fisher-Verlag, Blackwells etc.
Yes they do charge exhorbitant prices and no they don't do so because they are 'evolutionists'.
They do so because they are in the business of PUBLISHING - science journals indeed, but far more than just evolutionary or biological or geological sciences, they publish a gamut of scientific and other subjects (chemistry, hydrology, oceanography, archaeology, anthropology, geography, linguistics, legal, literary etc).
Publishers are in the business of making MONEY - from whatever source be it evolutionary science or any of the other subjects I have mentioned.
And how do I know?
Simply because it is my business to know about the publishing game - I'm a Librarian. ;-P
As usual Jonathan's ideas collapse like a pack of cards when placed under any sort of logical scrutiny.
What Johnathan's arguments show - as usual - is a distinct ignorance of any subject and a contentment to remain so.
Hey Jonathan - how come you haven't been able to explain (yet again), in your own words, what you believe evolution is: what it seeks to explain, what mechanisms power it, and what it predicts?
Interesting that you are able to discuss everything under the sun including parenting, crack-dealing, and education when discussing evolution - except of course the subject of EVOLUTION itself! LOL!!
Sort of like you trying to discuss world politics without knowing history - lol.
Give me a brake! These publishers are evolutionists to the core! I doubt the CEO is a born again fundamentalist christian publishing a journal that supports evolution:)
If so, he's either a hypocrite or just reasons: I mean why not make some money from these stupid evolutionists?
It does not surprise me you ended up working in a library. I guess its a step above working in a bank or as a used car salseman, or even worse selling crack with a "science" degree:)
gallo: I presume you mean "break." You are even less literate and uneducated than I thought.
J: These publishers are evolutionists to the core!
gallo: Your assertion is based on what? However, I also suspect that the publishers of science journals are evolutionists since they are probably educated people. Creationists are generally uneducated, unintelligent, and many times only semi-literate (like you).
J: It does not surprise me you ended up working in a library. I guess its a step above working in a bank or as a used car salseman [sic], or even worse selling crack with a "science" degree:)
gallo: I think that crack dealers, since they tend to be less educated than most, would more likely be creationists. It takes a really drugged out mind, whether by hard drugs or by religionist nonsense, to reject reality.
Hey I can't help talking about the Dukes of Hazard! I mean seriously, it's the most intellectual show I have ever watched!
I may not know anything about Evolution, College Science Education, Publishing, Science Careers, Academic Peer-Review, Publishing, History, or Global Geopolitics (had to look most of these words up!) but hell I know the Dukes! :):):):)
Just let me have my say and I'll be happy ok?
Stop making me look ridiculous. It's not my fault that I'm ignorant.
Jonathan: Ever been to a library and go to the geology or biology section?
gallo: Certainly. Have you?
J: Open these "peer reviewed" journals like the Journal of Geological Education or perhapsd [sic] Evolution for example and look at the inside front cover. They list prescription [sic] prices.
gallo: Have you actually ever done so?
J: It can easliy [sic] average out to be about:
$200.00 to $400.00 hundred dollars a year per individual/year.
It can easily average $700.00 to $1000.00 per year per institution.
gallo: Was there a point?
J: These guys can rake in some serious coin$$$$
gallo: Right. The need it to pay for the cost of printing and the wages paid to the staff. My bet is that you didn't notice that there are no advertisements in scientific journals. They don't get paid any big bucks from advertisers like like most of the magazines that you read do. You see, the cost of publication has to be paid by the scientific community itself through subscription.
I notice that you're a bit slow and thought that it was a "prescription". And then in trying to correct your little bit of semi-literacy you spelled "oops" as "opps." Nice going, dimwit.
J: Dont [sic] be naive and stupid!!!!!
gallo: Exactly. It would be better to educate oneself before speaking, wouldn't it?
J: Its all about the money dudes $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
gallo: What's a "money dude?" Are those the ministers of the churches that have duped you? Is that why there are so many huge, beautiful churches around? Complete with souvenir shops? I guess so. Just check out AIG and the museum and Mr. Kent Hovind's funny farm for creationists.
I deleted the rest of your delusions about unrelated idiocy. If you have any evidence to support what you say, then present it. You have already made a fool of yourself about one topic, pick another. It seems that you are a one topic wonder and know nothing about science.
I should have known that you wouldn't get it. It was a reference to your semi-literacy. You can't spell and you don't know how to punctuate correctly. It makes your gibberish difficult to understand at times.
By the way, given the example of religious people like Bakker, Fallwell, Robertson, Oral Roberts, and the latest religious beacon, Joel Osteen, then it is religion that is the real money maker. Most of the scientists that I have ever known always fly coach when they travel. Osteen flies 1st Class, wears imported suits and shoes, and lives in an upscale neighborhood. He is a multi-millionaire because he owns his church.
On every corner there are the bastions of big business in the US. A bank, a drug store, a gas station, and a church. Churches even advertise on TV. Why? Because it's all about money.
People make money accepting evolution because it's valid. Simple as that. Evolution allows us to produce more food, create better medicines and live a healthier life, manufacture better products. No scam involved, if evolution wasn't true, it wouldn't be so important to our world.
And you still can't respond to any of the points made, I swear you are the dumbest poster I've ever encountered.
You are so stupid its amazing! Do you really think someone who gets training as an evolutionists is really going to admit evolution is a fraud?
