I'm sure you are all tired of "my database" blah blah blah, but here is the sire data for the BC sprint. I have the whole card in a pdf if anyone wants a copy shoot me an email. (elkurzhal@comcast.net) Also have my pp's if anyone wants them.
The sire data is pretty light for some of the euro's but getting there for the major us stallions. Up to about 200k races from 15,000 different horses. (only about 1500 of them have run on the pro-ride though)
Sorry the image quality is pretty poor when you chop the file size down to what the site allows.
First 4 black bars at beyer rating by age; 2,3,4,5+
Next are beyer rating by track type (Pro-ride is the red one)
The next 4 black bars are rating by distance; sprint is first, then mile, route, and marathon
The bottom two I recently added are on less than firm turf (the turf rating above only uses firm races) & turf sprints 5-6.5f.
Elk, thanks for the info but what do you take from this tool to use in determining who to wager on? Are you essentially using the figs for Pro-Ride as your basis for this tool in which case Crown of Thorns and Zensational have sires who "throw" the best Pro-Ride figs? Looks like an incredible amount of work and effort you put in, I am just curious as to how you use this portion to help put all the pieces together.
Ozzy, I basically use it to relate the figures to each other and determine what can really be expected on a surface switch.
Capt. Candyman for example is in good form and ran a 105 / 103 / 103 beyer in his last 3. the first two on dirt the last on poly. His sire Candy Ride, has been about the same on dirt (78) and poly (77), but is his get have a average top on pro ride of just 70. I would be hard pressed to see Capt. Candyman run better then mid to high 90 beyer.
Also kind of useful for Kodiak Kowboy who has been running on dirt and has a couple bad starts on poly. Posse's have been much better on dirt than poly, but from a small sample do very well on pro-ride.
I also use it to see if you can give a horse a "pass" for a bad race different track or surface. there doesn't seem to be a good example of that in here though.
STS... None in my database have tried pro-ride, but they have been a lot better on dirt and slop than poly or turf. I would guess nuetral would be very optomistic, more likely 5 maybe even 10 beyer points worse.
Sorry STS, answered from memory last night, which watching football... never a good idea. The pro-ride sample is one (mine that bird's goodwood) The rating looks high because there is nothing to average it with and he got a 99 beyer. That is 7 points lower then his best on dirts, so until the sample gets a little bigger I'm kind of mentaly ignoring that rating. The small number to the far right are the sample size (number of horse) for a track type. Poly is the only thing with more than 1, and it's about 7 points worse than dirt. Interestingly the same a MTB's dirt to pro-ride difference.
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