June 17 2005 at 8:58 AM Average Score 1.0 (2 people)
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Ally, Elle and all you other wierd people, River has gone so GET OVER IT.
Why are you all just sapping here like his coming back. River was a junkie, and theres no denying it. get you head out of your asses.
River knew what he was doing, it was his own tought he killed himself
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well ilike to come on here when I have nothing to do, I like to read what people say and even though I was only 3 when river died, I either agree, or disagree but I give an opion!
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have you ever been on drugs? Yes he did kill his own self but maybe he thought he would never get addicted and did. Addiction is a powerfull thing. Also many people want to keep his memory alive. If you had someone die in your life you wouldnt just want to forget about them you woul want to remember them and what they did.
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You say: "Just because he was on drugs, why does that make it ok for people to say he should be forgotten"
Well, because most people don't like to associate themselves with drug addicts. Do you hang out with drug addicts at school or work? Then why in death?
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I find it funny that the people bashing River lovers for posting on this board, post equally (if not more) on here! It doesn’t make any sense. I think there should be some formal registration on here so the trolls will stop bashing River lovers, posting under multiple names, ect.
Yes, River did drugs -- like millions of other young people, and unfortunately, he paid the ultimate price. That, however, definitely doesn’t make him a bad person. He had personal demons that we know nothing about; he was only human. And please remember that he did this to HIMSELF -- it’s not like he went out and murdered another person! I'm confident that he didn’t want to die that night and that it was accidental -- which makes it all the more sad.
The drugs shouldn’t overshadow his overall message. He was a positive force in our world and is greatly missed.
People still remember and pay homage to John Lennon (who was killed in 1980). People still remember and pay homage to Janis Joplin (who died in 1970)....I could go on....Why is paying homage and remembering River any different?????
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Jiggy Jam (Login JiggyJam) Morbidly Boards Moderator
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June 30 2005, 7:54 AM
Yes, you are right, we are looking at making registration mandatory in the near future.
You say " we pay homage to Janis Joplin" and "pay homage to John Lennon". We should not praise Janis Joplin because she was a junkie. She's not someone to pattern our lives after nor someone to be looked at as a role model. But here's the difference. Janis was not very good looking so people don't worship her like they did River. Kind of hypocritical don't you think? Also, why are people willing to emulate the good things River did but can so easily overlook the bad. very hypocritical don't you think?
Now, on to John Lennon. He is a bit more acceptable as a role model. He did not kill anybody. Yes, he took drugs but he reportedly sought help and was cleaned up and sober in his latter years. That is commendable. It's still very dangerous worshipping a celebrity. Don't do it.
You say "it’s not like he went out and murdered another person!" Well, it's really no different than if he had killed someone else. He killed someone, but I guess luckily it was himself that he killed. River Phoenix killed someone.
Remembering these people (River, Lennon, Joplin) is one thing... patterning one's life after them is another. I'm sure you have seen many of the posts on here from people who literally do things that River did. This is very disheartening, We all too often read about a young person who attempted something very stupid because they saw a celebrity do it, or they saw it on TV.
You say "The drugs shouldn’t overshadow his overall message." Well, that really couldn't be any more off-base. River liked drugs. River took drugs. And River's friends took drugs. River was about drugs. To deny that is being very naive. Drugs were in River's soul. YOU CAN'T CHOOSE TO ACCEPT THE GOOD THINGS ABOUT HIM WHILE TURNING A BLIND EYE TO THE BAD. That goes for anybody, celebrity or not.
Like I've said before. Is this an acceptable satement? Charles Manson was good person except for his little problem he had with mass murder.
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You’re now comparing River Phoenix to Charles Manson??????? I think you need professional help. Why are you so obsessed with his drug use? He wasn’t totally about drugs, he didn’t preach to the public to do drugs, he didn’t pressure anyone else to do drugs, and no one should think doing drugs is cool because River did them – he died, after all. He did drugs, died from it, so that should be the definition of his entire life??????? I think not. That's really sad if you feel that way. He made a mistake, because he was human -- he didn't want to die. I'm not denying that he had problems and made mistakes. He wasn't GOD, and I never said he was.
People SHOULD pattern their lives after the positive things River (and his entire family) did and spoke of. If you think you should do drugs because of him – especially when he DIED because of it -- then, yes, that's sick. His drug use doesn't cancel out the positives. I don't think of drugs when I think of River; I think of a kind soul that tried to change the world for the better, had problems that emerged, and paid the ultimate price before he could get help (like so many others). No, I didn't know him personally, but I think the massage he spoke of was awesome. I've held the same believes -- long before I even knew who River Phoenix was. It's refreshing to know someone else thought the same way I do, when I come across very few people in my life that do.
I’m done with you.... Have a good life.
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Jiggy Jam (Login JiggyJam) Morbidly Boards Moderator
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June 30 2005, 1:37 PM
My point was not to compare River to Manson, and I reread my post to see that i did not directly compare the two. My point was how so readily people dismiss someone's bad side to get at the good.
Unfortunately, River's demise will be his defining moment forever. When you ask someone what they know about River Phoenix, they'll say "Oh yeah, he's that actor who died from a drug overdose on the street." Then do you respond by saying "yeah that's him....I love him."
And I happen to think that becoming addicted to drugs to the point of dieing is more than making a "mistake". A mistake would be smoking marijuana once or snorting cociane once and then realizing how wrong it is and not doing it again. Becoming a junkie is not something to take lightly.