I mean Boss Hog knows he's got it good. All the money he can make by planting evidence! Unless he's the stupidest motherfucker on the planet (or decides to do whats right)
he aint gonna tell!!!!!!!!
And then you idiots say Religion = Money because Preachers often drive nice cars and have big fancy buildings:)
Now I dont deny religion = money, but at least come clean about the evolution fraud!!!!
Evolutionists professors and researchers can easily make $60,000.00/year and more, well above the national average of about $32,000.00/year!!!!!!!
Hell, if I were an evolutionists professor making 60 grand per year, and after taking 25 years to pay off those student loans and taking 20 years to finally get the job, Im not going to be stupid enough to say anything.
Keep your motherfuckin mouth shut, and keep scamming motherfucker!!!
Jonathan: Evolutionists professors and researchers can easily make $60,000.00/year and more, well above the national average of about $32,000.00/year!!!!!!!
gallo: $60K isn't all that much and it takes years to get that much. I left academia for more money and made well over $60K.
But the really rich ones are those people who take your money in the name of Jesus and live in luxury because Jesus wants them to, all the while feeding you on the foolishness that you are dumb enough to believe.
Thats what I kinda figured:) Its all about the money. Like greedy whores, even 60K was not enough for you.
I think of all those children in 3rd World Countries who starve and have no medicines. And you whine because after all that schooling you look back and say, 60K was hardly worth all the hoops of memorizing the Hymns Of Evolution.
Shall I bring out my violin and play you a song?:)
I have no problem perceiving Preachers as whores as well. Making a living off of praying fools and making them like zombies, following their religion like blind hamsters, in hopes of some fantasy called heaven.
But at least be descent enough to come clean. But I guess we all have to make a living somehow. Some choose the evolution scam, others sucker people into religion, and others sell crack.
At the end of the day we all have to feed our children. So I really dont care that evolution is a scam. I could not care less how you make your money.
An evolutionist is not going to admit its a scam, anymore then a Preacher will admit his scam:)
"I think of all those children in 3rd World Countries who starve and have no medicines. And you whine because after all that schooling you look back and say, 60K was hardly worth all the hoops of memorizing the Hymns Of Evolution."
Yep and it would be even worse without the theory of evolution. We can produce much more food because we understand and can utilize the theory or evolution. And medicine?!? Thanks to evolution, we can create much more effective medical treatments. So if you really care about those children in 3rd world countries, their best hope for getting more food and surviving more diseases is the theory of evolution. Funny how you can't address this point......
"Shall I bring out my violin and play you a song?:)"
Yeah, play a dirge for your incurable ignorance and what it would cost the world in suffereing if everyone thought like you......
"But at least be descent enough to come clean. But I guess we all have to make a living somehow. Some choose the evolution scam, others sucker people into religion, and others sell crack."
But it's funny, you've been shown some of the inumerable benefits evolution has provided for us, yet you can't respond intelligently. Evolution is vital to the modern wrold. You keep calling it a "scam" but you can't give us evidence of it being a scam, you can't support your claim.
"At the end of the day we all have to feed our children."
And because of the theory of evolution, we can feed more children than ever. Guess you really don't care about those starving children when you call their best hope a "scam".
"You are so stupid its amazing! Do you really think someone who gets training as an evolutionists is really going to admit evolution is a fraud?"
Of course they're not going to admit it's a fraud, because it isn't. You keep ignoring the point. Evolution is applied because it is valid, it works. It gives us better medicine, it gives us more food, it gives us better products.
When a theory is so spectacularly successful, it's because it's right.
You keep missing the point, I guess in your case ignorance is bliss. Evolution isn't a scam, it's a successful theory that is very useful to humanity. Only boobs like you don't understand that. If anyone should keep their motherfuckin' mouth shut, it's morons like you!
Your nose keeps getting longer with each lie!
Hell, you should run for political office. You've got the "politically correct" official statement down cold.
You could probably say it with a straight face, as ice runs thru your veins:)
Boss Hog should hire you for public relations and to speak at government meetings (oh I mean scams) to convince them to give you grants to do all that "research":)
Gee, I haven't lied yet! You're the ignorant S.O.B. who can't tell the truth. I'd ask you to list the lies I've made and then prove I've lied, but you're a boob who can't defend his position or debate it.
I think of all these idiots spending $50,000.00 to $100,000.00 grand on an education to become an evolutionist.
All the hard work jumping through all those hoops, they get their "prestigious" PhD, and then get thrown out into the "real world".
They got a con job from some college recruiter or college advisor painting them a pretty picture. All the $$$$$ they can make as a professor or researcher or working for a private corporation. Its better then working at McDonalds they say, so they sign up and enroll in college, all the time thinking how "superior" and "smart" they are:)
Here's The Catch:
They got used by Boss Hog, the Mayor of the Town Of Evolution who gets his kick back from the universities who make millions of dollars selling "education".
The poor guy, now has to pay back all those student loans
not realizing its going to cost over $250,000.00 for that prestigious PhD, with all the interest. But now that he has invested all this time energy and money, he knows he'd better "play the game" of evolution. Either get a job as an "evolutionists" somehow or start selling crack on the streets.
Boss Hog has him by the balls! So the new evolutionists recruit goes along with it, and joins Miquel and the DA Gallo in planting cocaine in peoples trunks to get convictions and showing their new anti-crime program is working and they get their money to continue with the scam.
