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WHAT THE EXPERTS SAY about AIDS
"AIDS is truly an iatrogenic disaster of the primary magnitude. By iatrogenic, we mean that clinical AIDS is a syndrome that is primarily being caused in the Western World now by doctors and their medicine. Im not sure whats more terrifying: that this state of affairs continues to exist at all in spite of all the obvious evidence, or that the English language actually has a word for it." - - Newly Abbott, political researcher"Such evidence up till now has never been produced for HIV. No photograph of an isolated HIV particle has ever been published... No control experiments as mentioned have been published to date. What has been shown are photographs of virus-like particles in cell cultures, but none of isolated viruses, let alone a structure within the human body having the shape ascribed to HIV." - Dr Stefan Lanka in HIV: Reality or Artefact
"In truth, AZT makes you feel like youre dying. Thats because on AZT you are. How can a deadly cell toxin conceivably make you feel better as it finishes you, by stopping your cells from dividing, by ending this vital process that distinguishes living things from dead things? Not for nothing does AZT come with a skull and cross-bones label when packaged for laboratory use." - Anthony Brink, AIDS researcher
"Its not even probable, let alone scientifically proven, that HIV causes AIDS. If there is evidence that HIV causes AIDS, there should be scientific documents which either singly or collectively demonstrate that fact. There are no such documents." - Dr Kary Mullis, Nobel Laureate for Chemistry
"But there was never really to my mind, and I have looked at this very closely now, evidence of a new virus actually being isolated. I think, like myself, in that second half of the 1980s, it was a great story and we took it on board as a kind of public health emergency too. And thats a danger with any group of professionals, whether they are media workers or scientists, to get too close to the sort of propagandising that happened with AIDS. We lost our sense of judgement, Im afraid on this issue, because we felt that sense of fear and urgency. It was like a war and in those circumstances the critical judgement went out of the window for too many of us." - Neville Hodgkinson, former science and medical correspondent for the London Times
"If you think a virus is the cause of AIDS, do a control without it. To do a control is the first thing you teach undergraduates. But it hasnt been done. The epidemiology of AIDS is a pile of anecdotal stories selected to fit the virus-AIDS hypothesis. People dont bother to check the details of popular dogma or consensus views." - Professor Peter H Duesberg, University of California, Berkeley
"The [HIV] hypothesis has become all things to all people. It violates everything we previously knew about virus disease, and allows any kind of therapy, any kind of research, to generate research bucks. What kind of science continues to place all its marbles, all its faith, all its research dollars, in such a theory? The answer I keep coming back to is that it has nothing to do with science; the reasons are all unscientific. We have taken sex and equated it with death, and into that mixture we have thrown money. What an ugly stew." Dr Harvey Bialy, editor Bio/Technology "HIV imprinting has become subconsciously internalised on such a global scale that people will not be able to accept the brute reality that HIV does not exist." - Alex Russell, assistant editor Continuum Magazine
"With public health officials and politicians thrashing out who should be tested for HIV, the accuracy of the test itself has been nearly ignored. A study last month by Congresss Office of Technology Assessment found that HIV tests can be very inaccurate indeed. For groups at very low risk - people who dont use IV drugs or have sex with gay or bisexual men - 9 in 10 positive findings are called false positives, indicating infection where none exists." - US News & World Report, 23rd November 1987
"In the September 4th issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association [JAMA], the CDC announced that a diagnosis of AIDS no longer requires an AIDS test. The government now considers you are an AIDS carrier if you suffer from any of the maladies on its new list of diseases indicative of AIDS, including such relatively common infections as herpes simplex, tuberculosis, Salmonellosis and a shockingly broad other bacterial infections. This broad definition will lead to countless new AIDS diagnoses - whether or not the person actually has AIDS." - Los Angeles Weekly, 18th December 1987
"It is beyond belief. I dont know what to do. Im ashamed of my colleagues. Im embarrassed. This is such shoddy science. Its hard to believe nobodys protesting. Damned cowards! The name of the game is to protect your grants. Dont open your mouth. Its all about money. Its grounds for just following the party line and not being critical when there are obvious financial and political forces that are driving this." Dr Joseph Sonnabend, AIDS researcher
"In pregnant women treated with AZT at a hospital in India, Kumar et al. report a shocking number of therapeutic and spontaneous abortions, and of the live births, a number of grotesque birth defects included holes in the chest, abnormal indentations at the base of the spine, misplaced ears, mis-shapen faces, heart defects, extra digits and albinism." - Kumar et al., Journal of Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndromes, 7:1034-9, 1994
"I have worked as a medical science reporter for 30 years. I began this career at age 22. Ive interviewed thousands of scientists for newspaper and magazine stories, radio and television productions, and books. Ive met many scientists who at least try to keep an open and fair mind on scientific issues. I have also met many propagandists who think theyre scientists. In all the time Ive worked as a journalist, Ive never come across a nastier group of people to interview than those propagandists who work in HIV research." - Nicholas Regush, "Second Opinion", ABC News
"Families just bring [children] as orphans, and if you ask how the parents died they will say AIDS. It is fashionable nowadays to say that, because it brings money and support. If you say your father has died in a car accident it is bad luck, but if he has died from AIDS there is an agency to help you. The local people have seen so many agencies coming, called AIDS support programs, that they want to join this group of victims. Everybody claims to be a victim of AIDS nowadays. And local people working for AIDS agencies have become rich. They have built homes in Dar es Salaam, they have their motorbikes; they have benefited a lot...
We have everybody coming here now, the World Bank, the churches, the Red Cross, the UN Development Program, the African Medical Research Foundation, about 17 organizations reportedly doing something for AIDS in Kagera. It brings jobs, cars; the day there is no more AIDS, a lot development is going to go away....
You don't need AIDS patients to have an AIDS epidemic nowadays, because what is wrong doesn't need to be proved. Nobody checks; AIDS exists by itself." Philippe Krynen, director of Partage, an organisation dedicated to supporting sick and displaced families (and especially children) in Tanzania