There is one more country about which army it is very poorly known. It is army of Persia. Here at a forum already there was an information about Persian tanks and armored cars. The information about aircraft too can be found.
But, I can not find the information on artillery of Persia at all.
I know, that on arms were available:
75mm mountain guns Bofors mod.30 - 120
105mm guns Bofors mod.27-????
75mm AA guns Bofors mod.30/37 - 20??
75mm mountain guns Skoda mod.39-
37mm ATG Skoda
?????
I know that in Czechoslovakia 350 guns have been bought.

There can be somebody has the information what types of guns and mortars were used in the Persian army in WW2

Best regards
Cyril

Can be found here:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/330333/thread/1111927699/

One request to all posters: please refer to "Persia" in this case.

I read, certainly about Persian armour.
In the very first photo from a museum, too it seemed to me, that behind in the distance to the left a Bofors 75mm mountain gun.
In the center undoubtedly 37mm ATG Skoda mod.34 (3.7 cm ÚV vz. 34). On it a photo I could not define the third gun precisely yet. It is possible to tell precisely that it is a gun in calibre from 47 up to 65 mm, created approximately from 1890 till 1910, most likely firms Skoda or Krupp

Regards
Cyril

Dear Cyril

According to the article on the Persian Army, 1941, at orbat.comm, there were (assuming batteries of 4)

12 batteries 100mm Skoda M14 (=48 howitzers)
18 batteries 100mm Skoda M30 (=72 howitzers)
39 batteries 75mm Bofors M1934 mountain (so more than the first batch of 120 delivered)

6 1/2 batteries 75mm Scheider M1909 mountain (=26)
4 batteries Schneider 75mm M1909 mountain (=16)
2 batteries 75mm Russian Aboukoff (=8)
1 battery unknown British gun (18 pdr?) (=4)

11 1/2 batteries 75mm M1929 AA(several more guns not delivered after 1939)(towed by Marmon Herrington tractors)

also Skoda 105mm M35 towed by Praga tractors for coast defense on the Caspian (another source says "several" batteries which I interpret as at least three)

Somewhere I have figures for the number of Skoda 37mm AT delivered, but I will have to dig them out.

Hope this helps

Susan

Dear Susan

I with pleasure would look that is written to the article on the Persian Army, 1941, at orbat.com, but I can not open http://orbat.com/site/data/iran/persia41.html

Thanks for the help

Best regards
Cyril

I couldn't open it either, so I contacted the webmaster, Mr. Rikhye, and he sent me the file. I don't want to send the whole thing, as it is proprietary, but if you ask him he might send it to you. I summarized what it said about the Persian Mechanized Brigade elsewhere on this site, I can't remember the exact date.

I had forgotten that I sent a letter to Mr. Rikhye; here is what I said about the Persian Army

I have obtained a copy of Richard A. Stewart's Sunrise at Abadan: the British and Soviet Invasion of Iran, 1941 (Praeger, 1988). It has information on the Persian Army on Aug 25, 1941 as follows:

1. Guards Infantry Div (Teheran, Baghe Shah Barracks) B/G Karim Aga Buzarjehehri
2. Guards Infantry Div (Teheran) M/G Naghdi
3. Infantry Div (Tabriz) Gen Matbooi (had 8500 men incl an engineer bn)
4. Infantry Div (Rezeiyeh) M/G Ali Moini
5. Infantry Div (Kurdistan) M/G Hassan Moggadam
6.Infantry Div (Ahvaz) cdr? (Khorramshar, Abadan, Khuzistan, Bandur-i-Shahpur) included 1000 sailors at Khorramshar under Adm. Bayandor, a brigade of the 6. Div incl 45. Infantry Rgt, elms. of 1,2,30 Infantry Regiments, 8 medium tanks, 8 light tanks, 10 armored cars

9. Infantry Div (Meshed)cdr? two infantry, two cavalry rgt (Meshed), one cavalry regiment (Bojnora), 28. Infantry Rgt (Torbat), three batteries each of 75mm and 105mm howitzers

10. Infantry Div (Gorgan) Col. Mutazedi (acting)
11. Infantry Div (Rasht) cdr? (included 36. Infantry Rgt under L/C Iranpur)
12. Infantry Div( Kermanshah) B/G Puria
15. Infantry Div (Ardabil) Gen Gaderi (included two infantry regt incl 11., had 20 light and 15 heavy trucks)
17. Infantry Div (Khvoy) cdr?

