I found an interesting idea on another forum, maybe some of you have already seen it but it REALLY creeped me out so i thought id go over it again here-

dont know if any of you know much bout horoscopes? there are lots of theories about Rivers death, papers have been published with people claiming the children of god murdered him and even that weird "alien abduction" thing i posted a couple of months back- but do you think it could possibly just be down to your horoscope? lots of people (including myself) dont belive in god, aliens or other such things but will happily sit down and read a horoscope/ have thier palm read or tarot cards and beleive in fate.....this nails that for me im afraid-

Everyone has a death sign, just like everyone has a birth sign- River died under Sun in Scorpio/Leo Rising/Moon in Taurus this zodiacal combination only occurs 4 hours a year- over two days for two hours on each day.

Certain numbers are associated with certain signs: Scorpio is the 8th sign of the zodiac
Leo the 5th
taurus the 2nd

in THAT order...the viper rooms address is "8852" sunset strip. Why the other 8? In numerology 8 is the number of death.

Other things such as River dying on "all hallows eve" under a full moon outside a club named "the viper" is also strange, as is the "HEROIN VIPER X" anagram of his name.

It is well known that River had a stange feeling, a bad feeling about turning 23 on the 23rd of August. And is said to have said "angels are coming to take me away".

23 on the 23rd....is it not stanger yet that 8 + 8 + 5 + 2 = 23?..... and with 23 film/tv credits to his name, the number is obviously very significant in his life- and death.

coincidence? or just always ment to be?

OMG.. that is shocking...I was totally freaked when I read this!!!very sinister indeed.

Sounds more like the same thing about 2pac. TO be more on the obvious side its all just "coincidents?" followed with theories. But if he now said that he felt something wrong about turning 23 then its a little bit scary. But once again thats jsut a rumor so.....

I think this forum has finally concluded itself, it's title 'the death of river discussion forum'....It has come to a DEATH!!!no one has been here ,what's wrong?? nothing more to say on the subject??.....I must admit it has gone a slight boring sometime's although I pop back & fourth now & then to see what's been said...any way i'm outta here....regards to all rio fan's out there!!

Wow, how weird!!! Thats freaky!!!! Coinsidences like that make you wonder, hey!!! Good work! The thing with 8+8+5+2 = 23..WOAAAH! Scary!

hey ally, all that post was discovered by someone on the imdb board...but i did add that 8+8+5+2=23 bit...i just noticed...very strange indeed!

One thing is for sure..

Each of us has an appointment for death. Just like River it could come at any time I'm afraid.
Tomorrow is not promised, but there is one way to get around the hardness of death.
Jesus said be of good cheer I have over come the world.
And He over came death, hell, and the grave.
He led the captive into captivity, and gave gifts unto men when He preached the good news in hell.
The good news is if any person will repent from breaking God's law, and give their heart to Him then no one needs to face perdition; or the second death.

I am sure as a younger person death seemed like it would never happen to me, but if it did it would be a long time.
But now at middle age I know I will one day get to see my Lord, and savior Jesus Christ.

I hope to see each one of you there one day. Consider what will happen one day my friend.

just like the movie 'final destination' when I watched those movie's it make's you wonder if our death's are destined or designed as it say's in the film's.....who know's??

yeh I watched them films and was so shocked by them that I had nightmare's for a few day's after,really weird.

Eerie? I think so.

Hey i just saw this post. It is all very freaky but many psychologists have long noted the human tendency to search for patterns in order to make sense of things we dont understand. Some of you may remember certain emails that went around after 9/11 commenting out how much of the statistical information surrounding the event added up to the number 11. I do believe that patterns can be found in anything if you look hard enough and that they dont mean that a particular event was fated. However, the freaky thing to me is the number 23 coincidences here. It has been believed since biblical time to be an ominous number, associated with evil ( 2 divided by 3= 0.666 number of the beast). This is probably why River believed turning 23 on the 23rd to be a bad omen. The 8852 thing is just weird!

Your point being: nothing means anything.

No thats not my point at all. I just meant that i dont think something is fate when a certain number keeps cropping up surrounding an event. I do however find it interesting that in this particular case the number is 23, which has a reputation of having ominous implications.

No, Marcia. Everything is not nothing. Life is everything. Birth is miraculous and the most profoundly spiritual experience a woman can have. What we choose to do with the life we are given makes all the difference in the world, not only for ourselves, but for all those lives that ultimately are touched somehow by our own. No matter what your belief structure, as I have said before, how he treat our fellow man is ultimately how we will be defined ourselves. And for those of us who believe that there is more beyond, death is nothing to fear. It is merely another leg of our journey. I truly hope your post was meant with sarcasm. Otherwise, how alone you must feel. Your life, yours alone Marcia, is meant to somehow make an imprint upon this earth. And you are oh so precious and important to us all. Others love you, I love you as my sister human being. Love yourself. You are worth it.

All the very best dear.

Bonnie

P.S. If you need to chat, look up my e-mail. Despite four "blessings" running around, I can always find time to try to make someone feel a little better about themselves, and their place in this world. And even if I have misread your post, and my bleeding heart has created a pool at my feet, my offer still stands, to you and to any who may have need of a shoulder. If you need a friend, just Lean on Me.

I cant help but get the feeling Marcias response was a sarcastic one towards flutter, you know, it wasnt Marcia saying 'everything means nothing'.. it was just her interpretation of what flutter was saying...

It appears that Bonnie simply had some saccharine comments she was predisposed to saying no matter what, so she took the opportunity to do so under the pretext of "responding" to what I had said--- only it wasn't what I'd said at all.

Thanks, Bonnie. But you'll understand if I pass up the chance to email you.

What I consider is propaganda is that some how through a huge explosion all the creative life forms, and beauty on this earth and universe was just an accident. Please.

Just imagine a factory that makes books just blowing up, and from all the falling letters the complete works of Shakespear just magically appears.