Famous people will always be defined by their negative impact moreso than their positive one. And usually rightly so.
You say "If you think you should do drugs because of him – especially when he DIED because of it -- then, yes, that's sick." <--- That's the point. As someone becomes more and more infatuated with a person's image, the lines of right and wrong will become blurred. At one point smoking cigarttes was considered cool. Now it's just filthy. But people saw their favorite movie star on the screen smoking, so they themselves took up smoking. Bad habits can be more easily justified by simply focusing on the positives that the person represents and neglecting the negatives.
We see how these River worshippers on here are saying things like "he's the reason I became a vegan". or "he's he reason I love animals." There should be other, more responsible, reasons for these lifestyle changes. Doing something just because an actor does it is very dangerous. That's my point.
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So everyone should hate River just because he died from drugs? PLEASE! And I don’t care if you didn’t “directly” compare River to Charles Manson – the fact that you even included the two in the same post is dumb enough. Yes, let’s compare a murderer, who commissioned other people to murder, with someone that died of an accidental drug overdose! HA
I can’t speak for other people, but only for myself. I’ve held my beliefs since I was a child, learned from my mother. I became a vegetarian at age 11 and a vegan at age 15 – all before I really knew who River Phoenix even was. If others become more interested in animal rights and the environment because of River, I say that’s a GOOD thing – that’s what he wanted.
I would think most River fans would HATE drugs, considering it was drugs that killed him! It’s like someone being a John Lennon fan and loving the psycho (can’t remember his name) that murdered him! Now, does that make any sense? And yeah, I know River did it to himself thru the drugs and is to blame for his death (unlike Lennon), but why would you want to do something that killed your favorite celebrity?
Of course you’re gonna have crazy people that try to emulate everything a certain celebrity does – you’ll have that with everyone – but like I said, I can only speak for myself. If people get into drugs because they know River did them, then I hope they’ll somehow seek professional help.
You don’t seem very educated about the life of River Phoenix. If you did some research you’d know what a wonderful person he really was.
May I suggest going here, and hearing stories about him, told by the people that really knew him:
www.river-phoenix.org/
Have a nice day.
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I did not say that anyone should hate River because he died from drugs. I just said that we should not praise and idolize him. A drug abuser is not worthy of praise. Plain and simple. Don't you agree?
You say "Yes, let’s compare a murderer, who commissioned other people to murder, with someone that died of an accidental drug overdose! HA" You did it again! I did not compare the two. I just used Manson as an extreme example of how people are willing to look over River's killing habits but not willing to look over Manson's killing habits. That's all. Perhaps substitute Janis Joplin in Manson's place.
You said "Of course you’re gonna have crazy people that try to emulate everything a certain celebrity does – you’ll have that with everyone – but like I said, I can only speak for myself." That's my point. There are many young and impressionable people on here who blindly throw their admiration at River without knowing or accepting the whole truth about him. Young girls who cry themselves to sleep because River is dead are very vulnerable and should shown both sides of River. LET'S NOT PRAISE CELEBRITIES! Obviously my comments aren't directed at you.
River had many nice and admirable traits that added up to 20 points. But he had one really bad trait (death and drug addiction) that added up to 120 points. His bad outweighs his good. That can't be denied.
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DAMN, How dumb can you be?? You must be an l.i.m !!! If you don't know what is means: Low Idiot Man! Duh.. All people here love him, and if you don't find a lower site than this one! This site is way too good 4 you..! Cuz we all like him.. Find your own place.. Bye!
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This after all is a River Phoenix website chat page so if you hate him that much then why come here!
You know people aren't gonna agree with you so why come on her and start the arguments!
As i said before. River was a lovely talented young man and he obviously had so much going on in his head that he felt drugs was the only way out! He didnt like being in the media at all so it was just his way of dealing with things!
To the people that don't think he did a good thing then i can only suggest you watch stand by me ( the best film of all time) I guarantee it will have you in tears by the end especially now he isnt with us anymore! i cannot watch it without getting sad! In that film he was just a 12 year old boy and to me when i looked at the picture of him on here of the coffin, he doesnt look any different!
Jess XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX RIP
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Well then, it looks like you are both as stupid as eachother! And to Leonie, uhhhhh, If I didnt know who he was, would I be on here! I like River Phoenix and respect his work, but Immature kids coming on here with nothing better to do with their time, when they should be out playing, or doings what kids do rewins the point of me comming on here, and when people like Jiggy Jam, ICU, RP and Ally are knocked around when they express their opinions, well at least they are saying more important things than what SOME people on here say!
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I really love River Phoenix so much. Actually I got to know him recently, but I'm crazy about him. Why did he have to die...? Why didn't people around him stop him to use fucking drugs...? Why? I really hate drugs because it killed River.
I never ever try. I swear to God. Please quit drugs if you are on drugs.
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I really love River Phoenix so much. Actually I got to know him recently, but I'm crazy about him. Why did he have to die...? Why didn't people around him stop him to use fucking drugs...? Why? I really hate drugs because it killed River.
I never ever try. I swear to God. Please quit drugs if you are on drugs.
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actually you'll find that when he did the film stand by me river was coming up to his 15th birthday when principal photography srated in june 1985-3 months before i was born! he wasn't 12 he may have acted that age but he wasn't in real life
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the lowlife who started this in the first place should piss up a rope