Fuckin A! You gotta pay back those student loans somehow!!
Now I really dont blame you evolutionists for your actions. I actually feel sorry for you guys. But someone has to "blow the whistle" on this con called Evolution.
Someone somewhere is eventually going to do this and you will eventually be exposed!
....I sure wish I had completed high school so I could try to get into college and get me one of these 'big-paying' jobs!!
I talk about all these idiots spending $50,000.00 to $100,000.00 grand on an education to become an evolutionist because I have no idea what it costs to go to college and do a science degree..
They do all the hard work jumping through all those hoops, then they get their "prestigious" PhD, and then get thrown out into the "real world" and I am so very jealous of that.
I talk about "con jobs" and college recruiters or advisors painting "pretty pictures" because what I really have is SOUR GRAPES!!
I claim that college science students think how "superior" and "smart" they are because I wish I could have been one of them but sadly slept through my high school science classes. :)
Here's The Catch:
I now get used by Boss Hog, the Mayor of the Town Of Ignorance who gets his kick back from the creationists who make millions of dollars selling "Christian education" for the illiterate and ignorant people like me.
I'm a poor guy, I have to pay back all my loans because I have a poorly paid and unskilled job without any prestigious PhD or even decent education to fall back on.
Why? Because I never invested my time, energy or money to LEARNING....not just science, but ANYTHING worthwhile beyond subsistence-level skills.
Now I "play the game" written for me by other people because I was too lazy to do anything else with my life and now I blame it on science, evolution, the Liberals and indeed anybody else I can think of.
Maybe I can get a job as a "creationist" or start selling crack on the streets?
Boss Hog of Ignoranceville has me by the balls! And as a non-thinking, ignorant recruit I go along with it, and try to sound intelligent by disparaging people who have bothered to learn something more than their ABCs.
Fuckin A!
I gotta pay back the loans for my suped-up car, shotgun and year-long supply of beer somehow!!
Now I really dont blame you evolutionists for your actions.
I actually feel sorry for you guys having to work at an intellectualy stimulating job and wanting to learn every day of your lives.
But someone has to "blow the whistle" on this con called LEARNING.
Someone somewhere is eventually going to do this and you will eventually be exposed as the intellectual pussies you are!
I only hope that it is sooner then later and that everyone comes to know the joys of blissfull IGNORANCE!!!!!
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
"....I sure wish I had completed high school so I could try to get into college and get me one of these 'big-paying' jobs!!"
Never would have happened, we can all see why you didn't complete highschool, you're a moron!
" talk about all these idiots spending $50,000.00 to $100,000.00 grand on an education to become an evolutionist because I have no idea what it costs to go to college and do a science degree.."
And you obviously don't know what a successful doctor or biologist can make after they've learned about evolution and gotten a degree!
"But someone has to "blow the whistle" on this con called LEARNING."
yeah, that's a real con game that "learning"..... Really hasn't done much for the human race, has it.....
As I sit back after getting that PhD I thought would make me superior, I get a bill for over $1000.00 a month for student loans. Fuck, Ive got rent, utilities, car payments, insurance, etc., and now this too!!!
I feel so stupid, Peter Jennings never finished High School, and Bill Gates has no PhD.
I realize I simply regurgitate the Hymns of Evolution that I convinced myself was "education". But since I know them so well I call Bos Hogg, but he tells me my PhD is marginally marketable and there are few job opportunities available.
After selling crack for a few years, finally a job as an evolutionist comes up. But my student loans have nearly doubled, with being in default, and all those interest charges are a bitch!!
Most of my evolution friends work in libraries, banks, and as used car salesmen, so I was "lucky" to get this evolution job.
I do feel a little guilty for falsifying evidence in favor of evolution. But my pride and ego that made me think others were jealous (who knows perhaps I just convinced myself of this?), I just could not stop my impulses to FALSIFY FALSIFY FALSIFY!!!!!
Besides, I enjoyed the Evolution Is Fact Club! The conferences, lectures, and the adreneline rush one gets when MY research gets published in a peer reviewed journal. Its almost better then sex!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know I need help for this fuckin addiction to falsify evidence in favor of evolution. BUT I SIMPLY CANT HELP MYSELF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jonathan: As I sit back after getting that PhD I thought would make me superior, I get a bill for over $1000.00 a month for student loans. Fuck, Ive got rent, utilities, car payments, insurance, etc., and now this too!!!
gallo: Then you're a moron. No one with any intelligence thinks that a degree is going to make him/her superior. And $1000/month? Did you borrow the money from a loan shark? How stupid. There are a lot better sources to borrow money from.
Jonathan: I feel so stupid, Peter Jennings never finished High School, and Bill Gates has no PhD.
gallo: You should feel stupid because, to all appearances, you are. Peter Jennings had charisma, was perceptive and intelligent. Gates demonstrated genius in his field. You, however, are a doofus, unintelligent, repelling personality, not much in the way of intelligence, and you don't bathe frequently enough.
Jonathan: I realize I simply regurgitate the Hymns of Evolution that I convinced myself was "education".
gallo: Then you are a double doofus. Only an idiot would act that way.
Jonathan: But since I know them so well I call Bos Hogg, but he tells me my PhD is marginally marketable and there are few job opportunities available.
gallo: Too much time dwelling on juvenile TV programs or movie remakes of the same. No wonder you don't know what's going on.
