eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer quite a bit actually, i've been on this site for long enough and plus i have a fair bit of life experience behind me.
i can tell you now there is only one thing that truly separates river from other drug addict; MONEY. river was a reasonably wealthy actor, so he did not have to rob little old ladies for money like the common smack-head on the street. you might call river a pure spirit, but one look at his autopsy report indicates otherwise.
my post may sicken you, but lets face it YOU ARE ON A STIE CALLED MORBIDLY HOLLYWOOD!!!!!!!!!! with that in mind, do you honestly think things are all rose tinted and happy-clappy? look at the disclaimer on the river page, case and point.
if you don't like reality, it is not my problem sweetie.
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"if you don't like reality, it is not my problem sweetie."
Ana - see, it's posts like that one (and the heroin needle thing, lol) that I'm gonna miss so much. ::sigh:: You are one sharp, witty, and wise gal. Never forget that.
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Hey, I read the autopsy report, and there were no needle marks on his body. ERRRRRRR try again "sweetie". Who are you to claim that River didn't care about his family and friends? Like u knew him personally? GET A LIFE.
OVER AND OUT.
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"Hey, I read the autopsy report, and there were no needle marks on his body"
EEERRRR ~ A "needle" is the universal symbol for heroin, no matter what way you choose to dose it. A tattoo of a hypodermic doesn't exactly maen you are a diabetic - know what I mean?
But since we are splitting hairs on the subject, how about a skull and crossbones? That should sum it up, don't you think?
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River was not known to be a heavy heroin user, although he experimented a few times and died of a cocaine/heroin cocktail (speedball) that night. It was NOT injected into his body with a needle. Apparently, from what Anthony Kiedis says, River was a heavy cocaine user and drinker NOT a heroin abuser.
Also, the needle symoblizes a HEROIN ADDICT. I have said before that when users begin to inject heroin with a needle it is a sign that they have developed a higher tolerance to the drug. It provides a longer lasting high as opposed to snorting the drug.
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Might I add that he is no longer here to speak for himself? Why not just let him rest? He was young, he made mistakes. Many young people realise that they are going down the wrong path, unfortunetly River died before he did. If u want to waste your time and come on here posting negative comments just because its a "morbidly hollywood" forum. Fine! but what does that say about you? That you're an angry person? I'm sure if River could, he would say to all his friends, family and fans that he is very sorry for disapointing them all. So just leave him be..move on and like I said let him rest in peace.
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and might i add velvetreality that i suggested the heroin needle as i felt a line of cocaine on the back of the toilet, along with a rolled up $100 bill might be a little to challenging for most tattoo artists.
as you have read the autopsy report it can't have escaped your attention that the levels of narcotics in his system would be enough to kill a "dabbler" a few times over. river had built up enough of a tolerance to that shit in order to still be conscious enough to take the final fatal dose. as you have referenced the words of anthony kedis, the admission that river was a HEAVY USER of cocaine and alcohol, how can it not register in your mind that river was not an addict. and how is snorting cocaine anymore acceptable than doing heroin? oh, that's right, because it's river. i forgot he is such a pure soul(!). newsflash darling: pure souls don't snort half of columbia while their brother is in the next room. THATS HOW MUCH HE LOVED HIS FAMILY!!!!!!
do you call yourself velvetreality because you need something soft to cushion you from the real world?
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You have clearly misconstrued what I posted. I did not say that River was not a COCAINE addict. I said, from what I know, there is no proof that he was a heroin addict. I did not say that snorting heroin makes someone a better person. I said, injecting heroin with a needle is an indication of a heroin addiction.
As for the comment about my name "velvetreality" I am a fan of velvet revolver genius.
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I didn't say he was a pure soul. Just naive and impressionable. Doing coke does not make one better than a heroin addict but, heroin is a more dangerous drug; there are higher mortality rates. From what I know, River wasn't a heroin addict. Yes, he died..he was given a lethal dose..that doesn't mean that he developed a high tolerance to the drug. On the contrary! Friends say that he didn't do heroin for months prior to the viper room incident.