Non-divisional units included the Mechanized Brigade (Teheran)

Regiments included in the above divisions were the 1. Pahlavi, 2., 11., 17., 28., 30., 36., 39., 43., and 45.

The only cavalry regiment identified by number was the 23., at Gonbad-i-Kavuz under Col. Hanjanus

It looks like a safe bet all the infantry and cavalry regiments were numbered consecutively, 1-45 and 1-25

I have checked my notes, and what I have is that a Persian Army infantry regiment had 6 x 81mm mortars and 6 x 37mm Skoda AT--this would require a minimum of 270 mortars and 270 AT guns to fully equip the army's forty-five infantry regiments. The actual number was bound to be less because the army was caught in the middle of an expansion program in 1939.

I also found a note that the 105mm coastal guns were to be in two groups "roving" the Caspian coastline, so this could mean two, four or more batteries.

The number of undelivered Bofors 75mm AA guns was at least twenty--that's how many ex-Persian guns the Swedish Army took over in 1939.

Thanks Susan!
You again have helped me. I hope I can sometime help you too.

По поводу шведских пушек, на сайте
http://www.mtek.chalmers.se/~m95perm/vapen/index.en.html
написано следующее:
"There is a 7,5 cm lvkan m/30-37, which roughly speaking is a m/30 gun mounted on a m/37 carriage. The m/30-37s had been ordered by Persia (Iran), but were confiscated by the Swedish government in late 1939."

In Tehran military museum one can see these artillery pieces:

In the middle I can ID a Bofors 75mm Mountain gun without shield.

To the left a smaller calibre AA gun (possibly Naval?). What model/manufacturer is this? Has anyone data, drawings or other photos of this type?

In the background (plus a front photo with a water mine) an AA gun of larger calibre. I guess it's Bofors, but researching the various Bofors models, none resembled this version. Note that it has numerous "ribs" around the barrel. Again more information welcome. According to the sources Persia had various Bofors AA guns, with the latest 75mm M30/37 scheduled for 1941 never being delivered by Sweden.

More puzzling: what is this myterious object on the far right of the top picture? Is it an ammunition storage or some kind of launcher? Never seen anything like that.

Finally inside the museum is a model of a field gun with Limber. Looks like something from Krupp or again Bofors/Skoda? Anyone recognize it?

Cheers

As new on this board i do not know much of guns but i know a little about ships.

"More puzzling: what is this myterious object on the far right of the top picture? Is it an ammunition storage or some kind of launcher? Never seen anything like that."

I think it is a Hedgehog (Probably an Mk 11) an ASW spigot mortar designed during WWII. The Iranians had it on a few US designed ships that they bought second hand in the 1970s. I think that the other guns besides the 75mm Bofors Mountin guns are naval guns, i think they are US made.

And now the mystery gun i think it is a US 3"/50 Mk.34 single mount.
Pics at this link.
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_3-50_mk27-33-34_pics.htm

Yes, I think you are right with the ID's. They certainly looked Naval to me, but wasn't sure whether these were pre-WW2 Bofors or later ones.

Any idea on the smaller AA gun on the left? Also US post-war?
Cheers

When i look at it it seems like a naval gun, it doesnґt look like a standard US postwar gun. It looks a bit British, the flash protector looks a bit like the British 2pdr anti aircraft gun. Persia/Iran have used e few British built warships.

Cheers

The model in the display case at the museum in Iran is a Skoda based on the Austro-Hungarian 8cm (76.5mm) M.05 FG. This may just be a commercial version of that gun.

http://forum.skalman.nu/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=33338#p486498
On the second picture (below the boat pic). What's that? A mortar or Barrel transport? Has anyone an idea?

Looks like a mortar barrel on transport?

The second pic is probably Bofors 15cm
But what is the howitzer standing next to the Bofors 75mm mountain gun and behind the 6 pdr/57mm at gun?

Longerange, do you know when this weapon was delivered to Persia. No publication mentions the sale, so either it was a small order or it happened after WW2...?

