im not trying to say with this question who is better or who do u like better. i want to know who do u think was perfect for river? i think martha was river's match, or mabey me and rio lol .any who do u think is river's perfect lover?

As much as i like samantha i must say martha was the girl for him..she was more down to earth and seemed to understand him like no one else did..samantha had the looks but martha had his heart

yeah i agree i would also have to say martha......i saw her and river in running on empty and their chemistry was better.........i think she understood him better and they had a better relationship.......but as far as looks ,samantha is better looking, but i mean martha was a better fit for river

Selfishly , I would have to say Martha. I think they are both wonderful actresses, but it's Martha Plimpton I've been stopped more than a few times in my life just to be told I look like her. Martha has interesting features, meaning, she is no Pamela Anderson (and neither am I - ack!). But if not for Martha and Keanu in the movie "Parenthood", I'm not sure if my husband would have ever asked me out - HEE! He had seen the movie "Parenthood" just days before he met me, and absolutely fell in love with Plimpton. Thanky Martha! Almost 15 years of marriage and still going strong !

The guy i am dating thinks Martha is real pretty. Ah i think she is ok looking.. But I think Samantha was very pretty, but Martha seemed to care more about Rivers best interests.

i think is apparent that river and martha had a relly deep connection- according to books and articals she was the person he called when things got tough and she new him so well that she could be truly honest bout her feelings when he died- she didnt need to bullshit. in my opinion she said the most sensable thing out of everybody when he passesd:

"he's already being turned into a martyr, he's become a metaphore for a fallen angel, a messiah. he wasnt, he was just a boy, a very good hearted boy who was very fucked up and had no idea how to implement his good intentions. i think its right that im angry, angry at the people who helped him stay sick..... and angry at River.
x

But when nartha called him a " boy" that was rude. he was 23 for goodness sake.. hardly a boy. that was rude. she seems a bit rough!

hey colleen,
i dont think she ment it that way, think maybe she was using "boy" in the sense that he was so young and still had so much growing up to do and so much more to see and expierience- just my opinion! x

My opinion is this: whether or not one was prettier than the other River always saw the best in people. He didn't care about what someone looked like...he looked deeper, he cared about who they were inside, and what they stood for in life. Martha understood his way of life more than Samantha did. River always said that Martha was the one he was meant to be with. ALTHOUGH Martha ate meat, it was shortly after River broke down in NY at a resturant when Martha ordered soft shell crabs that she turned strict vegan as well.

If Samantha honestly cared about River as a person she wouldnt have sat back and watched River kill himself. SHE was there the night he died...SHE was partying with him before the hotel, after the hotel, at that party in the Hollywood Hills, and at the Viper Club.

hold on a second- what you are saying is that samantha didnt care about river because she didnt interupt or succeed in changeing a pattern of life her new boyfriend had been leading for a number of years?:/ come on now thats harsh- they had been together what, 7-8 months? thats obsurd- joaquin and rain were there too as were a number of friends- they must have cared about him less as they had "sat back and watched him kill himself" for years.

We cant blame anyone for River's death except River and the person that gave him the drug's.

From what i read, he REALLY tried to hide his drug abuse problem. Maybe that is why he died, because he would not let anyone tap in to help him!

think you misunderstood me colleen- i was being sarcastic, i think river was entirely responsible for himself. i have no doubt he probably tried to hide his problem from the likes of his family but with the "right" friends he was not ashamed of it cos he enjoyed it as much as them and its what he wanted to do. i think if he really wanted help with it there would have been no shortage of people, but you cant help someone who is quite content doing what their doing and maybe dont want help...x

Here is a pic of Martha from April 2005...I wonder if River and Martha would of got back together if he were still here???

wow thats a really nice photo of martha!

Did either of them ever marry?

sam or martha? i dont know- but did you know that samantha was dating john leguz..(i cant spell it, but he was the guy who played "tybalt" in "romeo and juliet"!) when she met river and she dumped him for river?! (pointless info but i thought it was funny cos he was no one back then and is super famous now!)

Martha Plimpton has been doing some nightclub singing with Julian Fleisher and alot of Theater acting and although her and Julian were getting close they are not dating (so they say). Here is a site with the two of them together...http://www.newyorkcool.com/archives/2005/February/feature.html
If you wanna check it out..there are some pics of them singing etc.

