I am sure every lacrosse fan was thinking this last week when Rogers bought the rights to NHL out from under TSN and the CBC. This IL Indoor article has its points, but it more or less focused on the NLL.
What I like is the prospects of CBC Sports grabbing on to lacrosse, especially in the summer. That is lacrosse, over the air, across the nation. What sort of investment would the CBC have to make? Certainly broadcasting lacrosse fits their mandate, but one would think - one would hope - that the movers and shakers of lacrosse in Canada, esp. Ontario are on top of this right now.
Posted on Dec 3, 2013, 6:22 PM from IP address 22.214.171.124
CBC will move away from sports entirely. TSN will look for properties produced by others to keep production costs low - e.g. US college football, NBA, soccer. The challenge that lacrosse faces is generating viewership that will result in advertising revenues that exceed rights fees and production costs. It's not simply a matter of filling up air time. I know you don't like making money, but TSN is a for profit enterprise and its executives will be fired if they don't make money for the shareholders.
Posted on Dec 4, 2013, 9:43 AM from IP address 126.96.36.199
Firstly, I am not sure where you get that I "don't like making money." If you can point out the post or thread that I have indicated this to you, it would be appreciated. I am betting you can't, so we'll let that slide.
Secondly, I wonder if the CBC will get away from sports, or too far from sports. However, having access to a national over-the-air network could be the prized medium. Certainly, there would have to be program sponsors, but there could also be an investment by the CBC themselves, an investment to build up the viewership of the sport. The NLL would be the better bet, but some sort of local coverage in regional markets could be worthwhile. I mean, I am not sure if you have viewed any CHEX Peterborough/Oshawa programming, but they play to a lot of local advertising. I see Senior A as being a better fit for the CBC because of the regional programming mandates, but then again, a national pro summer box league would be an interesting concept. (Paul St. John, where are you?)
So, in summary, I do like making money, but believe that making money requires an investment one way or another. There was a day when the NHL was only 6 teams and the CBC had no problems making investments then. One could even say that their investment then led to the growth and popularity of the sport, certainly in Canada, which in turn generate a whack of revenue for them, So it is not beneath them to make these sorts of investments. Unless you happen to be a regular viewer of Heartland, Mr. D or the Ron James show, it could be a go.
Posted on Dec 4, 2013, 3:16 PM from IP address 188.8.131.52
I for one would agree with a summer pro league. It would open up more lacrosse for those young men that are finishing off junior lacrosse and have no where to play after as the NLL players take up spots on the major and senior teams. Some of them play in both leagues. A pro league might be interesting to either CBC or TSN.
Posted on Dec 4, 2013, 3:35 PM from IP address 184.108.40.206
CBC used their hockey profits to fund their other sports programming and investigative journalism. Will be interesting to see if they can still produce their current properties, let alone add more.
As for TSN, I think I do see a fit. I believe TSN is going to go all in with Junior hockey coverage, adding games of the week and maybe doing regional broadcasts in the 3 different leagues. This makes sense as it would go hand in hand with their world junior coverage. If TSN does do this, I think there is some synergy to be gained by adding more lacrosse games as well. Similar production processes, production value, crew sizes, and sharing on-air talent are some reasons why it would be easier for TSN to add some more games and I think there is a decent cross marketing campaign to be made between the two properties as they will be targeting a similar audience for both. This would be much easier and more streamlined than trying to pare down a beefed up NHL style production and wrap it around an NLL game, this is where they will see the cost savings. If TSN develops their junior coverage, it will be very easy and cost effective to use the same process for lacrosse and it makes sense to do so because it will give them more return for their investment in junior hockey.
Posted on Dec 4, 2013, 3:57 PM from IP address 220.127.116.11
Why would you mistake my defence of the working man as a dislike for making money? I would love to see a summer pro League on TV . My big moan Anal is trying to keep the game affordable for all families thats all.
Posted on Dec 4, 2013, 5:59 PM from IP address 18.104.22.168
We are running clinics again this Sunday (December 8th) at Scarborough's Leacock Arena. The clinics are free for registered players, and $10 for non-registered players. You can register on-site if you haven't done so already!
1-3pm - U9/U12/Bantam Boys & U16 Girls
3-5pm - Midget/Prospects Boys & U19 Girls/Women
For more information or to confirm your attendance, please feel free to contact us at email@example.com .
Please note that all of the goalie spots for this weekend have already been secured.
See you on Sunday!
Posted on Dec 3, 2013, 9:23 AM from IP address 22.214.171.124
A lot has changed over the five years Jeff Williamson has been with the London Blue Devils.
The bench boss is taking a step back from the team, not a step away he assures. After two years as the general manager and three years as the co-head coach, he wants to spend more time on the lacrosse floor with his five kids four of them enrolled in the minor leagues of the sport.
While Williamson wont be on the Blue Devils bench anymore, hes still close to it, reaching out to prospects and even scheduling the local Ontario Jr. B lacrosse teams games. He said in the back of his mind, booking game days is about finding a way to work around his kids matchups and practices and still be able to come out to Earl Nichols Recreation Centre.
Williamson is even helping pick the new GM unchartered waters for him and the team.
The Brampton Jr. B Excelsiors wish Jeff all the best. In the short time we had to interact with Jeff we found him to be a classy and well respected gentleman. The London Blue Devils will miss him I'm sure.
Brampton Jr. B Excelsiors
Posted on Nov 29, 2013, 10:51 PM from IP address 126.96.36.199
nothing. The OLA has shown countless times in recent years that officials are simply the necessary evil and there is nothing in place, aside from some attempts by the OLRA, to protect officials. The OLA has gone so far as to defend their own executive after individuals have verbally berated referees and pass it off as simply this person's normal behaviour. Like that should wash with the referee on the receiving end. These same individuals have come on this forum and put down individual referees, by name, and again have only been asked to write an apology.
If the OLA does not police their own, how can we expect them to police the parents and fans?
The OLRA has also seen fluxes in numbers over the years and how do they respond - raise the clinic fees to become an official. Nice.
Posted on Nov 28, 2013, 1:05 PM from IP address 188.8.131.52
Most minor associations that I know of in BC pick up the costs of ref clinic. I know that I stopped reffing because of the abuse. I know I wasn't the best ref out their or someone who just take the abuse. But I do realize that to grow the game you need refs and the way their loosing them in BC is not good and very few refs that are moving up to the higher levels out here. I decided to give back to my association by coaching instead of ref because of the abuse.
Posted on Nov 28, 2013, 2:15 PM from IP address 184.108.40.206
There is often the complaint of the so-called Entitlement Generation. Who knows if this social phenomenon is even true or wide spread if it is. One thing is for certain though, people - whether parents, fans or league executives - who abuse referees and other game officials, do it because they think they are entitled to. Take away the sense of entitlement and the abuse will largely disappear.
Associate entitlement with bullying and you can see where this is headed.