Or look at any building. Did that building just appear out of nothing? No, of coarse not. We all may not know who built a building, but we know good and well there was a builder some where in the world that built each building.

Or say a person is walking along a sandy beach on a beautiful day. While walking you notice something shiny underneath the sand. You bend over and pick up the shiny object. And it turns out to be a beautiful gold watch. Now after picking up and putting it to your ear you notice its still ticking. But there is no one near.....Did the watch just magically come together by itself? Of coarse not. That would be insulting to a person's intellegence. There was a maker of that watch of coarse.

Are we brought into this life just to face an empty world and universe that is just a void? With no possible purpose, and no way to know why we are here?

I don't believe that personally. I am certain each of us has a purpose from God for our lives, and that we each have a creator who shows his creativity, and love all around us.

That is my opinion and experience so far in life. I do not want to hurt any one on this foreum, but that has just been my experience in life. That there is a God who definitely loves mankind.

msn of faith.

I'm not anti-religion per se (except the organized kind), but I for one think it's sad that this forum has now been invaded by "spiritual spam". Isn't there software to prevent that?

I'm not anti-a different opinion either. But I'm willing to be accepting of people who are far different then what I've been used to. Or people who have even called me everything except for a child of God. Who cares? I don't really need validation from other's who don't understand or even like my faith.

I've read about individuals who come here who from their writings consider River their boy friend, and would just love to be with him. And if you've been here for very long a person can remember far more interesting opinions that are really out there. My aim is not to hurt or bother any one here.

If spiritual mattters are not your cup of tea that's okay. But as long as I'm allowed to be on here from the owners of this site I intend to express my opinions from my experience the same as any one else does. And try not to judge too harshly those who have dating fantasies with a man whose been dead for so long.

What is wrong with a man who has found faith in a powerful, loving God who has turned me around more then once when going down the wrong way or facing such dark times? I'll take what you say at face value that you are not anti-religious Marcia. But I've come across such prejudice against the Christian faith that its just too bad.

Why has this thread been hijacked with such off-topic bulls**t ?

I apologize to anyone whom I may have offended with my post. Obviously, I misunderstood both the writing and the writer. Any rest assured I shall in future restrain myself from spewing my venomous sacchrine comments to those I know will understand and appreciate them. Not to worry, Marcia. I won't be checking for any e-mails from you.

I think marcia is just a little ball of sunshine...that went nova.

So it's safe to go back on-topic?

BTW, thanks to rikki for attempting to clarify the matter. It was most kind of you to do so, however I believe I have now gotten the message loud and clear.

no probs bonnie-

lol, marcia, its always 'safe' to discuss the topics at hand.
here there are just regular posters who like to share their belifes and relate conversation to them on occasion, no biggie. people can take it or ignore- there is no offence intended, im very positive about that.

It has been my privelage to get to come here. I've had the opportunity to get to know the kind, intelligent, understanding people on here...just like myself...no I mean rikki. Rikki who perhaps has other thoughts then myself. Yet I can not help but consider her my friend. She is the one whom I've had the longest time to discuss things with. Some times it comes up from one person's continued negative comments no matter what is brought up. Not really any one recent but there have been those who have come on here like gang busters. Always being hard on other's no matter what. Just trying to disagree in a hurtful manner just for the sake of feeling better by accusing other's Unlike rikki whom I know it easy to reason with and talk with.

Its good to have a "theme" or topic and stay with it; no doubt. But its also a good thing to understand various view points about a variety of subjects. Not just River, but all kinds of ideas are discussed here, although River is the main thing brought up as it should be, but its really great to feel free to explore other or related things too. That way the diversity has the opportunity to run past people we haven't lived like, thought like, lived like, or what their opinions about subjects are. I like many people on here, and its been so fun to get to read each of your comments the last few weeks.

Thanks to each of you.

a mofaith!

errrrmmmmm---- can we get back on topic? Guess not.

I agree lets get on topic....on topic...what does the word topic mean? hmmmm I wonder.

My understanding of the word "Topic" is any subject that a group of people choose to discuss, with respect and appreciation of the diversity of the group involved.

I must ask the board's indulgence, this has been bothering me ever since Marcia's response to my original post.

Despite comments to the contrary, I was not looking for any outlet for my saccharine comments. I have four children to lavish my affection and concern on. However, I have for some years now, volunteered at my local suicide hotline, and we are trained to detect certain statements and nuances as potentially dangerous, and to respond with support, understanding and compassion. Alas, my training failed me, and I misunderstood Marcia's post. And despite the very personally demeaning response I received, I must admit now that I do not regret erring on the side of caution, rather than assuming the comments were in jest. I was wrong, but I just as easily could have been right. I am not attempting to portray myself as some wondrously loving and overly sweet individual. I am human, with human feeling and fault like any other. In all truth, Marcia, I misread your post as one written by someone who perhaps was losing faith in this world, and my instinct and intent was nothing more than an attempt to respond to that, and perhaps aid someone who may have been on the brink of giving up. I misunderstood you, you misunderstood me. I would very much like to propose a truce between us, and start from scratch. Thanks to all for your indulgence whilst I endeavour to explain my actions in a way that hopefully Marcia will understand, and not think so ill of me. That is not my wish, Marcia. I hope it is not yours either.

Regardless, I wish you all the best

Bonnie

And bonnie continues her insatiable grandstanding.

The topic is now lost and the thread is now dead--- except for her narcissistic rantings.

Thanks a lot.

You may not know it. But people are more important then things or "topics". I appreciate the considerate comments of Marcia. That is way more important then being concerned about any topic or theme.

Ok, here is where I digress. Marcia, you are a mean spirited, arrogant, callous and coldhearted bitch, and I have had just about enough of your insults and ignorance. They say if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all, so do us all a favour and shut the fuck up!

