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Dutch Navy Skodas!

October 28 2006 at 9:28 PM
nuyt 

 
One for The Edge!

Apparently the Dutch Navy had a number of Skoda 75mm L30 guns, bought just before WW1 (1913?). 8 pieces appear in the lists of coastal pieces in the 1930s, but no longer do so at the beginning of WW2.
Here is a picture from Verbeek, Kustversterkingen 1900-1940. The guns were used as coastal during WW1 at IJmuiden:

I think with the Navy this gun was known as the 7,5cm No 4. This type was used on the Z-class torpedoboats and some minelayers...
Here's a drawing:

Does anybody know more about these guns in Dutch service and also in general: were they used by others, like the K.u.K. Marine?

Kind regards,
Nuyt

 
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Susan Cross

Re:Dutch Navy Skodas

October 30 2006, 9:47 PM 

Rene Greger's book "Austro-Hungarian Warships of World War I" has a table of K.u.K. guns on pages 9-10. There is a Skoda 7.5cm L/30 AA gun, listed as being introduced in 1916 with a muzzle velocity of 600 m/s, a gun weight of 0.49 metric tons, a projectile weight of 6.0 kg and a maximum range of 6,000 meters.

 
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Nuyt

Thanks, it's the K12

November 17 2006, 4:27 PM 

I have found more references to this gun on maritiemdigitaal.nl
It was the 75mm L.30 Deckgesch├╝tz K.12., used on board torpedoboots of the G class. Made by Koninklijke Maatschappij De Schelde, Maatschappij voor Scheeps- en Werktuigbouw Fijenoord and Skodawerke.


 
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Nuyt

Dutch army Skodas!

May 29 2007, 11:20 PM 

Sensational!

Jos has just uncovered another interesting gun in Dutch service that no one had bothered to investigate closely before. It's the 75mm Skoda AA gun acquired in 1940 by the Dutch Army. It was always named in one breath with the Dutch Vickers and Hembrug 75mm AA and though their specs were different, many (including your moderator) were always fooled into believing that the Skoda was a Vickers copy.
Well, it was not.
Here it is:


Note the three legged mount, two wheel carriage and the muzzle end. No Skoda gun was like this, at least not in the books.
Swiss and French Schneiders come close, but not all had this carriage or mount:



Now the Dutch guns were bought with Skoda in 1939/40, but they seem to have been Schneider M36 or M38 models!
Who knows more about these Skoda-Schneider weapons?

 
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nuyt

one more

May 29 2007, 11:36 PM 


 
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David Reasoner

Re: one more

May 30 2007, 8:40 PM 

Very nice photos! According to this, only 9 were delivered of 60 pieces ordered from Skoda:

http://www.waroverholland.nl/index.php?url=/uk_weap016.html

David

 
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David Reasoner

Correction to previous post

May 30 2007, 8:42 PM 

The link should have been:

http://www.waroverholland.nl/index.php?url=/uk_weap007.html

Sorry!

David

 
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David Reasoner

Schneider Canon de 75mm Mle1939

May 30 2007, 9:33 PM 

I confess I hadn't noticed the similarity between the Dutch Skoda 7.5 tl No.2 and the Schneider weapon before. David Lehmann makes mention of a proposed antitank development of the Schneider Mle1939 with 3-legged carriage here:

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=92112

David

 
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nuyt

Italian Skoda/Schneiders

August 30 2007, 11:26 AM 


 
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nuyt

Spicy

June 2 2007, 3:42 PM 

The pepper in the sauce is of course that Schneider - as a major shareholder in and supplier of designs to Skoda of Pilsen - allowed this model 1939 gun to be built by Skoda, when that last company had come already under German control since the occupation of Bohemia.
I suppose the deal was made before september 1939, when France, Schneider's mothercountry - found itself at war with Germany.
Equally spicy is the assumption that Germany allowed Skoda to produce Schneider models for export.
In 1938-39 the Schneider-Skoda arrangements simply continued under German control?
Food for thought....

 
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The Edge

Maybe something is here

November 2 2007, 5:36 PM 

" holenderska 76,5mm Skoda m1933 "

(Dutch 76.5mm Skoda m1933)

Photo:
http://www.ioh.pl/forum/download.php?id=12145&sid=b9891938fc07b911a6498df3284886ab

Source:
http://www.ioh.pl/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4478&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=50&sid=dcefeb4069d8eddadf7e72c1cdb82668

Unfortunately, only a part of the gun is visible. I also found a lot of wrong identifications amongst on this site.