Posted on Nov 28, 2013, 5:44 PM from IP address 220.127.116.11
this article appeared on my home page this morning, since the big boys, the pros, have started this ball rolling it will only get worse....this isn't new though, this is the reason we have limited play grounds or netting all around a playing surface, people just don't want to be responsible for themselves...there is a very weak segment of our society that just can't look after themselves and be responsible and we are all paying for that today and it will continue to get more expensive to participate if we don't say enough is enough, or worse there will be nothing to participate in.... you make your choices you live with the results....life really isn't that hard that we need to have someone babysit us from cradle to grave....
But how do we say "enough is enough" in a way that makes a change? Who do we say it to? The league executives, the insurance companies? Who gets the message and, when they do, are they willing to make changes or stop the slide towards the inevitable:
it is up to the courts to take a stand and get away from the thought process that allows these suits to begin with....take this kid, he is wearing a helmet, he is wearing a cage, how is it possible that his concussion came from a single cross check to the face? it might be possible if the cage was defective, if the cage was not properly installed on the helmet or if the helmet was not worn properly...bottom line, none of these things have anything to do with playing hockey, the people who run hockey or the associations as a whole...they should not be in any danger of being sued in a case such as this and rarely in any other case...as it goes with school boards and playgrounds and parks, they are rarely the cause of personal injury or could do anything to prevent general bad behaviour by people or the failing of a piece of equipment whether it be from improper use, faulty materials or poor construction or design...the reality is the easy way out wins, people don't want to put in the effort to do what is really right....we have been paying the price for long time, since we were kids in fact, and it isn't getting any better...
Posted on Nov 29, 2013, 10:03 AM from IP address 18.104.22.168
This is interesting article a couple of points I would like to make is when you sign a registration form for lacrosse isn't it also a waiver form saying that their is the possibilities of you being hurt and the league/associations cant be responsible.
You have already seen lacrosse take some precautions, with the new nets this year from my understanding the reason why their was new nets this past season was the CLA and I think it was the OLA got sued because the nets in a game had metal pegs in them and when a player got hit head first into the post he seriously hurt himself and that the metal pegs were something that the league needed to get rid off.
I also know of instances where players tear an ACL or MCL and it was because the turf wasn't laid down properly, and their was legal action taking.
But on the surface of an player hitting another and hurting them in this degree, how can Hockey Canada/CLA be at the fault of this. With this scenrio if the ref only gives the player a 2 min penatly it most likely not getting back to the person who is in charge of his regions right away.
The one thing I think that would help the CLA with a case like this is that it is mandatory for players to wear mouthguards, I am not sure if Hockey Canada has made that rule yet as when I played minor hockey it wasnt and that was about 8 years ago and ever since I started to play lacrosse it was mandatory to wear a mouth guard.
Posted on Nov 28, 2013, 2:39 PM from IP address 22.214.171.124
I read about this case earlier today. As could be expected, most of the online comments are gut reaction type of things, either "they are money-grubbers who knew the risk" or "good for them, hockey is a terrible sport of goons".
Unfortunately, the articles are pretty lacking in detail. We know that the young boy was injured playing hockey. We have his mother's description of what happened, and we know that he is still struggling today with symptoms that could be from that injury. I find it amazing that people on either side are so quick to jump to conclusions based on so little information.
The questions that I think need to be answered are:
1) What actually happened? It sounds vicious as described by the mother, however parents are rarely dispassionate witnesses when their child is injured. If the incident was exactly as she describes, why was it only penalized with a two minute minor? What did the coaches and other officials have to say about the incident? What about other parents? Perhaps the most amazing thing in the online comments is how most people are just taking her version at face value and assuming that the incident occurred exactly as described.
2) What led up to it? I'm not suggesting that a cross-check to the face is an appropriate response to anything, however the context is important when suggesting that a league or governing body is culpable.
3) Were the officials properly accredited, regularly evaluated, and effectively supervised? I think that this is key. So much happens in hockey at such an amazing speed, even the best officials miss infractions and blow calls. This isn't negligence, it is human fallibility. The league has an obligation, though, to ensure that officials are up to the job.
4) Did the penalized player, or his team, or his coaches have a history of suspensions/major penalties/etc.?
5) Does the league have effective rules in place to protect player safety, do officials/players/coaches understand those rules, and are they enforced to the officials' best abilities?
I detest "lawsuit culture" - too many people want to put the burden on their own decisions onto someone else's pocketbooks. That said, playing youth sports does not give someone a carte blanche to assault innocent victims. Leagues have an obligation to provide/promote a safe playing environment, and that includes appropriate sanctions against violent players who respect neither the rules nor their opponents health.
Posted on Nov 28, 2013, 2:40 PM from IP address 126.96.36.199
Stan Shillington edits all my senior A/ major series stats but I have nobody to edit the other leagues. I make mistakes like spelling, missing stats etc. Maybe now with my new eyes (thanks to cattaract surgery) I won't make as many mistakes. Thanks for the helping hand.
Posted on Nov 22, 2013, 6:55 PM from IP address 188.8.131.52
The first year in Toronto, it looked like they had a chance to grow this into something sustainable.
There were a few halfway decent crowds in BMO, and for a lacrosse fan, the team was decent, many of the top players were there, and it was a damned sight nicer place to spend a summer evening than a smelly sweatbox.
Then, I guess soccer reared its ugly head and kicked the Nationals down the road to the other stadium.
Cachet of the big league stadium gone, crowds dwindled, etc.
Then they moved to the extremities of the Hammer. They might as well have been on Mars.
I don't know what the economics were, and whether they ever could have made a go of it at BMO, but, once they were out of there, they didn't really have a prayer.
Posted on Nov 22, 2013, 12:13 AM from IP address 184.108.40.206
The houses were papered from day 1 in Toronto. Free tickets were readily available. Tough to pay the rent at BMO with no money coming in. Rugby Canada uses BMO regularly and they are much harder on the turf than lacrosse. However, they have paying fans. It's tough, but lacrosse is more fringe than rugby in Canada.
Posted on Nov 22, 2013, 3:28 PM from IP address 220.127.116.11
42,537 players in 130 clubs were registered with the OLA in 2010 () with almost 50,000 registered players this year. Thus there are about 2/3 as many lacrosse players in Ontario alone, than there are total rugby players in Canada. The last stat I saw about registered lacrosse players in Canada was a few years ago, well over 90,000, likely over 100,00 registered CLA players by now.
So tell me how "tough" it is that lacrosse is "more fringe" than rugby. There are two pro lacrosse leagues, several semi-pro leagues, junior leagues of several divisions. Not to mention that these numbers do not include the unregistered players in rec leagues and high schools.
"Rugby Canada uses BMO regularly" They do?
The only team that I saw that used BMO field from their fixture was the Sr. Men, who used it three times in 2013 http://www.rugbycanada.ca/). So comparing the National Sr. Mens Rugby Team with precisely 3 games played over a 7 month period against a team in a little regarded American field league is hardly any sort of insight, especially when the lacrosse team is at the mercy of the Toronto FC when it comes to scheduling.