I extent my apologies to all others on the board for my outburst, but I may be many things, but narcisstic I am not. Marcia you have presented yourself as nothing more than a fountain of negativity, and if I never see another post from you, it will be too soon.

Man of faith, while you may appreciate Marcia's rapier wit, I must, this time, disagree. I find her boorish and crude.

Grandstand this, bitch!

Bonnie

Rikki

While I'm not much for numerology, I did find your original post rather fascinating. I hope that you also will forgive the sudden appearance of my Irish temper with respect to my last post. Being Celtic yourself, I'm sure you will understand.

All the best

Bonnie

I love how Bonnie's christian sensitivities go out the window when her ego is tweaked.

No one has abused you, Bonnie (although they should, daily) but simply pointed out your raging pretenses. You dont give a crap about God nor River, you care only for your own filibustering vanity and, yes, narcissism.

Clearly I hit a nerve.

Oh, and I also love how you pretend to "apologize" for get off topic "in your last post" (HAAA!!!) and your pretending to get back on topic. (Teee heeee!!)

Hades awaits you.

Now that we've cleared that up---- what were you saying about numerology, dear?

No doubt you get on many people's nerves.

You are cruel and vicious, and feel your own ego by demeaning others. I lost my temper at your latest attack, and I do not apologize to you for that, only to others I may have offended.

My love of God and my affection toward River is none of your concern, and I care not what your opinion may be of either. Kindly refrain in future from polluting the atmosphere with your very obvious ignorance, malice and total lack of intellect. You apparently so enjoy making others miserable. Keep it to yourself. The fact that I lost my temper only serves to prove I am human, an attribute I am beginning to question in you. However, if it's a war of words you seek, with great effort, I can manage to condescend to your level. Given your persona, I'm sure God will forgive me.

Bonnie

Forget it bonnie, marcia likes to make analyzations on people- unfortunatly they all seem to be the same, everyone (but her of course) are 'fulling their own ego' somehow. if someone tries to be nice, it CANT be real, NO WAY! they have got to have some 'agenda'...'self-righteous' right marcia?

why does it surprise me? you cant just post and accept people, shove off a comment (and not an offensive one at that) and just carry on? oh no, out you come with guns blazing?
your sarcastic monotones get a little too much you know?
chill the hell out, you hate this thread? go and chat on another, start another, go somewhere else- whatever. it baffles me that when such a thing is posted you cant just say 'thanks bonnie, not what i ment' end of. maybe it would have helped if id pre-warned the other posters when i saw your first post? 'dont try to be nice to this one folks, she would just HATE that'? I was thinking bout it, lol, i honestly did think- wait til the religeous posts and people just being kind to each other for no reason except that they are starts when shes involved in a thread, shes gonna friggin' blow

sorry to all!

And of course rikki sees nothing wrong with bonnie's self-righteous, bitchery behavior. As rikki relates to it too closely.

Like it or not, rikki, your rep on "that other site" isn't what you like to imagine.

You're obviously just another prostitute.

ho's of a feather always ho together, bonnie

It's amazing how you can posture as the victim here. A review of this thead is clear indication of who's acting how. And how you're a cow.

God, stop eating your own feces and calling it the Bible.

Thank you Marcia. You last two posts just gave me the best laugh I've had in years. Do I detect a note of jealousy, perhaps? Maybe those who are capable of giving freely of themselves and believing in something greater than themselves annoy, or even intimidate you just a little? If that's the case, you have no place on a board dedicated to River Phoenix. He didn't cave to bullies, and neither do I. And I am none of the things your gutter mind comes up with calling me. Even Christ lost his temper at least once. So spew all you will, if that's what makes your pitiful existence easier to live with. I shall endeavour to concern myself with your welfare no longer. You obviously don't need any friends, which is fortunate, since the prospect seems remote.

Thanks Rikki for stepping up to the plate for me. I truly appreciate it, and I'm glad you understand me, as I have a great deal of respect for you. Sorry you got venom spewed at you for your trouble. Don't lose any sleep over it, my friend. In respect of what was said to me, I certainly don't intend to lie awake at night. I did my best to make amends, then I got mad. As I said, as a fellow Celt, I thought you might understand about that. In any event, according to the omnipotent Marcia, I guess I'll meet you in Hell! lmao!!!!!!

All the best Rikki

Bonnie

"Jealousy"?, bonnie? Of your "giving freely" ???

Good jumpin' Jehovah, bon-bons, you really do carry on conversations entirely with yourself, dont you?

At least my comments are in response to you (and skanky rikki) but you, bonnie, just seem to have some bizarre, ongoing conversation in your head that sometimes winds up being typed on a keyboard.

Stop wiping your tampons across your face and calling it the Blood of Christ... It's sick!!

Who's sick? You are positively repugnant (LOOK IT UP). And if it is the case that I should have conversations with myself, they would be far more tactful, insightful and intelligent than any I could ever have with you. And if you think for an instant that your grotesque antichristian rhetoric is going to get me going, you are sadly mistaken. God is quite capable of dealing with you all on His own. Despite my intense narcissism, I'm well aware that the Almighty does not need me to fight his battles for him.

Bonnie

God may not need you to do his bidding, bon-bons, but you sure feel free to speak for Him.

Your constant use of the Name of God to support your every post is, in fact, narcissism. The very definition of it.

It's your incessant way of justifying your every gesture, rant and vomited opinion.

Whetever. You comments are so ridiculous, they do not justify response.

They "dont justify a response" or you cant GIVE a sufficient one?

From what I see, boners, you seem to have this endless religiositous monologue going on completely independent of the conversation. You're apparently one of those internet goofs who isn't equipt to actually converse point for point, so you post some Jeezoid Mania crap and then occasionally throw in an insult.

Silly. I hate to think River is wasted on little ATW-ers like you.

