Women Against Gun Control 2A Educational Forum

To EDUCATE re: Our Second Amendment RIGHT - Our basic fundamental human RIGHT to defend our lives, property AND Liberty, UNINFRINGED! The Second Amendment IS the Equal Rights Amendment! *************************************************************************** Dedicated to those who died 9-11-01 The Second Amendment IS Our Homeland Security! *************************************************************************** WOMEN AGAINST GUN CONTROL SUPPORTS OUR AMERICAN TROOPS!!!!!!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL! STAY SAFE AND COME HOME SOON! OUR DEEPEST GRATITUDE FOR YOUR SERVICE AND SACRIFICES! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Armed Citizens SAVE over 2 million lives a year ..and that INCLUDES those attackers who are ARMED with just their BARE HANDS AND FISTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Columbine Co: Where innocent children and teachers could NOT do anything against a crazed student but hide under tables and pray that they wouldn't be next What Went Wrong with Columbine http://www.newswithviews.com/Pratt/larry.htm ------------- Pearl Miss: Where an armed administrator was able to save lives by retreiving his own weapon ---------- What school would YOU prefer YOUR children attend ?????????????????????? If it only SAVES one life........ DO IT FOR THE CHILDREN! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The Racist Origins of US Gun Control http://www.lizmichael.com/racistgc.htm http://www.mcsm.org/racist.html http://hematite.com/dragon/bans.html http://www.sightm1911.com/docs/whitelaw.htm http://www.potomac-inc.org/emercore.html ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The 2nd Amendment: Explained......Very good explanation of the meaning of the 2nd Amendment: http://www.sierratimes.com/03/08/07/greenslade.htm ____________________________________________________________________________________________________ "A gun is a TOOL ! NO better or no worse than any other tool, an axe, a knife a shovel or anything - YES~ even hands and fists! A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. REMEMBER THAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


(MO) Brother Of Man Shot By Homeowner Charged With Murder

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http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/4868922/detail.html

Brother Of Man Shot By Homeowner Charged With Murder

KANSAS CITY, Mo. --

A man has been charged with felony murder in the death of his brother earlier this month.

Police said Murrey L. Wynn, 19, and his brother, Quinton, 20, tried to rob a home in the 1600 block of Lawn on Aug. 5. The homeowner opened fire, striking Murrey Wynn. He was rushed to Truman Medical Center, but died.

Investigators said that since he died during the commission of a crime, his brother, Quinton, can be charged with his death.

Posted on Aug 20, 2005, 7:31 AM

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(TN) Man Fatally Shoots Girlfriend's Ex-Husband

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http://www.kxan.com/Global/story.asp?S=3732591&nav=0s3ddQfa

08/17/05 - 8:41 am
Man Fatally Shoots Girlfriend's Ex-Husband


In the Hill Country, a man is dead after an alleged domestic dispute and apparent break in.

Thirty-three-year-old Brandon Joseph Steele died Monday after being shot at a duplex on Granite Shoals Street. Authorities believe that he broke into his ex-wife's house through a bedroom window.

The woman, her boyfriend and a 5-year-old child were in that room. Steele allegedly threatened them.

The boyfriend told police that's when he shot Steele. The ex-wife claims he had come to the house earlier, intoxicated and belligerent.

"This is a situation which has all indications of being a self defense issue. Unfortunately, there was a life taken in this event, so we have to proceed with it as if it is a homicide," Chief Bill Lane of Horseshoe Bay said.

Autopsy results are pending.

Police have made no arrests.


Posted on Aug 20, 2005, 7:33 AM

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(TN) Memphis seniors fight back in home invasion

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http://www.wmcstations.com/global/story.asp?s=3730137&ClientType=Printable

Memphis seniors fight back in home invasion

Two Memphis seniors took matters into their own hands and fought back against burglars, and an old Smith & Wesson will forever remind retired Naval Officer Bryant Green of his Tuesday morning ordeal.

He said it all began when his doorbell rang at 10 a.m., "I got up quickly and did not see anyone."

However, his 76 year old wife Gwyneth saw four men breaking into a backyard window of their West Crestwood house.

Bryant Green came out the front door, crept around his house and into the back courtyard where he saw one of the suspects with a shotgun.

Green said he and the young man exchanged a few rounds, but no one was hurt.

