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Belgian fortress guns

March 29 2006 at 5:22 PM
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An interesting page on Dr Niehorster's site. Compare the anti-tank guns to the Dutch ones, notably the 6cm bunker anti-tank guns of Eben-Emael!
http://niehorster.orbat.com/021_belgium/forts/_forts-part_b.htm

 
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60mm anti-tank guns

March 31 2006, 3:45 PM 

I was interested in the 60mm gun mentioned. This is an uncommon calibre, most people wanting a gun in that size sticking to the old 57mm (6 pounder) calibre.

I did come across a couple of others, sitting in the courtyard of the Montjuic Military Museum in Barcelona. They were also anti-tank guns, on wheeled chassi with gunshields. One had an L/45 barrel, the other and L/50. No information about origin, but they looked Germanic. Does anyone have any ideas about them?

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Vickers?

April 2 2006, 2:31 PM 

Hi Tony,
Kosar's Panzerabwehrkanonen mentions a 60mm gun. Built in the 1920s by a Spanish shipbuilding company after Vickers design. A 40mm/60mm double barrel infantry gun, similar to the British 44mm/60mm infantrygun. It fired a 1kg armour piercing grenade with 550m/s initial velocity, penetrating 21mm of armour at 1km range.
There was also a 40mm Arellano Trubia infantry gun.
HTH,
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It won't be that one...

April 2 2006, 2:51 PM 

The guns I saw at Barcelona were high-velocity pieces. They looked a bit like a scaled-up 5 cm Pak 38.

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Spanish 6cm L50 anti-tank gun

July 23 2006, 11:44 AM 

Developed from the early 1950s, came with various shields. Weight 1095 ks, Max range 9 ks, effectively 1500 meters. In use with Spanish Army from 1954.
Source Mehl, Heeresgeschuetze aus 500 Jahre.

 
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Thanks! (NT)

July 29 2006, 12:28 PM 

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another one at Cartagena Artillery Museum

November 27 2006, 1:03 AM 


 
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Data!

March 4 2007, 9:40 PM 

Finally found some more info.
From: http://www.ejercito.mde.es/materiales/acorazadas/index.html

Spanish Tank Museum exhibit 28.
Cañón C/C de 60/45 Placencia

Placencia also made the Soviet 45mm!

Diseñado por la sociedad española Placencia de las Armas en l940,e stuvo en servicio desde 1948 en los Regimientos de Infantería, donde se mantuvieron bastantes años.
En el Ejército español sirvieron como contracartos y de acompañamiento y cuando quedaron anticuados, pasaron a las Unidades de Montafia, ya que se puede descomponer en 8 cargas.

Peso en batería: 925 kg.
Cañón: calibre 60 mm.
Longitud del tubo 45 calibres.
Sector horizontal: 50'.
Sector vertical: -5' a +30'.
Proyectil perforante: velocidad inicial: 790 m/s.
Perforación: 90 mm a 100 m.

 
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and the Mod 51

March 4 2007, 9:42 PM 

an improved model

32. Cañón C/C de 60/50

El cañón contra-carros de 60/50 Placencia mod. 51 es un arma de diseño y
producción españoles, desarrollada a partir del 60/45 del mismo fabricante.
Se construyó desde 1953. Podía utilizarse como cañón de apoyo, para lo que contaba con una granada rompedora.
La Cía de CCC tenía 12 piezas.

Peso en batería: 1095 kg.
Cañón: calibre 60 mm. longitud del tubo 50 calibres.
Sector horizontal: 50'.
Sector vertical: -5' a +25'.
Perforación a 500 m: 150 mm.
Perforación a 1 000 m: 1 1 0 mm. Dotación: siete hombres.
Grosor del escudo: 5 mm.


 
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Thanks again! (N/T)

March 5 2007, 9:14 AM 

Tony Williams: Military gun and ammunition [url=http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk]website[/url] and discussion [url=http://forums.delphiforums.com/autogun/messages/]forum[/url]

 
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Correction: It's PAK 40

March 6 2007, 1:45 PM 

Here is a photo of the Spanish 60mm anti-tank gun scanned from Terry Gander's 'Anti-Tank Weapons' (apologies for its poor quality; I am not an expert in using a scanner):



As for the picture you've sent a link to, I am afraid it shows the German PAK40 (also used by the Spanish army, if I am not mistaken) not the Spanish indigenous gun.

Best regards,
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Guns

March 6 2007, 1:58 PM 

Hi Piotr, thanks for that picture, do you know where it was taken?
The link indeed shows a PAK40, but in the background a Placencia 60mm! It was the only thing I could find...
Thanks,
Nuyt

 
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More pics by Amadeo

March 25 2007, 1:54 AM 


 
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Belgian FRC, Fonderie Royal de Canons

May 27 2007, 5:57 PM 


 
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76mm mortar and 47mm antitank gun

June 1 2007, 9:44 PM 



 
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with the Ardennes Rifles

June 2 2007, 11:08 AM 


 
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47mm

June 2 2007, 11:12 AM 


 
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FRC in German service

June 10 2007, 3:35 PM 

Denmark, from panzer-archiv-de forum


 
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60mm at Fort Battice

June 2 2007, 11:51 AM 


 
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More Belgian fortress guns

June 15 2007, 11:04 AM 


 
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FRC 75mm AA

June 15 2007, 11:19 AM 


 
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FRC Bourges 75mm AA

June 17 2007, 2:55 PM 

FRC also assembled Bourges Mod 36 75mm AA guns:

Source: Van Paard tot Motor, Tank Museum Brussels

 
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More fortress guns

June 15 2007, 11:21 AM 





 
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Did my 47mm Turret photo make it?

June 22 2007, 4:17 AM 

If not I can send it again.

 
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Yeah, but

June 22 2007, 9:12 AM 

is it FRC or French gun?


These turrets came from Belgian Renault tanks...

 
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French turret with French gun

June 22 2007, 10:09 AM 


 
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Re: Yeah, But

June 22 2007, 10:44 PM 

The caption on the site says this photo was taken in Belgium during the occupation.

The Belgians originally planned to buy 25 Renault MMC-34 tanks, and ordered turrets for them. Renault subsequently cancelled plans to build this tank, but Belgium was able to order twelve of the improved AMC-35. The surplus turrets went into coast defenses, under control of 11. Batterie of the Ve RAA.

There was a lot more complication before Belgium got her tanks, but this turret looks to me like one of those emplaced along 60km of Belgian coastline.

As to FRC or French, it doesn't look much like either one--possibly the Germans rearmed the turret?


    
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FRC 47mm at Overloon

June 29 2007, 7:00 PM 





 
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