Ok for about two days i havent had time to update my website and today is the first time i have looked at it. To find some sick message on it. How could anyone think so low about River i adore him and always wil and i mean ALWAYS.
this is the mesage JGGY JAM has left on guestbook.
Here is what it says..........
It is almost sickening how so many people can worship a drug addict. River was a good actor but we were never able to know if he was a great actor. He killed himself before the world really got to know his acting abilities.
As an activist, River had some good qualities that allowed him to immerse himself in several charitable and environmental causes. Thank you River!
But as a human being, River was a miserable wretch who so loved his family and friends that one night he took enough drugs to kill a horse. As a result, River is now dead, and there is a legion of teenage girls around the world, worshipping a drug addict who killed himself. Nice going, River!
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Well...although his (her) message is rather caloused and mean-spirited, he does have a point. Nothing he (she) said is untrue. It's kind of hard for some of us to accept, but the fact remains that River did have a serious drug problem.
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But it dont give her/he the right to even say things like that on my website.
It's not for haters.
River did do drugs but he did not kill himself read the story and it says his FRIEND gave him the drug. He should of been put away. River should of never of died. Show some Respect.
It just really P's me off when people say such mean things about him. He was a good young man with a heart of gold.
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Elle, I hate to inform you but River did kill himself. Yes, he got the drugs from someone else. But this someone else was a drug dealer. This drug dealer did not force River to take the drugs. River took them himself. He made the conscious decision every day to take drugs. He was addicted to drugs. A drug addict. A junkie. Plain and simple. And we're not talking about a pot smoker here. Autopsy showed lethal levels of cocaine and morphine (heroin shows up as morphine, as the body metabolizes it), Valium, marijuana and ephedrine. Ephedrine is the main ingredient found in crystal meth. Official cause of death was Acute multiple drug ingestion. Elle, he was not a casual drug user.
You like to praise River, but you really need to look at who you are idolizing. River was not a good role model. Yes, his heart was in the right place, but he had problems. Big problems. And he died because of these problems. And you should not be praising a junkie. Fmaily and friends were unable to curb his appetitie for destruction.
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Ok i understand what you are saying.
But i will idolize him. You dont have to.
You can call me A sicko or whatever but i know what his been through.Because i was going through it to. (not the drugs) but the pain.
But he will be my idol.
'Stand by me'
Elle
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I think you both have EVERY right to appreciate River for what he was, a wonderful humanbeing that had some troubles as we all do. (I am not only saying this because he is my cousin either)The fact that you see him in a positive light only shows that you have the ability to not only see a persons flaws, but the major positives that surround their life too. He had many more good things about him, not just a drug habit that only seemed to get the better of him in California.
Thank you both girls,
-RP
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Thank you. I really dont see him as a bad person.
His the light to my dark room.
And i really want to share the titles of my songs i wrote for him.
1. A tear
2. no one knew
3.Don't be afraid
4.Looking up to a star.
Forever Elle
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at the end of the day, just because someone uses drugs it doesn't make them a bad person. unless you have experience with addiction and depression jiggy jam you should not place judgement on others. though you do pose some reasonable points you do tend to go too far.
"But as a human being, River was a miserable wretch who so loved his family and friends that one night he took enough drugs to kill a horse." that is a highly flipant comment, that i suspect you just shoved in there for shock value.
yes, river died as a result of a drug problem, but you are hardly in a position to second guess how he felt about his family and friends.
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If a person takes enough drugs to kill themselves many times over, that means they were not thinking about their loved ones. That means that the only thing important to them at that times was the need to get high. "I'll forsake my family and loved ones for my next Jones." That's very selfish...all I'm saying.
And I'm sorry but I have a hard time seeing the good side of people who are drug addicts. I do have sympathy for people who have diseases or disabilities or even mental instability, but River made a conscious choice to do drugs. At the time of his death, the only difference between River and a homeless crackhead was the fact that River had money.
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Jiggy, just how do you know River was a drug addict
anyway? You don't. Just because someone ingests
a deadly hit of heroin, doesn't mean they are a long
time addict or the same as a homeless crackhead, etc.
He was a good person, and every person that knew him
would say that. You need to learn more about topics
you are making judgements on.
If anything it was his innocence and childlike
nature that was his downfall...and trusting and
befriending some people that exploited his flaws.
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lily i respect river as much as anyone on this site, which does mean that jiggy jam and i tend to lock horns quite a bit. but even i have to admit that you are speaking out of your rear end.