Gwyneth Green said she watched from inside in mortal terror, "I could see the smoke from the shotgun the fellow had...I was trembling so I couldn't stand."

The four med fled on foot and by car.

Memphis Police used their canine unit, patrol cars and a copter to search for the men, with no luck.

Neighbor John Rindin said he wants to start a community watch, "we need to be more proactive."

At the moment, police do not have a detailed description of the burglars or the get-away car, but they might have fingerprints.

The Greens said they hold no bad feelings. They are just grateful to be alive and will not let this crime run them out of their home of 46 years.

Posted on Aug 20, 2005, 7:34 AM

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(CA) Woman shoots intruder in leg

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(CA) Woman shoots intruder in leg
Date: Aug 19, 2005 9:42 PM
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Woman shoots intruder in leg




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Posted 08/17/05
BAKERSFIELD - A woman defending her home shot a trespasser after two warning shots Wednesday afternoon. It happened on O Street around 2 p.m.

Police said a man who may have been on PCP was attacking two pitbulls outside the woman’s back yard.

The assailant was allegedly beating the dogs with a belt when he awakened a couple sleeping inside.

The woman, who is said to be in her 40’s, came to the back yard and asked the suspect to leave. Police said he then came at the couple and pushed the elderly man to the ground.

The woman fired two warning shots into the air before shooting the man in the thigh.

“It sounds like the occupants life was legitimately in danger,” said Det. Jack Smith from the Bakersfield Police Department. “They didn't know who he was he seemed to be under the influence of some sort of drug.”

“She was just pretty much trying to get the guy out of their yard,” said the woman’s son, Casey Jones. “She was scared.”

The Bakersfield Police department said when they arrived, the suspect was non-responsive. He was rushed to Kern Medical Center, where he is under arrest.

Investigators said the wound is not life threatening and no charges will be filed against the woman.

The suspect is facing assault charges, as well as breaking and entering.


Posted on Aug 20, 2005, 7:35 AM

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(TX) San Augustine Jury Finds Woman Not Guilty Of Murdering Her Husband

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08/17/05 - San Augustine
San Augustine Jury Finds Woman Not Guilty Of Murdering Her Husband

A San Augustine county woman on trial for killing her husband has been found not guilty. Nina Conner was accused of shooting Williard Connor to death two years ago.

She claimed it was self defense, calling her relationship with her husband an abusive one. She said she had to do it or she would have been dead. The jury agreed.

"We were very pleased that the jury agreed with us that this extreme case of domestic violence justified the use of deadly force. It's a tragedy that a life was taken, but it came down to who's life it would be," says Defense Attorney Tim James.

The jury deliberated for nine hours Wednesday before reaching that verdict

Posted on Aug 20, 2005, 7:37 AM

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NM:Police spokeswoman Trish Hoffman said .......

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...... a witness told authorities that a man had been STABBING the woman inside the store when another man intervened and SHOT (self defense weapon) her attacker. (saving the woman's life!!!!!!!



N.M. Police Probe Homicide at Wal-MartPolice Investigate Homicide Inside Wal-Mart on the Southeast Side of New Mexico
The Associated Press

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. Aug 26, 2005 — One man was killed and a woman was injured Thursday during an apparent domestic dispute inside a Wal-Mart on the city's southeast side, the second time in less than a week that one of the retail giant's Western stores has been the scene of deadly violence.

Police spokeswoman Trish Hoffman said a witness told authorities that a man had been stabbing the woman inside the store when another man intervened and shot her attacker.

Hoffman said the stabbing appeared to stem from a domestic dispute. She did not know the relationship between the woman and the dead man, but friends of the woman told Albuquerque television stations that she had recently obtained a restraining order against her ex-husband.

"It looks like it's a possibility that the guy who shot the other man will be justified," Hoffman said. "From what witnesses are telling us, it corroborates his story that the male was stabbing the female and he intervened."

The woman, whose name was not immediately known, was taken to University of New Mexico Hospital where she was being treated for multiple stab wounds.

The man who was shot was pronounced dead at the scene. His name was not immediately released, nor was the name of the man accused of shooting him.

Witnesses told Albuquerque television stations that the gunshots shortly after 5 p.m. sent some people running as others hit the floor and crawled to safety.

