If you make a donation to the Canadian Breast Cancer
Foundation, please mention "lacrosse" in a note with
the donation. At my request, in memory of my wife
Brenda, the CBCF will then direct the funds to a
facility seeking a "cure", rather than a "control".
CUFLA Founders Minto Presidents Mann
Cup Cup Cup Cup
Guelph Six Nations Orangeville Owen Sound Brampton
Gryphons Rebels Jr 'A' Northmen Woodsmen Excelsiors
TORONTO ROCK ANNOUNCE 2010 ROSTER
12 new faces suit up for the Rock in 2010 as part of 23-man active roster
TORONTO The Toronto Rock Lacrosse Club has announced their final roster for the upcoming 2010 National Lacrosse League (NLL) season today. The 23-man active roster will dress 12 new players, with 11 names returning from the 2009 season.
Fans will see the hardest working team out there, said Toronto Rock head coach Troy Cordingley about his final roster. It is all about consistency and the work ethic of each player; if you have that down, success follows.
Beside the 2009 NLL Coach of the Year on the bench this season will be general manager and assistant coach Terry Sanderson and assistant coaches John Lovell and Matt Sawyer.
Toronto will look to their newest acquisition, Colin Doyle, for an offensive push this season. Doyle led the League in points in 2009, accumulating 111 with the San Jose Stealth.
He will add instant leadership, said Cordingley of Doyle. He is a really good player who has won at every level.
Blaine Manning, Kasey Beirnes and Josh Wasson return from the 2009 offence. Mike Hominuck, formerly of the Edmonton Rush, has been added along with first round entry draft picks Garrett Billings (6th overall) and Stephan Leblanc (11th overall).
Kim Squire, who played for Toronto from their inaugural season in 1999 till 2003, returns to the Rock roster again, signed as a free agent in December 2009.
Kim is a feisty offensive player that will to do whatever it takes to succeed, said Cordingley. He and Colin worked great together and won championships, were happy to reunite that magic.
The Rock defence will again showcase Jeff Gilbert, Mike Hobbins, Rob Marshall, Cam Woods, Scott Campbell and Stephen Hoar.
Ive brought in a new defensive system that goes against what most have been taught, but theyve picked it up real well, comments Cordingley. It fits the style of players that we have; were big on the back end, very athletic and strong.
Other faces familiar to Toronto fans are Phil Sanderson and Sandy Chapman. Both return to the Rock this season to lead the defence with help from ex-Buffalo Bandit Pat McCready.
We will be depending on these guys on our defence. They are veteran leaders and each has an unbelievable work ethic, said Cordingley.
Entry draftee Anthony Lackey (43rd overall) and free agents Drew Petkoff, Creighton Reid and Brendon Doran round out Torontos defensive end.
In net, the Rock suit up the tag team of Bob Watson and Steve Dietrich.
Cordingley is very happy with his goaltending for the season. We have two of the best goalies to ever play in the NLL, he comments. Both have come to camp in the right mind set and in very good shape. It is a nice feeling as a coach to be able to depend on both your goalies.
2010 TORONTO ROCK ROSTER
No.
Name
Position
4
Jeff Gilbert
Defence
5
Sandy Chapman
Defence
7
Colin Doyle
Forward
8
Creighton Reid
Defence
9
Brendon Doran
Defence
10
Pat McCready
Defence
11
Mike Hobbins
Defence
12
Anthony Lackey
Defence
13
Garrett Billings
Forward
14
Rob Marshall
Defence
16
Blaine Manning
Forward
17
Stephan Leblanc
Forward
18
Phil Sanderson
Defence
22
Cam Woods
Defence
23
Josh Wasson
Forward
29
Bob Watson
Goalie
30
Steve Dietrich
Goalie
33
Kasey Beirnes
Forward
37
Scott Campbell
Defence
44
Stephen Hoar
Defence
56
Drew Petkoff
Defence
90
Mike Hominuck
Forward
93
Kim Squire
Forward
They are all hungry, said Cordingley of his team. We wanted to change the culture and it all starts with them. Each player has come to camp in unbelievable shape and is working hard to learn the systems weve brought in. Everyone is here for the right reasons, to win and all of them put the team first.
The Toronto Rock begin the 2010 season with a home-and-home series with the Boston Blazers that starts in Boston on January 9 and continues on Friday, January 15 at the Air Canada Centre when the Rock open their home schedule of eight games.
Posted on Dec 23, 2009, 6:15 PM from IP address 74.13.13.86
Let me be the first to wish everyone on this forum the best for a very happy holiday season. Even all of the mean people who post nasty things. They too deserve a Merry Christmas.
HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL !!!
Posted on Dec 23, 2009, 5:45 PM from IP address 205.188.116.145
NLL player and teacher Mike Accursi carried the Olympic torch on the weekend as well as did former player and current Toronto National assistant coach Jason Johnson. Unfortunately, native protesters disrupted the planned Olympic torch relay through Oshweken and Six Nations, forcing the torch bearers to run around a bingo hall instead. Too bad, as in lacrosse, some events should rise above the politics, in this case, many in that community were deprived of the chance to see the torch being carried by members of that community.
Posted on Dec 22, 2009, 9:59 AM from IP address 70.25.21.123
Edge Elite Teams for 2010 are now accepting coaching applications from any individual who is interested. In order to have your name be considered please EMAIL jaime@edgelacrosse.com.
Please put your name forward via email by Monday, December 28, 2010.
Phone # for Questions - 905 845 5110
Posted on Dec 21, 2009, 2:57 PM from IP address 70.48.153.189
Thank you for the support. Not sure if they are aware that I recently completed my level 26 coaches certification though, so I should update it and forward.
Posted on Dec 23, 2009, 8:40 AM from IP address 205.188.116.145
Having played Jr and NCAA lacrosse in the early 2000's and having since went on to be an to coach at the DIII and DII level, I am interested in finding out the operational budgets of Jr B and A teams. I understand that the majority of the teams are "community" ran. Receiving a bulk/all of their funding from sponsorships within the communities they play. I also know that some teams do have ownership. I thought I would come here and ask around before contacting Jr. teams directly. So, how do teams function monetarily? How much does it take? And, where does it come from?
Posted on Dec 20, 2009, 11:54 AM from IP address 216.8.174.150
That all depends of course how on deeply you go into the post season . That can be a blessing if your final is in your province and in your own barn,and a killer if it isnt ( scarboro minor lacrosse collapse) but that doesnt happen every year of course, to every team. A losing season in a "marginal market " ie one that doesnt have a community based fan following as is the case in a lot of Jr B Centres and some A centres can be disasterous . Someone out there please correct if I am way off base , however I have always been told that the average $ C to run a Jr Club can vary from 35,000 to 60,000 a season . The difference of course would be geographic proximity to your rivals a community following that ensures you of a good gate, that pays dividends on the promotions side of things too. Sponsorships are beginning to be difficult in a lot of cases to find. So thats why I always rant on here about getting out to games to help these teams out. Lastly of course there are some teams with "friends " that have deep pockets . I would think that a call to any teams manager would result in a much more accurate itemization of costs , good luck..
Posted on Dec 20, 2009, 7:01 PM from IP address 74.13.13.86
Ron, Thanks for the information. From what I had wrote down I was in the ball park between $40,000 and $60,000. I had the largest area of + and -'s in travel expenses. I have combined a lot of ideas I've used budgeting and fundraising in the ncaa with the little I know about running a Jr. team and think I've come up with a fresh formate. I know the OLA used to assest teams traveling to compete in National Championships (minto/Founders). Is that still the case?
Posted on Dec 20, 2009, 7:15 PM from IP address 216.8.170.219
Don't worry about getting the money, worry about getting the people. You need lots of fans, community spirited business people, and especially volunteers.
After a Jr team is established, it could probably operate on as little as $20,000... depending on how expensive your taste is.
Do you need new jerseys every year? How much equipment do you plan on supplying the players? Can you settle on a yellow tin can instead of a coach bus? Will the team make an effort to chase their balls after practice?
Realistically your looking at closer to $25 to $30 on a bare bones budget. About 30% will be gained thru game day operations if you have a decent fan base and volunteers to sell souvenirs, 50/50 tickets, etc. The rest will have to be raised thru sponsorships and player fees. Yes, player fees, are becoming a reality in Jr lacrosse.
If you don't make the playoffs its tough to break even, if you go deep into the playoffs its a money maker, and if you go all the way to the nationals its definitely a money loser. You can easily double your season expenses if you go to the nationals.
The OLA assists the Ontario championship team with 25 flights when travelling out of province, which covers just a team and coaches, no extras.
Again... worry about finding lots of good people, your volunteers will be your biggest asset!!!
Posted on Dec 20, 2009, 11:25 PM from IP address 99.252.162.22
I definitely understand the importance of having good people involved. I would imagine that Orangeville is the model community, supporting both a Jr B and Jr A team that contends for a Minto every year. I also understand the "taste" factor! I also think I have modeled a way to operate a "players dues" that is both beneficial to the player, organization, and minor system.
However, being in a small community that depends heavily on a dying industry, sponsorship money and community business support is a concern. However, I do not think that the team has currently sought after the avenue of sponsorship that I have based the entire marketing and sponsorship concept around.
I guess my next question would be... when operating a Jr team through an Ownership model, are there ways for that owner to operate that would allow them to have the same advantages as a non-profit organization?
Posted on Dec 20, 2009, 11:48 PM from IP address 216.8.174.150
The word sponsorship denotes that whatever money that entitiy pledges, it is just that a pledge, with no return except hoping that your business is favoured by the teams followers. Now if you approach that same business and treat them as an "Advertiser" ie, that in return for their money they get something, then it might be easier to pry a few of them much needed bucks from them .They have to be made to feel part of what is going on . Get them into the arena, let them hear the announcer say their name a few times a game. Make a night of it for the sponsor ,with a booth in the lobby, an eye catching printed Card Ad / Schedule in their store window, encourage them to engage the fans . I am a small business owner I know the importance of having face to face contact with my customers. As my friend Ball Boy stated this of course needs a solid volunteer base, maybe even a small remittance per game for help where staff is sparse ( I know the Beaches have done this for years and they run a great show ) . Build a fun ,family style atmosphere, for those staff members and encourage participation in team functions . Even a couple of Pizzas and Pop for the staff after each game goes a long way. It encourages the staff to talk about what happened that night and to plan for the next game and what they can do to make it better next time . I know a lot of my ideas are difficult to impliment . I have been involved in some organisations where game night is the highlight of my week and others I have had to drag myself there to satisfy the commitment that I had made , so I know of what I speak ! Its not easy, I know but having been a staffer involved in games since I was a kid this is what I have observed . Make it an event and people will come . As for the volunteers if you are not having fun and gamenight becomes a "Bitchfest" then maybe it is time to take a seat in the stands and rediscover the game that you love. God Luck to all operators hope some of what I wrote provides some ideas and inspiration. Then again ,there is always free food and beer.....
Posted on Dec 21, 2009, 8:17 AM from IP address 74.13.13.86
I'm no tax lwayer that's for sure but as far as I know, the only reason you'd want to operate as a registered Canadian not-for-profit is for tax reasons.
I'm not sure that any minor sports teams are sufficiently profitable to have to worry about paying taxes so that becomes a non-issue.
The only other thing might be to register as a charity but I don't believe minor sports currently qualify as registered charities.
Remember, sponsors and advertisers can always claim the money they spend with you as a marketing expense so they'll get some or all of it back at the end of the year. It's probably good to issue them invoices on team letterhead so that they have the necessary paper to do so. Also no matter the business, they all want to take in more money than they put out so unless you're talking to one of the few that are doing that, the expense claim won't matter to them.
The fact is that if you operate a Junior lacrosse franchise in Ontario you're probably going to operate as a not-for-profit whether that was your intent or not.
Posted on Dec 23, 2009, 1:20 PM from IP address 216.221.84.42
for the Junior Championship team to go to the nationals but only if it is held out-of-province. Also, while it would appear the money comes from the OLA it in fact, comes from the other teams in the league (Junior A and B). Each team is assessed an equal fee by their respective league as part of their entry fees into their for the season. Every other year that money is dispersed to the Championship team that needs to travel out-of-province to play in their respective Championship. The level of funding, as far as I know, is determined by each league and not so much the OLA.
Posted on Dec 23, 2009, 12:46 PM from IP address 216.221.84.42
I believe the current day Orillia Minor Lacrosse was started in 1967.
Some of the key individuals in making it happen at the time were Boyd and Lois Balkwill and their family. John and Ruth Morris and Hoppy Hopkins. There were many others as well that were responsible for getting the sport started after I believe at least a two decade period when the sport was not played in Orillia
The teams including house league times played at McKinnell Square outdoor box. It has since been torn down. Rep teams played at the Orillia Community Centre.
I was nine years old and played from day one right up until I finished Junior with the then Orillia Lions Junior Lacrosse team.
Posted on Dec 19, 2009, 3:53 PM from IP address 99.239.26.247
CUFLA
Canadian University Lacrosse
Canada's highest level field lacrosse league announced the
2009 All Canadians
Dec. 8th. 2009
CUFLA announced the 2009 All Canadians and on that list are two Toronto players.
Below is a news brief of the two players along with a complete listing of all the
2009 All Canadians.
All Canada West
midfield
Scott Fitchett
4th. year, senior
Guelph Gryphons
Scott started out with the old Scarborough Saints minors',
(not many of those guys left still playing). He switched to the Beach for
bantam and midget.
Played junior 'B' for the Scarborough Saints (different from the minors' organization).
Scott was a major contributor to the Saints for the next five years.
Played high school field lacrosse for, at that time, the ultra powerful
Birchmount Collegiate which won the city championship.
2008 the Gryphons won the CUFLA Baggataway Cup.
Scott was a scoring threat all season.
After a distinguished career in junior, Scott took up coaching with the Toronto Stars
last season, assisting his parents Rick and Dona-Lei (lacrosse's most dedicated).
Bringing along the Stars and OLA's big surprise story of the season;
Toronto Stars novice (first year in rep) all-star team, which ripped it up last year.
Nice recognition for one of lacrosse's good people.
Scott Fitchett, All Canadian 2009
All Canada West
Defence
Eric Pitre
1st. year freshman
Western Mustangs
Played his complete career for the Beach. Always a key player when the
game is on the line.
Played school lacrosse for the St. Michaels College.
Playing for Team Ontario U-19 in the Brogden Cup in January 2010.
In box, he played for last seasons Intermediate 'A' championship team.
Also played up at times with the junior 'A' team.
While playing in his first year in CUFLA in the competitive east division, with a
lot of strong defenders in the league, and, being named All Canadian,
is quite an achievement.