BTW, with all those "paying fans," the Ontario Rugby Union still played their championships at Fletchers Fields in Markham. Maybe BMO was booked that weekend? LOL
Do your research next time before you make absurd assertions.
Posted on Nov 22, 2013, 9:25 PM from IP address 18.104.22.168
Do we really have 42,537 players in Ontario? Since MANY play both box AND field, that number is likely closer to 25,000 actual participants. We are also the biggest province in the Country for participants, so our total CLA numbers are probably only about 40,000-50,000 participants in the entire Country. Given your figures for Rugby, lacrosse is about 25,000 behind Ruby for National participation. But heck...the Festival brochure has a fancy little bar graph and it could never be misleading...could it??
In terms of fans, the Nationals have unfortunately struggled and as the poster said, many of those tickets were complimentary/free tickets, so the numbers below are still inflated, despite being low.
2009 - averaged 3,846 fans...2nd lowest in league
2010 - averaged 3,079 fans ...2nd lowest in league
2011 - averaged 1,212 fans...lowest in league
2012 - averaged 1,836 fans...lowest in league
2013 - averaged 2,147 fans...2nd lowest in league
And while you are telling people to do their research, you forget some...the Canadian National Rugby Union Team has used BMO fields since 2011. They are also using BMO field for Rugby at the Pan-Am Games in 2015 (which lacrosse is not a part of) and the largest crowd EVER at BMO fields was for a RUGBY game 3 weeks ago with an attendance of 22,566 which is also a record for any rugby match in Canada AND North America. Maybe people do support Rugby a whole lot more than we would have thought...Check out some of the other BMO field rugby match attendance numbers and it is pretty impressive actually.
Posted on Nov 22, 2013, 10:49 PM from IP address 22.214.171.124
Firstly, I provided citations to my data and all you did was make anecdotal assertions about the validity of that data. If you think that some of the data is incorrect, it is incumbent upon you to provide the evidence, otherwise your opinion is invalidated. See how that works? As it stands, the opinion that lacrosse is "more fringe" that rugby is absurd on all counts.
Let me give you an example: in my post, you completely disregarded the first link - from Stats Canada no less - about sport participation rates, which bears out with the numbers that I subsequently cited, included my opinion that lacrosse participation is much higher that rugby. Take a careful look at the table. Now, if you have a quarrel with StatsCan info, take it up with them. Until you do, it stands as proof that you are wrong.
"Using" BMO field 3 times per year, spread out over 7 months is hardly a decent comparison with a professional team in a little regarded American field league, especially when that league competes with a significantly larger amount of games from other leagues in Ontario such as Major, Senior, Junior, etc. If you want to make attendance comparisons, dig up the attendance data for the Ontario Rugby Premier league versus the Major Series. Heck dig up the Winter Rugby attendance figures versus the NLL. LOL
Posted on Nov 23, 2013, 7:51 AM from IP address 126.96.36.199
It's great that you provided actual citations but they aren't wholly reliable; the document itself says to use these statistics with caution, hinting at the fact that they may very well be inaccurate. When you consider what JB mentioned- that there are rumors the OLA double counts to show growth that may not be there- you get an even more unreliable opinion of the numbers.
Furthermore, if you look at the amount of funding each sport receives, you can clearly see who's getting the leg up:
Canadian Lacrosse Association $430,000
Canadian Rugby Union $1,505,250
Canadian Rugby Union $1,505,250
Field Hockey Canada $2,037,940
So by your calculations, whatever that may be, "you can clearly see who's getting the leg up." I mean, Sport Canada funding isn't really meaningful here. For example, Baseball Canada didn't get anything, neither did Ball Hockey Canada. Football Canada, with almost twice the members of Rugby & Lacrosse, only got $620k. How does that correlate with your calculations? Or did you forget this little tidbit from a few years ago: http://sports.nationalpost.com/2010/06/07/cra-cracks-down-on-canadian-lacrosse-association/
You can "wager a guess" all you want, but until you show the numbers, your guess is just that and completely immaterial.
"But its not just in the international arena that rugby is taking hold in this country. The club scene is also thriving in Canada, where 324 clubs cater to 73,664 registered players, although its worth noting that that total is less than one-eighth of the 617,107 registered hockey players."
I will give you this though - try and find a definitive number for the amount of registered lacrosse players in Canada. I dare you. However, even if you do, you will see that lacrosse gets the short end of the stick. While I think asserting that lacrosse is "more fringe" than rugby is absurd, if people are thinking that with the amount of players we have in Canada, it says far more about the leadership in the sport than it does about the sport itself.
Posted on Nov 23, 2013, 11:48 PM from IP address 188.8.131.52
But imvho, I think you've finally got something here. I think it says volumes that we are on here arguing whether our national summer sport is "more popular" than rugby !! I'd like to think that any loving lacrosse person should find that offensive in itself.
Here is the comment that is screaming out to me,
"While I think asserting that lacrosse is "more fringe" than rugby is absurd, if people are thinking that with the amount of players we have in Canada, it says far more about the leadership in the sport than it does about the sport itself."
Now you've got something I have a very strong opinion on. Lacrosse is the fastest growing sport for kids in the US, primarily field but box is also getting some interest. How long before Canadian kids lose their "advantage" ? My guess is if we, Canada, continue on this path, it won't be long. If we can't get the base growing, i.e. minor, then we are in a very big deep hole. We need some radical changes to get this sport growing at the grassroots, again imvho.
Posted on Nov 25, 2013, 1:37 PM from IP address 184.108.40.206
1- Move minor field to fall season and allow box to start May 1st.
2- Minor lax played by kids all of one birth year. No more two birth year age groups.
3- Change rules to ban contact before age 11 (first peewee year). Push checks still allowable.
4- Term limits for Presidents of provincial associations and Executive Directors. I say 10 years is more than enough but 5-8 is better.
5- Abolish "everyone goes" provincials for regional qualifier format. Maintain skill-rating categories but only regional winners make the final provincial tournament.
Posted on Nov 26, 2013, 3:09 PM from IP address 220.127.116.11
All of these suggestions are completely sensible and warrant careful and serious study. Thus they do not qualify as 'radical.' Not even potentially.
Here I was thinking you would suggest renaming the face-off to 'scrum' in order to ride the coattails of the soaring popularity of rugby. Or institute a 'flooring' rule, similar to icing the puck in ice hockey, but call it 'flooring the ball,' you know, because of the floor. Or, and this is truly radical since it would be following what they are doing in curling: have Ron Burgundy join Ron Messer in calling a Redmen game. They could advertise it as 'The Two Ronnies.' (Sorry Gary)
Posted on Nov 26, 2013, 6:55 PM from IP address 18.104.22.168
1- Abolish annual ratings. Associations declare as A, B, C etc and stick to that through thick and thin. No need for annual ratings. You know what you will be.