Jonathan: After selling crack for a few years, finally a job as an evolutionist comes up. But my student loans have nearly doubled, with being in default, and all those interest charges are a bitch!!
gallo: Then you are triple stupid. You haven't got enough ability to even get a job? Your grades must have been barely adequate to get buy. How many times was your dissertation rejected? Several, I bet. And you couldn't even make money selling drugs? You let your loans default. How utterly dumb can you be. No one does that.
Jonathan: Most of my evolution friends work in libraries, banks, and as used car salesmen, so I was "lucky" to get this evolution job.
gallo: Stupid. Evolutionary biologists either work at universities, teach, or work for various government agencies (Park Service, Forest Service, NOAA and so on. Many work for private agencies that deal with agriculture, forestry, and wildlife.
Jonathan: I do feel a little guilty for falsifying evidence in favor of evolution.
gallo: You should since it isn't necessary. No wonder you can't find a job. Falsifying evidence is a sure career ender. But you're too dumb to realize that.
Jonathan: But my pride and ego that made me think others were jealous (who knows perhaps I just convinced myself of this?), I just could not stop my impulses to FALSIFY FALSIFY FALSIFY!!!!!
gallo: But it is typical of creationists. Just look at the kind of tripe that is put out by the ICR, Henry Morris (before he died), Duane Gish, Ken Ham and Answers in Genesis, and the worst of all, Kent Hovind, Carl Baugh and Don Patton. Hovind, Baugh and Patton, like you, pretend that they have PhD degrees.
Jonathan: Besides, I enjoyed the Evolution Is Fact Club! The conferences, lectures, and the adreneline rush one gets when MY research gets published in a peer reviewed journal. Its almost better then sex!!!!!!!!!!!!
gallo: No one so stupid has ever had a paper published in a real peer reviewed journal. That would be a certain career ended. You see, if you had been falsifying data, you would be caught for sure if you published it. That's usually how frauds like you are caught.
Jonathan: I know I need help for this fuckin addiction to falsify evidence in favor of evolution. BUT I SIMPLY CANT HELP MYSELF
gallo: The you are fuckin' crazy besides being stupid. There isn't any need to falsify evidence. The real evidence shows beyond any reasonable doubt that common descent is true. Only an idiot doesn't accept natural selection. T.H. Huxley, when he read Darwin's book, "On The Origin Of Species" remarked, "How stupid of me not to have thought of that."
that you have failed to answer any question or discuss any problem that has been put to you. Instead you post drivel that has nothing to do with the issue. You have conclusively shown that you don't understand the topic. You don't even understand why you are wrong.
Look I know I've never studied at college level, got a PhD, or published a research paper, but I'm really JEALOUS!!!
I can't help my SOUR GRAPES even though I've admitted that evolution is probably true, you guys have embarassed me so much because of my ignorance that I'm going to continue to post these nonsensical accusations as a sort of self-satisfying means of getting even.
I know I look even sillier and more IGNORANT when I do these things BUT I SIMPLY CANT HELP MYSELF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
" think of all these idiots spending $50,000.00 to $100,000.00 grand on an education to become an evolutionist."
Yeah those doctors and biologists don't know what they're talking about.......
"All the hard work jumping through all those hoops, they get their "prestigious" PhD, and then get thrown out into the "real world"."
And to think, all they get for their hoop jumping is fame, fortune and knowledge, when they could have stayed home watching Dukes of Hazard".....
"But now that he has invested all this time energy and money, he knows he'd better "play the game" of evolution."
Like discovering new medical treatments, increasing crop yields, increasing food production, creating better manufacturing techniques, heck of a game......
"Now I really dont blame you evolutionists for your actions. I actually feel sorry for you guys. "
Yeah, I don't blame "evolutionists" either, since the theory of evolution is so successful. And yeah, you probably do feel sorry for anyone who isn't stupid enough to watch mindless TV.
From the National Academy of Science:
http://www.nap.edu/readingroom/books/evolution98/evol5.html
"Scientists most often use the word "fact" to describe an observation. But scientists can also use fact to mean something that has been tested or observed so many times that there is no longer a compelling reason to keep testing or looking for examples. The occurrence of evolution in this sense is a fact. Scientists no longer question whether descent with modification occurred because the evidence supporting the idea is so strong."
From the Society of Systematic Biologists:
http://www.ncseweb.org/resources/articles/5684_statements_from_scientific_an_12_19_2002.asp#ssb
"The historical fact of evolution, as common descent with modification for life on earth, and the concepts used to study evolutionary change in living systems, provide the unifying theme for all biological knowledge. This is aptly summarized in Dobzhansky's statement that "nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution." "
All biologists agree.....
Evolution is a fact. Game over.
Im sure every "expert" organization can make similar claims. Find some experts in Buddism and they all agree on something. Find some "experts" in fundamentalist christianity and they all agree on something.
Like Im supposed to be in aw that these "organizations" say such and such. Ill bow down before their master and stroke their egos.
Like a blind hamster running around in his cage, Demon knows that if he accepts evolution he will get some recognition from his "peers" and he then can walk around with his nose in the air and be then associated with these prestgious organizations:)
Fuckin in A! Just join some Country Club and play Polo with the guys:)
"Im sure every "expert" organization can make similar claims."