'Born to play long pole'
Eric Pitre, All Canadian 2009
Posted on Dec 18, 2009, 11:29 AM from IP address 70.26.152.106
After almost four months away, the teams landed at Quebec City on Monday August 13th and their first thoughts were of getting home as soon as possible. However they soon learned that two additional matches hastily were now arranged for the following afternoon and that Dr. Beers had even invited the vacationing Governor General, the Marquis of Lorne, and his wife, Princess Louise (a daughter of Queen Victoria and the namesake of Lake Louise.) After the G.G. requested a postponement to allow for his Tuesday yachting excursion, the teams appeared Wednesday on the Thistle Lacrosse Ground where the Canadian team managed a two goals to one win over the Native team, and then registered a draw with the Thistles of Quebec. The teams were presented to the Marquis and Princess, and in the 1884 book, "Canada under the Administration of Lord Lorne" by Joseph Collins, the meeting would lead to this observation, "their kind, affable and unostentatious manner (of Lorne and the Princess) made a great impression on the boys, and when a short time afterwards their sojourn in Canada came to an end, and they returned to England, each member of the Canadian Lacrosse team felt as if two well-beloved personal friends had gone from their midst."
The teams left Quebec City that evening for Montreal where the Canadians played the Montreal Club on Saturday afternoon (a 2 - 2 draw) before losing an hour-long match to the Native team by one goal to none. Finally the Canadian team (which was comprised of Montreal and Toronto players) and the Native team traveled by rail to Toronto to wrap up the tour with the Canadians playing a match versus the Toronto club (a 3 1 win) before a rain-shortened, scoreless match with the Native team. It was reported that later that same day, "The Toronto portion of the team assembled at the Union Station in the evening, and gave their Montreal comrades a hearty "send off" - and the trip was finished."
This tour, as was Dr. Beers' previous lacrosse trip to Great Britain in 1876, was a financial disaster and each Canadian player was heavily burdened with a share of the costs. The Caughnawaga team had wisely arranged to be paid for their services prior to agreeing to participate. The newspapers, the Toronto Globe and the Toronto Mail, as well as a Montreal newspaper, each had their own correspondent on the team, and what they passed along to us is an interesting record of the boundless optimism that existed for their novel sport, and even for their times for that matter, as the world was only beginning to rev up for all the beautiful miracles and unimaginable horrors that the 20th century would soon bring. And for a brief, fleeting moment, we traveled alongside them in their own time, at their own pace, and maybe even in some small way, we brought them back to life again.
And so concludes the grand lacrosse tour of 1883. Maybe I'll close with just this brief wishgood luck to both the Canadian and the Iroquois teams in their lacrosse matches at Manchester, England in the summer of 2010. Hopefully you'll even get to play under some bright blue skies, something that was rare for the lacrosse travelers of 127 years ago before you. But hopefully just like them, may you also come upon "the best and warmest hearted fellows that it would be possible to meet anywhere" on your own grand lacrosse tour. Happily, some important things never change.
gardell, dec '09
Posted on Dec 17, 2009, 6:56 AM from IP address 69.165.160.20
Gary on behalf of what I am sure is a vast majority of the denizens of this Forum. Thank You so much for this great piece of Canadiana and lacrosse History . I was corrected on another Forum in the past couple of days for saying what a part this great game plays in our culture and how it is a part of what defines us to other persons of the World. I think that one only has to read your story of the past couple of weeks to understand what I mean . Thanks Again
Posted on Dec 17, 2009, 5:00 PM from IP address 74.12.44.251
I am excited to announce that Whitby Minor Lacrosse will be offering a new division in 2010 GIRLS TYKE!!
This will be for girls born 2002-2004 (senior paperweight-major tyke) and will be offered in a push-play format. This format is used in most other provinces for girls lacrosse. I feel for the age of the girls and having a combined division that it will appeal to more girls and their parents.
Push-play offers basically the same game except that there is no cross-checking. Stick checking and pushing away with the stick is permitted. At this point, cross-checking will begin and remain in the girls novice program.
Please help spread the word!
Thank you and Happy Holidays,
Michelle
Director of Girls Lacrosse
Posted on Dec 16, 2009, 1:12 PM from IP address 192.75.48.150
The last night in Ireland was a lively one, and very few of the boys passed any portion of it in sweet repose. Those few who did attempt it must have had a hard time reaching the arms of Morpheus, as the majority of the crowd, ably assisted by some Belfast friends, were down below them in the hotel nearly all night, taking leave of the "ould sod" and celebrating the ceremony in a service of song of the loudest and most boisterous description. The musical notes of Davy Nicholson's now well known banjo helped the performance along, and formed the instrumental portion, and there is no doubt at all of the fact that everybody in Belfast knew that night that the Canadian Lacrosse Team were saying "good-bye."
We were up at six and got our collection of luggage down to the deck and on board the tender, and accompanied by a large number of our Irish friends, we steamed out to where our vessel, the Dominion, lay at anchor waiting for us, and then came the hardest part of our trip; saying good-bye. The painful task was accomplished at last and the two vessels slowly drew apart, and soon were out of sight of each other, the one that went back to Belfast carrying on it a party of the best and warmest hearted fellows that it would be possible to meet anywhere.
Of the voyage across I cannot say a great deal. The first two or three days the whole of our party, with the exception of Bowie and Ross, were prostrated with mal de mer. We saw the usual sights of the ocean - an iceberg or two, a few whales, some porpoises, phosphorescences, ships, etc., and enjoyed good weather. The evenings were generally occupied by improvised concerts, which everybody enjoyed.
And now to close up with a chapter of statistics carefully compiled by a member of the team with a particular genius for that kind of work. We have played in all 62 matches; 2 in Portland, 7 in Scotland, 48 in England, and 5 in Ireland. Fifty-eight of those matches were against the Indians and 4 were international. Of these we won 41, the Indians 10, and 11 were drawn. We have played in 42 different places, and by the time we get back to Toronto will have travelled 10,646 miles: 5,033 by rail and 5,613 by water.
The emigration portion of our trip has been a great success, and eclipses any emigration effort ever made before. I haven't the exact number of copies of the special edition of the Canadian Illustrated News that we have delivered, or rather distributed, but they were contained in 126 cases, each weighing over 300 pounds, besides which parcels containing from 6 papers up to 100 were sent to 224 different people, and Mr. Colmer, the Government Secretary, has cabled advising the Government to send over to him a further supply of 125,000. Dr. Beers has received and answered 328 letters on emigration, and has upwards of 70 people engaged in voluntarily assisting in emigration work. In addition to the Illustrated News, we distributed 150,000 copies of other matter giving information about Canada and its resources. The Lacrosse trip has helped emigration more than it is possible to estimate, but the emigration part of the trip has not helped lacrosse, and I should say that our receipts are a good many thousand dollars smaller on account of it. We have had a glorious trip, and I think we have upheld Canada's good name wherever we have gone.
Stay tuned for teepeesforever's final instalment...back in Canada, but they're not done yet.
Posted on Dec 16, 2009, 12:24 AM from IP address 76.10.167.92
Don't know when they started, but so far Toronto, Boston, Rochester (of course. lol), and Orlando have all played games there.
I was only able to catch the Rochester game, but tomorrow (Dec 19th) there is a game between Toronto & Boston. 2pm. Gate price? I have no idea, they didn't charge to get in to watch the game last week, but that could have changed.
AND
Dec 20th: Rochester vs Boston. 10AM start.
Dec 22nd: Toronto vs Buffalo. 8PM start
Posted on Dec 19, 2009, 1:47 AM from IP address 216.59.254.226
there wont be any cost. reason being if they charge people, they have to pay the players. so they just let you in free. that or it will be closed to the public.
Posted on Dec 19, 2009, 8:19 PM from IP address 65.93.137.190
We made an early start for Dublin, crossing the Boyne water en route. After lunch, jaunting cars were engaged, and some of the sights of the city were visited, among others, the scene of Lord F. Cavendish and Mr. Burke's murder in Phoenix Park. The spots where each victim fell are marked by deep crosses cut into the ground. All the grass is worn away by the feet of the thousands who have visited the spot, but one of the drivers gravely informed the party that the grass withered shortly after the murders, and that it will never grow again. Dublin fairly bristles with barracks, gaols, correction houses, police and soldiers. It looked ominous and suggestive to see the sentries on their beats opposite all the principal buildings, each with a couple of rounds of ball cartridge stuck into their belts. There seems to be a pall over the place. Business is dull and the best people have gone away, and those that remain look scared, dissatisfied, and unhappy. The city looks as if it might have once been handsome and gay, but now it is decidedly the reverse, and the gloom of the place, combined with horrible stench of the river Liffey, which runs through it, made us make up our minds to get out as quickly as we could.
The Landsdowne-road ground was the scene of the last match of the trip on British ground, and we had a good day and a large attendance. Both sides wanted to win and played hard to do it, and the game was long, hard, rather rough, and was eventually won by us.
We left Dublin for Belfast on Wednesday morning, having said good-bye to Bonnell, who has returned to London to do a couple of weeks' business.
Stay tuned for teepeesforever's next instalment...sad goodbyes to Ireland.
***********************************
Wikipedia-sourced footnote: The Phoenix Park Murders were the stabbings on 6 May 1882 in the Phoenix Park in Dublin of Lord Frederick Cavendish and Thomas Henry Burke. Cavendish was the newly appointed Chief Secretary for Ireland, and Burke was the Permanent Undersecretary, the most senior Irish civil servant. The assassination was carried out by members of the "Irish National Invincibles".
Posted on Dec 15, 2009, 7:44 AM from IP address 206.248.160.102
In the morning we started for Portrush and the Giant's Causeway a trip specifically arranged for us by Mr. H. C. Keely, a gentleman who has been the head and front of all plans for our entertainment. Through his arrangement we acquired a special saloon carriage, and the contrast between it and the cars we have done so much travelling in England was so great that we positively enjoyed the journey.
The Giant's Causeway is about seven miles from Portrush and to carry the party there, two large conveyances resembling overgrown jaunting cars were engaged, and we had a splendid drive along the coast, stopping at intervals to admire the different bits of scenery on the way, such as "Phil McCool's Head," "Dunline Castle," "The Devil's Punch Bowl," "The Maiden's Wishing Arch," etc. and these places were all graphically described by our driver, a most original old fellow. On reaching the Causeway we embarked in three large boats, and visited the caves and curious formations with which the place abounds. The Causeway itself was a sort of a disappointment to us all, as we had imagined it as much larger than it is. We stayed at Portrush over night and left in the morning for Londonderry.
We had a match on the Academical grounds, a large crowd being present, but the ground was very small and unsuitable for lacrosse, and the game did not amount to much. A drive around the maiden city, including an inspection of the celebrated walls and gates, concluded our trip there, and we left by special train about 8 o'clock for Enniskillen were we spent the night.
Stay tuned for teepeesforever's next instalment...Dublin in the aftermath of the Lord Cavendish assassination.
Posted on Dec 14, 2009, 5:55 AM from IP address 69.165.160.185
Dear Santa,
could you please be so kind as to remove the muzzle from Mr.McDougal,i sure do miss him .Then take said muzzle and slap it on Tsitshoh,he`s like the girl who laughs the loudest at a party ensureing everyone notices her.
Elvis Hasleftthebuilding
Posted on Dec 13, 2009, 7:17 PM from IP address 64.12.116.145
Why lookie here: the original post is from the same USA IP address as "Tommy T" in VA, and the second is from SUNY boy in Albany, NY. Doing a little Christmas trolling there lil Tommie? Oh, and look you brought along a little pixie friend. I guess that speaks volumes about where you are from doesn't it?
tsk, tsk, tsk
Skennen
...Tsitshoh...
Posted on Dec 13, 2009, 9:28 PM from IP address 70.50.188.104
Both IP addresses in question are from the same provider and location:
IP Information for 64.12.116.145
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IP Address: 64.12.116.145
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Could it be we have another Manasas Mauler on our hands? has the U.S Government "hacked" in to the Forum to troll for leftist Pinko Terrorists?? I knew this day would come , they cant stand the fact we own the Worlds greatest game . Watch out Tod there will be guys in Big Black suits wearing sunglasses hammering at your door in the night , knocking your garbage cans over and shouting out rude names. The next thing you know your Timmies will be spiked with truth serum. The Bastards the killed Tshioh ( or however you spell it !!)
Posted on Dec 14, 2009, 8:05 AM from IP address 74.12.44.251
But the IP address for the message above is the same as prior ones you have used; examples below:
Message above:
letter to santaby Elvis Hasleftthebuilding (Login kjms)
Dear Santa,
could you please be so kind as to remove the muzzle from Mr.McDougal,i sure do miss him .Then take said muzzle and slap it on Tsitshoh,he`s like the girl who laughs the loudest at a party ensureing everyone notices her.
Elvis Hasleftthebuilding
Posted on Dec 13, 2009, 7:17 PM
from IP address 64.12.116.145
Other messages:
thinking about itby Tommy T (Login Tom_Templeman)
I don't want to tick anyone off though.
Posted on Dec 5, 2009, 6:48 PM
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will doby Tommy T (Login Tom_Templeman)
I am updating my resume now and will forward.
Posted on Nov 23, 2009, 10:18 PM
from IP address 64.12.116.145
Excellent !by Tommy T (Login Tom_Templeman)
WOW. Team Canada under the direction of Dave Hundlye is making all the right moves. This solidifies the team ! Everyone is on board now that should be ! Can't wait for the games to begin.
Posted on Nov 19, 2009, 9:17 AM
from IP address 64.12.116.145
dumbby Tommy T (Login Tom_Templeman)
That is a dumb statement mister.
Posted on Nov 18, 2009, 1:17 PM
from IP address 64.12.116.145
Posted on Dec 14, 2009, 9:58 AM from IP address 174.142.127.81
TMZ caught up with Tommy T outside a Timmies in Oakville on the weekend. Tommy T was asked about the matching IP addresses, he had a Homer Simpson look on his face and replied "Doh!"
Posted on Dec 14, 2009, 10:12 AM from IP address 173.35.68.90
That visceral response confirms your original 'Elvis' posting which uses the same tone.
"Nerdo geek' confirms that you are stuck somewhere in the 70's.
You only ever access here using two IP addresses, both from AOL and both from Virginia and the 'Elvis' posting is the only one linked to you on this forum.
Nice try.
Posted on Dec 15, 2009, 7:39 AM from IP address 174.142.127.81
However, wireless computers do give access to those willing or can access someone else's computer. Therefore giving the impression that certain individuals have posted.
What amazes me is the time and effort that went into checking I.P. addresses and pulling up old threads. Boy they could use you guys to look into the abuse of Afghani prisoners. You guys would have it cleared up in no time!
Posted on Dec 15, 2009, 1:56 PM from IP address 72.38.65.134
I think you meant to say wireless access point/router. Unless the computer is configured to act as a gateway or IP forwarder, anyone accessing that computer wirelessly would hit a dead end. So unless perpetrator A was carrying around an unprotected access point device or a computer configured to act as a gateway and said perpetrator being a semi-regular poster on the O-L-A Fan Forum (through the familiarity of the posting), the probability of this address being hijacked without someone's knowledge is very, very low. So low that it would akin to you saying that the Afghani prisoners were abusing themselves.
Have a nice sleep.
Skennen
...Tsitshoh...
Posted on Dec 15, 2009, 2:57 PM from IP address 70.50.188.104
Can you say "Hackers!". If somebody is on the road and is using a wireless system, anything is possible. Using landline type of computers has a tendancy to be more secure. Since you spend so much time researching look back at the issues there are/were with wireless computers and child porn.