Whoa that picture of Martha! I am the same age as her but seriously she has AGED! But she is still pretty! I never seen her wear make up till this picture! I like her hair long though.......

you know..I have no idea which one would be better...thats a good question..because I have never met with any of them..and the only thing I knoiw about them is what the press says which is 99% lies..so I"m not sure!

i think martha was better for him but samantha looked better i think its his fault he died hes the one that decided to do drugs that night took a mixture of drugs that shouldnt go together ,he would always try and hide his problem like if someone asked him does he do drugs or have a problem he would get so pissed and offended so basically noone really could help him without him getting so mad

I have always believed that Martha Plimpton was the one for River, and so did he. Their breakup was her choice, not his. And I believe she did that out of love and concern, in an attempt to force River to face his drug problem, and to stop. River and Martha were together for a very long time. She speaks of the night they went out to dinner, and she ordered the crabs. They were both fifteen at the time, and had been together for a while already, and were very much in love. They didn't "split" until almost the end of 1989. And even then, every so often if neither was with anyone else, it was not uncommon to find them together either at her place or his. She visited him on the set of Dogfight, and there is a picture of them engaged in a very passionate kiss. River called Martha his "soulmate", and I believe their love was deep and profound and based on friendship, trust and strong physical desire. And for those who would say she wasn't attractive enough for him, obviously River would beg to differ. I sincerely believe had he lived and overcome his addiction, Ms. Plimpton would now be Mrs. Phoenix. And how I wish she were.

I've read and studied about River online some. But where did you all discover the girl friends in River's life. I've looked around, and haven't found that out yet. Any help for infomation would be appreciated.

i can't find out much neither but you can see some at Rio's Attic - friends of a Phoenix.There is a little info about Samantha,Martha and Sue Solgot.I'm afraid that i can't help you more than that MOF

Thank you any way online buddy.

I like Martha! She was the best!

Is there any thing that you might know about River's girl friends information on line?

Hi MOF!

Martha Plimpton, first met River at an audition around 84- they hated each other. They were cast together in 'the mosquito coast' in 85 and had a relationship that lasted until 1989, although if you read articals from around the early period it was one of those "oh no we're just friends!" things. Martha couldnt handle river's drug use but they remained friends until his death. She has made some amazing movies, mainly independents these days and has also done alot of off-broadway plays.

Suzanne Solgot was in a punk band in Gainesville, where river met her- she was studying to become a massage therapist whilst they were together, they lived together for 2 years and he refered to her as 'my wife', she also had a bit part in Gus Van Sant's 'even cowgirls get the blues' where Rain Phoenix was playing one of the leads, they were together from 90-92.

river met samantha Mathis at the end of 92' on the set of 'the thing called love', he was still with sue solgot but thier relationship was coming to an end, there had been cheating on both sides. Samantha was also dating actor John Leguizamo- naughty puppies! after they finished filming she traveled with him to costa rica to spend time with his family and then of course was present when he died. She has made some great movies too, she took a break when her mother died shortly after River and now runs her own buisness.

sue solgot is obviously a mear mortal so not much info exists id go to Martha and Samanthas pages at www.IMDB.com for more info and possible links to sites.

as you can see im VERY bored today! hope that helped a little

Martha was the best River s girlfriend! She s really loved River she s care of him and she s have really try help him. I like Martha god bless her.

I am voting for Martha all the way. It is poss that if riv had allowed Martha a little more control over his life.Quit drugs & over drinking and maybe let her guide him a bit. I dare to say He might still be here physically. Because none of us doubt he is here spiritually.Sometimes I wonder if he felt he could help the world better in spirit form. I belive in destiny but that its like quantum physics."Its a particle,its a wave" theory. Destiny maybe like an open design changing with the winds.If someone uses heroin and od's. Does that mean they were destined to die in that timeframe anyway by some other means? I dont buy that. We make our luck. We manifest our destiny (history reference unintentional). We also sometimes decide when we want to "go". Maybe he decided that subconsciously? I have never tried heroin.But everything i ever heard painted a bad,ugly,dirty,tortured,sickly mask of misery over the whole scene. I am scared of it. Sometimes i think of Rio as a drug martyr. But i still smoke pot (no hard drugs though). sorry to go off on tangent.

I'm glad to see you still here
Don't give up girl!!!Hey your posting was pretty good.I believe in destiny in a way that some things are ment to happen to us but we decide the way we want to go.In River's case he had a choise to take or not that amount of drugs and unfortunately he made a mistake and he faced the consequeses.Whether he was aware of them or not that I don't know I think we make our own destiny but some things are ment to be and we choose which side of the road we want to go...
Our dear beloved River went trough a big ordeal but unfortunately he wasn't the only one

sue solgot - knew her - cold as ice

Delvi you know Suzanne Solgot? What do you can tell me more? Me I m envious of all River s girlfriends!!!!! Because I m in love with River and I wish have was his girlfriend. I hope you understand me because many fanes don 't understand me than I m in love with River again even 15 years after his death! But well what do you can tell me more about Suzanne Solgot?