Earlier this week, customers at a Wal-Mart in a Phoenix suburb also ran for their lives when a man opened fire and killed two store employees in the parking lot.

In that case, police accused 53-year-old Ed Liu of shooting 18-year-old Anthony Spangler and 36-year-old Patrick Graham on Tuesday. Both employees were collecting shopping carts at the time.

Authorities on Thursday released the 911 calls made during and after that shooting, with employees urging people to run for safety into the store and a woman driving away in terror.

"Get in here," one caller said to those outside while the shots were still being fired. "Now. Run."

Posted on Aug 26, 2005, 4:30 PM

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AWARE Pistol Match in Morrisville, VT This Weekend

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AWARE Pistol Match in Morrisville, VT This Weekend
Date: Aug 19, 2005 7:37 AM

Just a reminder. Green Mountain Practical Shooters is hosting the 14th annual AWARE invitational pistol match this weekend in Morrisville. The matah itself is a tournament level UPPSA IPSC pistol match. This match is a charity math that beneifite the AWARE organization. AWARE is a womens rape and sexual assult education program. More Information is availible on their website at www.aware.org. The match itself is quite an event. The courses of fire are all designed by Gree Montain members and have extensive construction an artwork involved in them. Spectators are welcome, eye and ear protection are mandatory. This match attracts shooters from all over the country and internationally. Bring the family and enjoy a day of fun wathing the competitors raise money for a great charity. A map to the range and more info is availible at www.gmps.ws.

Scott Chapman

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Banning just creates black markets --- people will get things they want regardless ......

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Strict Mexican gun laws creating black market for U.S. weapons
By SERGIO CHAPA
The Brownsville Herald

BROWNSVILLE, August 16, 2005 — Mexico’s strict gun control laws are contributing to an illegal gun market and easier access to weapons, according to U.S. law enforcement officials that are close observers of a recent upswing in border violence.

Since January, more than 600 people have been killed in an ongoing war between rival drug cartels using high-powered handguns and assault rifles fighting for control of drug smuggling routes on the Texas-Mexico border.

Federal gun seizures show that a majority of weapons used in violent crimes in Mexico were smuggled into the country from the United States or bought through other sources in a lucrative black market.

Mexican law requires its citizens to apply for a permit from the Secretary of National Defense (SEDENA) before they can buy a handgun or rifle for hunting or self-defense.

SEDENA officials could not be reached for comment. The agency’s Web site shows applicants must submit to a background check as well as provide verification of employment and several references.

Federal agents that asked not to be identified for security reasons said the permitting process in Mexico is expensive and approval to buy a handgun or rifle (that must be .22-caliber or smaller) can take up to a year.

In the United States, the Brady law requires federally licensed gun dealers to run background checks on all buyers; the process usually takes seven days or less.

At the same time, Mexican law also prohibits gun owners from carrying their weapons in public. Texas gun owners can carry weapons if they have a concealed handgun permit.

According to SEDENA, Mexico has only two licensed gun manufacturers, compared to almost 200 in the United States.

The U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms reports the U.S. arms industry is worth $1.2 billion and exports more than 141,000 guns per year.

Limited distribution in Mexico makes legal guns and ammunition more expensive than those smuggled in from the United States.

Ignacio Corona, a Mexican and Latin American Cultures professor at Ohio State University, said those and other gun laws put Mexico’s honest citizens at a disadvantage.

“All the weapons are in the hands of the bad guys,” he said.
But at the same time, Corona said it is difficult to predict how changes in Mexico’s gun laws would change the situation.

“If it was more lax,” he said, “perhaps it would be worse because there is no education in the culture on how to use the guns properly.”

Posted on Aug 18, 2005, 7:32 PM

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Kennedy Letting Personal History Dictate Gun Policy, Group Says -- 08/12/2005

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TN) Victim strikes back

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TN) Victim strikes back
Date: Aug 11, 2005 6:44 PM

http://www.commercialappeal.com/mca/local_news/article/0,1426,MCA_437_3990677,00.html

Victim strikes back
Forced at gunpoint to bank, man kills back-seat suspect

By Sherri Drake
August 10, 2005

He said they'd gotten him two weeks ago in his front yard, forcing him to the ground with a gun and stealing $400.

But this time, 59-year-old Jacob Evans was ready.

