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Letter to Sent to Movie Critics (Alexander the Great)

November 26 2004 at 6:09 AM
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Letter to Sent to Movie Critics

by Daniel Makedon

November, 2004

Respected Ladies and Gentlemen:

As you are all aware, Oliver Stone’s film on the Macedonian conqueror Alexander is due to open on November 24th. We, the Macedonians, the descendents of Alexander’s Macedonians, want to inform you that we reject the movie as historically inaccurate for it is not a true story of Alexander as Stone claims it to be. We are particularly concerned by the “Greekness” that Stone has given to the Macedonian king.

1) Where are the Historical Errors in the film?

Stone has Collin Farell (as Alexander) saying to the Macedonians -- before the battle of Gaugamela against the Persians -- that they are fighting for “the glory of Greece.”

Ancient sources do not write that Alexander fought for the “glory of Greece” but for that of Macedonia. Three ancient historians detailed Alexander’s address to the army before the battle. And each one of them made a clear distinction between Macedonians, Greeks, Illyrians, and Thracians, as four separate ethnicities that composed Alexander's army. Here are the words of the Roman historian Curtius Rufus:

“Riding to the front line he (Alexander the Great) named the soldiers and they responded from pot to spot where they were lined up. The Macedonians, who had won so many battles in Europe and set off to invade Asia ... got encouragement from him - he reminded them of their permanent values. They were the world’s liberators and one day they would pass the frontiers set by Hercules and Father Liber. They would subdue all races on Earth. Bactria and India would become Macedonian provinces. Getting closer to the Greeks, he reminded them that those were the people (the Persians on the other side) who provoked war with Greece, ... those were the people that burned their temples and cities ... As the Illyrians and Thracians lived mainly from plunder, he told them to look at the enemy line glittering in gold” (Curt.3.10.4-10)

Notice what Alexander told the Macedonians - “Bactria and India would become Macedonian provinces”. It is for the glory of Macedonia, not for the glory of Greece. The Greeks, are here a second nation of importance to Alexander.

Throughout Oliver Stone’s film there is confusion as to whether the Macedonians were a distinct people or just Greeks. Ironically the original Synopsis of the film makes the clear distinction between Macedonians and Greeks. There we read: “Alexander led his virtually invincible Greek and Macedonian armies through 22,000 miles…His extraordinary journey begins when Alexander launches his invasion from Macedonia…”

Yet although in the Synopsis the Macedonians are separate from the Greeks, and they left from Macedonia and not from Greece, Stone has them fighting for the “glory of Greece”?! The error is obvious.

2) Why the Macedonians and Greeks still hate each other today?

Macedonia is now divided between today’s republic of Macedonia, Greece, and Bulgaria. The division occurred in 1912 when Greece, Serbia, and Bulgaria occupied and partitioned the country, inflicting a tragedy upon the descendents of Alexander. In the 19th century Macedonia was occupied by the Turkish Ottoman Empire. The Macedonians then were well aware that they, and they alone, were the descendents of Alexander's Macedonians. The Rules of the Macedonian Rebel Committee proclaimed at the Macedonian Uprising in 1878 fighting liberation of Macedonia from the Turkish empire proclaim:

“It is well known to all of us that this ill-fated country of ours, Macedonia, owing to the egoistic aims of the Great Powers, was gain left to Turkey after the Congress of Berlin. As a result of that, in certain regions of our fatherland many scenes full of blood, known to all of us, took place... We rebelled as advocates of freedom. With the blood we shed all over Macedonian fields and forests, we serve freedom, as the Macedonian army of Alexander of Macedon did, with our slogan ‘Freedom or Death!”

This is very important - in this same 19th century, the Greeks did not claim the ancient Macedonians as "theirs," on the contrary. The works of the Greeks in the 18th and 19th centuries reveal that the Greeks did not regard the ancient Macedonians as Greeks, but foreigners who had conquered Greece (see Politis 1993:36; Dimaras 1958; Karagatsis, 1952). Politis had cited fourteen examples from the Greek literature from 1794 to 1841 in which the ancient Macedonians are excluded from the ancient Greek world (1993: 40-42).

With the occupation of southern Macedonia by Greece in 1912-13, everything changed. Greece needs its occupied Macedonian territory and created new propaganda to claim the ancient Macedonians as “Greek”. Such propaganda is needed to justify the present occupation. This stealing of the Macedonian history by the Greeks is resented by the Macedonians who have long before the Greeks claimed descent from Alexander, and still do.

3) Why today’s Macedonians are direct descendents of Alexander?