Gee, Marcia, I really appreciate your informing me of my inadequacies vis a vis argument. Too bad you weren't there to let the Ontario District Court know that. Had you been, perhaps they may have thought twice before allowing me to practice law for 15 years.

And the word is "equipped".

Bonnie

I'll be sure to double-check your spelling in the future, Bonnie.

It's nice to know you have a practice, but I confess I'm stunned you're over 17.

_"And of course rikki sees nothing wrong with bonnie's self-righteous, bitchery behavior. As rikki relates to it too closely."_

....and on with the 'self-righteousness'. yawn , all too predictible arnt you? relating to bonnies behaviour, or the slanderous and bitter nature of yours? hmmmm, i'll rain check that one... rolls eyes.

_"Like it or not, rikki, your rep on "that other site" isn't what you like to imagine."_

i have a 'rep' on 'that other site'?! shucks see marcia, i post words on a screen made of glass, metal and plastic....my having a 'rep' amongst a bunch of strangers living on the other side of the globe doesnt really figure in my chain of thought...as it obviously does yours, you like to be the alfa male, thats cool- you go and you put every cyber soul in their place-good for you. The fact you brought that weird statement out of the blue proves its something your concerned about, dont shove it over to me. I should know better than to presume your narrow mind has room for the thought that not everyone has the same concerns as you do.

_"You're obviously just another prostitute."_

oh, obviously......you write that here like its a new thing, get a new hook. now we could chat about your 'rep', but i think you have displayed it quite nicely here.

Kudos, Rikki.

For sake of clarification, Marcia, the term is Barrister and Solicitor, regardless of gender. And had you any mind to spare, you would recall my mention of my four children, the eldest of which just celebrated her 19th birthday. So yes, I am over seventeen, and I act it. Et toi?

Your claiming to "act it" (your age) is in doubt. You type and behave like a kid--- I just hope you dont entertain your children the way Mr. Bottom experienced.

Your perception as to who intiated the "offensive" stuff, rikki, is equally predictable as it is selective.

And while you try to assert my allegedly questionable repuation, in the same breath you claim you dont care about yours. Again, selective.

But I'm glad you find me "alpha male" manly... does that mean you're soliciting me now as a customer? Sounds like Bon-bon's the solicitor by trade, so I can only interpret all this as lesbo-rific flirting.

Please dont type while pleasuring yourself, it's rude and makes squishy noises.

And also, your Youtube videos are nice, rikkmeister, but all those sappy lyical captions you keep doing force them into the tritr fangurl category. Plus you keep insisting on using that prostitutional font (in fact, EVERY font you use is one of the well-known "hooker fonts" outlawed in the UK.... but I'm sure you knew that).

Marcia, your argument is with me. Leave Rikki out of it. She doesn't deserve to have to endure your filth and idiocracy simply because she defended me. You are truly vile, and the very sort that I grew so nauseous defending that I left the profession in the first place.

Oh, and your wordplay regarding the "solicitor" bit, that was the lamest thing I've ever heard. Why don't you go get yourself an education, then come back and see if you can appear anything but positively perverse.

You continue to comment on my religious views, and yet it is in fact you who invokes them in conversation far more than I. Perhaps if you investigated some sort of spirituality whatsoever, you may not be as bitter, sad and abjectly putrid as you are now.

Bonnie

This is typical of your "logic", Bonkers.

You tell me to "lay off" rikki, when she was the one who willingly (and sluttily) entered into this.

An as far as you suffering abuse for your religious views, YOU were the one who not only put them on the table, you hijacked the entire thread with them.

You just expect people to love it.

And if you're a template for "spirituality", an example of how positive is it, then Hitler is Humanitarian of 1944.

How much does rikky pay you to get her off..... of charges?

Marcia

If you knew of what you speak when you made that comment about my children, you would know that were it in my power, I would be hunting you down as we speak. Both Rikki and Man of Faith can attest to that. Bravo, you have just brought me closer to hating another human being than I have ever been before. You should really do a little research on a person before you start shooting off that big mindless mouth of yours.

You are, in my opinion, a genuine waste of skin, devoid of human soul.

Bonnie

Your all stupid, shut up! bonnie, stop pushing all this church stuff all the time. You're an idiot. At least marcia's funny. I want to hear about the viper room.

River Phoenix died there.

Oh, rikki and MOF can attest to what, exactly? That you're a 14 year old girl who's now trying to deliver dumb threats?

If a brief exchange like this on the internet can cause you to come "closer that (you) ever have to hating another human being than ever before", then you must be worthless in court... It doesn't seem to take very much.

And why would I "do a little research" on whomever you supposedly are. Why would I care? You're 42 year old loon going on 14!

It truly amazes me that you question Bonnie's age, yet as a 37 year old woman you continuously regurgitate this filth at any given opportunity. The word 'pathetic' does not begin to sum you up.

A treat conversing with you as always styxy. Everytime i do it makes me proud that you have 14 years on me, yet already i advance you ten fold in the maturity stakes.

Have fun sleeping alone tonight as always (your single right?) - maturity score down by 5 points...aw, fu@k it

Hopefully, rikk*nt, by the time you reach 37, you'll have turned in your spike heels and boas and settle down with a nice guy named "Herb", as in a herpetic virus. You need to stop spreading that, and I'll hire Bonkers Bonnie to prosecute if you dont.

If you do your research, you'll find out how scary she is.

Do I smell trout?!?

hopefully, by the time you reach 38 you will have a man of any kind.

seriously, you cant be a happy woman to have this much resentment and bitterness towards every poster you encounter in cyber space (other than those who kiss your arse because they've seen the way you react to those who dont) and you cant possibly have had any sort of satisfying sexual relations to be so openly obsessed with it? really, your facination with people being gay/hookers/lesbiens and your talk of masterbation (seems you have quite a bit of experience in that department) is that of a 14 year old boy.

you realise that in one thread you have rinsed people of their religious belifes, likened them to hitler, accused people of solicitating sex, accused people of mis-treating their children, used phrases like 'thats typical of you' to someone you have been conversing with online for 45 minutes and on top of it accused everyone else of being 'egotistical', 'bitchy' and a 'loon'.