Tuesday, the same two robbers returned, telling him to withdraw $10,000 from his bank, or die, he said. Instead, Evans deposited six bullets in one of them.

"I got prepared for them," Evans said, standing outside the Criminal Justice Center Tuesday night. "Today they acted a damn fool and came back."

Shortly after 2 p.m., Memphis police arrived at First Tennessee, at 1200 S. Third, and found one of the robbers shot to death, lying face down in the back seat of Evans's Lincoln Towncar.

About 20 minutes earlier, Evans was pulling up to his home in the 300 block of Edsel in South Memphis, when the two 20-something men came out from behind some hedges with guns, forced a friend of his out of the car and jumped in. Evans was in the driver's seat, one robber was in the front seat and another in the back.

Evans had just gotten off work at Hershey Foods, where he's a sanitation worker. He was wearing his uniform and a blue hairnet.

With guns pointed at Evans, the robbers told him to drive to a nearby bank to get some money. He told him he didn't bank there, but said he had an account at First Tennessee.

"If I didn't withdraw $10,000, they said they were going to kill me," he said.

As he was driving, Evans said he looked for police but didn't see any and tried to work out a plan. The bank's about two miles from his house.

He pulled up to the teller window and told the men he would need a withdrawal slip to get the money. The front-seat robber handed his 9mm pistol to the back-seat robber -- who already had a .22-caliber rifle -- and went inside to get the slip.

Evans noticed a security guard leaning against the bank's wall and mouthed to him: "Call police, I'm being robbed."

The robber, sitting directly behind the driver's seat, asked him what he said and Evans told him, "I didn't say a damn thing."

The man kept turning around nervously to look at the security guard, Evans said. That's when Evans reached under his seat and pulled out a .357 Magnum.

"When he turned around, I unloaded six rounds in him," Evans said. "He didn't have a chance."

Evans bought the gun in the parking lot of a gas station the day after he was robbed two weeks ago. He'd cleaned it up, putting baby oil in the revolver, so it'd be ready if he needed it.

Evans said he got out of the car and started to reload when the other suspect came out of the bank. "He took off running."

He tried to shoot that suspect too, but his gun wouldn't fire.

Someone inside the bank called 911. When employees heard the gunshots, the bank was immediately locked down and remained closed Tuesday, said spokesman Walter Dawson.

Late Tuesday, investigators were looking for the man who ran away and were working to identify the man who died, said Lt. Toney Armstrong.

After being questioned by police, Evans said they told him he was free to go.

Police said late Tuesday their investigation will be turned over to the Shelby County District Attorney General's Office, as a matter of routine.

Evans said he has only one regret. "I didn't kill the one that got away."

Tuesday night, his family drove up from Mississippi to be with Evans, who said he was happy to be alive.

"It's really not something to be proud of," he said. "But I'm happy it was them and not me."


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canadian Gun Registry really has stopped violent crime in Canada

by Nancy

NOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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Toronto - Police Blotter: The Week in Crime
Date: Aug 15, 2005 7:51 AM
PUBLICATION: National Post
DATE: 2005.08.15
EDITION: Toronto
SECTION: Toronto
PAGE: A10
COLUMN: Police Blotter: The Week in Crime
BYLINE: Cathy Gulli
SOURCE: National Post
ILLUSTRATION: Map: A map of Toronto.: (See print copy for complete map.)

NOTE: cgulli@nationalpost.com
WORD COUNT: 1457

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28-year-old dies after being shot in the neck

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1. ARREST A 35-year-old man was charged with robbery on Aug. 4, for his
alleged part in holding up three Bank of Nova Scotia branches between
June 6 and July 14.

2. PURSE SNATCHING At 7 p.m. on Aug. 4, a man stole a 33-year-old
woman's purse while riding in the elevator of a Forest Manor apartment
building.

3. BREAK & ENTER Two stereos, cash, jewellery, credit cards, dishes and
cutlery were stolen from a home on Lavendar Road home just before 10
p.m. on Aug. 4.

4. PURSE SNATCHING Two men stole the purse of a 17-year-old girl walking
near Military Trail at 11:45 p.m. on Aug. 4.

5. PURSE SNATCHING At 10 p.m. on Aug. 4, a Garnett James Road resident
heard a 45-year-old woman fall and scream outside when a man
unsuccessfully tried to steal her purse.