Posted on Dec 15, 2009, 10:40 PM from IP address 72.38.65.134
It could indicate a proxy address for AOL. I am guessing that when someone logs on to the AOL network they are assigned an 'internal' C class IP address, usually in the 192.n.n.n range. This internal address then talks with the AOL proxy which operates as a go-between for the Internet and the internal AOL network. A request to the Internet is handled by the proxy which will appear to outside sites as the valid Internet IP, while requests back to the client are resolved by the proxy to the internal IP and sent to the client. Most proxy or firewalled internal networks operate this way, it is fairly common.
That only leaves the probability factor as a determinent of identity. What is the probability that someone using a Washington area AOL proxy server is posting sarcastic comments to me on the OLA Fan Forum? The probability is low, hence my original assumption that you were behind the posting. However it is possibly someone else, even if that possibility is very low. It could be some sarcastic d-bagger from a local college somewhere, or someone else on business travel with an AOL account picking up that network proxy when they log on.
There are ways of tracking the actual internal AOL IP address and resolving it to a particular user, but life's too short and I don't feel like reading DHCP logfiles today.
Skennen
...Tsitshoh...
Posted on Dec 15, 2009, 7:19 AM from IP address 198.103.221.51
seriously, Elvis has a point, your posts suck and usually are interesting to a select few. You complain about a lot of things, unless it's your idea it's rarely a good idea. Time to find a new gig, like writing a novel that no one will read.
As tough as it it I agree with Tommy T, a buddy of mine who is far more knowledgeable than you so called no it alls told me that IP's are not always right. But who know's I started nodding off when he started talking about it and really didn't care.
So rant all you want about how I'm an idiot and I suck and I know nothing and blah blah blah. Chances are you're not the first to tell me this and you definitly won't be the last.
Posted on Dec 15, 2009, 8:30 AM from IP address 99.227.226.90
No one is forcing you to read anything I write and no one is forcing you to read to the end when you can't help yourself. And the fact that you double checked my work with a knowledgeable friend is a sign that tells us a lot more about you than me. Are you an angry internet stalker or something? Or are you just bitter because you just predicted that you will also suck in the future? Must be pretty tough living with that kind of burden, maybe you should get some therapy or something? Just a suggestion.
Skennen
...Tsitshoh...
PS - forwarding IP address capture has several factors that are used as input to the probability of a diagnostic, however all things being equal, including Tommie T's information that he was in the Maryland/Virginia area eliminates some of those factors and increases the liklihood of the capture being correct for diagnostic purposes. I mean, I am just saying...
Posted on Dec 15, 2009, 9:21 AM from IP address 198.103.221.51
actually I didn't take the time to look into from your post. Someone actually looked up my IP in the past, if your really interested you can see the post when the northmen beat my excelsiors. Seems like you have more than enough time on your hands for digging up old posts.
The other poster is right, I do read yours to get to sleep better. Usually I am sleepy enough by the 3rd line of your drivel.
Keep up the good work shtshow!
Posted on Dec 15, 2009, 4:49 PM from IP address 99.227.226.90
no hablo ingles.
actually I didn't take the time to look into from your post. Someone actually looked up my IP in the past, if your really interested you can see the post when the northmen beat my excelsiors. Seems like you have more than enough time on your hands for digging up old posts.
The other poster is right, I do read yours to get to sleep better. Usually I am sleepy enough by the 3rd line of your drivel.
Keep up the good work shtshow!
Posted on Dec 15, 2009, 4:50 PM from IP address 99.227.226.90
"shtshow" LOL - do people still actually say that still or are you just way behind the time? lulz! That's it? That is your chirp? That's all you can bring? Geez, I've heard better chirps in novice house league. Which would explain a lot about you actually.
Don't forget to take your hockey helmet off before you go to bed.
Skennen
...Tsitshoh...
Posted on Dec 15, 2009, 9:13 PM from IP address 70.50.188.104
Can catch moron's so fast? yes they can be wrong but the mac address it links to won't be. I can easily statically set an IP but the mac address will stay the same. So even if its wrong the correct information is there based on the mac address.
Posted on Dec 16, 2009, 12:19 PM from IP address 142.176.11.17
After reading Tsitshoh reply:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/333879/message/1260757708/Whadya+know...
I would be inclined to say that most people on this forum would see him as the "angry internet stalker or something". We are not the internet IP police and tracking people by their IP/username ... ... has no place here. Lets get back to talking lacrosse.
Posted on Dec 15, 2009, 6:53 PM from IP address 74.50.118.91
Another person who speaks for everyone else and acts as the de facto forum mod. Nice leadership there Mr. Anonymous Internet Poster. Let's get back to talking lacrosse when? After you give out a cheap shot? LOFL
Skennen
...Tsitshoh...
Posted on Dec 15, 2009, 9:02 PM from IP address 70.50.188.104
Tsk! Tsk! Such anger. Face it you come on here and post your opinions, yet when somebody challenges you it just goes down hill and a hurry. It's like being in elementary school again. See who gets the last word in. Wait, don't worry. I'm turning my computer of. NA, Na, Na, Na. I can't hear you!
Posted on Dec 15, 2009, 10:46 PM from IP address 72.38.65.134
i like to think that these people spend alot of there time thinking about these posts... haha and i also think it gives the poster of the original post the last laugh i think... i think... i think..
Posted on Dec 16, 2009, 2:04 AM from IP address 76.67.124.117
Our first appearance in Ireland was on the North of Ireland Cricket Grounds, on the banks of the River Lagan, and we had a large and very fashionable attendance. Before we did any playing, the Knock Lacrosse Club of Belfast had an hour's match with the Indians, and to our surprise succeeded in defeating them by five goals to three. Then we undertook to begin where they had left off, and the Indians gave us as bad a beating as they themselves had received. The results of the day's playing caused considerable comment, and as we were billed to play against Ireland on the following day the majority of the spectators believed that we would be beaten. The cricket club entertained us at supper in the club house in the evening, and a pleasant evening of speech and song was passed. Next morning a little piece of attention from the Belfast men appeared at the door of our hotel in the shape of a large brake and four horses. We drove all around Belfast and its environs, a lovely drive, and as we were armed with a very long horn, which was most energetically sounded by a little fellow named Fenton, who possessed an uncommonly large pair of lungs, we excited no little attention as we bowled along.
At 3:30 we faced the Irish team. There was a big crowd present, a much larger one than on the previous day, and it was an obvious fact that there was a great deal of excitement among the people caused by the expectation that Canada would suffer a defeat. But those who expected it were doomed to disappointment, as we won the match with a score of 8 goals to 2. We took three more games, but as they were disputed we didn't press them. The match was much harder than the one against the United Kingdom team in London, and it was only by playing in grim earnest that we succeeded in winning. The Irishmen are the best exponents of lacrosse that we have met over here, and they only need a few practical lessons to develop them into first-class players. Indeed, as they now stand, there are only three or four Canadian clubs capable of beating them. After our match with Ireland we played the Indians and gave them a bad beating, thereby completely mystifying those who had based their calculations on our play the day previous.
In the evening we were the recipients of a grand banquet in Ulster Minor Hall at the hands of the citizens of Belfast. From all the demonstrations in our honour since we landed in Great Britain, this banquet stands out pre-eminent.
Stay tuned for teepeesforever's next instalment...the pleasant trip to Londonderry town.
Posted on Dec 13, 2009, 9:30 AM from IP address 69.165.141.163
With no lacrosse to speak of, we find ourselves in the midst of the great Edge lacrosse debate. Why not just take the talents of those who run the Edge program and get the CLA to pay them to run the provincial teams? Because Edge is a business.
Parents are investing in their child's future and by paying, they can ensure that their kid won't get overlooked because the coach doesn't like the parent or the other BS politics that have ruined the lacrosse careers of many talented amateur lacrosse players. Some posters like to paint the CLA as some sort of victim in all this, but it's that same organization that drives most of us crazy in mid-august.
This is all about opportunity and any kid who chooses to play Edge over CLA should not be faulted for doing so. Besides, if the kid is that good; he's going to get noticed regardless and it seems to me that this program is for those kids on the cusp who won't get the exposure otherwise.
At the end of the day, does it really matter? No and when the price tag of an education getting up to 20k a year (sometimes), every little bit helps; hence the name of the program.
How many more months to go until this becomes an afterthought?
Posted on Dec 12, 2009, 10:36 PM from IP address 173.33.224.119
We left Scarborough on the morning of the 26th July and reached Liverpool at two o'clock, picking up some of our lacrosse friends at Manchester en route. At Liverpool we found that we were behind the time advertised as the sailing hour for the steamer which was to convey us to Belfast, and McNaught, who had gone on ahead of us, was in a state of wild excitement and had all the porters and cabs that he could lay his hands on engaged to transfer us and our belongings to the landing stage.
To make a long story short, we caught the steamer in the river, and got aboard all right and waved farewell to a number of good friends who had accompanied us on the tender to see us safely away from Old England. A number of our fellow passengers on the Sarnia in May were on the Oregon on their homeward journey, and we had an "old time" evening, which we kept up into the small hours.
In the morning we were in Belfast Lough waiting for the tender to take us off. As a change from the rain and fog of which we had had such a surfeit in England, our first glance at "Ould Ireland" was taken on a perfect morning. The Lough was as calm as a millpond, the sky cloudless, and the beautiful sloping green banks radiant in the bright sunshine. An interesting spot was Lord Dufferin's estate, Clandeboye, which is cosily nestled among the hills and visible from the steamer's deck. When the tender came out for us it brought Dr. Beers and Bowie, who had gone on before us, and also a photographer, who took several pictures of the team and of the honorary members of the team. After bidding Aird, Sutherland, and McIntyre and other members of our party good-bye and wishing them bon voyage, we got on board the tender, and I question if ever the shores of Belfast Lough have echoed to heartier cheers than those that went from tender to steamer and from steamer to tender, until both lost sight of each other. In Belfast we found that preparations had been made to give us a right royal welcome, and subsequent events proved that Irishmen not only know how to plan, but to execute as well.
The following link to the wonderful McCord Museum website shows the Canadian team on board the Oregon in Belfast Lough on July 27, 1883...
I think edge is what it is, a money grab and a snob fest for the parents that have the money. We have edge players in our minor organization and they are not the best players but they have money to spend and they walk around talking about how their kid made edge, from how I see it is. You show you can pay so you play.
I heard edge is not even full contact, thats lacrosse?
What is better Blue Knights or Edge?
Thanks
Posted on Dec 11, 2009, 11:11 PM from IP address 174.89.137.59
The only criteria to play on an Edge team is an academic average of over 75%.
Hence, you can only attend tryouts if you meet the criteria. Then the team is selected from those qualified.
Your remark " a money grab and a snob fest for the parents that have the money" is way out of line and insulting.
The academics is the only division line set forth by Edge period. Financial wealth IS NOT.
True there are some better lacrosse players in Ontario than those on the Edge teams, but the fact remains
if you do not have the SAT or transcript requirements your not going to college anyways. The American coaches love the fact
that any player on an Edge team they like on the field will meet the academics at his school.(IVY league require better grades)
It is a no hassle venture for the coaches.
I hope this clarifies some of this issue for you.
drawman
Posted on Dec 12, 2009, 8:14 AM from IP address 99.242.80.32
"True there are some better lacrosse players in Ontario than those on the Edge teams, but the fact remains if you do not have the SAT or transcript requirements your (you're) not going to college anyways."
I'm certain there are some better lacrosse players who DO have the academic and financial requirements but are not with Edge ... because they couldn't care less about it.
Posted on Dec 12, 2009, 3:47 PM from IP address 99.250.120.36
Why would you ask which is better OBK or Edge? They are completely different field lacrosse organizations. OBK is a minor association and Edge is a tournament team organization much the same as tournament teams put together for hockey. They are both successful in what they do just different.
Posted on Dec 12, 2009, 10:27 AM from IP address 173.35.76.89
What ever happened to kids playing lacrosse, and parents wanting the best for their kids, doing what they deem to be something to help them?
I did a story on Edge last year after attending a trip to Rhode Island with them. Guess what? Those that were there were happy to be there, and felt it was well worth the cost for the opportunity to reach their potential goal. In most cases, that goal was some form of scholarship.
So is this any different than the gazillions of parents that send their kids to hockey camps, and to a lesser degree lacrosse camps? I think not.
And for those that want to call Edge a cash grab, call it what you want. The reality is that they are providing a service to many kids that up until now, not many others were able or willing to provide. Yes there are others (The Hill comes to mind), and even some club associations make these trips (OBK and Akwesasne I know of).
I applaud Edge and the Hill for what they do, and for the efforts they put forth to get these kids exposure. If people want to pay millions dollars for it, more power to them. In reality, it is no different than Camps, tournament teams, Team Ontario, Team Canada, etc. Some want it, others do not. But if you do not, there is no need to slam those that do, and / or those that offer it.
As for "placing" kids in NCAA positions, well, I think they probably did. In all likelihood, it was a tournament they were at with Edge (or the Hill), where many of these kids got noticed. So what is the harm in making that claim? I didn't read that Edge taught the kid everything they know. I read that they placed them. To their credit, does Edge also not put on their site, where each player played minor lacrosse? I'd say that is being pretty respectful and acknowledging the home associations.
All of this has given me the positive thought that we (here in Whitby) need to start acknowledging the kids that have gone on to bigger and better, whether through WMLA alone, Edge, the Hill, or the magical powers of something else. I think it would be a fine tribute to the player and family. And it is also a shot in the arm to that players home association that they played for as a kid.
I'm going to go now, and figure out how I can make everyone believe that I must have made Zack Greer what he is today; because I coached him here in Minor Tyke .
Give it a rest people.....
Gary
Posted on Dec 12, 2009, 6:43 PM from IP address 99.243.114.220
You are missing a wonderful opportunity for LITG's biggest story ever...an expose/smoking gun breakdown of Edge Inc and the evils that more Lacrosse is doing to the sport of Lacrosse. I can see Tsitsoh and Laxxxdaddy with hundreds of clicks on your website alone!
Now we just need to find "Deep Throat" and have you meet him in a parking lot in Oakville to exchange secret files.
I know we'll have to wait until after the Olympics because you'll be too busy covering Doubles Luge from Whistler. But you've got March, April and May to dig up the dirt just in time for June's sweeps season in the Bloggie Awards.
Sarcastically yours.
Posted on Dec 14, 2009, 11:51 AM from IP address 142.245.193.11
What about the kids that aren't in the top flite Lacrosse organizations in Ontario? This is a great opportunity to play with good players and good coaches on a great team.
Posted on Dec 13, 2009, 9:51 AM from IP address 70.49.18.55
It is about time that everyone on this site realizes that there is no right or wrong to this solution. Minor and Jr. Coaches will promote their kids whom choose to go to the US looking for scholarships. I am assuming that this is what EDGE will do. It is about time that everyone on here understands that everyone is different and there is no right or wrong as long as we do our best to get what the kids and parents of these kids want.