2- Abolish extra Rep teams. 1 team per association only. Everyone else plays HL. Could make select teams that travel to tournaments vs other select teams but no provincials.
3- Kill the Lax Festival. It's lots of fun. It's massive in size (such that all of Durham Region plus Clarington now host games) but it is entirely non-inclusive. Make it smaller so that it can move to other areas of the province.
4- End the Whitby monopoly for Minor Nats. IPA is a great facility but tell me that Team O vs Iroquois Midget Gold Medal game would not have been better played at the ILA? Would kids from Nova Scotia, Quebec, Manitoba and the like not get a better idea of the spirit of the game from the actual heartland of the game?
Posted on Nov 27, 2013, 9:49 AM from IP address 22.214.171.124
Sam - The problem with items 1/2 is that the number of players varies so significantly from centre-to-centre. How many registered players are there in Stayner versus Whitby? It doesn't grow the game at all to suggest that players in lacrosse hotbeds shouldn't ever get to play rep, whereas those in tiny locations can essentially just walk on to the floor and have a spot. More to the point, why should an elite player be stuck playing D lacrosse his whole life and, conversely, why should a perfectly decent B or C level kid be in house league?
The solution, in my opinion, is to allow players to play at the highest level possible (as with AAA hockey). Maybe base the locations on Jr A / B / C centres and go from there.
What do you think?
Posted on Nov 28, 2013, 3:41 PM from IP address 126.96.36.199
Jim....I see no real argument for eliminating all the superfluous rep teams other than "we've always done it this way".
Plenty of sports in Ontario have huge disparities in enrollment from one association to another and yet the kids who do not make a rep team happily play house league and select. We've taken the meaning of rep team and bastardized it to seem more "inclusive". All it means is we have taken hundreds of house leaguers and called them Team 2,3 or 7 to make them feel better.
If you split the two year age groups apart and run only 1 team per association then we eliminate really only the glorified house league teams and placed them where they properly belong....in the hometown house league.
We have neglected our house leagues for far too long. We need to spend more time on teaching kids the positives of our sport and team building and less time sending them to a Lacrosse Festival that is packed more than a WalMart on Black Friday. They will not get less out of the experience....they will get more out of it.
Posted on Nov 29, 2013, 10:05 AM from IP address 188.8.131.52
Thanks for the response. I agree with much of what you say, except that many "1" teams are less than house league level, whereas teams like Whitby 2, Clarington 2, etc. are very highly skilled squads. Certainly, a team like Oakville 2 could defeat the majority of 1 teams in the province.
I totally agree that going to single year groupings would be a great step forward and eliminate the need/supply for many 2 teams.
The other problem with eliminating 2 teams in mid-sized centres, especially at the Peewee and Bantam age groups, is that those centres can't support actual house league programs. If the kids aren't on a house league level 2 team, they aren't playing lacrosse. Do we really want to drive kids away from the sport? I coached a PW2 team a few years ago that was created exactly under such circumstances. It included several new players who likely would not have come back to the sport if they weren't playing lacrosse that season. One boy is developing into an elite level talent who will probably play Jr A. Another was captain of his Bantam 1 team this summer, and at least 4 others made the jump to the 1 team within two seasons. Of those six kids, there are only 2 who I expect would have stayed involved after a summer of no lacrosse.
Of course, this could be solved by having "local league" programs (much like smaller hockey associations have), but the OLA doesn't seem to have any interest in getting behind such a plan.
Again, I really think that evolving past the idea of "you play where you live" is the key step needed to move forward. Allowing players to play at their skill level (within appropriate areas) would solve 90% of the problems.
Posted on Nov 30, 2013, 12:52 PM from IP address 184.108.40.206
maybe not so much...
1 - a number of centres want to play at as high a level as possible, as it should be, but they aren't all A calibre, conversely a number of centres just want to win but they all can't play C or even E
2 - limiting associations to only one rep team seriously cuts out a ton of kids from playing lacrosse beyond house league, that is just wrong
3 - on what map is Clarington not part of Durham Region?....aside from that little boo boo I agree, make it a bit smaller or break it into segments and let everyone have a shot at it...it is a ton of work but there are associations that have great people that would do it and do it well....and there are some really great facilities around the province as well....ILA might even be one of them
4 - Another thing that should be moved around, coaches should be changed on an annual basis so more kids from more centres have a chance to make the team(s)....and who made Brantford/Six Nations the heartland of Lacrosse lol...everyone knows it's Whitby....or maybe Orangeville....well actually could be Peterborough or Brampton or Sarnia or Owen Sound....I'm really not old enough to know where it all started to be honest....you might just be right on that one...
Posted on Nov 29, 2013, 10:15 AM from IP address 220.127.116.11
Points 1 and 2 would be perfectly fine if we did a split of the two year in each age group. So Minor Bantam and Major bantam would be separate levels and would have their own A, B and C levels.
What is wrong with kids playing house league? No place does it state that kids MUST play Rep or their Lacrosse experience isn't valid or real. Anything below C1 is basically house league level anyway so let's stop glorifying it as D, E or F Rep and just let them have fun and stay home to play their games.
Judging by 2013 final ratings, the C level is pretty much populated with the small town associations already and the D, E and F are filled with third teams or second teams from small associations.
nothing wrong with kids playing house league, that is great that is where it all starts and that should be the focus of any association but more and more kids want to play beyond the end of the school year...what are they going to do?
Posted on Nov 29, 2013, 11:17 AM from IP address 18.104.22.168
This is where more focus can be dedicated to house leagues, allowing them to extend beyond the confines of late June.
I think that a good alternative to Sam's suggestion is to allow associations to enter whichever teams they see fit but with the clear expectation that they must fit into the A, B or C categories. I think Sam is correct in saying that these D, E and F levels are essentially endorsing mediocrity while calling it Rep lacrosse. You do end up encountering some problems with this as some players in these perennial D centers are standouts but there are ways around that.
Posted on Nov 29, 2013, 2:52 PM from IP address 22.214.171.124
Is that the two and three teams from smaller centers are only playing rep because there are not enough kids in their center to form a strong house league system to actually foster their growth and experience in the sport. There are many HL systems that consist of only two teams or have two age groups combined just to have the numbers to run(IE Peewee and Bantam playing together). I know that has been the situation in Clarington in the midget and Bantam age groups the last few seasons(while only having 2 Rep teams in each age group, with the first playing in the A division). Im sure more focus would help grow the house league system but the lack of numbers will always be an issue for the majority of centers in the province, and no I dont think you can attribute that to the lack of work being done by any association including the OLA.
So really by eliminating the lower levels of rep lacrosse you are telling little Sam and Shane from Midland, Kingston and Wallaceburg that unfortunately because someone from Oakville, Whitby, or Orangevile values a closer parking spot to IPA they cannot play lacrosse. If you don't enjoy D,E, or F lacrosse then don't watch it, but don't tell a kid he can't play because you view his level of competition as glorified house league. If you want to improve the level of lacrosse in A,B,and C then improve the rating system and stop letting teams abuse it and punish those who do so annually. You will not do it by Culling the lower the divisions.