6. ARREST A 34-year-old man was charged with possession and careless
storage of firearms on Aug. 5, when police discovered two handguns at a
Field Sparroway building, one in a cooler.

7. ROBBERY A man with a gun stole a tank of gasoline from Billori's Esso
on Don Mills Road just after 2 a.m. on Aug. 5.

8. HOME INVASION When a 27-year-old man answered a knock at his door
near Lakeshore Drive and Thirteenth Street at 10 p.m. on Aug. 4, four
men and a woman barged in, tied, gagged and pushed the victim to the
floor. They fled after their demands for money, guns and drugs were
unfulfilled.

9. THEFT OVER $5,000 On Aug. 5, a vehicle containing tools was stolen
from a Silvertip Crescent home.

10. ARREST An 18-year-old man and a 14-year-old young offender were
charged with robbery on Aug. 4, after a holdup at a Kingston Road Petro
Canada.

11. SWARMING Near Ellesmere Road and Military Trail, a 20-year-old man
was punched repeatedly by several men after he refused to hand over his
money, just past midnight on Aug. 3.

12. ARREST On Aug. 5, a 40-year-old man was charged with robbery after
he allegedly stole money from Huda Foods on Gerrard Street East just
before 2 p.m.

13. SWARMING Five men carrying a stick, bolt cutter and handgun
assaulted and robbed two boys, ages 15 and 16, on Lescon Road at 9:20
p.m. on Aug. 5.

14. ROBBERY At 11 p.m. on Aug. 5, two disguised men with a handgun stole
money, cigarettes, phone cards, and the surveillance video from Kings
Variety on Kingston Road, as well as the 27-year-old employee's car key.


15. ROBBERY Two men, ages 71 and 57, were beaten by two disguised
attackers with a handgun in the Davenport Road basement of Alcoa Bakery
at 8:30 p.m. on Aug. 5. The attackers stole cash, and escaped in one
victim's car.

16. PURSE SNATCHING A man stole a 45-year-old woman's purse near Cosburn
and Logan avenues at 10:30 p.m. on Aug. 5.

17. MURDER At 7 p.m. on Aug. 5, just after a shooting, police found a
dead man lying face down in front of a Morecambe Gate residence.

18. BREAK & ENTER Jewellery, cash and a camera were stolen from a
Broadview Avenue home on Aug. 5.

19. MUGGING While walking through the underground parking lot of
Fairview Mall just before 5 p.m. on Aug. 6, a 13-year-old girl and
16-year-old boy were threatened and robbed of a cell phone and cigarette
lighter by a man on a bike.

20. ROBBERY At 3 p.m. on Aug. 6, a man with a gun robbed a CIBC branch
on Bayview Avenue after pushing the security guard to the floor.

21. SWARMING A 23-year-old man was punched and stabbed in the arm by
several men near Black Creek Drive and Lawrence Avenue West at 5:30 a.m.
on Aug. 7, when he refused to hand over his jewellery and wallet, which
they stole after assaulting him.

22. SWARMING Keys and money were stolen from a 22-year-old man near
Birchmount Road and Finch Avenue East by several men at 4:30 p.m. on
Aug. 7.

23. ARREST An 18-year-old male was charged with robbery, assault, and
forcible confinement on Aug. 7 for his alleged part in beating and
robbing two men, 71 and 57 years old, in a Davenport Road basement.

24. MUGGING Two boys, ages 17 and 15, were robbed of their money and
cell phones outside a Keele Street plaza by two men armed with scissors,
and claiming to have a gun, just after 11 p.m on August 7.

25. THEFT OVER $5,000 Money, jewellery and clothing were stolen from a
St. Clements Avenue home on Aug. 5.

26. SWARMING While waiting in his car near Danforth and Victoria Park
avenues after midnight on Aug. 8, a 29-year-old man had a knife held to
his neck and chest by two men and woman, who stole his cigarettes and
cash.

27. SWARMING A 23-year-old man had a knife held to his throat by three
men demanding his wallet near St. Joseph and Bay streets on Aug. 6 at
2:30 a.m. The suspects fled when an approaching security guard yelled.