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"river had built up enough of a tolerance to that shit in order to still be conscious enough to take the final fatal dose. "
ALSO, if you watch the A&E bio, it was ONE dose that killed River in a vile mixed with cocaine. Evidently you do not have to be an "addict" to die of a heroin overdose.
You know what? I'm a huge fan of Anthony Kiedis..he was a heroin addict I still considered him to be a good person. Things are not that simple. You can stick your uptight morals up your butt. REALLY. Anthony loved his family and friends. So how can u explain that? AND YOU KNOW WHAT? HE'S SOBER NOW..STRAIGHT AS A FUCKEN ARROW! SHOULD WE HOLD IT AGAINST HIM TOO? IS HE STILL A BIG BAD MAN??? YOU MAKE ME SICK!
River died!!! but I'm sure he would have eventually seen the light like Anthony and many others. Who are you to judge? Just because River died at the young age of 23 from an overdose does not mean that he should be condemned!! Should we despise ppl because of their past? Recoverd drug addicts? Just because they did it?? You seriously are not intelligent and should just be quiet.
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"You know what? I'm a huge fan of Anthony Kiedis..he was a heroin addict I still considered him to be a good person. Things are not that simple. You can stick your uptight morals up your butt. REALLY. Anthony loved his family and friends. So how can u explain that? AND YOU KNOW WHAT? HE'S SOBER NOW..STRAIGHT AS A FUCKEN ARROW! SHOULD WE HOLD IT AGAINST HIM TOO? IS HE STILL A BIG BAD MAN??? YOU MAKE ME SICK!"
i am a fan of the chilli peppers as well, and he got clean! he sorted his life out. did i say he was a bad man? i have every respect for someone who has the balls to quit. river had that chance and he didn't last in rehab for a week. he checked himself out and got better at hiding his problems from his family. as for my morals, what the hell do you know about them? if you ever lived with a violent drug addict/dealer in your apartment (not through choice but because your spoilt room-mate who also dealt and took drugs BROUGHT him to live there whether you liked it or not) you might have some understanding of what my morals are. if you spent every day terrified for your life and the lives of your other room-mates because of what this guy is capable of (especially when he has been taking anything he could get his hands on), you might understand. if you and your friends had to be moved for you own protection after the guy was arrested, just in case he sent someone after you, you might understand.
"You seriously are not intelligent and should just be quiet."
i am a university graduate, pursuing a masters qualification, who spent a year living in another country. i have seen some nasty stuff in my time, and my opinion is as valid as anyone on this site. i have no intention of being quiet, as anyone on this site who knows me will tell you.
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music wise, i rate guns and roses way, you just can't beat the original. it just feels rehashed and reused and leaves a bad taste in my mouth. i used to dj.
and to answer your earlier point, i am not hear because i am an "angry person" as you so charmingly put it. i am here because i disagreed with the death photo being in the public domain. i stick around to keep an eye on things, and my pet irritant is people who kid themselves. take river for example.
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Listen, sometimes people do not succeed the first time they go to rehab. Again, lets take Anthony for example. How many times was he in and out of rehab 5? Some ppl are lucky and get more than one chance in life. Others, are not so lucky. That is what it all comes down to.
Also, I've had my share of experiences with drug addicts as my sister who I was roommates with when I was 16 was a cocaine abuser. It was frightning to come home to see "GIVE ME MY MONEY" carved into my front door. It was sad to see how she could steal hundreds of dollars from my family...anyway I could go on.
I am also in university, It is my last year in psychology.
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as you have had experiences in this field, i don't see why you appear to have me pegged as the big bad wolf. and i certainly hope your sister has overcome her addiction.
i may not agree with the posts of others but i do not tell them they are not intelligent, i definitely do not tell them that they should "just be quiet".
if you wish to discuss this further, i could meet you on the chat area, as you are already logged in.