Posted on Dec 11, 2009, 4:07 PM from IP address 69.157.116.72
We left for Manchester about 8 o'clock and after another miserable ride reached our destination at 1:30 a.m. thoroughly used up. The next day Thursday we played on the Longsight Cricket Grounds against a team from the South Manchester Lacrosse Grounds, among whom we recognized four or five of our opponents at Kennington Oval on June 11th. We turned out a very weak team, Fraser, Dwight, and Cleghorn being laid up with sprains, and the rest of us very tired and shaky. Mr. E. H. Norris of the Heaton Mersey Club, kindly volunteered his services and they were gladly accepted and proved during the match to be very valuable. The Manchester men played very hard and well and put us on our mettle, and after a hard hour's game the match stood four to two in our favour. The Indians then had a game with a team from the Sale and Ashton Club and had a hard time winning three games to one.
Friday we went to Rochdale. The rain was pelting down when we started and it kept up all the afternoon and evening, and after an hour's slipping and slushing around in the mud before a handful of spectators, we dripped home and amused ourselves for the rest of the evening taking antidotes against the cold.
Saturday, which was to have been our big day in Manchester, turned out wet to our intense chagrin. We played for about an hour in the rain against the Indians, and then abandoned the field. In the evening the lacrosse men of Manchester and suburbs entertained the team to dinner at the Clarence Hotel. The spread was good and the crowd jolly, and able to do justice to the good cheer, and we passed a very pleasant night. Monday turned out a very little dryer than Saturday, but so threatening that it might just as well have rained. We played against a team picked from Lancashire, and being a little piqued at some remarks about the quality of our playing on Thursday we stopped fooling, or "monkeying," as its termed, and went in for good, solid lacrosse. We beat them to the tune of eight games to none in an hour. Then we played the Indians for half an hour, and then the Indians played Cheshire county, beating them badly. This day finished us in Manchester. Our stay there was completely spoiled by bad weather. We had calculated on great success, as Manchester is the head centre of lacrosse in England, and the disappointment was very hard to bear philosophically.
A great deal of kindness and attention was shown the team by some of the lacrosse men of Manchester, notably Messrs. Norris and Swallow. Both of these gentlemen did a great deal to abate our misery, and a ray of sunshine would have been hardly more enjoyed than their frequent visits.
On Tuesday, July 24th, the team reached Scarborough; the celebrated English watering-place, and put up at the Grand Hotel, a magnificent building, finely situated in the most commanding position in that picturesque town.
Matches were played there on Tuesday and Wednesday, both attended by good crowds, in spite of occasional showers of rain which as usual came down about match time. The boys would have liked to stayed longer at Scarborough. It is essentially a place of amusement, and such a place suited them to a nicety. They were tendered the free entrée to the Spa, the centre of the amusement circle, and the "mashers" of the team turned out in great form and completely eclipsed anything ever before seen at that most fashionable of English watering-places. Another amusement indulged in was donkey-riding on the sands, and it was a touching spectacle to see three or four of our six-footers astride animals about as large as a good-sized dog. We wound up celebrating our last night with a very enjoyable dance in the hotel, a large party of tourist Americans helping to make the dancing and the conversation lively.
Stay tuned for teepeesforever's next instalment...farewell England, now it's on to the emerald isle.
Posted on Dec 11, 2009, 8:38 AM from IP address 76.10.168.73
I was just wondering if Edge was worth the money you spend, from what I have heard its just a status thing to say I play for Edge or my kid plays for Edge. I know 3 kids that are better then most of the Edge kids I have seen but the parents don't have the money.
I also heard that Freshmen and under is not full contact?
Thank you
Posted on Dec 10, 2009, 9:48 PM from IP address 174.89.142.146
And therein lies the quandary: 'Is it worth the money?'. NCAA division 1 scholarship has a whole lot to do with who made the greatest effort...the parents marketing effort, that is. Contacting the coaches, sending DVDs, playing for Edge or Hill Academy etc.
We can probably liken it to the Minor Midget priority draft list to OHL. Down in the bottom half of the list there's plenty of names which are there because of influence ahead of potential.
We can argue the merits of playing CUFLA, D1 or D3 until the cows come home but for those singularly focussed on getting there kid into D1, Edge and Hill are marketing tools, and not much more.
Other kids still get spotted, though. I believe coaches can see potential, including the 'great player on a bad team' gems. And can weigh whether a kid looks great mainly because he surrounded by other good players.
'Never quit' as good old Don Cherry espouses.
Posted on Dec 11, 2009, 7:05 AM from IP address 99.231.117.69
Without Edge and Hill Academy your route to US college lacrosse in through recruiting camps. You need to go through registrations, travel and hefty fees for each camp. You may have to attend 3 or 4 to get the necessary exposure. EDGE is a short cut and when you compare real cost, it's not far off.
Oh yes, as with all elite products, bragging rights are a big factor.
It's too bad that minor lacrosse has not put more emphasis on academic success. What's the sense in taking a U19 team to a recruiting tournament when most of the team can't get through high school?
Posted on Dec 21, 2009, 9:34 AM from IP address 216.121.186.75
Thanks . We dreamed about Jr b When I played at the Beaches in the early 70,s . A lot of us were in a quandry about what to do after our Minor careers were over .It meant that anyone wanting to continue in the game had to travel for Jr . Scarboro was the closest team and that is where I ended up. Guys like Mike Butler and Ted Hopkins who were good enough for Jr A had to travel to Etobicoke to suit up for the Lakeshore Leafs . I see Keith Begleys name on that team, he went on to a career in Sr with the Redmen I believe.
Posted on Dec 12, 2009, 6:49 AM from IP address 74.12.44.251
Keith certainly did. Stand by for some good news in the next months, particularly an invitation to alumni like you to get back in the stands at Ted Reeve for a little resurrection of the Junior B game in the Beach.
Posted on Dec 12, 2009, 2:24 PM from IP address 99.231.117.69
I still have 2 practice "Pinnies" from my playing days at Kew Gardens, they have the Beaches lacrosse 1968 Logos on the front . I have been planning to mount one for display in the appropriate place at Ted Reeve ( where I learned to skate ). I just not sure if the Beaches has an appropriate display for historical items yet . These shirts have travelled a long way in the past 40+ years I kind of treasure them. Good luck Beaches I plan to watch this club next summer with great interest . I know that the few Jr A games I have attended ,I have never really got the chance to watch the games as I spend most of the time socializing with folks I havent seen in decades . Perhaps the Beaches people can couple an Alumni Night as part of their home opener or Special night during the height of the season. An event like that would draw a huge crowd and be good for the Bank Account of a new team.
Posted on Dec 13, 2009, 7:30 AM from IP address 74.12.44.251
Edge is very proud of all their 2009 Teams and Players Accomplishments. A quick peek at what you could be involved in!
Placed 56 Athletes To Date in the NCAA Successfully
Wins on the Recruiting Tournament Circuit in the US
o Edge Senior Elite 2009 - 2nd Place Gait Cup 2009
o Edge Junior Elite 2009 - Rutgers MVP Week 2 Tourney CHAMPIONS
o Edge Senior Elite 2009 Fall Record Against the best Club Teams in North America - 10-1-1
o Both Edge Junior & Senior Elite Attending the NDP Tournament of Champions (National HighSchool Championships) in Tampa FL.
Edge Elite Lacrosse Listed as the #4 Rising Junior Club in North America by InsideLacrosse
More and more traction by US NCAA Lacrosse coaches looking North for their roster.
Robust Youth Program that looks to feed continually develop and give Canadian players more experience in the US Lacrosse environment.
EDGE ELITE TEAMS FOR 2010
How do I know which team to sign up for??? Beside each team is the corresponding year of birth that you would be. Just match it up!
U11 - Birth Year 1999
U12 - Birth Year 1998
U13 - Birth Year 1997
FRESHMEN - Birth Year 1996
SOPHOMORE - Birth Year 1995
JUNIOR - Birth Year 1994 or HS Grad Year 2012
EDGE ELITE 2010 TEAM TRYOUT LOCATION
All THREE weekends of tryouts will be held at:
St Michael's College School, 1515 Bathurst St, Toronto, ON
*Behind the St Mikes arena is the turf football field. A portion has been domed over for the winter. This is where the tryouts will be located.
EDGE ELITE 2010 TEAM TRYOUT COST
$75.00
Payment Options: Cash/Cheque, PayPal or Call In Credit Card
EDGE ELITE 2010 TEAM TRYOUT DATES
*There will be TWO QUALIFYING TRYOUT WEEKENDS. They are based on a loosely defined EAST or WEST WEEKEND.
This is NOT to separate east vs west but to easily provide a definitive way to split the numbers so that not all lump into the first weekend or second.
After you attend ONE of the above camps the EVALUATION PANEL will then decide on a call back list from both for the FINAL CAMP WEEKEND. Only those invited will be able to attend the Final Camp Weekend.
CONFLICTS: EMAIL jaime@edgelacrosse.com
IF YOU HAVE A CONFLICT ON WHICHEVER WEEKEND FITS YOU - THAT IS FINE!!!! Please just EMAIL US and we will arrange for your participation in the other camp. WE ARE VERY FLEXIBLE and here to help so please just reach out.
EDGE TRYOUT WEEKEND - EAST
DATE: January 23- January 24, 2010
*You will only be required to be there FOR ONE OF THE DAYS - either Saturday or Sunday.
U11 - Sunday, January 24th - 8AM to 10AM
U12 - Sunday, January 24th - 10AM to 12PM
U13 - Sunday, January 24th - 12PM to 2PM
FRESHMEN - Saturday, January 23rd - 4PM to 6PM
SOPHOMORE - Saturday, January 23rd - 6PM to 8PM
JUNIOR - Saturday, January 23rd - 8PM to 10PM
REGISTER HERE -http://www.edgelacrosse.com/registration_tryouts.php
EDGE TRYOUT WEEKEND - WEST
DATE: January 30- January 31, 2010
*You will only be required to be there FOR ONE OF THE DAYS - either Saturday or Sunday.
U11 - Sunday, January 31st - 8AM to 10AM
U12 - Sunday, January 31st - 10AM to 12PM
U13 - Sunday, January 31st - 12PM to 2PM
FRESHMEN - Saturday, January 30th - 4PM to 6PM
SOPHOMORE - Saturday, January 30th - 6PM to 8PM
JUNIOR - Saturday, January 30th - 8PM to 10PM
Please back up your statement, "Placed 56 athletes to date successfully in the NCAA" (sic) or revise it to read "56 athletes who played for Edge are now in the NCAA".
Who are you to say that it wasn't the individual player's Junior team or U.S. prep school who placed them? Or even their own or their family's efforts?
Posted on Dec 10, 2009, 2:06 PM from IP address 64.17.63.198
Does it really matter, the main thing is that they helped with that many boys and maybe opened a few more doors than what they may have had.
congrats to all
Posted on Dec 10, 2009, 2:51 PM from IP address 99.227.226.90
I might have helped one or two of those kids, even in a small way, can I credit myself with "placing" them in the NCAA? No.
Joe's point is completely valid, has been discussed on the OLA Fan Forum to no end apparently and still results in misleading statements from Edge. I mean, if Edge acts as a agent, then make that clear.
"Misleading advertising occurs when a claim about a product or service is materially false or misleading, in an attempt to persuade the consumer to buy it."
So I guess it does matter.
Skennen
...Tsitshoh...
Posted on Dec 10, 2009, 3:02 PM from IP address 198.103.221.51
the edge, while it is what it is (dont know too much about it), it is still helping kids better themselves as lax players, and helping them acheive their goals. get off the bitter bus and applaud them for their efforts (while it may be a money grab) it is still helping kids take their game to the next level. I credit edge for their efforts. i know when i was 10-15 years younger, I would have loved to have been apart of this, for the love of the game. it sounds like they go on some pretty solid tournaments and play the best competition out there, offering these kids some great exposure. I would just like to see people take it easy on the critisicm. Joe Cee I know you didnt take a cheap shot at the edge, but come on. lighten up
Posted on Dec 10, 2009, 3:32 PM from IP address 76.78.52.112
Boy I've seen a lot of chatter and vitriol on one single word from a US Federal Reserve Communique, but to get all bent out of shape over the word "placed" in a large Press Release just smacks of over kill.
Perhaps some perspective is required. At no point did I read that "playing Edge means your child WILL ABSOLUTELY get a scholarship" in the simple word "placed". Perchance did they mean it to state that 56 Edge-heads have gone on to play NCAA Lax and that they "helped" these young men (and women?) achieve some measure of their personal goal??????????
Hardly false advertising. Perhaps an over-zealous attempt at promotion.
Posted on Dec 10, 2009, 4:12 PM from IP address 142.245.59.9
Funny how when Edge is criticized, all the apologists come out of the closet and not one word from Edge thus far. And whether you have been following the O-L-A Fan Forum for the past few years or not, you will see that Joe Cee's criticism isn't anything new here nor at the board tables of some minor associations. It is not like this is some sudden "issue" that just came up.
Is Edge somehow exempt from critcism because "they are helping the kids?" That is a steaming load of crap. If that is the case then no criticism for anyone in lacrosse - even the OLA - because they are all just trying to 'help the kids better themselves.' If it is good enough for Spartan Intermediates, Green Gaels, Six Nations or Orangeville it is good enough for Edge. If they don't like it, let them advertise elsewhere. (I sure hope they are helping Ron out with the upkeep of this site since it is one of their main means of advertising.)
Edge is a for-profit-business advertising their services on the O-L-A Fan Forum. They have made a misleading statement in their advertising and were rightly called on it. Again. If they can't come up with appropriate copy, perhaps they ought to hire a professional like other businesses do? You know, professionalism. If they choose not to, then they deserve what they get. And if some Edge parent whose kid isn't "placed" by Edge decides to make a complaint to Consumer Affairs, well, fair is fair isn't it? It's not like 'buyer beware' is such a bad concept is it?
Skennen
...Tsisthoh...
Posted on Dec 10, 2009, 7:31 PM from IP address 70.50.188.104
Stop missing summer games for self promotion; and encouraging it for that matter. Kids miss junior ball to go play in us exhibition games, leaving their junior teams behind when they do - wrong message! Wonder if their junior coaches appreciate it.
Posted on Dec 11, 2009, 6:58 AM from IP address 24.141.196.224
I'm sure if you ask the heathy scratches sitting in the stands after a two hour bus ride if they miss an edge kid in regular season game, they would say "Not a problem, let me play".
Posted on Dec 11, 2009, 1:48 PM from IP address 216.191.52.74
Of course that's what the healthy scratches would say but that's not what the coaches would want. They couldn't care less about an Edge team winning its games.
Posted on Dec 11, 2009, 2:32 PM from IP address 64.119.102.172
...this for-profit group could have phrased their CONTRIBUTION to past customers' "success", but by using the word "placed", they infer sole responsibility, acting as the sole agent for placement - something anyone familiar with NCAA recruiting knows is far from factual.
No NCAA coach in his right mind would commit athletic scholarship funds to a student-athlete without checking with a number of sources, and becoming familiar with the player's entire sports resume.
If they are going to use public forums to advertise their services, they should be subject to ALL of the advertising standards and laws applicable to any commercial entity.
Posted on Dec 11, 2009, 10:05 AM from IP address 216.121.134.212
People sit here and whine and bitch about the lack of promotion and information regarding teams and players in lacrosse.