Wrong. Organizations like the National Academy of Science are "experts" because their members best understand the available evidence. So not every organization can make these claims AND back them up with evidence like the ones I mentioned can.
"Find some experts in Buddism and they all agree on something. Find some "experts" in fundamentalist christianity and they all agree on something."
Sure, but they can't support their claims with cold, hard evidence, logic and the scientific method, just as you can't support any of your claims
with evidence, logic or the scientific method. So, like a typical, uneducated creationist, you ignore the facts, ignore the evidence presented to you and quickly take the discussion off in a nonsensical direction.
"Like Im supposed to be in aw that these "organizations" say such and such. Ill bow down before their master and stroke their egos."
No one is telling you to bow down to them, either accept their explaination or refute it. You and your creationist ilk can't refute it. The scientific method is the most unbiased, objective and successful method we have to explore the natural world and using this method, evolution is valid. You're welcome to falsify it, but you don't even understand what the theory of evolution.
"Like a blind hamster running around in his cage, Demon knows that if he accepts evolution he will get some recognition from his "peers" and he then can walk around with his nose in the air and be then associated with these prestgious organizations:)"
Ha ha hahahaaa! I'm just stating the facts...... I accept evolution because it's valid.
"Fuckin in A! Just join some Country Club and play Polo with the guys:)"
I figured you were a member of some elitist country club. Its called the "Evolution Is Fact Club"
You guys get to walk around all snobby, looking down at others while perceiving yourselfs as intellectually superior. You can pretend it is some sort of "objective" and "non-biased" club, but like crooked cops who never plant evidence to get a conviction, you play the part and give each other a "wink" as you testify as to how this "evidence" was found in an objective and non-biased manner.
Join the club and get recognition from your peers. You can attend conferences and get jobs as professors. You can sell books and textbooks and make a little coin $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Evolution is a multi-billion dollar a year industry. Scientists con governments to get grants to do "research", millions of books and textbooks are purchased each year, etc..
And you have the "evidence" to support it too:) Talk about a perfect scam!! Its like crooked cops planting evidence to get convictions. The DA's office and the judges are all in on it too.
It basically comes down to $$$$$$ and control. Like just about everything else:)
Jonathan: You guys get to walk around all snobby, looking down at others while perceiving yourselfs as intellectually superior.
gallo: You miss the point. Whine as you might, since we have made the effort to educate ourselves, we are intellectually superior. You don't know what you are talking about.
Jonathan: You can pretend it is some sort of "objective" and "non-biased" club, but like crooked cops who never plant evidence to get a conviction, you play the part and give each other a "wink" as you testify as to how this "evidence" was found in an objective and non-biased manner.
gallo: Whine - whine. It's a grand conspiracy to make the ignorant look ignorant. You have no idea of what science is or how it works, so you make ignorant and uneducated claims, based on mythology, that you are being treated unfairly. It isn't a private club. It's open to all. But the price of membership is education. Superstitious whining, like yours, is laughed at.
Jonathan: Join the club and get recognition from your peers. You can attend conferences and get jobs as professors. You can sell books and textbooks and make a little coin
gallo: Very little, actually. It may seem like a lot to you since due to your lack of education you can only hold minimum wage jobs.
Jonathan: Evolution is a multi-billion dollar a year industry. Scientists con governments to get grants to do "research", millions of books and textbooks are purchased each year, etc.
gallo: There you go making unsupported assertions again. Give some examples of some of the ways the Scientists con governments. Please be specific. I guess the schools you went to didn't bother to spend money on textbooks, in things like English, history, government and the like. Generally speaking, more money is spent on books for those subjects than on science texts. But of course, as you say, you didn't have history, English or government texts, which explains a lot.
Jonathan: And you have the "evidence" to support it too:) Talk about a perfect scam!! Its like crooked cops planting evidence to get convictions. The DA's office and the judges are all in on it too.
gallo: No. Your education seems to limit your ability to understand. That and probably the fact that you seem to have been duped by some ministry. The evidence is available for all to study. It takes effort and lots of time. You have to learn to think rationally, and you have to learn that your religion is irrelevant in science. Funny how you use a computer, take medications, drive a car, use electricity, and on and on, and then whine about science and government grants.
Jonathan: It basically comes down to $$$$$$ and control. Like just about everything else:)
gallo: Pathetic whining. You don't understand so it must be about money rather than the fact that you are too lazy and stupid to learn the basics of the topic.
You evolutionists are like the Three Stooges and The Dukes of Hazard teaming up.
Boss Hog the crooked mayor of the town, and Rossco P Coldtrain the crooked and simply stupid deputy. They plant evidence, put a little cocaine in someones trunk and then present it to the DA. The DA being a little crooked himself decides to procecute based on this "evidence". Since nobody can "refute" it nor prove it fradulent the poor sucker gets convicted. They forge "crime statistics" to show some new and expensive government assisted program to reduce crime is working, so they should continue to get the money to fund the program.
Boss Hog gets some sort of a kick back so does the DA. And around and around it goes. A perfect scam.
Boss Hog and the DA get to look like Knights in Shinning Armour, and look down at these guys they planted evidence on. They go to the local Country Club and sip whine, and talk about how they are superior and laugh at those poor guys they put in jail.
Ya, evolutionists are pathetic. But in a way I also feel sorry for them.