Combining the six current divisions into three is a great idea in thought by logistically how would that work? Stayner gets pumped by Orangeville 2 21-0, afterwhich 4 families from Stayner decide to not bother wasting their time with the sport anymore. Who could blame them, drive all the way to Whitby, get a hotel, have to feed themselves, all just to get demolished in 2 games by a much stronger opponent. It already happens in junior lacrosse, lots of teams regularly show up with 9 runners and a goalie, its one of the few consistencies of Jr.C. How would a tournament of 48 teams work? I remember playing 8 or 9 games a weekend to make it to the finals when there were 4 divisions, that is alot of lacrosse for a nine year old.
So how exactly is having too many rep teams playing in this province a bad thing?
Posted on Nov 29, 2013, 5:34 PM from IP address 126.96.36.199
You are obviously a Minor Veteran perhaps you might consider standing up at an AGM and say the same things. I dont have any association with Minor Lacrosse so I cant speak on the subject . It sounds as though some fixing needs to be done to ensure the longevity of Lacrosse for all areas and social strata. Perhaps a "Summit" is needed the same as Hockey did a few years back in order to streamline the game.
Posted on Nov 30, 2013, 8:36 AM from IP address 188.8.131.52
Items one and two definitely qualify as radical. They also make no sense. These suggestions once again are great for larger centres but would be very harmful for smaller centres who only have enough player for one or two teams. Not much fun playing in a one or two team house league. Also from year to year they gain and lose players so from year to year they may not know how competitive they might be. On items three and four you have good points. Whitby should be congratulated for having a very strong program but the wealth needs to be shared and other organizations should be able to host provincial events to show that they belong.
Posted on Nov 30, 2013, 11:49 PM from IP address 184.108.40.206
The OLA does not get everything right but one year age groups will not work in many smaller organizations. They need two years of kids to field a team. This might work in Whitby, Orangeville or Oakville but will kill programs in other centres. Banning contact prior to peewee also makes no sense. Lacrosse is way down the list on serious injuries per capita (an old survey had it equivalent to bowling!) We are not hockey! Who is going to run all the regionals. Sam you are talking like an OMHA executive.
Posted on Nov 30, 2013, 11:40 PM from IP address 220.127.116.11
If you have Major and Minor divisions in rep and a centre does not have enough players for either division, they would be able to combine, at the higher division. How does hockey deal with this issue in smaller communities? As for small, two-team house leagues, the entire concept of 'association house league' can be re-thought. In fact, a couple of years ago Whitby and Clarington combined their Intermediate house league teams and it worked out. Its neither unheard of nor impossible.
I think that Sam stated that push checks would still be allowed in Peewee, but he is talking open floor hits, or body checking against the boards. The concept is not about injuries, although that would play into it, the concept is about becoming expert at stick skills and how to play the game.
Posted on Dec 1, 2013, 2:19 PM from IP address 18.104.22.168
Your assumptions regarding injuries in lacrosse (if ever accurate to begin with) are quite out of date, particularly in regards to concussions.
Is lacrosse safer than hockey or football? Yes, absolutely. There are countless studies, however, that show injury rates in lacrosse (especially head injuries) are much higher than in sports like basketball, baseball, volleyball, soccer, etc.
Canadian data is fairly limited, but in terms of NCAA sports, only football and hockey have higher per capita overall injury rates than lacrosse. I can't find the old survey that you've mentioned - just other people who claim that a 2004 Health Canada survey called lacrosse low risk.
Lacrosse has comparable per capita numbers to hockey and wrestling in terms of head injuries. Obviously, given the difference in participation rates here, hockey accounts for a much larger percentage of total head injuries in Canada, however the actual ratio of concussions-to-players are almost identical. Both sports trail way behind football, but they have a quite high rate of concussions compared to other sports. As sort of an odd aside, girls soccer is actually quite risky in terms of head injuries (much more so than boys soccer).
I love lacrosse and have three children who play the game (one of whom suffered a serious lacrosse injury and still isn't cleared to play after six months). There is absolutely a higher risk of injury in our game than with most other sports, though, and to suggest that it is akin to bowling in terms of injuries is quite ridiculous. Pretending that those risks do not exist does nothing to grow the game.
Posted on Dec 3, 2013, 10:19 AM from IP address 22.214.171.124
I went digging for that Stats Can sport injury list, it is on this forum somewhere. I also recall it being saved on some association site as well, but I couldn't come up with it.
But if there is data of countless studies, I would like to see it. Certainly concussions exist in lacrosse and efforts must be made to address the issue, but making rash decisions based on hockey or football stats might not be the best approach for lacrosse.
One interesting study I would like to see is the comparison of concussion per helmet type: the field or hockey type. To see if there is any difference.
Posted on Dec 4, 2013, 3:20 PM from IP address 126.96.36.199
I think everyone is overlooking one simple thing and that is that communities change...like the problem with too many or not enough schools as communities go from having many kids to having none...there is a gap of roughly ten years before the kids start to show up....but here is a thought, pass on the passion....as you and your lovely and talentented wife have given of yourselves to the game, even as your boys have outgrown being players, you would hope that they will embrace it in the same manner as they start their families...or even before....I see it in my son as he continues to be a part of the game long after I have stopped being an active volunteer and he has stopped playing...that is what will keep it going...not sure that will initiate growth though...one other thing is people need to stop worrying about how much more money someone else is taking from the game than they are, it is not that important....what is important is that people keep on doing what needs to be done so that kids can play....contrary to popular belief...@#$t doesn't just happen, someone makes it happen....cheers
Posted on Nov 27, 2013, 9:25 AM from IP address 188.8.131.52
LJ you make a great point in that people shouldn't concern themselves with those who profit form lacrosse ventures. Few do, or at least express it, aside from Ron Messer. What Ron fails to see is that these people put together business operations driven by the sport. No one is forced to take part, but rather they choose too. Granted it applies to those who have that sort of disposable income but that is the nature of the beast. Extending the Ronnie Messer logic, specialty clothing stores should not exist because not everyone can afford what they sell. Come on. Those less fortunate can play minor lacrosse in their local association. Dont discourage possibilities for those who seek that advancement. It takes planning and time to have these recruiting teams operate so why shouldnt those involved receive some compensation. I would fathom that Ron has no idea what those involved are making so his general, weekly rants, about this topic are often just an excuse to dispel hot air. The best part is these business organizations is that they deliver. Players are getting NCAA opportunities because of the hard work of these business people. I laugh whenever Ron comes on here and complains about the mighty dollar. Wasn't too long ago he wanted money from the GG for playing music, etc. Oh right, it costs money to drive to a game and play music. I get it! Running a recruiting lacrosse company does too and the players pick up that cost because they seem the opportunities that come with it. No ones hand is forced. Sure social pressure exists but its a choice at the end of the day. I haven't seen an advertisement for a company yet that says "play with the elitists or you will never go south of the border!" He doesn't get it. He complains that the CLA wants to run a webcast, well why wouldn't they after watching him call a game. I am tired of his blue collar rants. As clueless as they come.