The second someone does do something, everyone is down their throat... then we go back to bitching about the lack of information and promotion.
First of all, no one else has stepped up to promote these kids. "Oh Edge didn't develop these guys, the minor teams did"... well then why the hell aren't they on here promoting what these young men have accomplished? If they really cared that much, that is exactly what they would do.
And if they aren't willing to do that, why on earth would you get so damn offended about Edge making a statement like this? At least we get to hear some information on these guys every now and then.
Posted on Dec 11, 2009, 11:12 AM from IP address 209.29.115.170
Firstly, I think you are mistaken about the object of the complaints about the lack of promotion or information about lacrosse. I believe that the vast majority of those complaints are directed towards objects outside of the O-L-A Fan Forum - such as general Canadian print or TV media, the OLA or CLA website, etc.
The performance of the O-L-A Fan Forum with regard to information sharing or game promotion can be seen with even a cursory glance through the pages created during the season. There is PLENTY of information about players, teams, standings, contacts, leagues ETC. on the O-L-A Fan Forum, mostly provided by unpaid sources.
So making a statement like, "First of all, no one else has stepped up to promote these kids." not only ignores the efforts of practically every poster on this site, but it simply doesn't hold water with what actually goes on behind the scenes - at least in my part of the province.
As for "damn offended", well, the devil is in the details isn't it?
Skennen
...Tsitshoh...
Posted on Dec 11, 2009, 11:39 AM from IP address 198.103.221.51
"Firstly, I think you are mistaken about the object of the complaints about the lack of promotion or information about lacrosse. I believe that the vast majority of those complaints are directed towards objects outside of the O-L-A Fan Forum - such as general Canadian print or TV media, the OLA or CLA website, etc."
I'd argue that it doesn't really matter, and starting off small is where you will see the benefit. Getting news about Lacrosse is like pulling teeth, and it's not going to magically appear in major news feeds without it starting off small.
"The performance of the O-L-A Fan Forum with regard to information sharing or game promotion can be seen with even a cursory glance through the pages created during the season. There is PLENTY of information about players, teams, standings, contacts, leagues ETC. on the O-L-A Fan Forum, mostly provided by unpaid sources."
And there's also a lack of information... for instance, what teams are in and out for JR B next year? This has been decided for a while now and information slowly leaks through. Yes, there is some valuable information here and those that put the effort in do a great job. But I think your definition and my definition of plenty must be completely different. That's not a knock on anyone who does provide information, it's just the situation we have.
"So making a statement like, "First of all, no one else has stepped up to promote these kids." not only ignores the efforts of practically every poster on this site, but it simply doesn't hold water with what actually goes on behind the scenes - at least in my part of the province."
Well, where is the information then?
Do a search on this forum. Grab the names of some of these kids and find out who writes about them, then you tell me that I'm off base.
Go to google... type in site:network54.com the players name
And then you tell me who posted about where that player is heading to school.
It's not about ignoring the efforts of posters... far from it. The efforts of people who come here and provide information is commendable. The problem is there isn't nearly enough. Not enough information and not enough promotion.
"As for "damn offended", well, the devil is in the details isn't it?"
The right to be offended was forfeited when no one else put the information forward.
Posted on Dec 11, 2009, 12:16 PM from IP address 209.29.115.170
"People sit here and whine and bitch about the lack of promotion and information regarding teams and players in lacrosse."
So far the most recent example of this is you. If you are going to reference yourself to make a vague point is only fair that I point out that the cause - and results - rest solely with you. Don't drag me into your shortcomings.
But in fact it does matter what medium is being complained about and if you expect that an anonymous Internet forum that is used by mostly volunteers doesn't meet your expectations, then again, that is your problem. Start your own forum and see if you can do better. o_O
"The right to be offended was forfeited when no one else put the information forward."
Red herring. You are trying to draw my response of a limited and specific issue into another matter entirely. The complaint about the advertisement from Edge is limited and specific. If you want to debate about the quality of this forum with regard to information about specific players, then start a new thread.
Skennen
...Tsitshoh...
Posted on Dec 11, 2009, 2:55 PM from IP address 198.103.221.51
"So far the most recent example of this is you. If you are going to reference yourself to make a vague point is only fair that I point out that the cause - and results - rest solely with you. Don't drag me into your shortcomings."
Are you for real? Would you like me to provide a reference like with the hundreds of examples (this year alone) regarding complaints about a lack of information on lacrosse in this province? And who is dragging you in to my short comings?
"But in fact it does matter what medium is being complained about and if you expect that an anonymous Internet forum that is used by mostly volunteers doesn't meet your expectations, then again, that is your problem. Start your own forum and see if you can do better. o_O"
I don't expect anything, and I'm curious as to where this is coming from. This has nothing to do with my expectations about what this forum should be. In fact, I'd argue that anyone who was interested in arguing in good faith would clearly see that. I'm curious as to why you are trying to turn this into a "Derek hates the unofficial ola because it isn't good enough for him", when clearly that's not true. What my issue involves is people who complain about information being passed on because they don't like how it was worded. Is that really what the problem is? Because they used the word placed instead of helped place? Is arguing over semantics that important to everyone?
"Red herring. You are trying to draw my response of a limited and specific issue into another matter entirely. The complaint about the advertisement from Edge is limited and specific. If you want to debate about the quality of this forum with regard to information about specific players, then start a new thread."
Yeah... the complaint was that they used the word place, which again is the same complaint made whenever Edge makes a comment. I'm not making it into another matter entirely, the complaint is the basis for my arguement. I'm not suggesting that Edge should be untouchable... what I'm saying is they shouldn't be critiqued for their language usage when no one from those organizations bothers to provide the information they are.
Instead of blasting edge for saying they "placed" a player, spend your time promoting how your organization has helped these players along.
Posted on Dec 11, 2009, 4:05 PM from IP address 209.29.115.170
"... what I'm saying is they shouldn't be critiqued for their language usage when no one from those organizations bothers to provide the information they are."
So a business can post misleading advertising on the O-L-A Fan Forum and so long as they provide information about a small group of their paying clients it should be okay because minor organizations don't post that information? Is this what you are trying to say? Because I think this is your key point isn't it?
Skennen
...Tsitshoh...
Posted on Dec 11, 2009, 4:41 PM from IP address 70.50.188.104
hey thisosh.
you can say take the promotion of the edge else where blah blah blah.
nothing against whatever language you speak, but take it else where! this is an english speaking forum!
Posted on Dec 11, 2009, 1:02 PM from IP address 76.78.52.112
I wouldn't have known this was an "english" forum by your post. Pidgen English maybe; or some form of English devoid of proper salutation, grammar or simple sentence structure perhaps? Next time you write "english" capitalize it there Mr. English Professor.
Skennen
...Tsitshoh...
Posted on Dec 11, 2009, 2:43 PM from IP address 198.103.221.51
Chances are if you getting involved in a debate about schools ect, your bound to get an educated answer! If you expect less, well www.wikipedia.org or www.tmz.com should be able to stimulate your mind.
Posted on Dec 11, 2009, 3:15 PM from IP address 142.176.11.17
your grammer is amazing. mine is lack-luster. is there nothing else to do, other than post on this forum?
as terrific as your grammer is, this is a lacrosse forum. have you ever played? i will go out on a limb and say no, which is fine. but man i wouldnt want to comment on a game ive only ever watched from the sidelines!
bottom line, the edge has been very successful!
Posted on Dec 11, 2009, 11:23 PM from IP address 76.78.52.112
who cares if he has played. i can tell you many fathers who have never played, that have spent 40 years watching their sons play, might offer a more valuable opinion of the game that half the snot nosed kids that post on this forum can.
but then again, his post is doubly irrelevant due to the fact he didnt sign his name.
ridiculous.
Posted on Dec 11, 2009, 11:46 PM from IP address 65.93.137.190
I don't think it is necessary to justify myself to you and here is why:
I was in the cereal aisle of a grocery store once and ahead of me was a mom and her little boy. Her son was skipping all over the aisle looking at all the packages until he spotted one brightly coloured box with a picture of a cheerful cartoon character on the front. He immediately grabbed the box, cleverly placed in the second-from-the-bottom shelf, and ran to his mom telling her he wanted this. She took the box from him and while telling him she had already gotten cereal (the non-sugar kind) she placed the box back on the shelf. Her little son again exclaimed to her that he wanted it, he wanted it, he wanted it. She explained to him again, no, and told him she had already gotten cereal. So he ran up to her and gave her a slap on the leg and then stood there, tears welling up in his eyes. She bent down, looked at him and, while waving a finger in his face, loudly told him to 'be nice.'
This story illustrates a key concept of the maturity of children. When a child lacks the thinking and language skills necessary to articulate convincingly, they will invariably lash out in frustration. Sometimes it is a slap at a mothers leg, sometimes it is a tantrum in the kindergarten class and other times it is bullying in the schoolyard. But the cause is usually the same.
Now PopPsych 101 aside, we often find this concept of maturity present on Internet forums where a poster - lacking the thinking and language skills necessary to articulate a convincing point - falls back on the only sure skill they possess and that is to lash out and attack someone personally. You can go back and examine the postings if you like. You'll see what I mean. Posters like Cee, Rook, Blasutti and others argue for and against the ideas, not the people. They might use special language devices to get their point across, but inevitably their interest is in the ideas. That is why people respect them. But certain others, lacking the skills to be able to argue with any sort of civilized efficiency, end up being insulting and boorish. So my suggestion to you is that perhaps next semester you may wish to take a class in rhetoric, logic and perhaps reading comprehension. Just a suggestion.
Now if you wish to get into a long winded exchange of trading insults, I have a whole repertoire of really good ones that I could lay down on you just for fun. But I also have a bunch of essays on the geography and human occupation patterns of the Great Lakes region in the early Holocene to get through too. I think I will go with the latter for now and trust that our exchange has run it's course.
PS - when I first played lacrosse all the players used wooden sticks and the goalies looked more like catchers in baseball. But that is neither here nor there. I'm just saying.
Skennen
...Tsitshoh...
Posted on Dec 12, 2009, 9:29 AM from IP address 70.50.188.104
A friend of mine asked for the definition of a person who tends to not know when enough is enough. I wasn't sure but thought you might know. Please keep your response to twenty words or less
Thanks
Posted on Dec 12, 2009, 11:58 AM from IP address 173.35.76.89
forgive my ignorance.
i was just fed up with everyone hating on edge !
nothing personal. and yes i suppose my "speak english" comment was out of line. just a pitiful attempt to get my point across. you win.
Posted on Dec 12, 2009, 12:27 PM from IP address 76.78.52.112
Boy good thing your mother straightened you out in a hurry. Besides too much sugar isn't good for growing kids.
And another point is when people try to portray themselves as intellectually better then others, such as talking down to people. Regardless of the intellect people can still have a valid point. Some just decide to get their point out there instead of writing small essays and talking in circles.Besides if memeory serves me, you have on occassion attacked the individual not the thread. Oh and when you were a youth they probably used catalogues for shin pads.
Posted on Dec 12, 2009, 4:35 PM from IP address 66.11.93.15
The minor leagues don't self promote like Edge, because Edge turns players into profit! Which is irrelevent to the issue but thats an apples and oranges comparison. Put all minor coaches on a commission salary and I bet there is alot more promo in the minor leagues!
Posted on Dec 11, 2009, 12:40 PM from IP address 142.176.11.17
Because minor organizations don't profit off the players, they have no need to promote?
That's not only ridiculous, extremely short sighted.
It's not like you need to dump a tonne of cash or time into doing it. Just pick a name of one of the recruitment lists. How hard is it for someone to go out and do a quick "Congratulations to for . is proud to have been involved with the development of through his minor days and wish him all the success in the future.
Does one require commission for this?
Again, if these organizations were that concerned about how these players are portrayed by others, perhaps they shouldn't have been silent. And if they aren't concerned enough to say something, why are others complaining?
Posted on Dec 11, 2009, 3:23 PM from IP address 209.29.115.170
I doubt I would qualify as an "apologist" for anyone let alone Edge Inc. They are not immune from criticism and nor should they be.
The point I am trying to make is that a little too much emphasis was placed by Mr. Cee and Mr. Tsitsoh on the word "placed" in Edge Inc's Press release.
Had they used the line "solely responsible for placing" then I can see how that would be erroneous and certainly ripe for harsh criticism.
Posted on Dec 11, 2009, 11:25 AM from IP address 142.245.59.3
The clear meaning of the statement (without even considering their past statements in this regard) made by Edge is that the placement is being made and is attributable to Edge. I wonder if they include in that 56 the kids that played with them and didn't get an NCAA offer until they attended a U.S. prep school?
Posted on Dec 11, 2009, 1:05 PM from IP address 64.17.63.198
I have yet to read a press release that doesn't espouse the wonderfulness of the company. The next Press Release I read that also mentions how great other competing companies are will be the first one I read.
In this spirit I would like to promote myself and my wonderfulness as I am directly responsible for placing 4 Edgies (Edgers?) in the NCAA and indirectly responsible for Mr. Dylan Webster also going down south next fall (Because he scored so many goals against my team as he grew up I should get something out of it, no?)
Hope on board gentlemen. It's lots of fun to speak positively about your role in helping young men do something exciting in their lives. Much better than to parse words and divine intention from a singular word in a document with hundreds of words.
Posted on Dec 11, 2009, 3:02 PM from IP address 142.245.193.9
"Much better than to parse words and divine intention from a singular word in a document with hundreds of words."
Not quite. There is no real parsing or divining going on since the intention here was to simply illustrate the misleading nature of a statement not a "singular word." There are likely many examples in Canadian jurisprudence where the placement of certain words or phrases gives weight to a particular interpretation of a text - whether that is an official document, a contract or other text intended for public use. Kind of like saying "press release" in place of "advertisement." I mean, a rose by any other name...
If you want to proclaim your wonderfulness that is your right. But the moment your wonderfulness becomes a business you are subject to the same levels of scrutiny as any other business in consumer land and that certainly includes any public statements you make concerning your business. If you don't think this type of consumer scrutiny is a good idea, come right out and make that clear.
Skennen
...Tsitshoh...
Posted on Dec 11, 2009, 4:23 PM from IP address 70.50.188.104
What's interesting is that it's the same 2 people who rip on Edge when ever they post something. Is it personal? Or are you 2 just jealous? This can be debated for ever as long as there are people for such a program and those against. But answer me this gentlemen. Without such programs would there be the same level of exposure to so many or go back to the elitist way and only a chosen few get the opportunity because daddy has his nose so far up somebody's back side?
Posted on Dec 11, 2009, 9:03 PM from IP address 24.150.126.109
"the same 2 people who rip on Edge when ever they post something."
If that is what you think, then either your thinking is out of whack or you have an inner ear problem. Do you get dizzy when you walk? If not then I publically challenge youhere to prove that " the same 2 people ...rip on Edge when ever they post something.". The fact is, "the same 2 people" hardly ever comment when Edge posts anything. Why don't you do a little research instead of making ridiculous and prejudiced generalizations based on your lazy and thoughtless observations?
"But answer me this gentlemen...Without such programs..."