I suggest you search through the rubble for your open mind and give this thread a little once over from beginning to end. A little reality check is needed on your part styx, and this time you posted your filth on a forum that will *not* let you delete your incriminating posts or that of others to create the conversation the way you want it.

What's this fascination with MY marital status now, rikki darlin'?

I think having your "arse kissed" is more your style, as I understand you do it for free.

You can pretend you are the Mistress of Objectivity if you so choose, but, yes, you rep says otherwise. You are seen as a b*tch elsewhere, and for good reason, as well as a dictratrix.

So as per usual, you are the pot calling the kettle charcoal.

And, if anything, I was too gentle on this thread which I suggest YOU review as to who did what to whom and when... not that you wont be as selective when re-reading as when originally posting.

And the deletions I seem to remember were yours--- deleting even a thread of photos of River (!!!) just to communicate your power over other posters. Which speaks volumes about your character, to say nothing of your alleged fandom.

Now shut off the red light by your door and go nighty night.

I didnt expect your response to be anything other than what it was, more analyzations and the whole "its you, its you" thing. predictible, as always.

_"You are seen as a b*tch elsewhere, and for good reason, as well as a dictratrix."_

the fact you of all people have the gaul to write this towards another living soul is, in itself, completely hysterical.

_"deleting even a thread of photos of River (!!!) just to communicate your power over other posters. Which speaks volumes about your character"_

your speaking of the 'does river look like his siblings thread'? the one where i deleted photos from my 'photo bucket' account to make way for holiday pics? yes, im sorry i did not concider the impact of my actions on the posters of the internet movie data base, nor the status of my 'rep' with committing such an act(?!) muffled laughter I must have been too busy having a life and stuff.
if thats the best you can do then i go back to my statement of 'the word 'pathetic' does not begin to sum you up'

you are a joke. A completely, completely jaded individual.

No, rikki. And nice attempt to sidestep. As usual.

You know very well I'm talking about the lengthy thread of photos of River (not from YOUR photobucket account, honey) which EVERYONE KNEW you'd deleted from the imdb in order to prove your power over other posters.

What a horrible person you are. And an even worse "fan".

Marcia

Firstly, one cannot help but notice that you feel free to comment on the sexual habits of others, and yet you take offence when someone eludes to your own. Where I come from, there's two words generally used in such cases; hypocrisy and cowardice. Furthermore, I find it very difficult to believe that the word gentle is ever used in connection with you. You are a bully, and a pathetic, chickenshit one at that.

Bonnie

You're posts are always so objective, boner, like that law you "practice".

When did I take offense at someone asking me about my private life? I just dont want to be charged excessively.

And what's "bullying chickenshit" is your (and rikki's) attmepts to lay this all on me, not taking responsibility for your own posts, and your own evil (since you love to wax spiritually).

This is all bullsh i t. I've checked to see how rikki and bonnie post on the other threads, and this isn't the first time either have acted out. I can't find much on marcia one way or the other. If rikki deleted somebody's thread of pictures of River on ANY website, that is ugly.

I dont know who is telling the truth here and I don't care. Can we get back to the topic, it was interesting. I don't want to read all this stupid fighting and ganging up and finger pointing.

"What's this fascination with MY marital status now, rikki darlin'?"

About three posts from the bottom, Marcia. You have quite the selective memory there. Honestly, you are completely surreal. You're so full of it, you believe your own bullshit. And then you have the audacity to accuse Rikki and I of not taking responsibility???? If it's evil you're seeking, you need look no further than the nearest mirror.

Bonnie

Your last post didn't even make any sense, bon-bon. Not that any of the others did either.

Whatever happened to a lawyer being brief and concise? But I suppose seletive memory is part of what you're paid for.

Behold, Marcia, Queen of Denial. You know, part of my job is also confronting a liar with irrefutable evidence. You selectively choose to ignore that evidence, even when it's staring you right in the face.

YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE

Bonnie

What "irrefutable evidence" ? What "denial"?

The evidence of you ruining every thread you're on with your ego and trash and, ahhmmmm, "spiritual" comments?

Some lawyer, babe.

Be thankful I'm not your lawyer. I'd make sure you got the chair.

The evidence is the quote, stupid. You know, the one you made to Rikki when she questioned your marital status? Man, you are thick as well as sick. Have you ever seriously considered therapy?

Bonnie

You mean when I asked why she was curious about my private life? That quote?

And just how does that equate to my supposedly complaining about her asking? Of course, it doesn't. She can ask what she wants.

In contrast, of course, I never made comments about hers--- I assume she thinks of prostitution as her job, not her personal life.

You're a very bad lawyer. In fact, it's pretty apparent you're not one.

I hope your poor kids are tested for crabs.

Title says it all, Marcia.

Say one more thing about my kids, and we'll see if we can't hasten the process. I don't care what else you say about me, but keep you filthy mind off my kids.

Bonnie

Oh, I love the fleeting moralities of a "good christian", dont you?

Now just what did my "filthy mind" say or do regarding your kids?

The thing about "crabs"? Yes, crabs. As in seafood? Since they're allergic you shouldn't make them eat too much fish.

Jesus, you're just totally irrational!

Since when did I ever say my kids were allergic? You are delusional, and you are a coward, and your particular brand of irresponsible "humour" is not funny.

Yes, I am a Christian, and God knows what my family has been through, you don't. If you did, you would understand why you little sexual innuendos with respect to my children enrage me to the point where I would very much appreciate it if He saw fit to remove you from the planet at the earliest possible opportunity. Or you'de find some way to make mockery of my child's torment as well. That's your style.