In 2001 it was proven by a scientific team from Universidad Complutense in Madrid, Spain, that the ancient Macedonians and the ancient Greeks were two separate and distinct peoples. It was also proved that the modern Macedonians are descendants of the ancient Macedonians of Alexander the Great, while the modern Greeks are not related to either the ancient or modern Macedonians. The lengthy scientific paper which was published and entitled “HLA genes in Macedonians and the sub-Saharan origin of the Greeks”, concludes the following:

“Macedonians belong to the ‘older’ Mediterranean substratum, like Iberians (including Basques), North Africans, Italians, French, Cretans, Jews, Lebanese, Turks (Anatolians), Armenians and Iranians. Macedonians are not related with geographically close Greeks, who do not belong to the "older" Mediterranean substratum. Greeks are found to have a substantial relatedness to sub-Saharan (Ethiopian) people, which separate them from other Mediterranean groups. Macedonians are related to other Mediterraneans and do not show a close relationship with Greeks: however, they do with Cretans. This supports the theory that Macedonians are one of the most ancient peoples living in the Balkan peninsula, probably long before the arrival of the Mycaenian Greeks, about 2000 BC.”

Thus, genetically and scientifically it has been proven not only that the ancient Macedonians were not Greek, but that they are older then the ancient Greeks. You may read the full content of this genetic study at the following web address: http://www.makedonika.org/processpaid.aspcontentid=ti.2001.pdf

4) Greek Racial Discrimination against the Macedonians in Northern Greece

The 80-page human rights violation report on Greece entitled "Denying Ethnic Identity - Macedonians of Greece" which was published in May 1994 concluded:

"Although ethnic Macedonians in northern Greece make up large minority with their own language and culture, their internationally recognized human rights and even their existence are vigorously denied by the Greek government. Free expression is restricted; several Macedonians have been persecuted and convicted for their peaceful expression of their views. Moreover, ethnic Macedonians are discriminated against by the government's failure to permit the teaching of the Macedonian language. And ethnic Macedonians, particularly rights activists, are harassed by the government - followed and threatened by the security forces - and subjected to economic and social pressure resulting from this harassment. All of these actions have led to a marked climate of fear in which a large number of ethnic Macedonians are reluctant to assert their Macedonian identity or to express their views openly. Ultimately, the government is pursuing every avenue to deny the Macedonians of Greece their ethnic identity"

Thus 90 years after the partition of Macedonia, the ethnic Macedonians are still residents in all parts of Macedonia. Despite the assimilatory policies of Greece, the Macedonians are still a sizable minority in this country. In the diaspora, there are also large Macedonian communities in Canada, United States, Australia, and the Western European countries.

Here we have to mention the so-called “Pan-Macedonian Association”, a Greek racist group with a history of well-documented racial hatred against the Macedonian people. It is a deliberately misnamed racist organization of Greeks whose raison d'être is to deny the existence of a distinct Macedonian identity in North America, precisely as Human Rights Watch had described it in Northern Greece. Both Greece and its “Pan-Macedonian Association” strive to appropriate the Macedonian history as “Greek” while in the process denying the existence of both the ancient and modern Macedonians.

5) Ancient and Modern Evidence about the Distinct Macedonian Nation

The long list of modern scholars (among which are Eugene Borza, Waldemer Heckel, A.B. Bosworth, Peter Green, Ernst Badian, Carol Thomas, S.M. Burstain, P.A. Brunt, John Yardley), agree that the ancient Macedonians were not Greeks, but a distinct nation. Their views concur with the Spanish genetic research above. Eugene Borza, Historian, Professor, and Archeologist, whom the American Philological Association refers to as the "Macedonian specialist" wrote:

"It is clear that over a five-century span of writing in two languages representing a variety of historiographical and philosophical positions the ancient writers regarded the Greeks and the Macedonians as two separate and distinct peoples whose relationship was marked by considerable antipathy, if not outright hostility."

Waldemar Heckel, one of the foremost Alexander scholars in the world, in his Alexander the Great (2004), writes on page 7:

“It is clear from the extant historians that the lost sources made a clear distinction between Macedonians and Greeks - ethnically, culturally and linguistically – and this must be an accurate reflection of contemporary attitudes...”

In alignment with the genetic results cited above, the ancient Greek and Roman historians also clearly excluded Macedonia from Greece as a distinct country, and the Macedonians from the Greeks as distinct nation. Not one ancient historian wrote that Macedonia is a “Northern Province of Greece” or that the Macedonians are “northern Greeks”.