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I just want to add that I try not to generalize from my personal experience because we're all different and she was pretty nasty. She's doing good now...she has a husband and a baby and she's clean. Thank God.
I didn't mean to insult Ana, as we chatted and I apologized about that...
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Oh and ANA u say that rivers friends and family was not important to him.. you cant be for real. The Phoenix family were VERY CLOSE! River adored his family and friends!
Maybe your family dont care about you that is why you say so many awful things about rio.
I am not a rude person by nature ..but ANA you bring the worst out in me.
You dont have a clue girl!!!!!!!!!!!! Colleen
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"ana u say you have a fair bit of experience behind you. you must have a heroin needle tattoo! hahaah"
"Maybe your family dont care about you that is why you say so many awful things about rio."
actually, i don't have any tattoos, and my family are very loving and supporting.
"Right on velvetreality! you took the words out of my mouth." are you referring to the post in which velvetreality apologized to me, or did you just edit that out of you stream of consciousness. velvetreality fully understands that personal attacks on other site members are unwarranted, and i have to say she is a lady with some class.
you may wish to come here and defend river, and all credit to you. but i am not in the habit of blindly following convention, and if i have an opinion i have every right to voice it.
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Hey Ana, I still stand by everything I said besides the insults directed towards you.
About the tattoo..hum..I don't think River would have got one if he lived. It just wouldn't suit him. I think that if he would have got one, it would be something small but with a significant meaning.. like Joaquin's tattoo.
I'm thinking of getting a Phoenix (the mythical bird) on my back..I think that would be nice.
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"I think that if he would have got one, it would be something small but with a significant meaning.. like Joaquin's tattoo."
Uuuum, Joaquin has said that his tat was actually a bit alcohol induced, and that he went with a circle because he wanted something he felt was insignificant and as plain as possible. Silly Joaquin. He was also apparently quite amused that the tattoo artist had a little difficulty doing something AS simple as a circle, lol. He got the tat while in another country (can't remember where), and apparently Casey Affleck got the whole thing on video--complete with Joaquin screaming in pain, as he apparently "forgot" that the inside of your arm is a bit sensitive (not that a tattoo anywhere won't inflict pain). Ooh, wouldn't I love to get my hands on Casey's video, lol. I'm sure it's highly amusing, as Joaquin himself always seems to be. He was pretty funny doing the late-night talk show rounds here in the US when he was promoting "Walk the Line," admitting on one show that he was "very goofy." I remember him speaking in his own made-up language (seriously) that he and a couple of friends use, and also talking about the large rat that had moved into his new house in L.A.--and when Letterman asked him how big the house was, Joaquin said it had "one and a half bedrooms" lol. He also said he was still sober, having replaced alcohol with tons of water since rehab--so good for him. Now if he can just beat out Philip Seymour Hoffman and win himself an f'ing Oscar in a couple of weeks....
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That's cool..I didn't know the details about Joaq's Tattoo as I'm more of a fan of River's. Yeah I knew he had his own made up language and so do I: ESKA MARACHAH BATAY GOO RUMBADADINGA UMBAOO!
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"Yeah I knew he had his own made up language and so do I: ESKA MARACHAH BATAY GOO RUMBADADINGA UMBAOO!"
I have nooooo idea if I should be insulted or angry at that, lol. My closest friends and I had our own made up language when we were kids/teens.... it was always fun getting strange looks from the "grown ups" lol.
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So, I did some research and it was in Italy where Joaquin got his tattoo. Here is a quote from the man himself regarding the tat:
"I'd always dreamed about getting a tattoo but I didn't want it to be a fashionable symbol. So I said, 'Let's get a 'nothing' tattoo.' That's why I have this badly drawn circle." http://www.hollywood.com/news/detail/id/3476853
So, in a way it is significant. He didn't want to follow convention and get a fashionable symbol like everyone else.I think it represents his individuality. I mean, how many ppl have badly drawn circles on their arm?
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