Bonnie

And just who's "delusional" here? You're making things up, so maybe you're a good lawyer after all.

I dont give a frig about your family's history. It's not my business and I have no curiosity.

I also know nothing about your "child's torment" and there's no reason I should, but I've no doubt you've put your "Heart" into helping them, and at every possible opportunity. Their allergies are not terribly compelling to me. Sorry. But I hope they get better.

It's so interesting how so many of your posts attempt to constantly be threatening in one way or another, even to the point of invoking God's name to do your homicidal dirty work.

Sick, you are.

I've had it with you. You have no regard for anyone but yourself, not even children. You are a waste of energy better spent elsewhere, anywhere. I wish you well in your anger and misery, but I can stomach you no longer.

Bonnie

But don't leave me---- I'm so lonely!!!

Of that I have no doubt, Marcia. Everyone is bound to tire of you eventually. Goodbye.

Bonnie

Well, apparently YOU'RE not tired of me, boners, as you keep claiming you're not going to give me any more attention, and then do anyway.

A review of this thread reveals who's in possession of the tiresomishousness.

abosolutly typical,

i make reference to tons of posts in which you argue with MANY different posters (including me) and post things much the same as you have done here, then slowly the posts of anyone whos opionon differs from yours start to dissapear on EVERY single occasion (?) and you accuse me of deleting a random post, of harmless pictures, that ANY of the 1000's of imdb posters could have deleted, with absolutly no back up, not to metion- no reasoning for it, except that i 'want to show i have power'? what 'power' can i have on a random internet forum may i ask? who would care? and where, oh, where does the buck stop at me in the line of suspects? epecially when 'certain' people have a long line of history in that arena? your far too much woman, you want it too have been me want away you fool, and whilst you do- why dont you want for a real life along with it? its a real travisty that you look upon chat rooms as new found worlds full of political parties trying to prove their worth by trying to gain 'power' ROFL ....very sad indeed.

and by the way, making alternet ID's to back you doesnt work here (although you may get away with it other places) or i suppose just randomly- on a forum where someone signs up every 6 months- someone happened to do so, in the midst of you arguing (shock, horror), came straight to THIS thread, spent time going to 'review' bonnie and i's posting history on 'other boards' (they'd have to find us first of course, they must care alot!) and then came to the revolutionary conclusion that your right?
give me a friggin break....your fooling no one but yourself....lol.

rikki.

You're apparnetly sociopathic. I have no "alternative ID's" and who and where has anyone defended me HERE?

"Projection" is a word you've heard before from me, because you (not that you're alone) keep doing it... For one thing, you angrily insist (repeatedly) that I "demand" that everyone "agree" with ME. But when anybody ever does, they not only become my "alternative ID's", they tend to get bullied off the board.

That's YOU demanding agreement, girl, not me.

And regarding the deletions at that other site, you know very well there was a rash of posts being deleted--- posts from a lot of people, including some of mine. Most of the posts did seem to be "insult" posts (but not all)... But because you assumed I was the deleter, you went and had deleted a lengthy entire thread of pictures of River (many of which were mine, and many of which were rare), you then turned and BRAGGED about doing it on a new thread!!!

Yes, you're a horrible person. You lie and steal. And you only attach yourself to River as a way of promoting yourself, when you're really rotten to the core--- which is why so many people hate the ATW-ers, like you.

in all seriousness, i have absolutly no idea what your talking about.
my posts were also repeatedly deleted in that run. I even posted several messages directly to the 'deleter' (that were of course deleted) you will say now 'oh, the perfect cover up' and i could say the same to you, i wont and what i will say is not once did i accuse you of being responsible for that episode and i certainly posted nothing 'bragging' about deleting a photo thread i very much enjoyed as it goes. can you post a link?

as for the other comments, your right- ive heard them too many times, you know my answers will be the same, and so will yours and on it goes, on and on and on...

but i did miss this:

"Yes, you're a horrible person. You lie and steal. And you only attach yourself to River as a way of promoting yourself, when you're really rotten to the core"

thats an extremely brave assumption to make about someone you have never encountered in your life, very brave...or very juvenille and ignorant. I sure do spend my time discussing River to 'promote' myself to get..erm...to acheive...erm....??? do you even open your eyes when you write obsurd things like that? damn, if i wanted to promote myself (for what im still in the dark about) id give links to my myspace everywhere i go or at least use my real name, otherwise im just words on a screen that mean nothing to anybody (which is what i am, and what i like because thats the reality of it- if you differ from that chain of thought, thats your issue). as for being a 'horrible person' (a favorite turn of phrase for you) and 'rotten to the core' yep...cos who would know me better than anyone on the planet? some random woman from hicksville usa who calls me a prostitue on occasion over the internet, thats who! lmao.

Rikki,

You know EXACTLY waht I'm talking about (remember "that what I'm talking about!!", honey?)

You deleted a photo thread of River and then bragged about it in another thread. And everybody KNEW what you were bragging about.

How can anybody have a conversation with you (even an insane one) when you lie and lie and lie about everything point for point?

River probably knocked himself off willingly to get away from "fans" like you.

no, really can i have a link please? if you've succeeded in one thing its confusing me.

i did find this, that i posted just after one of my threads was deleted for the 4th or so time. www.imdb.com/name/nm0000203/board/thread/81302687

shame, it seemed innocent to me at the time, if id known everybody knew it was me (??) due to my incriminating evidence i (supposedly) left behind i wouldnt have bothered having a joke with you. lol!

And you know damned well, rikki, why I can't link the thread in which you bragged about deleting the pictures of River: because "seombody" deleted it.

Gee. I wonder who. And I wonder when.

As per usual, you only want to "win".

You slur River's name by using his sweet image to hide behind... only nobody buys it.

STYX - the river to Hades. How appropriate.

Just give up on her, Rikki. You're a far better person that to be wasting any more of your intellect or time of the likes of that.

