I think that River Phoenix should have taken better care to ensure his future, his career, and his life. His death could have been prevented, without a doubt. I have recently become interested in River Phoenix and have been reading about him and his family, and quite frankly, I'm appalled at the actions of his flaky parents. These two people..drifters, came together, took quite a few drugs themselves, and decided to procreate.Did they have their children because they wanted children, or because they wanted a meal ticket? From all accounts, they brought 5 children into the world..all the while traveling from place to place..sponging off of others, exposing their children to questionable religious groups, encouraging their children to panhandle, etc. To the best of my knowledge, non of these children ever had any formal education. Then ultimately, basicially....they prostituted their children into the entertainment world because they were either unwilling or unable to get real jobs. I read somewhere that at the time of River's death, he was taking care of 12 people that were living at his parents ranch in Florida. Could you imagine the pressure? I am not saying that he is innocent of the acts which ultimately killed him, but wow......I shudder to imagine his reality. It makes me think of his brother, Joaquin, the only surviving son. I'm sure everyone knows about his recent trip to rehab. Has he since become the breadwinner in the family? That poor guy. I read a quote yesterday about the Phoenix parents which summed it up perfectly......."Nirvana is apparently found bypassing progressive child labor laws and creating a vegan gravy train for parents who think hard work is for the birds."..........Excactly.
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it's hard to imagine the lives others lead. who knows how they spent their days. why do we judge so easily and assume that because we are breathing that we have somehow found the path. what people bypass is the reality that we will all end up where river is, what makes it any nobler to die of cancer at 83 then it was to die full of life at 23. no one should be remembered because they died, billions of people have died, it is because we lived and did something remarkable that we are remembered.
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not sure what your standards are, but i certainly don't think that its noble to OD on a sidewalk. infact that is probably one of the least noble ways to go.
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Why the hell would you want to OD on a sidewalk? Lol, Id rather be murdered(if I was River) because of his fame, I think the thing that freaked his family out so much was someone taking a photo of him on the sidewalk!
Me myself would want to die old and in my bed :P lol!
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Well, all I can say to you, Curious, is that you really have NO right to judge people you do not know. My Aunt and Uncle were good parents, when things started going bad in the COG, they got out. Riv unfortunately took the brunt of the family pressure, and since he was so sensitive, it eventaully got the better of him, along with temptation. He was an adult, and he made his own decisions. I grew up in the COG too, so did my other cousins (Rivers siblings), and all of them are wonderful compassionate, and loving adults today, and none of them are into drugs. (Me included.)River had more pressure than anyone should, and he made mistakes, like all of us.
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How is it Heart and Johns fault! You know, he made his own descisions, and that had nothing to do with his parents! I think RP would know a lot more about the family than us!
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Ok, first things first. Upon entering this site, there is a warning. I believe it says something like "don't expect kisses and roses". If you expect nothing but glowing reviews of River Phoenix and his clan, then you are on the wrong board. Second, I think I made an educated judgment based on the facts, facts that I've read in magazines, online, from interviews that I've seen. Alot of the stories I mentioned in my initial post came directly from the mouths of some of the Phoenix family. I would imagine the reason why they were so open about some of the things in their lives was because they didn't see anything wrong with those things. They chose to romanticize their pasts. Finally, third...RP...I have read several of your posts throughout this board, and I have to say.....when I talk about my cousins......I don't keep referring to them as my cousins......as if I am trying to convince myself as well as others......as if I don't want anyone to forget. It's like name dropping, most people who engage in those sort of things are never sincere. I find that your claims are lacking credibility. I am allowed to believe that if I chose, along with anything else. After all, this is a message board, and opinions are welcome. Have a nice day!
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This person (RP) is NOT a relative of the the Phoenix (Bottom) family. Through the website owner of this board, information was given to me about the IP address of RP, etc. This person is a fraud. It's a girl that wants people to think she's a relative. It gives her a sense of importance. I, personally, think it's sick and she needs some help. Don't believe eveything you read on the Internet or people who claim to be so-and-so.
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River's parents were flaky to the max. Immature, lazy and out of touch with reality. Don't swallow the bull from RP75 or RP, she is not a relative of River's family. She gets off pretending to do so. Don't fall for it.
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Re: Not a relative
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May 31 2005, 9:13 PM
In response to post by James - No such information (ip address) is ever shared or passed on about visitors to the board. In fact, we don't even collect any information, have no way of collecting it, and don't care to do so.
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Well, as Jiggy said Ally, there is no info, so he caught "James" in a lie. Dont worry about his other posts insulting you either. Keep your head up, you are young, and doing fine.
Thank you Joggy for clearing that up. It is VERY uncool for others to say that you are sharing info about other members when that does not exist.
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Ok, well I stand by my post. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that the issue here is whether or not any of the info I mentioned about the Phoenix clan is true. I think everyone knows that it is. I think the issue is how I've chosen to interpret that information. Like I've said before, some of the Phoenix clan themselves have spoken of these different events in their pasts. I have been a River Phoenix fan since I was a little girl, and I remember reading about some of those stories then, years before River died. Of course, at the time, I thought that it was neat, and cool, etc....But now that I am an adult, and I have children of my own, I see how scary and irresponsible the actions of the Phoenix parents were. I also stand by my assessment of RP. I find it very hard to believe that any member of the Phoenix family would post on any message board and actually admit that they are a relative. Especially this board. It's one thing for all of us to post on this board, but you? If you were really a relative, then you would be contributing to the sensationalism of River's death. I'm sure any true relative of the Phoenix family would never want or do that.
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hey james, where did you hear such a lie like that! Of course River phoenix was part of that family. Why would they have pictures together and I've never heard such thing like that!
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oh, that explains it. Thank alot. I mean that is true, if he was part of RP family then ask him to tell us some facts about the family! something we don't know!
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I think that the actions that Arlyn (Heart) and John took were kind of...unwise, but I am sure that it wasnt for a meal ticket or anythingk, they had a dream, like many others at the time, that they could save the world with their children, maybe that was unfair on River, Rain, Liberty, Joaquin and Summer, but thats what they did, I dont think that they meant it to hurt anyone, they wanted their little group of kids, whom they loved deeply, to conquour the world, maybe they went about it a bit strangely or wrongly, but I dont think it was deliberately to get a multi-millionaire son (Two now) and loads of money
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Keep your head up, you are young, and doing fine.