Yeah, stick with those irrelevant analogies because it's obvious you don't know what you're talking about. Evolutionists are pathetic? Hardly, evolution is the corner stone of modern biology. So keep mouthing off, it's amusing to watch you yammer away without saying anything. You can't refute the evidence, you don't know what evolution is, you don't know how science works. Your only recourse is to do what your doing now, ignore the facts, ignore reality and shoot your mouth off. Heck, you're whole frame of reference seems to be bad TV sit-coms! Yeah, you're a real Einstein!
Darwin could easily been Boss Hog in the town of Evolution. So that must mean Demon38 could be viewed as Rosco P Coldtrain. Gallo is the crooked DA and Miquel valsifies those crime statistics to get all that government money$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I remember PBS putting on a show called Evolution. They wanted over $100.00 for VHS copies. They had it all set up to. You could see people in the background taking phone calls as they gave their speach about "education" and "supporting programs like this", etc..
I could not help but think to myself: I wonder how many suckers they are going to get?:)
Dont be naive and stupid!!
Its all about the money honey! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
As Pink Floyd once sang "money; keep your hands off my stack"
Your particular brand of wit, humor and creativity has got me on the floor laughing. I have never read something of the works of you Jonathan! You are like a breath of fresh air in a room of stinky evolutionists, who have stunk up the room, with their burping and farting about evolution! Each time the evolutionists respond with their boring and dull responses, you just keep responding with originality and new hilarious material that I have never read before.
If Demon38, Miguel, gallo and Martha were to switch their names around, I couldn’t tell ‘who is who’ because they all sound the same and use the same ‘worn out arguments’ that every other evolutionist uses on the forums, after getting boners while reading talkorigins. They never come up with anything new or original.
I truly appreciate your hilarious art! Your brand of humor is truly rare!
You just proved what I said about you. I said you people are unable to come up with new material, let alone original material, and sure enough, you bring up old material, proving what I said. Thanks!
"If Demon38, Miguel, gallo and Martha were to switch their names around, I couldn’t tell ‘who is who’ because they all sound the same and use the same ‘worn out arguments’ that every other evolutionist uses on the forums, after getting boners while reading talkorigins. They never come up with anything new or original."
We don't have to use new arguments, you creationists were never able to falsify the old ones!
Once again I ask you to explain, in your own words, what you believe evolution is: what it seeks to explain, what mechanisms power it, and what it predicts.
How long are you going to continue avoiding this question?
Or is knowledge about evolution inconsequential to critiquing it?
Boss Hog?!?! We're trying to discuss evolution and this boob talks about the Dukes of Hazard?!?! The most moronic show that ever aired? Stick to bad TV and leave the important stuff like biology to the big boys.
And I see you're still ignoring the stuff you don't understand, like everything we're talking about. Do your self a favor and get an education......
"I figured you were a member of some elitist country club. Its called the "Evolution Is Fact Club" "
There's no club, just reality, which you obviously can't accept.
"Evolution is a multi-billion dollar a year industry. Scientists con governments to get grants to do "research", millions of books and textbooks are purchased each year, etc.."
Nonsense! Evolution is a valid biological theory, it is the corner stone of modern biology. It is immensely useful in our world. It is integral to modern medecine, modern farming and animal husbandry, it is successfully utilized in industry. And the reason it is so successful, why it's vital to our world, is because it's valid. Scientists don't con anyone, they're always ready, willing and eager to disprove a theory. The fact that evolution has never been falsified, despite scientists trying for the last 150 years, is a testament to it's validity. Your statement just shows you don't know how the world works in general and you don't know what science is in particular.
"And you have the "evidence" to support it too:) Talk about a perfect scam!! Its like crooked cops planting evidence to get convictions. The DA's office and the judges are all in on it too."
Giving up on the football analogies?!?! Switching to the court room fallacy..... Sorry, no, you are 100% wrong. The evidence is out there, anybody can examine it. People like you who bithc and moan just don't have the guts or the intelligence to examine it for themselves. No crooked cops planting it, unless you're calling nature crooked. And if you believe in God, that means you're calling God crooked.
So whine all you want, you don't understand the evidence, you don't understand science, so like the scared, ignorant, superstitious bumpkin you are, you decry those smarter than you, you claim that your stupid fairytales are more valid than reality.
"It basically comes down to $$$$$$ and control. Like just about everything else:)"
Well, in a way you're right but for the wrong reasons. Evolution is vital to modern industry, farming, animal husbandry, medecine. If it wasn't valid, we couldn't successfully apply it as we do today. If farmers, hospitals, medical researchers, indusry couldn't make money using the theory of evolution, they wouldn't use it. But as I said, it is successfully applied, it works, farmers raise more and better crops, fisheries produce larger yields, medicines are more effective, doctors can better treat patients, industry can produce better products, all thanks to the theory of evolution. If it wasn't valid, it's applications wouldn't work, and nobody would be making money off it.
And see you still can't argue about the nuts and bolts of the theory of evolution. You avoid specifics because you don't know what your talking about. Typical small minded fundy. Believe your ignorant leaders and accuse the rest of the world of conspiracy because you're too afraid or too stupid to look a the facts........
As I jump up and down in the end zone after being made a fool of, I realise I can do nothing else but a little trash talking:)
So I'll claim Miquel calls me Hitler:)
And that Demon38 has nothing to offer, except his damned logical points.
And as I ponder the question "can evolution really be debunked?" Gallo shows how utterly ignorant I am and that "95% of what I say is in ignorance of the facts".