Bonnie

"A far better person", bonnie/marcia'salterego ??

Sort of like Mussolini was a far better person than Anwar Sadat.

Then again, like attracts like.

Mussolini and Sadat. Hmmmm.... so, which one are you?

oh how convenient. no link.
this is pitiful.
no link is available because no link ever existed, if you (and everybody ) but mainly you, knew all the time it was me- you most definatly would not have let it slide....especially in a thread where you and i openly spoke about the deletion of your picture thread (ala the link i just posted) everybody knows that!
and, above and beyond it all, you have once again managed to minipulate a thread where you caused an argument to turn it onto someone else- congrats once again. besides all of that? i have heard no such nonsense from anybody else. 'talking' about me 'behind my back'?? (lmao! and most likely because you sent your 'pals' a private message to say 'i think it was rikki!!') I dont give a monkeys nut, because (ping) this is the internet.

honestly styx, this place seems to be your world where things affects you and that is just plain sad. sad. the fact ive wasted time entertaining your made up bullshit is even sadder.
so im out, as usual i give in first because, as usual, i care less about petty infantile word battles with people on the otherside of the atlantic, and as usual- you win. boy, for someone who ' likes to win', i sure do alot of loosing! lmao!
ciao

I'm sorry Bonnie. I got the names mixed up, and certainly the coninued agitation, and cruel comments are coming from Marcia; the drama queen. I happened to miss these rough words back and forth at first, but finally get it.

Marcia, you may consider that if just a blog like this full of interesting fans is igniting all these fire works that something else must have started all this anger in you. As far as any spiritual views it looks like this is the perfect place to mention things like that. Just think about these two reasons alone: for the fact that River both had strong religious/spiritual convictions, and has died at such a young age both invite questions and discussions. But when you try to shut other's views up, and try to shut every one down you are the loser Marcia. And no one will ever convince me of any negative thing about Rikki. She is simply terrific, and if you just can't accept other's you better find the reason why. We were all doing fine until you wrote out your untoward comments. Don't you know any thing about compassion, discretion, and consideration? If not your headed for a life time of anger, bitterness, and the promotion of hatred.

No apologies necessary, Man of Faith. I suspected such might be the case as you have never said an unkind word to me the entire time we've been speaking. I have the upmost respect and great fondness for you, as I do Rikki. I appreciate both your intellects and your decency. Having said that, I hope you will understand, given your knowledge of my family history, my less than dignified lack of self control, and loss of my temper in some of my recent postings. I will not even ask your forgiveness, as I know it would be most graciously given.

With much love

Bonnie

well i dont wanna be a monkey in da middle who gets sucker punched (by both parties)trying to break up a bar room brawl.i only have one comment. if riv could some how read all this crap slinging back n forth. in a weblog page that is supposed to be
"in his name". Anybody have a feeling what is opinion would be?

Good on you, love. I know it's hard to walk away, but to continue arguing with someone so completely devoid of any sense whatsoever, and ergo so utterly beneath you is an effort in futility. Marcia's life is obviously so mundane that all she seems to have is the outlet of attempting to bring her misery online. For us to continue to indulge her any further only serves to satisfy her sadism, and demean us. Let's leave little Miss Arsenic to wallow in her own poison, together with the knowledge that all she has truly accomplished is to strengthen the friendship you, Man of Faith and myself had already begun.

Your friend across the ocean

Bonnie

Thank you for your gracious words Bonnie.

Although I could stand correcting, but it is by faith that we can have a close relationship with God, not of our good works. Lest any person would boast.

Yes, we can become new creatures in Christ, but we're still human, and have to fight our fallen nature. I would never begrude a fellow Christian if I could help it. Because my biggest fault is being able to let go when I think I've been wronged. The bible says we can confess our sins to one another so, we could over come by praying for one another. Family problems can be so big, and so hard; I know. All of us have broken God's commandments, and have come short of the glory of God. That is where His resurretion, and power comes into play. He is able to bring down strong holds, darkness, attacks against our spirits, and give over coming power to defeat spiritual darkness. I know many people just think its superstition when discussing fights against demons. But through practical faith I've found its a supernatural reality. And I've found through Jesus how to fight back when I'm attacked.

Well, any way I'm off the pulpet for the time being. And yes of coarse you are an on line friend of mine Bonnie, just like rikki, fatymma, and other's. Its great to hear from you, Bonnie. May God richly bless you.

mof- dont apoligise
bonnie- your absolutly right
chava- so are you, this is nothing but a low 'bar room brawl' indeed, lol, and as per- im ashamed of myself for getting caught up in it.

Rikki

I second that humiliation. Damn Celtic tempers got the best of us.

Bonnie

Hey I see Rio leading us all in a giant hug of love and forgiveness! Because he definetly wants to bring about love. And we should really respect him cause this webblog is literally "in his name".oh geez im geting too biblical about my Rio referrences!

saint rio apostle 1

hope this is all taken in good humor and not misrepresented as blasphemy. I study White magick. But I have no official religion. Just try to learn from all that i connnect with.

Chava, I do not see any blasphemy coming from you at all.

In my humble opinion I'm pretty sure every one on this earth has a spiritual side. That spiritual side can be fed, and get large, and in charge. Or that spiritual side, although always there, can be neglected to the point where it is starved. A lot of mankind does worship something. Look at old films of how the multitudes reacted to Hitler, or the first British invasion by the Beatles, old concert footage of Elvis, and etc. Its natural to want to worship. And I've found a way to develop the spiritual side simply through prayer through out the day, and bible study with my kids almost every night.

y'all take care.

p.s.
I think Marcia and the old funkey monkey should get in touch with one another.

Hey, where is every body at?