This has already been answered more than once by people far more in the know than you or I. If you want to discuss elitism, then start another thread. But I can tell you now that poor behaviour by someone in a minor association is no excuse for poor behaviour by Edge or LEAP or the Hill or anyone else. And the last thing any of us here should succumb to is a repression of discussing those issues here in the open.
Skennen
...Tsitshoh...
Posted on Dec 13, 2009, 10:58 AM from IP address 70.50.188.104
Glad you had the good sense to not "lash out and attack someone personally" or "end up being insulting and boorish" like other uneducated posters who you are clearly superior to.
Posted on Dec 13, 2009, 6:53 PM from IP address 173.32.108.132
Out of the 56 players that were "Placed," how many kids were not in fact placed? because I am sure if you put thoes 56 players in percentage values, the number would look more like 5%. Just my two cents.
Posted on Dec 11, 2009, 8:45 AM from IP address 142.176.11.17
I understand what you are saying but they are basing that number on the fact that as a company that have "placed," 56 kids right? not this year but as a company in general. So basically they run 9 teams according to their website. Now that being said each team would probably average say roughly 30 players so that would be 270 players THIS YEAR! so do the math and yes 1100 isn't that scary of a number...Not to mention how many kids they turn away due to the try out process to make their teams. I am not down playing what they do, frankly if the parents put up the dough then hey it's their choice but if you do the math...lacrosse is just like hockey...just more of a concentrated community.
Posted on Dec 11, 2009, 12:35 PM from IP address 142.176.11.17
Do they openly tell you to not expect to be recruited unless you are on one of the two teams you mentioned? because on their website they offer full player bio's and video for coaches on all of the teams they have listed. So it looks like their promo is how well they can promo your kid. Again, pretty misleading.
Posted on Dec 11, 2009, 12:57 PM from IP address 142.176.11.17
We were talking numbers so if you look at it in regards to that, the % is higher. But really that's not the issue. It is very difficult to get recruited. Regardless of who did what or whether they come from Hill / Edge / ... ... . We as a lacrosse community should be pleased that our Canadian kids are getting an education and the opportunity to play NCAA.
Posted on Dec 11, 2009, 1:04 PM from IP address 216.191.52.74
I don't think they have 270 new players each year.
I don't think you can fault them for the fact that of those 9 teams, 6 of them can't be directly recruited from. You are actually faulting them because their U11, U13, etc... teams aren't old enough.
So no, I don't think it's anywhere near 1100... not even close. If you want a perspective on the "success rate" go with the players who have gone through the senior team.
Posted on Dec 11, 2009, 3:17 PM from IP address 209.29.115.170
...it's not "their" success rate. Unless you can tell me that Mark Cockerton wouldn't be going to Virginia and Zach Palmer and Robert Koger wouldn't be at Hopkins and Georgetown, respectively, without Edge.
Posted on Dec 11, 2009, 3:33 PM from IP address 64.17.63.198
i dont think one should look at success rate as much as promotion of the game and keeping kids involved! the edge is only helping grow the sport! "the more the marrier!"
Posted on Dec 11, 2009, 11:32 PM from IP address 76.78.52.112
...would be my answer. I suspect that if one were to crunch the numbers you would discover that the advent of Edge has not had that significant of an impact on the numbers of Canadians heading south. There are still lots of kids heading south who have never played for Edge.
Posted on Dec 11, 2009, 1:02 PM from IP address 64.17.63.198
I sat there and did math in my head without even really applying out of wack figures and....it really just does not add up in my opinion. Like I said if the parents pay...the more power too them.
Posted on Dec 11, 2009, 1:04 PM from IP address 142.176.11.17
LACROSSE IN ENGLAND
THE CANADIAN TEAM DOWN IN A COAL MINE
THE TORONTO GLOBE
AUGUST 1883
(Story excerpts)
On Tuesday morning eight of the team mustered up sufficient courage to accept an invitation to visit the Hebburn Colliery, a mine near Newcastle. We embarked on a remarkably shaky and dingy looking steamer and sailed for about five miles on what appeared both to our sight and smell to be a gigantic sewer, but which I believe they call the River Tyne. The superintendent met us at the landing and escorted us to the pit mouth. Judging from the blanched faces of the crowd when they looked into the hole they had to descend, I should say it wouldn't have taken a great deal to persuade them to abandon the trip. Taking our places in a dirty, dripping cage, in which there was barely room for us to crouch, the signal was given and we plunged downwards. It is a terrible sensation, and I for one don't care to experience it again. The distance down was 365 yards and I don't suppose the journey occupied a minute, but it seemed fully fifteen. The bottom of the shaft reached, we found ourselves apparently in another world. About a dozen low, black tunnels extended in every direction, each tunnel having a railway laid along it, and the only lights the tiny safety lamps used by the miners and by the drivers of the horses which were pulling the coal wagons up to the bottom of the shaft. Before starting out along the particular tunnel that we were to inspect, all our lamps were carefully examined and locked, and then with the superintendent in front and an overseer behind, we set out. The roof was about five feet high, the most of us stood about six feet, you can imagine the comfortable position we had to assume. We walked due north for 1,000 yards, passing under the Tyne on our way, and after seeing a few miners at work and losing each about ten pounds through perspiration, we trudged back again to our starting point and resuming our cramped-up position in the dirty cage, were hauled up to the top. I never was so glad in my life before to see daylight, and am perfectly content to spend the remainder of my days above ground.
We got back to Newcastle by railway, our voyage on the Tyne being enough for us, and had barely time to catch the train for Darlington, where we arrived about four o'clock and played to a very fair attendance at six. Leaving early in the morning, we reached York about eleven, and found that city en fete in honour of the visit of the Prince of Wales to the Agricultural Fair. It was impossible to procure accommodation at any of the hotels, as every place was literally jammed, and we were compelled to do the best we could at the station dinning-rooms. We played two matches, one in the afternoon and one in the evening. The attendance was miserably small at both of them, and had not a number of our fellow voyagers on the Sarnia been among the spectators, I don't believe we would have played. It was a great mistake going to York during the Exhibition week, as everybody was there to see the show and not to see us. By this they betrayed their bad taste, as the show was not worth looking at and we were.
Stay tuned for teepeesforever's next instalment...push on you weary lacrossists to rainy Manchester.
Posted on Dec 10, 2009, 7:42 AM from IP address 69.196.188.166
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Posted on Dec 9, 2009, 9:23 PM from IP address 74.12.44.251
Hi Ron. This is Stephen Stamp--I do colour for the Lakers' games. I have some questions and would like to chat with you a bit. Could you email me at stephenstamp@hotmail.com with the best way to get in touch with you, please?
Thanks
Posted on Dec 10, 2009, 11:03 AM from IP address 72.38.57.19
No idea, but it sure would be great to see major lacrosse back in St. Catharines. There are a lot of great players in the area that have to travel big distances to play major from the Niagara region. Even a Sr B team would be great for the Niagara region.
Posted on Dec 9, 2009, 8:55 PM from IP address 216.121.180.103
On Monday morning, July 16, the teams left Newcastle-on-Tyne for Sunderland to play for the benefit of the sufferers from the terrible accident there. The arrangement was to play one match at Sunderland and one at Houghton-le-Spring, a village near by. On our arrival we were met by Mr. Thompson, the Secretary of the Sunderland Cricket Club, who had a couple of large brakes waiting, in which we drove to Houghton-le-Spring. After inspecting the village, which looked as if it had been buried for a hundred years and had been recently disinterred, we were entertained at lunch by a number of residents of the place and vicinity, with the Hon. And Rev. Mr. Grey, uncle of the Earl of Durham, presiding. After lunch we adjourned to the cricket ground, which was already packed with people. By the way, a public half-holiday had been proclaimed, in order to enable everybody to attend the match. Lady Grey started the game by making a very good throw, under the careful tuition of W. K. McNaught, who was acting as captain. The ground was very rough and was decidedly the worst we had yet played on, and the Indians "went for us," and after a hard fight the match ended in a draw, both sides being pretty well cut up.
Getting into the brakes again, we drove back to Sunderland and played on the cricket ground there. We had a much larger attendance and a first-class ground to play on, and having a few little "crows to pick" with the Indians for the rough play at Houghton-le-Spring, we pitched into them in earnest and made a decidedly lively match, which the people of Sunderland seemed to enjoy immensely. At the conclusion the Mayor delivered a short speech, thanking Dr. Beers and the teams for their sympathy and assistance, and assuring them of a cordial reception should they ever visit Sunderland again. I believe about 80 pounds was realized by the matches.
Defensive Midfield
Mike Holder, Laurentian (Orillia, ON)
CUFLA All-Canadians
East Division
Attack
Chad Evans, Trent (Peterborough, ON)
Corey Fowler, Carleton (Niagara On The Lake, ON)
Alex Kruse, McGill (Oakville, ON)
6 selections for Guelph (6-4), a combined 3 for Mac(7-3)/Brock(10-0) who were in the finals? Even one for Laurentian? Were there some pity votes involved?
Posted on Dec 8, 2009, 2:01 PM from IP address 216.121.180.103
Ok well some picks are very deserving but come, Guelph with all their picks and Lost 4 games?? Carelton with 5 players almost **** my pants(especially defense i believe they gave up 18 twice this yr). To me some of the defense picks in both divisions are very very questionable as well as FOG position( seeing both the FOG's got beat majority of the time by players more valuable to their teams). Anyway disappointed in these decisions........ Also would of left Chad Evans off the board after seeing his playoff performance, but hey i guess points against the bottom feeders in the west every yr and now the east this yr get you some votes.
Take Care
Posted on Dec 8, 2009, 2:12 PM from IP address 24.235.161.73
Brock beat Guelph in both their games this year, the early-season one by one goal (a great game, I was there), the late-season game a 13-4 blowout for Brock.
Guelph finished the regular season 6-4, and bombed out of the playoffs in one game.
Western finished 5-5, and lost all 3 games they played against Brock, 2 season / 1 playoff.
Brock finished the regular season 10-0, and swept all 3 playoff games, winning the Baggataway Cup.
Guelph had the 3rd ranked defence in the Western Division, Brock had the 2nd, Western the 1st.
Guelph had the 2nd ranked offence in the Western Division, Brock had the 1st, Western 4th.
Guelph had a +/- goal differential of +30 (2nd), Brock was +66 (1st), Western +29 (3rd).
In the opening round of the playoffs, Brock beat the only team with a better defence record than them in the regular season, Western, and then improved their regular-season goals against average from 6.5 to 6.3 in the 3 playoff games.
Guelph gets 3 of the 5 selections on defence, Western gets the other 2, Brock 0.
Guelph gets 6 of the 13 overall selections, Brock 2, Western 2.
Justin Wilson-Kirby, Guelph (18/11-29 pts. season (5th), 1/1-2 pts. playoffs) gets chosen as All Canadian attack over Chris Nash, Brock (22/24-46 pts. season (1st), 7/3-10 pts. playoffs (2nd), including 4/1-5 pts. in the championship game (1st).
And you thought the NBA was corrupt after the Donahy revelations?!
Wait a minute... I think I hear Coldplay singing "I Will Fix You" in the background.
It must be lonely at the top, Brock.
Posted on Dec 9, 2009, 2:56 PM from IP address 216.121.134.212
Of the West "All Canadians" picked at the 3 Attack spots, only 1, Mike McLeod-Brock, finished in the top 3 in league scoring (33 points). Justin Wilson-Kirby was 5th (29), and the other guy, Carter Williams-McMaster, was 4th (32).
Kyle Dorosh-Western, finished 2nd in the division in scoring (38 points, and he played for a team that on offense stalled half of their games away). He put up 3 points in Western's only playoff game, vs. Wilson-Kirby's 2 in his only game, and Williams' 4 in 3 games (Williams was shut out in the final against Brock, and if Willams is All Canadian, then big #6 for Brock should be All World, he dominated Williams in the final). Nash and McLeod finished 1 and 3 in scoring, and both had great performances in the playoffs (tied with 7 goals and 3 assists each).
So my picks for attack would have been Nash, Dorosh, and McLeod.
Posted on Dec 9, 2009, 4:26 PM from IP address 216.121.134.212
I agree that Nash got shafted, but if you watched this Carter Williams play you would know why he was an all Canadian. The guy took over games and was almost the only reason they moved on past Guelph. I was at the Guelph Mac game and when down 7-2 he sparked the comeback by getting 3 straight goals and making Guelph change there defense to cover him. I also watched Western play Guelph once and Brock twice and Mac once and the only people on their team ho deserved consideration were Nano, Pitre and Cavanagh sorry, their offense was awful. There was a few people that were arguably shafted, and i think Brock has more to be pissed at then anyone else, but nothing can be done now
Posted on Dec 9, 2009, 6:09 PM from IP address 216.121.187.135
and Carter Willams laid double goose eggs - Zero goals, Zero assists (might have had 2 shots all game). I don't know where you got your numbers, but the CUFLA website has Williams scoring 3 goals/1 assist IN 3 GAMES played in the playoffs, so according to you, he really only showed up for 1 of them.
Brock did nothing special to defend Williams in the final, they didn't have to. They just put their biggest pole, Reid on him man-to-man the entire game. Reid completely shut him down. Williams didn't leave the perimeter more than once or twice (might as well have watched the game with us in the stands).
At the other end of the field, Nash was busy putting up 4 goals and a dime (to compliment the 5 points by McLeod for Brock) in what turned out to be a one-goal win. For the 3 playoff games, he was 7 goals/3 assists. The regular season was NO CONTEST - Nash #1 scorer/46 points in 10 games, Williams #4 with 32 points in 10 games.
Some people say stats are for losers, but it's pretty simple to see that the CUFLA decided to play politics with the All Canadian choices (at least one player from every team) instead of rewarding those who earned it with superior play.
It's harder to assess poles and D-middies for who is the best, but with attack men, it's pretty easy, and Nash should have been the 1st one selected, not the 4th or worse.
It's also pretty easy to see that it should have been Brock with 6 (or more) All Canadians (13-0, best goals for, 2nd best goals against), not Guelph (6-5, 2nd in goals for (27 behind Brock), and 3rd in goals against).
The 2009 All Canadian Team - West Division CUFLA is a joke because of the politics involved in choosing it.
Posted on Dec 9, 2009, 9:28 PM from IP address 216.121.134.212
If you are going by playoff points, number 26 (i believe) for Mcmaster should get the nod. The guy came off the bench every game to lead the playoffs in scoring (in goals(11) and point (14)). And McMaster was not blowing teams out by any means, these were tight games. Where was his consideration in your logic?
Posted on Dec 9, 2009, 10:41 PM from IP address 24.141.44.213
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the coaches place their votes after the regular season, before the playoffs. Playoff points shouldn't count in any of these considerations.
Posted on Dec 9, 2009, 11:57 PM from IP address 216.121.180.103
...Nash was by far #1 scoring in West. If they included (not looked ONLY at)the playoffs, he was still by far #1 overall. For the playoffs only, he was still #2, AND THEY WON THE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME, with Nash scoring 4G/1A-5 points McLeod had 5 points in the final as well)
As an Attack, what more could he have possibly done to be All Canadian?