Posted on Nov 27, 2013, 7:06 PM from IP address 184.108.40.206
And I am tired of nameless cowards that choose not to post thier names. You seem to know a lot about my private affairs Ie: your Green Gales comments ,why not just email me or call me ? As for your slight about my ability to call a game? step up, Rogers and Cogeco are always looking for people. I am having fun, oh yeah and I get paid too !!!! Come on out to a game and stand beside me and try not to **** your pants when the Red lights goes on the Camera and the man tells you to start talking.
Posted on Nov 27, 2013, 7:21 PM from IP address 220.127.116.11
Your ability to present a rational and reasonable position seems to be belayed by your requirement to drag someone else into your argument and try to score points by misconstruing what they are saying - putting words into their mouths, so to speak. Furthermore, you do this while hiding behind an anonymous screen name. You must at least respect the fact that Ron Messer isn't afraid to attach is name to his ideas, even as radical, blue collar or clueless as they may seem to you.
John, above, is able to express similar ideas, but without using someone else as a prop. Perhaps your position might be better served if you stick to attacking the ideas and leaving the personalities out of it. You know, be nice.
Otherwise, when you decide to mention other persons in your posts, you may wish to sign off with your real name for legitimacy purposes and allow them a fair and even rebuttal on the same terms.
Posted on Nov 27, 2013, 7:40 PM from IP address 18.104.22.168
Rugby Canada drew over 20,000 to BMO last month (sell out crowd) for an exhibition game. The Nationals haven't had that many paying fans in the last five years. How many lacrosse games at BMO in the last seven months - 0. Your vaunted pro lacrosse league - on it's last legs as well. Rosters cut by 10% and a salary cap in place at $400,000. The finals of the lacrosse WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP in London in 2006 did not draw close to that. That's fringe by definition. Vancouver will be done after this year or next playing in a 4,000 seat facility and Calgary, Edmonton and Minnesota are all on death watch. How long is Curt Styres prepared to lose wheelbarrows full of money in Rochester. Philadelphia Wings players have to drive to Buffalo, fly to Newark, drive to Philly for practice, fly to Seattle and drive to Everett for a game and then do the same to return to Toronto. Fringe!
And what's wrong with Fletcher's Fields with a stadium seating about 10,0000 compared to outstanding venues like Iroquois Park or the Toronto Rock practice facility? Outside of Peterbrorough it's a friends and family crowd at "semi-pro" MSL games.
Minor registration numbers mean nothing in this regard when leagues featuring the best players in the world are struggling to find an audience. Further, minor registration numbers mean notthing when talking about whether or not a sport is fringe with the mainstream sports audience.
Posted on Nov 23, 2013, 12:33 AM from IP address 22.214.171.124
You provide no data, just opinion, where I have provided links to the numbers. Rugby doesn't even come close to the same attendance figures as lacrosse in Canada or North America. If you can prove that it does, show us the citations, the links, the data. You can't, so it stands that you don't know what you are talking about.
Compare Ontario Premier League attendance with the MSL. Show us the links to the data. Heck, even show us the professional rugby leagues attendance compared to the dismal MLL attendance. Anything.
New for 2014, we are proud to announce the addition of girls divisions to the JR CLAX program.
Fully insured and playing out of state-of-the-art venues, Girls CLAX provides young women the opportunity to develop their lacrosse skills during the winter season. The season operates from mid-February to the second week of April. Each registered player receives the opportunity to play a minimum of 8 games, an official Pro Style game jersey and shorts, name bar, insurance, and a CLAX season pass to get into all CLAX pro games for free! Each team plays 2 games per day for a total of 8 games. All teams in the same division play on the same day, and the majority of games are on Saturdays & Sundays. The top teams in each age group play in the CLAX Final Four Festival Weekend (April 12-13).
Registration before November 30th is only $200 all in for the girls divisions!
Come on out to Scarborough's Leacock Arena this Sunday November 24th at 1PM to participate in our first ever Girls CLAX lacrosse clinic. Floor time is free for registered players and $10 for those who have not yet registered. This is a great opportunity for girls field and box players to sharpen their skills over the winter!
For more information, please e-mail us at firstname.lastname@example.org or visit our website (www.canadianlacrosseleague.ca).
Please spread the word about this exciting new opportunity for female players!
Posted on Nov 20, 2013, 12:48 PM from IP address 126.96.36.199
The London Blue Devils Junior B team are seeking a General Manager. Great opportunity for an experienced lacrosse volunteer to manage the highly respected Junior program. Please complete the application form at www.bluedevilslacrosse.com and/or contact Blair Wetzel at 226-448-2955 email: email@example.com
Posted on Nov 15, 2013, 2:14 PM from IP address 188.8.131.52
If the whole league was folding, why bother announcing that one franchise wouldn't be returning? You'd only bother making such an announcement if you intended to have a 2014 season (especially as the owner of the Ironmen still owns the Demons).
Posted on Nov 14, 2013, 4:15 PM from IP address 184.108.40.206
http://www.ilindoor.com/" as another player takes the step from CLAX to the NLL. Who is going to be next. The CLAX league has certainly done a fine job of providing the stepping stone for young players to continue their career. Without that league in the winter a lot of players may never have been discovered. It doesn't hurt that Colin also played on both the Mann Cup winning Six Nations Chiefs and the President's Cup winning St.Catharines Saints. Congratulations Colin and to CLAX for being there when it was needed. Oh yeah, you too Steven for writing such an interesting story.
Posted on Nov 14, 2013, 11:45 AM from IP address 220.127.116.11
Guelph Jr. B Regals are now accepting resumes for: General Manager, Head Coach, Assistant Coach, Athletic Therapist and Equipment Manager for the upcoming lacrosse season. Please forward all resumes to firstname.lastname@example.org on or before November 30, 2013. Please note: Head Coach and Assistant Coach positions require previous lacrosse coaching experience and all necessary coaching certifications.
Posted on Nov 10, 2013, 12:33 PM from IP address 18.104.22.168
Anyone interested in applying for a volunteer head coaching position with the Windsor Clippers Junior B Lacrosse team is to submit a complete resume with letters of reference to the Greater Windsor Lacrosse Club post office box or e-mail to email@example.com Details regarding qualifications can be found on the Clippers web site athttp://www.windsorclippers.com
Posted on Nov 5, 2013, 7:41 PM from IP address 22.214.171.124
The KW Jr A Braves will be holding their Annual General Meeting on:
Wednesday, November 13, 2013 at 7:00pm
Activa Sportsplex - Murray Fried Room, 135 Lennox Lewis Way Kitchener
Everyone with an interest in Junior A Lacrosse in Kitchener-Waterloo is welcome. Only members in good standing will be eligible to vote.