Hi mof Ive been off the forum for a while,autumn is well and truly underway here in norway and I've had a damn cold for the past week now!!...sniffle sniffle lol.
Just trying to catch up on the latest threads.....very surprised but hey were here to differ on things I guess.Take care everyone X

Its nice to read about you nordicgirl. I mean here in Kansas City, Kansas the nights are cool, but the day time is just right. It jumps up to the eighties in temperature, and there is usually a nice cool breeze when it warms up. Sorry to hear about your cold, but things come to pass. A problem may bother us for awhile, but it eventually will pass.

Since we're not really discussing the main thing here right now; River Phonix; I'd like to say I had a terrific time at the local boy scout camp with my son on Friday night. He was so excited to get to sleep out over night in a borrowed tent. The borrowed tent was something small and rather old with most of the front's zippers broken. After arriving there I noticed most people had these nice big and newer tents to use. Our tent was borrowed from a church, and had been around for at least twenty years or more. It had seen better days to say the least. Any way on the way to the camp I was suprised to find out we would only be camping out on the ground. You see last summer there was a day camp where there were wooden platforms provided to place the tents which is gangs better then just placing them on the ground. The ground has a tendency not to be perfectly level which causes one to slide down all night. When our troop got to the camp site I noticed there was one; just one; wooden platform. I hoped beyond hope I'd reach it in time. Since most of the other's had these huge tents, and no on else noticed it I limped as fast as I could with my cane, and stuff to claim the platform. Holding on to our borrowed, old, and pitiful tent. My cousin's husband kind of bragged about having an air mattress to sleep on on the way there. There was a type of camp fire during the evening; with s'mores, hot dogs on a stick, You know sticks found any where off the ground and marshmellows. My son said that hot dog was so much better then indoor cooking. With the following morning my boy got up earlyer then me and went around the same smouldering campfire, and heated up marshmellows and pretzels; for a spontaneous breakfast. He graciously came back to the tent to offer his sleepy dad a burnt marshmellow. Nothing like starting the day with a burnt marshmellow I can tell you. Any way the day was filled with some games like frisbee bowling, trying to move a couple wooden slats with three different people standing on them and moving them at the same time. ANy way there were some activities during the day, and it was terrific to be with my nine year old son all morning. My son loved the beebee range the best, so I dug up his mother's old beebee gun, and let him shoot a few rounds after getting home. Oh yeah, the satisfying thing for me was to find out from my cousin's husband he hadn't slept that well because the air mattress hadn't done him much good. He kept sliding off the thing from having to sleep on uneven ground. I suspect he wasn't the only one in a field of nice, big, and new tents there were probably other's who were sliding all over the place during the night So, wisdom is justafied of her children and can sometimes over come old worn out tents that still provided a good night's sleep. Then my wonderful son had a soccer game later in the afternoon on Saturday I took him to since his mother was busy all day with a volley ball tournament with our daughter. Just to top everything off his team beat the other team by 9 to 4. After getting home I heated up a couple of frozen pizzas where the whole family finally got to eat, and watch a tv show called Cops. Over all simply a lovely weekend.

Hope all you River fans are doing well, and that your weekend measured up to fun and joy with your friends or family. Read y'all later. man of faith.

Great!!! sounds like you had a real ball mof......I myself am not a big fan of camping.I did it a few years ago with some family members for a weekend and I have to say I was less than impressed with it.I was cold, bored and hungry and in dire need of a good bath or shower lol!.I also had an aching back the whole weekend as I had slept awkward and for the whole time my daughter who was 10 at the time told me to stop moaning as she was loving every minute of it ha ha!

Some people love camping I have to say otherwise but Im glad you and your boy had a good time!

Take care for now analise.

oh i love camping :D
In scotland its pretty friggin cold- even in summer, but if you find a nice senic spot (of which there are many) and get a good fire going its just beautiful! ive not been in sooo long though, we had quite a misirable summer (hardly any summer in fact!) and it rained quit alot, so no camping was had this year winters set in really fast too- its FREEZING!!!! your trip sounds like alot of fun mof, such a nice father/son thing to do- lol, sorry to say, but its very sterotypically 'american' to me you know? i dont know any fathers who go camping with their sons! tell me you went fishing in a little wooden boat on a big lake, wearing hats with little feather on???! id just love that!

hope your all well
x

How did you know we did that very thing rikki?

Just kiddinng. There was no lake there, but it was so nice to see my son so excited and happy. I've never really camped outside before, but I was raised learning how to go hunting at night. I can get lost so easily on the roads of highways, however in the woods its easy for me to figure out my way in and back out to the car. Him and my daughter are the joy of my life. We weren't supposed to be able to have children. After talking it over with my wife over nine years ago we decided we'd like one more if possible after having a daughter for five years, but the doctors said there was almost no chance at all. So, after praying and just asking for His will in our lives my wife had our son on the way shortly after that. She wasn't sure so while being on vacation because she started having physical problems so, she went to the emergency room, and they couldn't find any evidence of him. None. Nada. They even suggested something to get every thing out, but my wife waited until we go home to see her doctor.

Then her doctor's nurses found him with a sonogram. Seems the little guy moved so fast it was hard for them to catch up with him swimming around. He zipped around so very fast that it was a chore to find him according to the doctor's helpers. He is so smart with a hundred and fifteen I.Q. He's over the 12th grade reading level while in the fourth grade, and is in a special program for kids with accelerated learning. He does so well at everything he picks up. And of coarse the little fella knows how to pray. What do you expect from a man of faith? Any way nice to read about you rikki. I must say the summers here were especially hot with the temperatures hitting a hundred for almost a month in August. The air conditioners were just blowing, blowing, blowing. Be looking for each one of your posts.
man of faith

Hey. Numerology has always interested me but I never feel that the books I choose have quality information on the topic. 2+3=5 1+9+7+0=1+7=8 Aug 8th month. Do you know more about 5 and 8? It would be interesting to run a full chart, need time of birth.

Thanks
-D