The score board places me way behind the evolution guys, and I am left sweating like a creationist in the Smithsonian.
BTW Gallo, do you think that 5% of my comments could be right after all!?
Nah....I guess you're right. Everything I say is a bunch of crap
I guess never having scored a touchdown against anything, much less against the leading team evolution, I have to try to attract a lot of attention. :)
Few people liked Kirby Puckett from the Minnesota Twins, except for Twins Fans but at least he could play a good game. I can't even string an intelligible sentence together. :)
I wish I could score some sort of Home Run for my creationist team.
SOUR GRAPES SOUR GRAPES SOUR GRAPES SOUR GRAPES...if I can't actually win an argument then I'm damn well going to pretend I have!!!!
I like to pretend the score board places those 7 points on the board for my side - us good guys the creationists, while the evolutionists cringe and their faces turn red.
After all if they use unfair tactics like knowledge of the subject how else am I ever going to win?
Either Jonathan can't understand simple English or he's lying.
Herewith the reproduced instance of me mentioning Hitler:
"Jonathan knows so little that I believe he feels that if he continues repeating assertions (much like Hitler) often enough then they'll come true (or be accepted). LOL."
Hey Jonathan care to explain your understanding of evolution yet?
Come on, this guy has nothing! He can't falsify the evidence for reptile to mammal evolution, hell, he doesn't even understand it! So he puts on this little song and dance, ignoring the facts and pretending it's a football game. No knowledge, no debating skills, no integrity...Good Guy?!?! He's the poster child for willful ignorance.
To claim that you scored anything would presume that you actually have specific knowledge of the topic and were competent to discuss it. So demonstrate that you are not just another ignorant, creationist troll and give us some specific information about reptiles and early mammals, and why this information debunks evolutionary theory, as you claim. If you cannot do this, it will conclusively demonstrate that you are the ignorant troll that we know you to be. Your failure to intelligently discuss the topic will reveal you for a fool.
Please enumerate the salient features by which reptiles can be differentiated from mammals. I am asking for major physiological differences that enable paleontologists to differentiate between reptile bones and mammal bones. In other words, "hair v. scales", "live young v. egg laying", and "feeds young with milk" are not sufficient. By doing this, you will have displayed your ability to actually intelligently discuss the topic and to make valid comparisons.
Next, please discuss the specific characteristics of the following fossil organisms/groups of organisms, and the specific characteristics from the above list that each displays that either supports or negates your view. I will give you an approximate age for each so that you won't be confused.
Paleothyris
Protoclepsydrops haplous
Clepsydrops
The above are all about 312 to 325 ma. To further assist you, please discuss the significance of the fenestra in each.
Archaeothyris - 312 to 299 ma
Haptodus - 299 to 286 ma
Varanops - 286 to 265 ma
Dimetrodon - 286 ma ± 10 ma and/or
Sphenacodon - 286 ma ± 10 ma as examples of the large group of sphenacodont reptiles
Biarmosuchia - 265 to 245 ma * be sure to discuss the importance of certain characteristics of this taxa to a later, major group.
Procynosuchus - 250 to 245 ma * Same as above except in relation to another group of organisms.
Dvinia - 250 to 245 ma * looking for discussion relevant to different morphological features from the above.
Thrinaxodon - 245 to 235 ma
Cynognathus - 240 ma
Diademodon - 240 ma
Probelesodon - 239 to 235 ma
Probainognathus - 239 to 235 ma
Exaeretodon - 239 ma
Adelobasileus cromptoni - 225 ma
Pachygenelus, Diarthrognathus - 209 ma
Oligokyphus, Kayentatherium - 208 ma
Sinoconodon - 208 ma
Kuehneotherium - 205 ma
Eozostrodon, Morganucodon, Haldanodon - ~205 ma
Peramus - ~155 ma
Endotherium - 147 ma
Kielantherium, Aegialodon - 140 ma
Steropodon galmani - 140 ma
Vincelestes neuquenianus - 135 ma
Pariadens kirklandi - 95 ma
Kennalestes, Asioryctes - 70 ma
Cimolestes, Procerberus, Gypsonictops - 65 ma
That should do. Remember, you must discuss the salient morphology of each of the above as enumerated in the list that you supplied and why the presence of those characteristics debunk evolutionary theory in order to "score points." Failure to do so exposes creationism as a fraud and you as an ignorant troll. In other words, you forfeit.
Ive already shown knowledge. No need to run it into the ground. What you cant do is show what is ancestral to what. Yet, evolutionists claim there is some smooth transition and they all share a common ancestor.
gallo: No. You have shown the extent of your knowledge, which is nil. It is quite clear that you don't understand what you oppose.
Jonathan: No need to run it into the ground.
gallo: I'm not. I'm just asking for some basic discussion to support your straw man.
Jonathan: What you cant do is show what is ancestral to what.
gallo: Why do you think that it is necessary to do so. It isn't about ancestral, it's about transitional characters.
Jonathan: Yet, evolutionists claim there is some smooth transition and they all share a common ancestor.
gallo: What common ancestor? There were probably lots of common ancestors among the various lineages that have been found. They span more than 260 million years. The synapsids probably shared a common ancestor, as is most likely with the sphenacodonts, therapsids, therocephalians (one of which was probably ancestral to the therapsids), cynodonts, tritylodontids (which had a cynodont ancestor), tritylodontids (also with cynodont ancestor), trithelodontids (another kind of cynodont). About 135 ma we start seeing the monotremes followed by marsupials.