The KW Junior A Braves Lacrosse Club is always looking for hard working people to become involved on our Board and/or in the day-to-day club operations.
Positions up for election:
1st Vice President
Marketing and Sponsorship
Go to www.kwbraveslacrosse.com for more details.
Posted on Nov 5, 2013, 6:04 AM from IP address 126.96.36.199
In updating the top 50 all-time scorers in O.L.A. Junior B, but thanks to Gord Neely Sr. I just got most of the goals, assists and points for a number of players in the 1983 Founder's Cup. Paul Brock, Todd Stark, Mike Hart, Mark McGugan and Armando Rodriques all of the Point Edward Pacers managed to add to their totals for the all-time top 50 players
Posted on Nov 4, 2013, 3:05 PM from IP address 188.8.131.52
With a great deal of trouble all the Can/Am Senior B stats have been updated. The Can/Am web site that I used for updating were missing several playoff games between Onondaga and Newtown so I never enterred any playoff stats for either of those teams except for the President's Cup stats http://wampsbibleoflacrosse.com/newstats/canambyseason.html"
Here included is the latest stats I have for this past 2013 season, also a cross-foot of 51 players profiles who played in the league this past season and also the updated lifetime scoring for all the different categories, goals, assists and points. Another problem I found with quite a few of the players is when they added the goals and assists together they didn't add to that they had for the points. I did the best that I could do just taking the goals and assists and enterring the points as close to what I hope they should actually be.
If anyone out there has dates of birth, height, weight and which way the players shoot for any member of the league please let me know so I can put together Player Profiles for any players who are missing.
Posted on Nov 3, 2013, 1:14 PM from IP address 184.108.40.206
The 2013 Junior CLax open house and clinics start Sunday November 3rd at Stephen Leacock Arena in Scarborough and continue every Sunday. Potential Junior CLax players can come, register and take advantage of the open floor. If our numbers are strong we will operate an on floor clinic. Cost to participate for non-registered players is $10 per hour.
The times are as follows:
Sunday November 3rd
1pm 3pm U9 and U12
3pm 5pm Bantam, Midget and Prospects
Sunday November 10th
1pm 2:30pm U9 and U12
2:30 - 4pm Bantam and Midget
4pm 5pm Prospects
Posted on Oct 29, 2013, 2:09 PM from IP address 220.127.116.11
Is it time for these leagues to start looking at the fact there are teams that just dont have the skill level within their minor organizations to field a competitive team year in and year out? Do people feel that the league is more stable because there are more teams rather than looking at how competitive each team is on the floor?
Lets take the far west division as an example (just because this is where Im most familiar)
Windsor, London, Sarnia, Wallaceburg.
Late 90s and early 2000s Sarnia was part of the Cream of the Crop in all of Jr B. Why? Because there was no London, Wallaceburg or Windsor Jr teams. Sarnia had had players from all these centers playing for them which produced a high caliber team. When Wallaceburg won the founders cup did they do it with just wallaceburg players? No, it was won with players from all 4 centers. Now there is a point to be argued that each team individually has had some success on their own every once in a while, but no one can argue that game in game out, year in year out each of these teams is a threat to the Top Echelon teams. I think the same analogy can be made for many of the divisions. Look at Spartan, Welland, Niagara, Hamilton, Back in the late 90s early 2000s Spartan had tremendous success because they drew from these different centers.
Now Im not here trying to say that there should be a sweeping change made and teams should fold, all Im trying to start is a conversation on what people think we can do as a lacrosse community to continue to make our sport the best it can be. I cant imagine the image of lacrosse in Sarnia can be very good right now with a Jr team not winning more than a game or two for the last 10 years.
If I continue with my zone 7 example here is what I think could be a solution:
There is no need for 4 Jr teams. This zone should have 1 Jr A team, 1 Jr B team and 1 Jr C team. Keep the Jr A team in London where they are close enough to the golden horseshoe to entice some players to come and play, give wallaceburg the Jr B team as it is in the middle of London, Sarnia and Windsor and give either Sarnia or Windsor a Jr C team. This will produce a good feeder team for the Sr B Beavers as well as helping grow lacrosse in these communities by having high caliber teams young kids strive to be a part of.
Just a thought anyone have any other points??
Posted on Oct 29, 2013, 2:48 PM from IP address 18.104.22.168
As I've reffed the past few seasons I can say, the clinic information is usually announced at the start of the calendar year. For example, the 2013 clinics were announced in January 2013 through your association's website.
For Ontario it is branched off the OLA site (ontariolacrosse.com/page/referee) which then links to OLRA (ontariolacrosseofficials.ca). I assume (but can't be sure) all associations work the same way.
The actual education itself is a 1 day course (~6 hours?) comprised of in-class instruction (situations, positioning, rules, etc). It concludes with a multiple-choice test which must be passed to be issued an official's card. In Canada, this card is good to officiate anywhere in Canada regardless of where the course is taken (since the course is the same across the board).
Hope this helps. There are others who are officials and clinicians who would know more.
Posted on Nov 14, 2013, 11:46 PM from IP address 22.214.171.124
***DURHAM MASTERS LACROSSE LEAGUE- DMLL WINTER LACROSSE PROGRAM 2014 ****
WINTER LACROSSE Registration will be on THURSDAY NOVEMBER 21 & NOVEMBER 28
from 730 pm to 10 pm at the OSHAWA CIVIC FIELDHOUSE
The 2014 season starts Thursday JAN 2 2014 .The league is opened to players aged 15 yrs and up. This recreational lacrosse league is non-contact and follows Masters Lacrosse Rules.
For further info visit www.dmlllax.ca
Posted on Oct 26, 2013, 11:30 AM from IP address 126.96.36.199
Thanks Drawman I owe you a beer . Skilled trades persons are held to a much higher standard these days . technology has forced Unions and skilled trade organistaions to demand that the average worker posess a more "multi platform" set of skills ie: specialise in one area but be ready to understand other disciplines readily. I know I go on about the lack of recognition , it comes from 43 years of being involved in some amazing projects while making a very good living. It is my intent to inform Minor sports families with no connection to the trades that, the Carrot held up by NCAA recruitment camps aand organisations is not the only route to sucess in later life. While i do not endorse any group this link is just one of many to be found online . May I also suggest local community college as wellhttp://thecentre.on.ca/the-future-is-wide-open-for-skilled-trades-graduates/
Posted on Oct 27, 2013, 8:41 AM from IP address 188.8.131.52
Back when Ron, and a lot of us played, we weren't distracted by scholarships because they weren't a very big part of the game. That's not to say that we didn't go on to further education or go into the trades ... we did. We played for fun and got on with our lives. Playing hard was just what you did.
Posted on Oct 25, 2013, 8:59 PM from IP address 184.108.40.206
I believe that you're missing a few rounds of the playoffs.