By the way, #26 Mac (Kevin McCrory) 7G/3A-10 points in 9 games regular season, 11G/3A-14 points playoffs (5G/1A in the final)... deserved consideration for playoff MVP, but not All Canadian based on weak regular season.
Posted on Dec 10, 2009, 5:21 PM from IP address 216.121.134.212
Hogwash! Nash was robbed! Yes, you're all right. The votes were taken after the final, which makes the results even more ridiculous. A fourth place team should not have more selections than a team that beat them twice and had a four game spread in the standings. The final Brock -Guelph game was a blow out!
Bishop's also has a gripe with only one selection; while Carleton, a team they topped in the standings had four.
What game were they watching? Part of outstanding play is team play. The best teams were Brock and Mac. Go figure.
Posted on Dec 15, 2009, 10:30 AM from IP address 216.121.186.75
We've got every minor program in the province, the EDGE program and the Hill Academy all geared up to prepare young Canadian lacrosse players to go to the United States and play college lacrosse. Its the way we measure our success. "Our kid is going to Hopkins!"
You can get a scholarship. If you're lucky enough to get a full ride, and few do. Off you go. Lacrosse teams aren't financed like football and coaches only have so many scholarship dollars to go around. Half tuition at Hobart College is over $20 000. The coach thinks he's giving you a good deal. You just have to pay the other $20 000 to make up the full tuition fee.
Some argue that you'll get a better education. You may, if you go to an Ivy League school, although McGill and U of T would argue there is little difference. We send kids to Wobigon State or Bob Jones College and promote it like we've done something great.Few American schools have the academic standing of Canadian universities.
We're not producing better lacrosse players for a professional career as in football or hockey.
The lacrosse is better. I guess it is. But if we sent 150 of our best kids to Canadian programs, they would be better too.
For every Mike French and Zack Greer we have a bus load of wrecks who try the American route and fail. Too far from home, harsh training methods or poor study habits are common barriers.
We can send our kids to our schools give them a better education and do it all at a fraction of the price. So, why are we building a minor system for U.S. colleges?
Posted on Dec 8, 2009, 9:56 AM from IP address 216.121.186.75
"Too far from home, harsh training methods or poor study habits"....I hope you're not suggesting that any of these so called "common barriers" don't occur in Canada.
Posted on Dec 8, 2009, 10:42 AM from IP address 69.10.231.167
The student athlete experience at an NCAA school is COMPLETELY different than playing here in Canada. For kids who take their lacrosse seriously, the NCAA is the best route. It's not even about calibre (where the NCAA will knock out any Canadian school 98 times out of 100 - yes...even Brock), but about the legitimacy of a program. The games, the facilities, the apparel, the schedules, the coaches, the awards, the coverage. Until Canadian schools start taking their athletic programs seriously, most student athletes will head South.
And as for the kids who fail out in the states, how many of them come back to Canadian schools (ie Brock) and still fail out? Without the dedication to academics, you will fail no matter where you are.
Posted on Dec 8, 2009, 12:31 PM from IP address 70.50.212.144
... as far as the cost of schooling in the U.S., an excellent student (superior high school marks, combined with high S.A.T. score) can receive SIGNIFICANT academic financial support (scholarships, bursaries, grants) to add to whatever athletic award the recruiting coach is willing and able to offer, and often make the total cost of a U.S. education significantly LESS than that of a Canadian one, and sometimes (not often) even a "full-ride" (combined academic/athletic support).
This applies particularly in the case of lacrosse, as the CUFLA is not "CIS" governed/affiliated, and as such, there is no financial support available to lacrosse student-athletes, whereas limited athletic "scholarship" money IS available to CIS football/basketball/hockey/etc. student-athletes.
Some, if not most CUFLA teams have to charge players a fee to play on top of tuition/residence/etc. In the case of B.C.'s Simon Fraser U. (playing in the U.S. "club" league), that fee is in the thousands of dollars (see their website).
I know this for a fact, as I have one son who played 5 years for a CUFLA school, and one who is currently in the NCAA.
... as far as the quality of education, there are degrees/diplomas on both sides of the border that are superior, and some that are inferior (in Canada, university degrees are generally viewed as superior to community college, and some schools are viewed as superior in academics (see the annual McLeans university rating issue) to others at both levels). It all depends on what the player is looking for in academics AND athletics.
The wise ones realize they are going to play lacrosse for a few years, but carry their degree/diploma for the rest of their life, and they make their decisions accordingly.
... as far as straight comparison of U.S. vs. CDN field programs, there is none. U.S. schools, even the D3 and "Club" teams train year-round for field lacrosse, with "voluntary" workout programs "suggested" for their athletes even during school breaks. The CDN field season is short, and often considered as something to do between box seasons.
As I've said before, Canadian players may, in general, have some unique skills and characteristics that translate very well to field as a result of the time spent playing box, but we can learn an awful lot from the U.S. about preparing for, training for, and promoting the growth of the field game.
There are a great many CDN players that truly benefit from being exposed to BOTH systems.
Posted on Dec 8, 2009, 1:51 PM from IP address 216.121.134.212
Thanks for that reply 'laxncaafan' which appears to be firmly grounded in reality. A couple of things though:
Financial assistance is regularly given out to Canadian university students in the form of scholarships, grants and bursuries, especially for top students or those in need. However, if I understand correctly, there are no athletic scholarships in Ontario. (but there appears to be some for Laval football!) So really, on average, we are talking only about the value of the NCAA athletic award.
It would be nice to have some information on the value of that award as a percentage of tuition compared to the cost of the Canadian university education on average and how many NCAA Canadians actually achieve that award percentage on the mean. I am sure someone has the figures. Maybe they'll share...
I understand that some NCAA schools offer sliding financial incentives where you get a percentage more of the award for each year you are on the team. If the player is not on the team, kicked off for some reason, etc., does that affect their school costs? If I understand correctly, if a player gets kicked off a CUFLA team it doesn't really jeapordize their schooling much since they are paying the same for their education whether they play or not.
"but we can learn an awful lot from the U.S. about preparing for, training for, and promoting the growth of the field game."
For what purpose - to win a world championship? Besides, they operate on a much different model than we do and when we talk about CUFLA this or CUFLA that an old saying comes to mind: you get out of something, what you put into it.
No doubt that the very top Canadian lacrosse players qualify for some very top NCAA privledges. But I think the original post was referring to everyone else - the majority I would think. If some parent wants to spend 20 or 30k per year on their kid's US college education, that is their right, they earned the money. But I also believe that they should be fully informed before doing so.
Skennen
...Tsitshoh...
Posted on Dec 8, 2009, 2:48 PM from IP address 198.103.152.51
To quote the best TV show on Monday nights: C'mon man!
"It's not even about calibre (where the NCAA will knock out any Canadian school 98 times out of 100 - yes...even Brock)"
So are you saying that Potsdam or New England College would beat Brock 98 out of 100 times? I find that very hard to believe. I think you wrote that without really thinking it through. C'mon man!
"For kids who take their lacrosse seriously, the NCAA is the best route."
Best route to what exactly? Are you saying that the top lacrosse players who have no desire to play in the NCAA don't take their lacrosse seriously or aren't taking the "best route?" C'mon man!
"Until Canadian schools start taking their athletic programs seriously, most student athletes will head South."
Are you saying that Canadian schools don't take their athletic programs seriously?? Do "most student athletes" in Canada actually head south? Can you back this up by citing a source or two? C'mon man!
C'mon man, the original poster gave you some facts and figures and you respond with public relations fluffery. At least have the decency to put some thought into what you are actually trying to say. C'mon man...
Skennen
...Tsitshoh...
Posted on Dec 8, 2009, 2:16 PM from IP address 198.103.221.51
Anyone who has played CUFLA is a great way to meet people, toss the ball around, and have a little fun during first semester. The caliber of lacrosse is not as bad as most would think (ask the guys who come from the states). Do you receive the same treatment as you would as the states as an athlete? No. Do you receive a better education? vs American top end schools? No. vs Every other no name school in the states? Yes.
Id take a Canadian school any day over some more expensive no name school in the states. Besides Box Lacrosse is the better sport anyways.
Posted on Dec 8, 2009, 9:34 PM from IP address 24.141.44.213
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Posted on Dec 8, 2009, 9:48 AM from IP address 70.50.212.144
CANADIAN LACROSSE TEAM
THINKING OF THE HOMEWARD TRIP
THE TORONTO GLOBE
JULY 1883
(Story excerpts)
Wednesday we played again at Liverpool before about 3,000 people. The attendance at both of our matches in Liverpool would have been much greater but for a stupid blunder in the matter of advertising. We did fairly well, but a little more printer's ink judiciously used would have trebled our receipts.
Leaving Liverpool at 7 a.m. Thursday, we had a long and tedious ride to Newcastle-on-Tyne, reaching there at 2 o'clock. We played from 6 to 8 on the Northumberland Cricket Grounds. The game seemed to be very well appreciated and we were looking forward to a big gate to-day, but the fates were against us and it rained all day and we sprawled around in the wet for the amusement of about 1,000 spectators.
This morning we received an invitation to go over Sir Wm. Armstrong's works. We spent almost two hours there, and were initiated into all the mysteries connected with the making of heavy guns and ammunition. It was very interesting, and very tiresome. We had a very good view from these works of the race course on the Tyne, the scene of a couple of Hanlan's victories. Hanlan seems to be almost worshipped here. Everyone with whom we had any conversation asked for him, and spoke very highly of him.
The boys are now commencing to talk about going home. I hope we will all be able to leave together so as to keep the team intact until we reach Canada, but at present it looks doubtful. Some want to go before all the engagements are carried out, others want to go immediately after the matches are finished, others want to wait for the Sarnia, the boat we came over in, and others wish to spend more time on the continent. We hope to arrange to sail on the 3rd August from Belfast by the steamship Oregon, of the Dominion Line.
I will close this letter by giving you a summary of the matches and games we have played so far, and you can see by it that we have had about enough lacrosse to do us for the rest of our lives. We have played with the Indians since we landed 41 matches, of which we have won 27, lost 9, and draws 5. In those matches there were 331 goals, of which we got 196 and the Indians 135. In addition to those, we have played the United Kingdom Team winning 12 goals and losing 1. And the Indians have played a number of times with local clubs. This record does not allow room for many idle days.
Stay tuned for teepeesforever's next instalment...the teams play benefit match for the families of 183 children killed at the Victoria Hall disaster.
Posted on Dec 8, 2009, 7:05 AM from IP address 69.165.145.64
The league is staying the same for 2010. 8 Teams and 2 divisions of 4 teams....East- Peterboro/West Durham/Clarington/Kingston ...West- Caledon/Shelburne/Innisfil/Center Wellington(Elora-Fergus).
Posted on Dec 8, 2009, 3:04 PM from IP address 64.235.108.16
SPORTING INTELLIGENCE
LACROSSE
THE TORONTO GLOBE
JULY 1883
The Canadians in England - The Liverpool Mercury of the 11th contained the following report of the match between the Canadians and Indians at Chester:- "There was a large concourse of people yesterday on the Boughton Hall Cricket Ground at Chester, to witness an exhibition match at lacrosse between the Canadian amateurs and Iroquois Indians. To the great majority of the spectators the game was perfectly new, but it became more intelligible as the match wore on, until the large assemblage became quite appreciative, and from time to time applauded the goals, attempts, "dodging," and hits. The amateurs had the best of the game from the commencement, and all their goals were cleverly got. The most conspicuous feature on the Canadian side was the fine play of L. Dwight, and at one period of the game his clever "dodging" of four Indians in succession was loudly applauded. W. D. Aird also, who is said to be one of the finest players in Canada was in splendid form, his strong points being throwing and catching. Bowie and Garvin did some splendid passing, while Cleghorn did efficient work for his team as goal-keeper. "White Eagle" distinguished himself among the Indians, who were said to play in far better spirit than usual. They only succeeded, however, in scoring two games as against six scoured by the Canadians when time was called. The dress and movements of the Indian field captain "Sawatis Aientonni" interpreted in English as "Scattered Branches" were much appreciated though it would puzzle many to put into English his summons for resuming the game, which was contained in the word or words "Se-ni-ko-ra-rak!" The play lasted two hours."
Stay tuned for teepeesforever's next instalment...back to Liverpool.
Posted on Dec 7, 2009, 7:40 AM from IP address 69.165.163.166
Who do you think the top 15 box lacrosse players are right now still playeing? Professional or they could play junior. Just thought I would get something started on here.
Posted on Dec 6, 2009, 9:34 PM from IP address 72.231.215.85
On Thursday the team played at Dewsbury on a very rough ground and one peculiarly situated, being almost 600 feet above the level of the town, and 4,000 feet above the level of the sea. Messrs. Glover and Neufield of the Leeds team, played on our side, and with their assistance the Indians managed to beat us. The following day a match was played at Bradford, and a little betting was indulged in. Some Bradford man backed the Indians and no doubt paid them to play to win. This made the game "fast and furious" but the Indians were defeated five games to four. Afterward the Bradford Club played the Canadians, and after about half an hour of "juking" the captain gave the word and our boys finished the game in the usual way games are ended.
Saturday the teams played in Wakefield on a very small ground but before a large crowd. The Indians after getting a good beating from us, took their revenge out on the Wakefield Club, the holders of the Champion flags for Yorkshire.
Leaving Wakefield Saturday night the team reached Liverpool at 1:00 Sunday morning, and spent the afternoon at New Brighton. On Monday they played on the Aigburth Cricket Ground, in the suburbs of Liverpool. We have announced a good many grounds to be "the best yet," and this is another of the same and one not likely to be beaten. The match was a hard one and ended in a draw.
On Tuesday we crossed the Mersey to Birkenhead and then took the train to Chester. This is a wonderful place, certainly the quaintest city in England, and beats anything we have yet seen in the way of antiquity. The old walls of the city are still standing, and the boys took a walk around the top of them, a distance of over a mile. The match took place on the private grounds of Boughton Hall, which was kindly loaned to us by Dr. Thompson, the owner, and was attended by a large and exceedingly select assemblage composed chiefly of ladies.
Stay tuned for teepeesforever's next instalment...the game at Chester as reported in an English newspaper.
Posted on Dec 6, 2009, 9:51 AM from IP address 76.10.150.120
The Ajax-Pickering Rock have officially been accepted into the Major Series Lacrosse League and look forward to competing with the best there is in the summer lacrosse world. The Rock will be having open tryouts in the early spring for all players eligible to play Major lacrosse but not protected by a Major franchise. Keep an eye on these boards or contact me at the email address link included in this posting to get on the mailing list.
This is a very exciting time for the Rock and we thank Jim Brady for all his efforts to make us a part of the best league in the game! The Rock staff also thanks our owner Rob Roche for having the vision to want to compete with the best! Thanks Jim and Rob.
Paul St. John
General Manager
Ajax-Pickering Rock
Major Lacrosse Club
Posted on Dec 5, 2009, 1:27 PM from IP address 74.15.164.139
huntsville put together a proposal to get in for next year. i wouldnt be surprised to ee them get in as most of the teams in the league are eastern now. some will say windsor should get in if huntsville does, but hintsville is a hell of a lot closer to the rest of the league than windsor.
ive also heard that the sr b six nations team might not exist next year as well, however i have no idea if there is any truth to that or not.