The Greek orator Demosthenes, spoke of Alexander the Great’s father Philip II as "not only no Greek, nor related to the Greeks, but not even a barbarian from any place that can be named with honors, but a pestilent knave from Macedonia, whence it was never yet possible to buy a decent slave" (Demosthenes, Third Philippic, 31).

Justin, the Roman historian from the 3rd century AD wrote: "Antipater was appointed governor of Macedonia and Greece" (Justin 13.4.5)

Arrian, the ancient Greek historian from the 2nd century AD wrote: "Darius' Greek mercenaries attacked the Macedonian phalanx… the Macedonian centre did not set to with equal impetus… and the Greeks attacked where they saw that the phalanx had been particularly torn apart. There the action was severe, the Greeks tried to push off the Macedonians into the river and to reserve victory to their own side… There was also some emulation between antagonists of the Greek and Macedonian races" (Arrian 2.10.4-7).

Pausanias, the ancient Greek historian from the 2nd century AD wrote: "the united Greeks defeated the Macedonians in Boeotia and again outside Thermopylae forced them into Lamia" (Pausanias 1.1.3)

Plutarch, the ancient Greek historian from 1st century AD quoted Alexander’s words where the king himself separates the Macedonians from the Greeks as distinct nation: “When you see the Greeks walking about among the Macedonians, do they not look to you like demi-gods among so many wild beasts?” (Alex.51.2)

Conclusion

Please consider the Macedonian position when approaching Stone’s Alexander. Alexander and his Macedonians would have been appalled by Stone who in this film is attempting to portray them as for "Greece," when the ancient evidence says they did it for their beloved "Macedonia," because, as the ancient authors testify, they were not Greeks.

Sincerely yours,
Daniel Makedon

 
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May 25 2006, 12:07 AM 

BC YOUR POPULATION ARE NOT MACEDONIANS AND MACEDONIAN TRIBE WAS GREEK


 
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January 30 2008, 2:20 AM 

This is to the one that quotes Quintus Curtius Rufus:

Quintus Curtius Rufus was a Roman historian who is generally thought to have written his works during the reign of Emperor Claudius (41-54 CE). His only surviving work, Historiae Alexandri Magni, is a biography of Alexander the Great in Latin in ten books, of which the first two are lost, and the remaining eight are incomplete. His work is fluidly written, but reveals ignorance of geography, chronology and technical military knowledge, focusing instead on character.

Who knows what other ignorance he had!

Now this guy lived 400 years after Alexander was Latin and he knows how Alexander addressed his men! And we are supposed to take this as the authority.

Why don't you read the authors that travelled with Allexander?

Alexander never called his troops Macedonians. He called Greeks (Hellenes)!
The Greeks always called themselves Hellenes= Sons of Hellen (that were Magnes and Makedon) should I repeat that since you Scopians read slow?


In the passages we read "... Then Alexander and all the Greeks except the Spartans.....

We also have in the Oracle of Delphi the following offering from Alexandros.

"I Alexandros of Phillipos and ALL THE GREEKS EXCEPT THE SPARTANS OFFER the following to Goddess Athena e.t.c"

He never made a Distinction between Macedonians and other Greek tribes.

Her is also his oath! Read it and weep:


THE “OATH”

OF ALEXANDER THE GREAT

(OPIS, 324 BC)



“IT IS MY WISH, NOW THAT WARS ARE COMING TO AN END, THAT YOU SHOULD ALL BE HAPPY IN PEACE. FROM NOW ON, LET ALL MORTALS LIVE AS ONE PEOPLE, IN FELLOWSHIP, FOR THE GOOD OF ALL. SEE THE WHOLE WORLD AS YOUR HOMELAND, WITH LAWS COMMON TO ALL, WHERE THE BEST WILL GOVERN REGARDLESS OF THEIR RACE. UNLIKE THE NARROWMINDED, I MAKE NO DISTINCTION BETWEEN GREEKS AND BARBARIANS. THE ORIGIN OF CITIZENS, OR THE RACE INTO WHICH THEY WERE BORN, IS OF NO CONCERN TO ME. I HAVE ONLY ONE CRITERION BY WHICH TO DISTINGUISH THEM VIRTUE.