28. BREAK & ENTER Jewellery was stolen from a Drewry Avenue home on Aug.
8.

29. BREAK & ENTER Computers with LCD monitors were stolen from Goldhawk
Park Library at Alton Towers Circle.

30. BREAK & ENTER Cash and jewellery were stolen from an Elora Road home
on Aug. 8.

31. BREAK & ENTER On Aug. 8, money and jewellery were stolen from a
Pioneer Avenue home.

32. MUGGING Outside a Dufferin Street mall at 10:30 a.m. on Aug. 8, a
21-year-old man handed over his wallet to a man, who tried to stab him
in the arm. The victim escaped harm, and recovered his wallet.

33. TRAFFIC FATALITY A 26-year-old woman died of head injuries on Aug.
8, after she was hit by a vehicle while walking across Steeles Avenue
East at Kelvin Grove Avenue just before 7 a.m.

34. THEFT OVER $5,000 A purse containing cheques, cash, passports,
identification and credit cards was stolen from a baby carriage near
Spadina Avenue and Dundas Street West at 4:30 p.m on Aug. 6.

35. MUGGING A man stole the purse of a 23-year-old woman walking near
Sheppard Avenue East and Kennedy Road at midnight on Aug. 9.

36. SWARMING While waiting for a bus near Finch Avenue West and Albion
road at 1:30 a.m. on Aug. 9, a 27-year-old man had his money and wallet
stolen by three disguised men with a knife.

37. SWARMING At 11 p.m. on Aug. 9, near Dawes and Crescent Town roads, a
19-year-old male was pushed by three men with an expandable baton, who
stole his cigarettes, wallet, and forced him to withdraw cash from a
bank machine.

38. SWARMING Fifteen men with a knife surrounded a 24-year-old man near
Kipling Avenue and Stevenson Road just before 1 a.m. on Aug. 9. They
sifted through his wallet and backpack, and fled empty-handed.

39. ROBBERY At 2:15 p.m. on Aug. 8, a 57-year-old owner of Petro Canada
on Sheppard Avenue East was pushed from behind by two men, who stole the
money bag he was depositing at a Canada Trust on Lapsley Road.

40. ROBBERY As a man exited an Abel Atlantic Cab on Tomar Villaways at 3
a.m. on Aug. 8, he was beat and robbed by five men.

41. ROBBERY A man armed with a screwdriver stole money from a Daisy Mart
on Kennedy Road at 8:15 a.m. on Aug. 9.

42. ARREST A 61-year-old man was charged with sexual assault and
exploitation on Aug. 9, for allegedly taking advantage of 13-year-old
boy in the suspect's Ellesmere Road office in July.

43. BREAK & ENTER Camera, computer equipment, jewellery, a passport and
car keys were stolen from a Lord Seaton Road home on Aug. 9.

44. ARREST 34-year-old man was charged with robbery on Aug. 9, after
allegedly robbing three shops that afternoon, two on Bloor Street West,
one on Bedford Road.

45. THEFT OVER $5,000 Alloy car rims were stolen from Ontario
Incorporated on Codlin Crescent between Aug. 8 and 9.

46. BREAK & ENTER A cordless phone and money were stolen from a Gowan
Avenue home on Aug. 9.

47. SWARMING At 1:30 a.m. on Aug. 10, a 33-year-old man was punched,
kicked and hit with a handgun by four disguised men near Midden Crescent
and Callowhill Drive after he refused to hand over his money. They fled
when he cried loudly.

48. ARREST On Aug. 10, a 30-year-old man was charged with sexual assault
and kidnapping for allegedly luring and taking advantage of a
20-year-old woman while en route to Toronto from Montreal on Aug. 5.

49. BREAK & ENTER Copper reels were stolen from Nortown Electric on
Parkway Forest Drive between Aug. 9 and 10.

50. ARREST A 37-year-old man was charged with fraud on Aug. 10, for
allegedly embezzling $335,719.03 while working at Montage Support
Services between July, 2001, and Jan. 2005.

51. ROBBERY A disguised man with a handgun stole money from Digicell
2000 on Weston Road at 11 a.m. on Aug. 10.

52. BREAK & ENTER Cash and a safe were stolen from a Cassandra Boulevard
home between Aug. 9 and 10.

53. SWARMING A 15-year-old boy near Martin Grove Road and Garfella Drive
was hit in the face by nine men who stole his bike and cell phone on
Aug. 10.