Hamilton defeated Shelburne 3 games to 1 in the first round.
Hamilton defeated Caledon 3 games to 2 in the second.
Halton defeated Wilmot 3 games to 0 in the second.
Halton defeated Hamilton 2 games to 0 in the third.
Posted on Oct 24, 2013, 6:32 PM from IP address 220.127.116.11
"For Pierre Filion, Director of the Quebec Lacrosse Federation, This is an opportunity for the public to discover our sport. The federation is involved in the presentation of this event because we believe it will contribute positively to the growth of Lacrosse in Quebec and to the eventual return of a professional lacrosse franchise in Montreal."
Any recognized national team will be under the umbrella of the CLA.
Posted on Oct 15, 2013, 6:19 PM from IP address 18.104.22.168
The CLA is cooperating with the NLL in order to facilitate the return of Pro Lacrosse to Montreal? The last time I looked the NLL prefers not to recognise the fact that the CLA exists ( Lewis Ratcliffe suspension a CLA problem) . The NLL doesnt recognise any Canadian Lacrosse rules concerning eligibility or amatuer status. It employs Canadian Jr and Sr Amatuer players thereby ruining their amatuer status and making them ineligible for the Olympics ( a CLA pie in the sky reason for changing some of our domestic Lacrosse rules ie: fighting). Ok who is making money on this one guys ???? Do you think all those players will show up in Montreal for nothing ?? If the promoter ends up losing money ( unless he gets a great house I can alsmost guarentee it) who ends up covering the loss ? the CLA and the families that pay memebership fees for their kids each year? Just asking as this seems like an unusual promotion.
Posted on Oct 17, 2013, 12:25 PM from IP address 22.214.171.124
Dean French is the Chairman of Team Canada lacrosse. In the article he speaks of the return of Pro Lacrosse to Montreal. Dean also sits on the board of 3d lacrosse a huge USA based lacrosse camp and NCAA recruiting company. Once again I ask publically who is funding this event ? and is it insured against loss in the event the break even point isnt satisfied? so the CLA isnt stuck with the bill.
Posted on Oct 17, 2013, 12:44 PM from IP address 126.96.36.199
I personally think it's a great idea. Everyone wants the NLL to expand, well the only way for it to expand is for the product to get out there. A game between Team Canada and Team Iroquois which will feature arguably all the current top players in the world is a great way to showcase the talent in the league. If a game like this is a complete bust in Montreal, yes someone will suffer financially, but it would show Montreal is not capable of supporting a NLL franchise.
I'd personally love to see a 3 or 4 team mini tournament each year between Team Canada, Team USA, Team Iroquois and one of England, Scotland, Australia or the Czech Republic. Have the games spread out in cities where there is interest in an NLL team. Have the Iroquois play one game in Syracuse and one in Montreal, have Team Canada play a game in Ottawa an one Halifax or Winnipeg, have team USA play a game in Chicago an a game in Detroit. Obviously more logistics would have to be worked out, but in theory I feel like it would be a pretty interesting idea. Then have the Finals in Colorado, Buffalo or Toronto depending on who the top team is ?
Posted on Oct 17, 2013, 5:33 PM from IP address 188.8.131.52
I think a good city for a NLL team would be Winnipeg. You got a decent population base with some lacrosse knowledge, little competition, other than the Jets and Moose, an International airport, you are situated in the middle of the country so you are half way to all the other NLL cities;therefore, travel cost should be less and really what else is there to do there in the winter.
I know you can drive to Brandon and watch the Wheat Kings too.
Posted on Oct 17, 2013, 6:29 PM from IP address 184.108.40.206
I've always thought Winnipeg would be a great fit. I've only been there a couple of times, but I was impressed by how important sports teams are to the city. And it isn't just the Jets and Blue Bombers. Their independent league baseball is really well supported too.
In my glass-half-full view, with the NLL there, lacrosse in Manitoba would boom. It's not like they'd be starting from scratch. They have a building, a decent population base, and a grassroots lacrosse community to use as the foundation of a fanbase.
And, adding another CDN team to the league would make the NLL all the more appealing to TSN or Sportsnet.
Posted on Oct 18, 2013, 10:31 AM from IP address 220.127.116.11
A press release on a company site called ROOTHS SPORTS says that in cooperation with the CLA and Lacrosse Quebec they will be managing the event. I guess I will have to attend the CLA Annual General Meeting and ask some questions. I would like to know how much money the CLA is earmarking for this event. Oh Yeah and who is going to be on the teams ? Will the fans get the real deal or a watered down version?
Posted on Oct 17, 2013, 9:53 PM from IP address 18.104.22.168
I've been keeping track of the Can/Am Senior B lacrosse league for quite a number of seasons now
http://wampsbibleoflacrosse.com/newstats/canambyseason.html" and wish to update their stats from 2013. Unfortunetly, the stats on the web site are not totally up to date (looking at the Printup's one with over 100 points and the other Printup with over 80). When I look at the team stats they are different when I look at the top scorers from the individual teams. If someone could please provide me with the final stats either by snail mail or by email I can update these stats and put them up on the BIBLE. If nobody can provide me with these then I intend to just not include them anymore on the BIBLE, so please, somebody out there kindly provide me with those stats. I would hate to see the work from the previous years that I've done go down the tubes. I can be reached at firstname.lastname@example.org. Any help would be kindly appreciated.
Posted on Oct 14, 2013, 12:50 PM from IP address 22.214.171.124
Right off the bat when I go to put together the team stats for Newtown Golden Hawks the second player on their team list has Brian Stevens with 7 goals and 25 assists for 27 points. Whoever is doing the stats has this all screwed up, 7 goals and 25 assists should be 32 points not 27 points. There could be others and rather than recording inproper stats I am not going to bother taking the time.
Posted on Oct 25, 2013, 2:58 PM from IP address 126.96.36.199
Many years ago Canadas most storied field lacrosse program The Oshawa Blue Knights
sponsored a local community program that provided kids an opportunity to play during the fall months in Oshawa. BKLax.ca will now provide the Durham region with fall and winter field lacrosse training and game play. Our new elite level lacrosse mentors have developed a program that will teach and train field lacrosse specific skills to players from age 4 -17 at state-of-the-art, indoor, City of Oshawa facilities.
The Blue Knights House League Field Lacrosse Program will begin in November 7. Divided into 2 sessions, we will be on the field on Thursday nights with holiday breaks until the end of February.
This is a non- checking, insured, co-ed program that focuses on enjoyment, fitness and skills development for all kids who want to play the game. It is open to all. Our age groups (numbers permitting) are U7, U9, U11, U13, U17. Each session will be limited to 100 participants on a first come first serve basis. Visit our website for online registration and further details!www.bklax.ca
Please note this is a program independent of the Oshawa Minor Lacrosse Association.
If you require further information, please feel free to contact me. Hope to see you on the field!
Posted on Oct 14, 2013, 11:41 AM from IP address 188.8.131.52