Does these uniforms reveal something?

 
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nuyt

Well,

November 2 2007, 6:39 PM 

they dont look like Dutchies!

 
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The Edge

Another dead-end

November 5 2007, 3:57 PM 

Probably Germans - I later spoted the helmets.

 
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nuyt

or

November 5 2007, 4:42 PM 

Danes or Swiss?

 
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nuyt

Could they be Swiss?

January 25 2008, 1:42 PM 


 
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nuyt

Hell no

January 25 2008, 6:43 PM 


 
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Justin Wheeler

Swiss ?

February 12 2017, 9:20 PM 

Argentines bought the Swiss gladiator helmets, only real difference being the leather strap.

 
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The Edge

something useful

November 7 2007, 11:06 AM 

On the bright side, at the same page:

"holenderski 75mm Vickers M1935"
http://www.ioh.pl/forum/download.php?id=12582&sid=ae89de3e80b8b2ddcc1e6d48e1ce2ebd


 
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Wilhelm

Skoda vz.37 in Dutch Army

March 19 2017, 10:07 AM 

According tohttp://www.delostrelectvocsarmady1918-1939.estranky.cz/clanky/protiletadlova-dela/7-5-cm-kanon-proti-letadlum-vz.37.html nine vz.37s were delivered to the Dutch.

One thing that makes tracking 7,5 cm t.l. luchtdoelkanon nr. 2 hard is that several photos in Dutch Army collection appear miscaptioned:
e.g. these oldtimers:
http://nimh-beeldbank.defensie.nl/beeldbank/indeling/detail?q_searchfield=skoda
http://nimh-beeldbank.defensie.nl/beeldbank/indeling/detail/start/3?q_searchfield=skoda

and these Boforses:
http://nimh-beeldbank.defensie.nl/beeldbank/indeling/detail/start/1?q_searchfield=skoda
http://nimh-beeldbank.defensie.nl/beeldbank/indeling/detail/start/2?q_searchfield=skoda
http://nimh-beeldbank.defensie.nl/beeldbank/indeling/detail/start/4?q_searchfield=skoda
http://nimh-beeldbank.defensie.nl/beeldbank/indeling/detail/start/7?q_searchfield=skoda

OTOH there is also a vz.37 pic
http://nimh-beeldbank.defensie.nl/beeldbank/indeling/detail/start/8?q_searchfield=skoda
and a predictor labeled Skoda in the Dutch Army photo archives
http://nimh-beeldbank.defensie.nl/beeldbank/indeling/detail/start/5?q_searchfield=skoda

To complete the confusion Schneiders are systematically labeled Hotchkisses:
http://nimh-beeldbank.defensie.nl/beeldbank/indeling/detail/start/1?q_searchfield=hotchkiss
http://nimh-beeldbank.defensie.nl/beeldbank/indeling/detail/start/2?q_searchfield=hotchkiss
http://nimh-beeldbank.defensie.nl/beeldbank/indeling/detail/start/3?q_searchfield=hotchkiss
http://nimh-beeldbank.defensie.nl/beeldbank/indeling/detail/start/4?q_searchfield=hotchkiss
http://nimh-beeldbank.defensie.nl/beeldbank/indeling/detail/start/5?q_searchfield=hotchkiss
http://nimh-beeldbank.defensie.nl/beeldbank/indeling/detail/start/6?q_searchfield=hotchkiss
http://nimh-beeldbank.defensie.nl/beeldbank/indeling/detail/start/7?q_searchfield=hotchkiss
http://nimh-beeldbank.defensie.nl/beeldbank/indeling/detail/start/8?q_searchfield=hotchkiss
http://nimh-beeldbank.defensie.nl/beeldbank/indeling/detail/start/15?q_searchfield=hotchkiss



 
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Wilhelm

Schneider AA gun in Dutch Army

March 19 2017, 10:35 AM 

Although captioned Hotchkiss the Dutch Army photo text of
http://nimh-beeldbank.defensie.nl/beeldbank/indeling/detail/start/15?q_searchfield=hotchkiss
includes the useful tidbit "niet ingevoerd bij het Nederlandse Leger": not adopted by the Dutch Army.

 
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