"Just because someone ingests a deadly hit of heroin, doesn't mean they are a long time addict" it wasn't just heroin in his system, it was cocaine, pot, valium and ephedrine, basically the end result of a SERIOUS DRUG PROBLEM! he had issues with drugs for years (as did many other child stars), and he should have seeked the help he needed.
i like to believe the best in people, but the "innocence and childlike nature" arguement is sooooooo sickly, not to mention deluded! and besides that excuse is already being used by michael jackson.
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You are totally correct Ana. My cousin was too concerned with EVERYONE else, and it put him under a tremendous amount of pressure. We also both grew up in COG, and the things he had to endure no one can imagine, and I wont go into it here as it is too perosnal and painful for me as I went through some of it too.
Yes, Rio had a problem that got the better of him, especially when in CA, but everything else about his life was well intended, and pure. He was always a people pleaser,very sensitive, and this was hos downfall. He had a problem, but he was not a bad peroson all in all.
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Go RP, and i am very sorry to hear you had a lot of pain growing up to, but i pray for you and the family, and i pray you have a long, happy,succesful and a beautiful life! I think you have to be a really sad person to hold it against someone who has a problem!
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jiggy jam, you have said before that you are against drugs and haven't been involved with them and that is very admirable. but i honestly feel that those who do drugs do them for a number of reasons, drug addiction is not black and white so the stigma that surrounds it is flawed.
i haven't lived a spotless life, but i am still a decent person. i have known people with drug habits, most of which stem from mental illness. i have been placed in serious danger because of someone elses habit. but i am not about to turn around and state that drug users bring it on themselves. every case is different, and as a rational person jiggy jam you should be aware of this.
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jiggy jam, you have said before that you are against drugs and haven't been involved with them and that is very admirable. but i honestly feel that those who do drugs do them for a number of reasons, drug addiction is not black and white so the stigma that surrounds it is flawed.
i haven't lived a spotless life, but i am still a decent person. i have known people with drug habits, most of which stem from mental illness. i have been placed in serious danger because of someone elses habit. but i am not about to turn around and state that drug users bring it on themselves. every case is different, and as a rational person jiggy jam you should be aware of this.
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Ana, you are correct. People handle difficult situations differently. We've all been through tough times. I had struggles and made the right decisions to NOT turn to drugs just as you did. You and I should be praised and idolized for the decisions we made, not those who made the wrong decisions. That's all I'm saying.
It troubles me that so many young people would choose those who are so disturbed and so weak to be their role model. River was not someone we should be praising. Let's praise those stars and celebrities who have faced the same celebrity pressures with a stronger hand and turned away from drugs. THOSE are the people we need to look up to. Not those like Chris Farley, John belushi, and River Phoenix.
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People are always going on bout drugs yet everyone that takes them deep down they need love and surport.
Unlike River i lived through my hard years.But in that short life of his he got to see the world, meet people. Thats one thing im not going to be able to do.
So take the time to understand problems before saying stuff about somebody else.
Forever Elle
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personally i think that people tend to underestimate the role of entertainment industry in celebrity drug addiction. it is a well known fact that early hollywood was rife with drug abuse, only it was kept under wraps considerably well until the studio system collapsed. people always knew this but very little could be proven as to the extent of the problem. if an ordinary person is placed in the extraordinary circumstance of celebrity then sooner or later their sense of right and wrong will be tested.
my general opinion is that the drug horror stories of belushi, farley and phoenix are a product of the times in which they occurred. it was their talent that propelled them to celebrity status, so it is fit to admire them in that respect. however it was the manner of their deaths that made them infamous, and thus serve as a warning to others.
in the case of river, he was very much a part of the child star phenomenon. he was a child who accumulated a large amount of wealth at a very young age, however he lacked the maturity to realize how best to spend it. hollywood is an adult environment, and for someone that is so young and impressionable it offers many disastrous temptations. river was not the first, and i doubt he'll be the last to end up as a drug addict. however, hopefully hollywood should have learned lessons from this tragedy and reviewed their duty of care to its present and future child stars.
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forget that river did drugs! is that all you talk about? is that all you know about river? he did great things like save rainforests and animals. and make beautiful movies for people to enjoy. He brought tears, but also smiles.
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why is everyone so quick to point out the bad in people?
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January 27 2006, 4:37 PM
Why is everyone always so quick to find the bad in people.
We should try to focus on the good.
The world today has so much hate and it is poisoning us all. Try from now on to focus on the good aspects of people, don't dwell on the bad because it will eat you up inside.
We're all good and we're all bad. No one is perfect. Everyone makes mistakes. Don't judge them for these. Learn from them.
Embrace positivity. You will be happier because of it.
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