The large Bofors gun's bore seems too small to be a 15cm weapon, and is probably a 105mm gun; the ordnance seems too long as well to be one of the 15cm howitzers.

could be, did Persia have them?

The mystery howitzer you are looking for is a Soviet 152mm (Model 1909-30 Schneider?) howitzer (according to the sign in front of it 1944).
Compare:

Iran didn't have any German weapons pre-1945, except WW1 MG08, Lugers (via Switzerland) and C96 Mauser pistols (pre-WW1). The purchased artillery pre-1945 was entirely Skoda and Bofors. The early Artillery were left-over Ottoman, Russian and British

1) Sorry for the double post. Please delete the first comment above your latest question...
2) At a second look it's not the Soviet 152mm I posted. The sign there could be wrong... Maybe a captured German piece, later used by the Soviets? Or is it a different Soviet model?
3) Regarding the Bofors 15cm I will look it up later today.

Soviet 122mm howitzer model 1909-30

That seems to be it, though possibly w/o the muzzle break, so then it would not be the 09/30 but simply 09?

Regarding the Soviet 122mm howitzer you are probably right with the muzzle break.

Regarding the delivery time of the Bofors 15cm howitzers:
They must have arrived in Iran between 1935 and 1939, since they were towed by 6x6 Marmon Herrington trucks, which arrived in 1935, and were on parade display in 1939 during the Tehran wedding celebrations for Crownprince Mohammed Reza and his bride Fawzia.

As to the seize of the order; i'll try to look it up, but judging from the parade footage 1939 (which probably only included the 1st Division) there must have been several dozen Bofors 15cm howitzers.

The weapon is definitely a 15cm Krupp commercial howitzer similar to models exported to Sweden (their M/06) Argentina, Bulgaria, Ottoman Turkey, Italy etc...

Thanks Wesley!

The large Bofors gun's bore seems too small to be a 15cm weapon, and is probably a 105mm gun; the ordnance seems too long as well to be one of the 15cm howitzers.

The Persian gun is most likely the Bofors 105mm M/34 field gun.

do you have any idea when they acquired the Bofors weapons, after 1945 possibly from Sweden? Swedish pieces were L/42 and had sliding wedge breechblocks.

Fransson in Bofors 350 oar mentions 25 pieces all together being sold to Siam, Switzerland and Persia in the first half on the 1930s..., page 105

But Thailand had just four L42s, received in 1935:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/330333/search?searchterm=thailand&sort=date

All Bofors 100 and 105 mm guns were delivered by Sweden between 1935 and 1941.

Wesley, to which picture are you responding? To the scale model gun, or the real gun outside?
The model gun is definately a model of a Krupp, but if you mean one of the real guns, which one do you think is a Krupp?

Persia/Iran did not buy Krupp guns, only Bofors and Skoda.

Any Krupp, Schneider or British/Russian piece would be left-over World War I stuff.

Cheers

I am referring to the 16th photo in the series of photos from the Tehran museumhttp://forum.skalman.nu/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=33338#p486498. The gun in question is behind the 6 pounder AT gun. It is definitely one of the commercial Krupp 15cm (the bore is too large to be a 120mm) field howitzers similar to ones used by Argentina, Turkey (L/14), Bulgaria (M-1906), and Sweden (M/06). It would not surprise me to find that Persia at the time was yet another client of Krupp for this type of weapon. Perhaps there is someone on the forum who has close ups of this particular howitzer.

Ah! You mean the gun without weels on that wood-block...

That's a 122mm Soviet gun. It is ID'd at the Museum as a Russian gun from 1944.
A leftover from the Soviet occupation.

Cheers

So you are saying that in fact its a Russian Krupp M-1909 122mm field howitzer? I still think the bore looks too big, and the cradle seems too large to be the 122mm weapon, which had a narrower and shallower cradle; if someone goes there they should try to measure the bore and look at the breech markings (ie. ignore the signs, I sometimes find mistakes at these museums) as that is the only sure fire way to put doubts to rest. This suggested method may be somewhat risky in Iran, however.

Have found more information!

It's ID'd at the Museum as Russian 120mm 1914 (!), not 122mm 1944.

Here the photos... I think we have the answer now.

OK, that confirms it then, since I can now see it more or less close up. It would be a Krupp 122mm M-1909g field howitzer. The barrel is thinner than I initially thought.