Posted on Dec 5, 2009, 6:07 PM from IP address 65.93.137.190
For the kind words. John, as far as I know Huntsville is in so the Senior B loop will have 6 teams. I wasn't at the last council meeting but I was told it was a done deal.
Posted on Dec 5, 2009, 10:06 PM from IP address 64.231.248.190
Congratulations Paul & Co. Wow what a feast of games we will have on our plate here in the 905 next summer. How is this going to effect territories and rights ? Kinda like the Rangers and the Islanders or Maroons and Habs . Rock and Redmen should be a good time .
Posted on Dec 5, 2009, 6:15 PM from IP address 74.12.46.220
To start in now way am i bashing the gta.Now with the said when the 2 major junior hockey teams came to toronto and a bunch of jr a teams people got excited saying this is great this will show toronto is the worlds best hockey town.Lets look at what has taken place the support is not there that was expected.In fact i don't think many thought the ohl and ahl teams would get such poor support as they are.My point for brining this up is the the excitment is much the same as back when the major jra came to toronto i hope the lacrosse has a better out come then hockey has.
Posted on Dec 5, 2009, 6:50 PM from IP address 70.48.186.98
Both teams have a separate fan base for the most part so i don't really see it as being a problem. With Ajax becoming a major team i would think they would draw better crowds, now providing a higher level of lacrosse for the fans.
Posted on Dec 5, 2009, 6:56 PM from IP address 99.227.220.166
I no they moved from the Pickering Rec Center to the Ajax Community Center last year but now that there in the Major Series i would think they'd move back to the bigger Pickering Rec Center, as the Ajax Arena only has the balcony seating.
Posted on Dec 5, 2009, 7:01 PM from IP address 99.243.54.227
Looks more and more like the Akwesasne Sr.A's are done. Don't wanna start any rumours, but it sounds like the owner won't have freedom for a long, long time....
Posted on Dec 5, 2009, 8:43 PM from IP address 70.30.11.99
I am pleased that we will have more Major Lacrosse in the GTA, I consider the Rock to be just outside of Toronto.However I do fear the demise of Senior B as a result.
Posted on Dec 6, 2009, 10:54 AM from IP address 76.64.22.93
how does a below advradge sr b team make it into the major loop?? no knock agianst rochie!!! great guy for the game of lacrosse but a major team??? come on brady ??? best bet would be for rochie to jumo on board with colley in brooklin and revive that great franchise rather then get another medocire franchise in the league !! just my thoughts!!!
Posted on Dec 8, 2009, 1:53 PM from IP address 70.50.112.59
First of all Gumblewhat? Below average,,(notice how I spelt average) Secondly ,, how do you jumo on board? The Ajax Pickering Rock was a top team in the senior "b" loop, a team that guys played hard for,, an organization that was nothing but CLASS. Please chum,,,try wishing the team good luck in the Majors instead of chirping them!!! Your thoughts,,, keep them to yourself.
Posted on Dec 8, 2009, 3:53 PM from IP address 70.48.33.174
We left Sheffield on Tuesday morning, and after a tedious wait at Leeds, caused by the stupidity of the railroad officials who had neglected to couple our car to the train, we reached Harrowgate about 2:15. Our constant companion, the rain, was on hand and made the popular and beautiful English watering place look decidedly watery. We deliberated for some time whether it would be wise to play at all or not, but at last plucked up courage and drove up to the ground. The rain soon ceased and the people gradually arrived, but the ground was as wet as a swamp, and we had a very slippery match, slipping ahead of the Indians to the tune of eight to four.
At the earnest solicitation of the club we agreed to give another match to-morrow morning from eleven to one, and after that is finished we start for Leeds, where we play in the afternoon.
Harrowgate is a lovely spot, and we are hoping for a good day to-morrow, so that we may have a chance to see it at its best and enjoy it thoroughly.
Then in a later Toronto Globe report...
On account of the bad weather at Harrowgate the first day that we were there it was decided to play another match in the morning. There was a very good attendance but the ground was in very bad condition, and the play used the boys up considerably. We left for Leeds about one o'clock and played there at six. The rain still accompanied us and we were a very bedraggled looking lot. Still we played the match and there was a good crowd present. After our game, the local lacrosse club tackled the Indians and the latter had "lots of fun" with them. It will be a long time before the English clubs amount to much as exponents of the beauties of the game of lacrosse.
Stay tuned for teepeesforever's next instalment...Dewsbury, Bradford, and Wakefield too...the frantic schedule continues.
Posted on Dec 5, 2009, 7:31 AM from IP address 69.165.149.76
Interesting article in the Star referencing minor hockey. Wondering how closely this parrallels experiences in minor lacrosse. Any thoughts?
I know I've seen and heard more than a few instances of rascism on the floor and in the stands and not only against First Nations people/players. What can we do to educate and stop this from happening at the minor level? I speak also of homophobic behaiviour as well in the form of hazing and/or dressing room banter.
There I said it enough times . This type of behaviour is fear based no matter what anyone says. Why else would someone lash out unless they were reacting to our inherent Flight/Fight mechanisms?? Teach the young that education is the path to understanding and acceptance and that other guy is just another obstacle between me and my intention of scoring on his team.The only difference in colour is his sweater .
Posted on Dec 5, 2009, 7:19 AM from IP address 74.12.46.220
Doesn't matter a lot as far as aboriginals are concerned as since the changes in legislation the aboriginal races will no longer be legal entitities in one generation!
Posted on Dec 6, 2009, 4:24 PM from IP address 64.12.116.145
I am not sure what you are talking about, but I know of no legislation that will result in the "aboriginal races" no longer being "legal entities in one generation." Quite a bewildering statement there buddy, perhaps you would like to explain?
Skennen
...Tsitshoh...
Posted on Dec 6, 2009, 9:26 PM from IP address 70.50.188.104
Perhaps Mr. Wagar is referring to recent published reports that certain BC Native councils are negotiatiing an end to "Native Status" and Treaty rights in exchange for greater control over mineral and oil/gas rights over their land and local government standing?
In essence they would become citizens under Canadian law and have the right to charge levies/taxes to companies wishing to explore their land for natural resources
Posted on Dec 7, 2009, 11:42 AM from IP address 142.245.59.4
That could very well be. However, it is quite a leap from an exploratory negotiation of a possibility for a limited group of people in one small section of BC to "aboriginal races will no longer be legal entitities in one generation" dontchya think? o_O
Skennen
...Tsitshoh...
Posted on Dec 7, 2009, 12:56 PM from IP address 198.103.223.51
While I tend to agree that enough animosity exists to make it hard to believe, if you had asked me 3 years ago if I'd see the US Government own two Automakers and parts of 6 Financial Institutions I'd have laughed you out of the room.
Posted on Dec 7, 2009, 1:54 PM from IP address 142.245.193.9
" if you had asked me 3 years ago if I'd see the US Government own two Automakers and parts of 6 Financial Institutions I'd have laughed you out of the room."
Really 3 years ago you would have had the intuition to foresee our global economical melt down. And besides it only states in the brief synopsis that there would besome government involvement. I doubt the intention was to become major stakeholders in so many companies. I don't know but I think this is a case of 20/20 hindsight. Not foresight
Posted on Dec 15, 2009, 2:09 PM from IP address 72.38.65.150
Have it from an inside authority who I am not permitted to identify. Legislation concerning self identification has been changed in last few months. Really is something which needs to be remedied!
Posted on Dec 7, 2009, 4:25 PM from IP address 205.188.116.145
LACROSSE IN ENGLAND
CONTINUED SUCCESS OF THE TOUR
THE TORONTO GLOBE
JULY 1883
(Story excerpts)
Up at 6 o'clock in the morning, our baggage committee struggling with our hundred and odd pieces of baggage, we bade good-bye with regret to "mine host" of "The Grand" - the best hotel we have been at yet - and whirled away to Sheffield, reaching that place about noon. The day, which dawned ominously, turned out very fine, and we had a tremendous crowd at the match on Yorkshire County Grounds in the afternoon.
The ground, about 200 yards square, resembles an amphitheatre, being surrounded on three sides by high banks, against which grand stands are built, and with these stands packed with about 7,000 people and the bright green grass dotted with the brilliant blue and scarlet costumes of the players, you can imagine what a pretty sight the match was.
The Indians scored another victory, beating us by six goals to five, and they afterward played the Sheffield Lacrosse team, and beat them three goals to two. The Sheffield men surprised us with the excellence of their play.
Sunday afternoon was spent by some of the team at Chatsworth, the seat of the Duke of Devonshire. Lord Frederick Cavendish, who was a son of the Duke, is buried in Edensor Churchyard on the estate.
To return to lacrosse. We played again on the same ground on Monday afternoon. The weather was very threatening, decidedly English in fact. But no rain of any consequence fell and there was a very large turnout of spectators - I should say about 5,000.
There had been considerable talk about the Indians beating us on Saturday and the boys were on their mettle. The consequence was they completely walked around them, beating them by seven goals to two. The Sheffield club were to have played us after our match with the Indians, but they were all too stiff and used up with their match on Saturday to come to time.
The rival Toronto Mail (they were not to merge with "The Globe" for another 53 years) had this to offer of the team's Monday evening entertainment..."After the dinner the team accepted an invitation to visit the Cammell & Company's iron works, an institution where 7,000 hands are employed. The operation of converting iron into steel by the Bessemer process, the casting of huge armour plates, and rolling steel rails, was watched for some hours, and while the party had had many warm receptions, this one may be described as decidedly hot. Judging from the religious turn of the conversation on the way back to the hotel, it may be surmised that the sights just witnessed had made more impression on the boys than the perusal of Dante's Inferno would."
Stay tuned for teepeesforever's next instalment...the boys are left stranded after their train leaves Leeds station with their railcar unattached.
Posted on Dec 4, 2009, 7:40 AM from IP address 206.248.165.174
LACROSSE IN ENGLAND
A DAY OF PLEASURE
THE TORONTO GLOBE
JULY 1883
(Story excerpts)
Friday morning we started at 7:30 for Coventry again. On our arrival we found Mr. Podbury, the secretary of the Coventry Cricket Club, with a handsome drag drawn by three horses waiting for us. Disposing of our lacrosses and valises in the hotel, we took our seats and rattled briskly over the well-paved streets of the town - our driver's "tally ho" bugle sounding merrily in the clear morning air and bringing all the people to the doors and windows to see what was up.
We bowled along rapidly over the beautiful and celebrated Warwick Road, over Gibbet Hill, and then into the quaint old town of Kenilworth. After spending a pleasant hour among the ruins of the castle made famous by Sir Walter Scott, we drove along through what seemed to us to be an endless garden to our next stopping place, Guy's Cliff, the seat of the Earl of Percy, a magnificent old castle, beautifully situated at the foot of a lofty and densely-wooded mountain, and with an avenue approach well worth a day's journey to see. Resuming our drive still enjoying a most magnificent panorama of river, hill, and forest, we reached Warwick and after lunch repaired to the Castle and spent an hour and a half in the grand old place marvelling at and admiring the priceless treasures contained there. By the bye they were not all priceless as one of us asked the attendant who showed us through, the value of a set of china in a cabinet in one of the rooms. He was paralysed by the answer - 50,000 guineas. The next place visited was the Hospital or Almshouse founded by the Earl of Leicester, a most extraordinary old place where a lot of, I think twelve; pensioners are lodged and maintained for the remainder of their free lives.
Once more mounting our chariot, away we went again, our Jehu making echoes lively with his bugle, and the boys handed out copies of the Canadian Illustrated News to hundreds of open-mouthed people all along the roads and streets we passed. We pulled up next at Jepson Gardens, a beautiful spot. Here we witnessed a sight novel to us, viz., an archery tournament, about thirty ladies and thirty gentlemen competing. The accuracy of the shooting especially that of the ladies was as marvellous as the performance of "Robin Hood and his merry men." Our next resting place was Stoneleigh Abbey, the seat of Lord Leigh. Through the influence of Mr. Podbury we were allowed to inspect the house (or abbey as it is called) and garden and grounds. It was like a trip through "Fairyland," or a chapter from the "Arabian Nights." The Queen has been a frequent visitor at Stoneleigh Abbey, and it certainly is a palace fit for royalty.
On the way back to Coventry we passed by a large parade ground on Lord Leigh's estate, where a grand review of militia was going on, a brilliant sight. We reached Coventry about five o'clock, having driven through twenty-six miles of the loveliest scenery and most interesting associations in England. Beyond question it was the best day's enjoyment the Canadian Lacrosse Team have had since they landed, and the recollection of it will always be a source of pleasure to each of them.
The drive ended and Coventry reached, the weather, which had been as perfect as the scenery all day, relapsed into the diabolical condition as it was in when we made our abortive trip down on Wednesday night. The match was advertised for six o'clock, and at that time the rain was coming down in torrents. We were determined, however, not to be beaten again and we commenced the game before a handful of people, who were plucky enough to come and brave the wet. The storm soon passed and a beautiful evening succeeded, and the crowd rapidly increased until we had a large and enthusiastic attendance. We played until 8:15 (I might mention it is light enough here at 9:30 to play) and returned to Birmingham thoroughly tired out.
Stay tuned for teepeesforever's next instalment...on to Sheffield
Posted on Dec 3, 2009, 7:41 AM from IP address 69.196.137.6
On Tuesday we had no game. A number of the team attended the "Four Oaks Races"; others, by special invitation, were shown through Perry & Co. establishment, the largest pen and pencil makers in the world. Others visited Stratford-on-Avon and put in a good solid day of Shakespearian reminiscence. To-day (Wednesday) the rain has been fairly pelting down, as if to get even with us for all the fine weather we have had by mistake. We started for Conventry in the hope that it might not be raining there, and found that historical little place nearly drowned out.
The town crier and his bell were hunted up, and as we wended our dripping way back to the station we heard him holding forth at the corner: "Oyez, oyez, oyez, notice is hereby given that the grand exhibition of lacrosse, the national game of Canada Canadian gentlemen and Iroquois Indians is postponed until Friday evening on account of the weather."
Now picking up on a later report...
After our wet experience at Coventry on Wednesday we were very much chagrined on awakening Thursday morning to find that we were beyond a doubt in for another rainy day. Serious thoughts were entertained for a while of telegraphing to Walsall that we would not put in an appearance, but the weather improved a little and we made a start. When we reached Walsall it was raining and we had a very slim crowd to witness our game. The ground, too, was a very poor one and the rain did not improve it. We played for two hours and caught the first train back to Birmingham. We were a little surprised to find the "Stars and Stripes" floating over our hotel when we reached it, and on enquiry found out that it was in honour of the American rifle team, who had just arrived. They are going to put in ten days' practice at Birmingham before the Wimbledon matches. They seem to be very confident of victory.
Stay tuned for teepeesforever's next instalment...tally-ho to Conventry!
Posted on Dec 2, 2009, 7:37 AM from IP address 206.248.156.7
If you make a donation to the Canadian Breast Cancer
Foundation, please mention "lacrosse" in a note with
the donation. At my request, in memory of my wife
Brenda, the CBCF will then direct the funds to a
facility seeking a "cure", rather than a "control".
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