54. ROBBERY Two disguised men with a knife stole prescription drugs and
money from Woodgreen Discount Drugs on Queen Street East on Aug. 10.

55. MUGGING A 26-year-old man waiting in his car near Neilson and
Ellesmere roads at 9 p.m. on Aug. 10, had his cell phone and keys stolen
by two disguised men with handguns.

56. CAR JACKING Just before 10 p.m. on Aug. 10, a 38-year-old man had
his wallet and car stolen by two men with a gun near Jane Street and
Finch Avenue West.

57. SWARMING A 35-year-old man fought off four men carrying a gun who
punched him and tried to steal his money and car just after 11 p.m. on
Aug. 10, near Jane Street and Driftwood Avenue.

58. ROBBERY A 54-year-old cab driver was robbed by two men with a gun on
Darby Court at 4:20 p.m. on Aug. 11.

59. THEFT OVER $5,000 Between August 10 and 11, electronic and computer
equipment, cheques, a gym bag, money order and passport were stolen from
a vehicle at a St. Clair Avenue East home.

60. ROBBERY Money and cigarettes were stolen by a disguised man with a
gun from Park's Mini Mart on Heale Avenue just after 2 p.m. on Aug. 11.

61. MURDER At 10:15 on Aug. 13, 28-year-old Syed Shah was found dead at
Raymore Park near Scarlett Road and Lawrence Avenue West after being
shot in the neck. Two men were seen running out of the park.

62. SHOOTING Two boys, 14 and 16, were shot in the knee and leg just
before 11 p.m. on Aug. 13, near Wickson Trail and Brenyon Way.

Posted on Aug 15, 2005, 7:23 PM

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COLUMN: Forget about slapping a made-in-the-USA label on our gun problem:

by Nancy

COLUMN: Forget about slapping a made-in-the-USA label on our gun problem:
Date: Aug 15, 2005 8:45 AM
PUBLICATION: GLOBE AND MAIL
DATE: 2005.08.15
PAGE: A13 (ILLUS)
BYLINE: ANTHONY DOOB AND ROSEMARY GARTNER
SECTION: Comment
EDITION: Metro
WORD COUNT: 1037

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Aim at crime's cause Forget about slapping a made-in-the-USA label on
our gun problem: Gang violence is homegrown, and Ontario nurtured it
with poor social policies, say criminologists ANTHONY DOOB and ROSEMARY
GARTNER

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Why is Toronto experiencing so many shootings right now? And what can be
done? The first question assumes that there is, in fact, an upward trend
in gun violence rather than simply an unusually large number of
incidents in a concentrated period. It's too early to know whether the
events of the past few weeks signal the start of a sustained upswing. In
1991, there were 89 homicides in Toronto, a record high, and concern
that we were entering a new, violent era was widespread -- yet Toronto
has come nowhere close to that level of lethal violence since.

For the sake of argument, however, let's assume incidents of gun
violence are beginning a sustained rise.

If so, why? Let's consider what's known about the causes of crime, and
then look at changes that have occurred in the past 10 years in
Ontario's social policies, particularly those that affect children. Very
simply, policies put in place during this period had a high likelihood
of increasing levels of violence. We don't believe, of course, that
increasing crime was the goal. Rather, it seems that our political
leaders at the time simply ignored widely accepted evidence about social
sources of crime.

One of Ontario's most dramatic changes in the mid-1990s was the large
cut to welfare payments for families with children. It is well
established that cities with low welfare payments (measured as the
amount received by each poor family, or the per cent of poor families
receiving some form of assistance) have higher rates of violent and
property crime, and that children who experience long periods of poverty
between the age of 5 and their early teenage years are more likely to
commit crime. We also know that communities with higher levels of
economic inequality are likely to have high levels of violent crime.
Even Japan, a country with a generally low level of violent crime, has
found that homicide rates and robberies go up when income inequality,
unemployment, and poverty increase.

When we move from broad economic policies to policies that affect
children directly, we find additional factors that account for a rise in
crime. For troubled and troublesome young people, the school can be an
oasis in an otherwise difficult life. And attachment to school --
finding something positive and personally rewarding -- can reduce the
likelihood that troubled youths will commit violent crimes. Getting
young people to see education as a good thing can be a challenge, but we
do know a little about making school a positive experience. What matter
most for disaffected youths are a school's extracurricular aspects and
the particular attention paid by a teacher who takes the time to help a
difficult student.