Why is pointing out every ancestor necessary? Why don't you give us a list of your ancestors all the way back to Noah? That is quite recent compared to the reptile to mammal transition.
Jonathan: Score is still 7 points for the good guys:)
gallo: But you aren't the good guys - you're an ignorant troll and a liar.
Now that you have admitted that you aren't able to discuss the reptile to mammal transition, lets talk about the reptile/dinosaur/bird transition. That will give Miguel and I the opportunity to talk about our favorite fossil.
Jonathan: Someday it will be like 95% of scientists reject evolution,
gallo: Actually, the opposite seems to be true. Even Darwin was a creationist in 1831.
Further, creationism is actually a sign of an inferior or lacking education. Several polls have shown this to be true. Gallup, a young earth creationist himself, was shocked to find that the less education a person has, the more likely he is to be a creationist. Conversely, the more educated are more likely to accept evolution. Creationists are also less affluent, working at lower paying jobs involving manual labor rather than thought. They tend to be rural, southern, and female.
So you, Jonathan, are from Alabama, work as a farm hand at minimum wage, have a 7th grade education, and have lots of lace doilies in your tar-paper shack.
More trash talk:) Maybee Im from Alabama. Maybee Im from Boston. And maybee Im from South Africa. Who cares.
What you cant get around is that there are still 5% of scientists with PhD's who do not accept evolution. Perhaps it is only the scientists from Alabama who reject evolution?:) Those idiots from the University of Alabama are always stirring up trouble:)
More trash talk:) Maybee Im from Alabama. Maybee Im from Boston. And maybee Im from South Africa. Who cares.
gallo: Was that a question? I care since you seem to be a typical creationist. You show all the characteristics; scientific illiteracy, false pride, dishonesty, lack of ability to reason, and so on.
Jonathan: What you cant get around is that there are still 5% of scientists with PhD's who do not accept evolution.
gallo: The polls show that they were creationists before they became scientists. And most of that 5% are in fields that aren't very relevant to evolutionary theory, like chemistry, meteorology, hydraulics, biochemistry, even lawyers and mathematicians. Scientists in fields that are relative (biology, geology, physics, astrophysics) are evolutionists. And the numbers of creationist scientists isn't growing. I've been hearing that old saw for decades and still creationists have a hard time finding 100 real scientists with degrees in relative fields.
Jonathan: Perhaps it is only the scientists from Alabama who reject evolution?:) Those idiots from the University of Alabama are always stirring up trouble:)
gallo: Nope. Most scientists from Alabama are evolutionists, same as in the rest of the country.
Once again I ask you to explain, in your own words, what you believe evolution is: what it seeks to explain, what mechanisms power it, and what it predicts.
Let's see if you can prove you have some knowledge on a subject you critique.
My guess is that you're going to ignore this question - yet again.
;-P
Like the Three Stooges (except there are 4) Gallo, Martha, Miquel, and now Demon 38!
Im the running back and you idiots are on the front line. Like OJ Simpson on steroids I blast through your defense laughing all the way to the touchdown line and SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You guys are so stupid you dont even know when you have been debunked!!
Unbelievable:)
Demon 38's contribution is simply to say the reptile-mammal transition is one of the best documented cases of evolution. Miquel rambles on about the Gallopolos Islands, Gallo assumes evolution and states "but they are all descended from the same ancestor" that's a nice story for a Fairy Tale book, and Martha knows her ABC's. Yes, I know first is A, then B and finally you get ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ
Let's bring out Barney, the pink dinosaur and have a sing along:)
"You guys are so stupid you dont even know when you have been debunked!!"
In order to debunk a theory, you have to provide another theory that better explains the observable evidence, you haven't been able to do this, so you have debunked nothing. Looks like you don't know how science works.
"Demon 38's contribution is simply to say the reptile-mammal transition is one of the best documented cases of evolution."
Yes, the fossil evidence is conslusive, all the experts agree, you are unable to falsify that evidence, you lose.
Just another scientific illiterate with an over active imagination and nothing else. Get a better education and try again.....
It is the pinnacle of stupidity to claim that you have defeated the central tenet of biology with a few straw man objections on a message board. For almost 150 years, the theories of evolution have been tested again and again and have to date been supported in all but trivial cases. Evolutionary theory is so secure that virtually every degreed biologist in the world accepts evolution. In fact, polls have shown that about 95% of all degreed scientists accept evolution as the best explanation of the observations. That number grows to more than 99% of geologists and biologists. And you, scientifically illiterate, stunningly illogical, and profoundly dishonest, claim that you have won.
Jonathan knows so little that I believe he feels that if he continues repeating assertions (much like Hitler) often enough then they'll come true (or bve accepted). LOL.
I will cut and paste the substance of my last question to him - watch carefully and see him avoid it YET AGAIN. ;-P
Jonathan, you believe your 'opinion' based on the inadequate knowledge you have, is actually worthy of logical consideration - it isn't, simply because you are demonstrably ignorant of the most basic premises regarding the subject.
However you can easily disuade us that you are ignorant quite easily.
Once again I ask you to explain, in your own words, what you believe evolution is: what it seeks to explain, what mechanisms power it, and what it predicts.