FOR ME, ANY GOOD FOREIGNER IS A GREEK AND ANY BAD GREEK IS WORSE THAN A BARBARIAN. IF DISPUTES EVER OCCUR AMONG YOU, YOU WILL NOT RESORT TO WEAPONS BUT WILL SOLVE THEM IN PEACE. IF NEED BE, I SHALL ARBITRATE BETWEEN YOU. SEE GOD NOT AS AN AUTOCRATIC DESPOT, BUT AS THE COMMON FATHER OF ALL AND THUS YOUR CONDUCT WILL BE LIKE THE LIVES OF BROTHERS WITHIN THE SAME FAMILY. I, ON MY PART, SEE YOU ALL AS EQUAL, WHETHER YOU ARE WHITE OR DARK-SKINNED. AND I SHOULD LIKE YOU NOT SIMPLY TO BE SUBJECTS OF MY COMMONWEALTH, BUT MEMBERS OF IT, PARTNERS OF IT. TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY, I SHALL STRIVE TO DO WHAT I HAVE PROMISED. KEEP AS A SYMBOL OF LOVE THIS OATH WHICH WE HAVE TAKEN TONIGHT WITH OUR LIBATIONS”.

Hey, there is only Greeks mentioned where are the Macedonians separated and distinct? Nowhere because they were included in the word "Hellenes = Greeks in Latin.)
He called the non Greeks BARBARIANS. Do you think he was including himself and the Macedonians in the word Barbarian? LOL LOL.

As for Badian and all the likes of Borza and Badian these guys do not say that the Macedonians were not Greek, they just say that might not have been Greek but were possibly a tribe related to Greeks? What in the world does that mean?
And these are your sources.!!!!?

Badian and Borza are frauds as are the fraudulent allegation of the DNA Spaniards that were paid by the FYROMIANS to take one loci of hundreds or thousands of loci and try to say that the Greeks had a Subsaharan relatedness. In the same study they said that the Japanese are identical to the Ethiopians. Get serious.
That study was laughed out by the serious geneticists and Cavalli-Sforza publicly repremented the Arnaiz-Villena study.

All the DNA has been mapped out and we know that the Greeks are closest to the Albanians , Italians and Sardinians. It is all over the Internet, go and educate yourself.
The Geneticists actually believe that in Afghanistan and Pakistan the E3b Y-chromosome was transfered there by Alexander and his men, since they can not find it anywhere else in the area.
One in four Greeks cary the E3b mutation today.
So much for genetics.

The movie was confusing but History is not.

Herodotus wrote about the Persian wars.
" Greeks that did not fight against the Persians were the Thessalians, Macedonians , the Greeks of Thrace..., the Ionians..."
He makes a distinctions between the Greeks of Thrace and the Thracians but names the Macedonians as GREEK!!

I rest my case.
Of which I am certain!!

I understand that jelousy is a bad disease and has permeated in to Scopia big time! Poor Scopians, you are the honorable discendants of Bulgarians, Serbians, and some Albanians and Greeks.
Now the Greeks can be called Macedonians and the Albanians are closer but the rest of you are not Macedonians.

Repeating that you are Macedonians does not make it more believable or true!

So go home and drink raka and drown your sorrows!
Drink heavilly!!


Kostas











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April 29 2008, 3:36 AM 

Greeks whine about everything. Here and in Greece (just go there and hear for yourself), its the same. Whine, whine, whine. Oh Zeus, take their tongues or stuff a dildo down their throats.

 
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May 3 2008, 2:28 AM 

Or Stuff a Dildo Up Vashya's arse!!!

Regards Fagg_t!!

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May 3 2008, 9:43 AM 

"Always Guarding Thermopylai"?????

Give me a fuc.king break, big dick massager!! Move on already and stop living in the past. Wait, my fault. I forgot Greeks have nothing but the past, they cherish the King Pedophile Alexander, and that you are an idiot.

 
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May 12 2008, 9:32 PM 

Ahhh, nice and quiet. They all must be in a circle jerk.

 
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May 16 2008, 1:30 AM 

Circle jerk eh?
Is that what you Russian boys do? You sound like you know from personal experience.

We Greeks live in the past? Wasn't your president last week that said that Russia is a third world country? Yeah, your new president. Third world eh?
Probably that't because you left and they were upgraded.

Live in the past now.

At least we have one!!

Listen potato digger,and muck shuffling Rusky, when you contribute to the world as much as we have then talk. We from Greece are still sending food supplies to the hungry Russians since your country can't feed itself!

Now get out of the circle because you are in the wrong one. You are with people with dic.ks!
You need to go to the adjacent one , yeah the one with the C.unts.

Regards Fagg.ot

P.S. Vasya isn't that a womans name? It sounds like one. And if it isn't it should be!









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May 21 2008, 4:48 AM 

"I rest my case."

God, you are such a pussy for saying that. You just can't rely on what you posted, just can't be sure you were persuasive unless you add that. Fag!

 
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