I knew Sue, pre-Phoenix. Sue was not "cold as ice". To the contrary, I knew her to be a very warm, caring, happy-go-lucky person. She was very friendly, adventurous and open-minded about life. This was more than a couple of decades ago but I am sure that she hasn't changed much.

i think you're wrong bout the photo of river and martha kissing passionately... i ve seen the photo in my book and it's sue solgot. but you don't see her face, that's why you may have thought it was martha. anyway, i guess river was too stubborn to stop using drugs no matter who he was dating. everyone have to stop blaming samantha cos she's not responsible for what happened. let's not forget he had stop drugs and alcohol for quit a while before that night, since his birthday (according to Peter Bogdanovich), more than 2 months earlier. by the way, sorry for my english, i'm french.

Bonjour Vivienne. Comment allez vous? I don't blame Samantha or Martha or Sue for River's death. He chose to do drugs. Christelle is totally obsessed over River Phoenix. She thinks he's some angel who was forced to take the drugs that killed him. She won't accept that it was his choice. She has a thing about Samantha Mathis. I know her from ATW. It actually got so bad that people were telling her to go away and leave the board because it was the same crap over and over. She was telling people she couldn't live without River and then she wouldn't post for ages scaring the people in to thinking she had done herself in. Christelle, you have to move on and live your own life and stop being so obsessed with River. You didnt even meet him. For all you know he could have been a jerk. Now before you start calling me names acting like a drama queen listen!: Martha and Sue broke up with him BECAUSE of his drug use. He wasn't able to stop taking the drugs. Sue was a warm and lovely person and Samantha was younger than River but she still cared about him. She didn't give him the drugs that night. Someone elese did. Who knows if they would have stayed together if he had lived. Probably not because when you are in a relationship with a drug addict its destructive to the other person too. Also if people dont want to get help you have to walk away from them. Sue was very level headed because she was older. She tried her best to help Riv but again he didn't want to give it up. Martha was his first love. They made a cute couple but their paths were going different ways. Maybe in 10 years time they might have found a way back to each other but who knows.

this was put into the wrong thread. I was reading the one that Christelle started mea culpa

Bonjour Vivienne. Comment allez vous? I don't blame Samantha or Martha or Sue for River's death. He chose to do drugs. Christelle is totally obsessed over River Phoenix. She thinks he's some angel who was forced to take the drugs that killed him. She won't accept that it was his choice. She has a thing about Samantha Mathis. I know her from ATW. It actually got so bad that people were telling her to go away and leave the board because it was the same crap over and over. She was telling people she couldn't live without River and then she wouldn't post for ages scaring the people in to thinking she had done herself in. Christelle, you have to move on and live your own life and stop being so obsessed with River. You didnt even meet him. For all you know he could have been a jerk. Now before you start calling me names acting like a drama queen listen!: Martha and Sue broke up with him BECAUSE of his drug use. He wasn't able to stop taking the drugs. Sue was a warm and lovely person and Samantha was younger than River but she still cared about him. She didn't give him the drugs that night. Someone elese did. Who knows if they would have stayed together if he had lived. Probably not because when you are in a relationship with a drug addict its destructive to the other person too. Also if people dont want to get help you have to walk away from them. Sue was very level headed because she was older. She tried her best to help Riv but again he didn't want to give it up. Martha was his first love. They made a cute couple but their paths were going different ways. Maybe in 10 years time they might have found a way back to each other but who knows.

samantha mathis have abandonned River on the footage of dark blood!So she know how this footage was hard for him with this bitch of judy davies who was so bad with him! And if she have really loved River she would not dated with one another guy so fast after River s death! She s dated with noah wyle very short time after River! River was too good for her! She s don't deserved him! If I have was River s girlfriend I would stay with him for support him and help him and never have one other boyfriend than River!

She dated Noah Wyle over a year after River died, in 1995 to be precise, that's hardly insensitive.

If River was alive today he would probably not be with either of them but have moved on.

Who knows who he "true love" would have been but had he and Samantha's relationship not have been cut off in such an awful way they could have still been together. I think it's funny that we can all sit around and even pretend to guess what River felt for either one of these laides seeing as we do not know any of them.

Martha was his first love, but he had a connection with Sam, NO DOUBT.

If River was alive today he would probably not be with either of them but have moved on.

Who knows who his "true love" would have been but had he and Samantha's relationship not have been cut off in such an awful way they could have still been together. I think it's funny that we can all sit around and even pretend to guess what River felt for either one of these laides seeing as we do not know any of them.

Martha was his first love, but he had a connection with Sam, NO DOUBT.