to PC06: That player is very lucky he did not hit his head on the floor during the fight. However, even if the OLA severely punishes players who fight . . . fights are still going to happen. Look at European Hockey leagues. THe IIHF penalizes fighting with a Match penalty - which does make some sense when you think about it. If you are fighting you are attempting to injure them. Anyways- fighting in Europe is rare but does still happen and people can still get hurt.
To Keith . . . Common now. The Mod should not pull every brawl video. That is very naive of you. Its like when they pulled the JR C brawl with the Boro and Whitby - the people that do want to see that video will just go to Youtube directly to see it. The night that Nations and the Lakers slugged it out there were multiple posts with people wanted to know what happened. The appetite was there for the video. ALso, pulling the videos down does not fix the problem. Until changes are made there will still be some element of goonism in lacrosse.
Ron: I think the David Branch comment is a little over the top. Branch is a polarizing figure in the Ontario hockey world. One one hand- he was the first league to implement a checking to the head penalty. He has taken drastic steps to reduce fighting in the game - and is now considering steps to eliminate fighting from Major Jr Hockey. You do have to give him credit that he is trying to improve the game and his players safety. On the flip side - Branch has handed out some of the worst , most lopsided suspensions in hockey history. If you sneeze in the OHL you get 15 games. Lacrosse does not need the Iron fist of David Branch to clean up the game.
To all: I find the fighting / anti-fighting argument frustrating. First of all, the pro fighting stance is still the majority however the anti-fighting crowd is a very loud minority and neither side seems willing to concede to the other.
Why doesn't lacrosse compromise?
PRO-fighting people: We need to let go of the 80's. Lacrosse is a decade or two behind hockey. How many linebrawls do we see in hockey now? We get about 1 a week in lacrosse it seems. The days of brawling it out should be behind us. Yet, the current rulebook allows brawling (see my suggestion below). Goonery should not be tolerated. If you deliberately attempt to injure or injure someone you should have the book thrown at you and no option to buy back. We can still keep fighting in our game but we do need to be a little more progressive.
Anti-fighting people: Why change out great game? Lacrosse is unique and it is not for everyone. It is a tough game. Why should we listen to outsiders that know nothing about our game. Come to the memorial center sometime, in the Lakers home opener there were 3500 standing screaming fans when Suitor dropped the mitts in his first game as a Laker. The appetite for fighting is still there. No one walked out of the building in disgust.
What I suggest: A few minor tweaks to the rules.
For example: The rulebook (unlike hockey) does not penalize a 2nd, 3rd etc fight during the same stoppage in play. So in lacrosse a linebrawl could earn everyone 5 min each and they stay in the game. Change this so that the original fighters just get 5 and everyone else gets 5+GM. This should help reduce the frequency of brawls.
In Junior hockey you are no longer allowed to take your helmet off to fight. Maybe that is something to look at in lacrosse. Personally, I do not mind "staged fights' (although I hate that terms because it is very real - nothing is staged) . . . but for the people who really hate them . . then perhaps looking at an additional penalty for removing your helmet or removing your helmet to challenge an opponent.
Eliminate buy backs . . . if a player earns a suspension . . the player sits the suspension
Why dramatically change our game . . there is nothing wrong with it. Sure, there have been a couple of recent ugly incidents and a nasty one out in BC but I think with a few minor tweaks we can find a middle ground that works for everyone.
Posted on Jun 1, 2012, 4:34 PM from IP address 220.127.116.11