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Joaquin? and River's addictions... (long post--sorry!)

June 25 2005 at 1:27 AM
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I know this first part is slightly OT, but hey--Joaquin is River's brother! Does anyone know how Joaquin is doing these days? Is he out of rehab yet? I'm so glad he had the courage to go before something terrible happened to him, too. I wish him the best. When I first started paying attention to him (not just his acting and great looks) and realized that he seemed to be a great guy inside because he's also a vegan animal rights activist (like River), I thought he was THE perfect guy for me, lol. But then I found out about his drinking and smoking--and I completely changed my mind! As I said, I'm so glad he's getting help for the drinking--great for him. I really hope he conquers his demons and gets it under control. But the fact that he still smokes still rules him out for me! I don't go for guys with vices like that, which is why--as much as I loved River as an actor/musician/writer/animal activist--I lost a ton of respect for him when I found out he was a drug addict. I could never have tolerated that in anyone--I've already had to dump one dear friend in my life (2 years ago) because she was a severe alcoholic and drug addict, and she refused all my efforts to help her get into rehab. Even if I had been a friend or relative of River, I don't think I could have put up with his addictions--at least not if I had offered him my sincere support in getting him help/rehab (promising to be there for him through it all) and he turned me down repeatedly (like my real friend did even though I swore that I'd stand by her and help her get through the hell of rehab any way I could). Does that make sense?? I'm new here and feel like I need to tiptoe, lol. I'll always respect the artistic legacy River left behind, but (after a lot of reflection) I don't respect him as a person for not having the guts to get the help he so desperately needed--leaving family and friends in mourning for the rest of their lives. Kudos to Joaquin for recognizing his problems were serious and seeking the help he needed. I hope he has a good support system to see him through the hell he's undoubtedly going through--getting sober is just the first part; STAYING sober is the final step.

 
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Re: Joaquin? and River's addictions... (long post--sorry!)

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June 25 2005, 2:24 AM 

Joaquin makes me wet! Mmmmmm! Yummy!

 
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Re: Joaquin? and River's addictions... (long post--sorry!)

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June 25 2005, 7:15 AM 

Hey

Good post with some interesting thoughts for reflection, but I differ with you about your friend - I think you should stick to your friends for life. Even if she has refused all help, you should still make sure she knows that you are there for her always and not just dump her. But that's just my view, please don't be mad!! I liked your post though. I don't really have much to say about the other post to your statement though. There ARE some weird people who come on here!!
Take care,
Cora

 
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my friend and her addictions (with refs. to River)

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June 25 2005, 11:16 PM 

Hi Cora. Thanks for your response...I just had to laugh off that other one. About my friend--looking back now, I realize that saying I "dumped" her did sound harsh. Especially considering the fact that that's not exactly what happened. I did have to remove myself from her life, though, because of the physical and emotional toll it was taking on me. But even at that point, I told her I still loved her and that if she ever DID decide to pursue rehab, that I'd be right there by her side to help her deal with it. You just have to understand what was going on with her to even begin to understand why I finally had to leave. Only other (sober) people who have dealt with alcoholics and drug addicts up close can know how incredibly hard and sad it is. I literally kept a bag packed every day of my life, coming home from work and trying to grab a little sleep before her inevitable drunken/high phone call telling me that she just couldn't be alone that night... and off I drove to her place to spend the night with her. WATCHING HER, making sure she was still breathing when she fell asleep, following her to the bathroom to be sure she wasn't hurting herself (she was a cutter--and she was always so out of it that she never even felt the pain of those deep cuts that left her dripping blood all over her apartment). I cleaned her up--doctored and bandaged her wounds, washed her face and changed her clothes after she had vomited on herself, etc. I hid her car keys and her driver's license so she couldn't go buy more alcohol or drugs that night--resulting in many physical fights in which I ended up bruised and bloodied because I refused to give them back to her. Begging her not to call her "friends" over while I was there (she often prostituted herself to these guys in exchange for drugs when she didn't have money). I always left if I knew she had called them, but one night she called them when she slipped out to smoke a cigarette. Do you know what it's like to have a bunch of junkies show up at the door and threaten you? One night, this one guy told me he liked me, and then he said he always got what he wanted--and tonight he wanted me. I have NEVER been so scared in my life! I still don't know how I managed to fight him off, except that finally the lure of the drugs in the kitchen was stronger than any desires he had towards me. I left immediately and never went back. My friend followed me out (blissfully oblivious to what I had just been through), and that's when I told her I couldn't do it anymore--I couldn't stay with her when it put my life at risk. I begged her to get to rehab, and I even told her I was going to call the police as soon as I got in my car to send them to her apartment--she could have rehab or she could have jail, because she wasn't safe any other way. She begged me not to, and even "emptied house" of the junkies and the junk before I left (by that point inside my car with the doors locked and window only slightly cracked so I could talk to her--on the phone with another friend at the same time to alert her to where I was and what was going on in case our call got "cut off"). I had to tell her right then and there that she couldn't call me again unless she was ready for me to take her to rehab--or unless she was ever sober again and wanted to go out to talk. She told me not to sweat it--that she was going to ask one of those "friends" to move in with her, so she'd be ok. Yeah, right. At least he was company to her, I suppose, but he kept supplying her with drugs. I haven't heard from her since, even though I sent her a really long letter shortly afterward to be sure she knew I was still there for her if the day came. It hasn't yet, sadly. Anytime the phone rings in the middle of the night now, I know it's not her--but I'm always SO terrified that it's going to be news that she OD'd and is dead. I even brought up River to her (we had both always liked his movies) a couple of times those last few weeks to remind her that it can happen to anyone--no one expects to OD, but it happens. And typically to those like her (and River) who think they're somehow invulnerable. ::sigh:: Does all that make sense? It's so hard to explain addiction and the toll it takes on loved ones unless you've been there. I had to withdraw from my friend's life to save my own, ok? But I left things VERY open with her--she knows I'm still here if she ever wants to take that step and get help. Anyway, I appreciate your positive response to my first post, Cora. Take care.

(Also, still wondering about Joaquin--anyone know how he's doing?)

 
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