But in the 1990s, the Ontario government told teachers that every minute
that they spent that was not in front of a classroom was wasted,
frivolous time -- never mind the "extras" that made their jobs more
rewarding and their students more interested in staying in school.
Second, it told schools to deal with troubled and troublesome students
through zero tolerance, by suspending and expelling them.

Provincial policy dictated that the one institution, the school, that
was available to everyone and that could make a difference was stripped
of that opportunity, while teachers were told that it was not their role
to help troubled children. Fortunately, many school boards, school
administrative officers, and teachers didn't listen; they did what they
knew to be best. But their resources were limited.

As well, Ontario demoted public health to the status of unnecessary
frill (remember the Walkerton drinking water disaster?).

What does public health have to do with crime? Plenty, it turns out it,
especially for the poor and disadvantaged. Something as simple as
regular home visits by public-health nurses to poor young mothers, from
the early stages of pregnancy until the child's second birthday, not
only has important health benefits -- 15 years later, these same
children are less likely to be involved in crime.

Homelessness, a problem whose roots go back at least 20 years, is
another factor. Children who are forced to move from temporary home to
temporary home throughout their school lives are considerably more
likely to feel no roots in the community and be involved in crime.

Yet all these changes in social policy were justified because they gave
people like the readers of this newspaper lower taxes.

What about the proposed solutions to Toronto's gang/crime problem? No
quick fix will reduce it. It will do no good to increase prison
sentences, to institute more mandatory minimum sentences, to implement
curfews, to sweep the streets clean of disorderly people, to create boot
camps. Indeed, looking for solutions to crime within the
criminal-justice system is largely counterproductive because it
distracts us from effective responses and depletes scarce resources that
could be used earlier and more productively.

Toronto has been promised new police officers to deal with crime.

Adding to police strength, alone, will not solve the problem either,
however. With each police officer costing about $75,000 a year, we
should be asking what our other choices might be, within police
departments or elsewhere. In a coldly statistical way, let's look at
what is the best way, per million dollars spent, to achieve a long-term
impact on violent crime? For the most part, we already know. It's
sometimes referred to as an investment in social programs. These
programs are designed to create an educated, healthy, productive
society. They also have indirect benefits -- they create peaceful
communities. We may have learned in the past 10 years or so how to
increase violent crime in our communities. The question is whether we
will use what we've learned to reduce it.

Anthony N. Doob and Rosemary Gartner are professors of criminology at
the Centre of Criminology, University of Toronto.



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COLUMN: REGISTRY FIRING BLANKS

by Nancy

COLUMN: REGISTRY FIRING BLANKS
Date: Aug 15, 2005 7:56 AM
PUBLICATION: The Toronto Sun
DATE: 2005.08.14
EDITION: Final
SECTION: Comment
PAGE: C7
BYLINE: CHRISTOPHE CONN
WORD COUNT: 486

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As I sift through the various Toronto newspapers, I have come to realize
how distorted the perception of crime in your city has become.

The premier of Ontario, various high-placed police personalities and
organizations such as the Coalition for Gun Control have created a maze
of finger-pointing and a half-hazardly assembled set of conclusions,
dismissing any true productive approach. The use of statistics has
become the norm for explaining why people get shot and offer a simpleton
perception of how to deal with the problem.

For instance, we're told some 50% of guns are collected by theives from
legitimate law-abiding collectors. Really? This must show that the
firearms registry is doing its job, and that not only can we solve a
murder mystery by looking up the gun's origins on the registry, we can
also solve a break-and-enter theft that is so far unresolved.

But that, unfortunately, is just a smokescreen. To date the firearms
registry has not solved any crimes, nor has it helped jail any
gun-toting thugs from downtown Toronto, or even small-town Saskatchewan.


And it has created the myth that the responsible, law-abiding firearms
owner is somehow part of an enormous conspiracy to arm the drug dealers.


Secondly, we hear "more than 50%" of guns used in crime are smuggled
from the U.S. Not only is that a poor show for our border patrol, it is
just another way to overshadow our own shorcomings by painting our
neighbours as being a bad influence. Where is our police force? Where is
our intelligence agency?

I find it sad that the reasons people actually pursue the interest in
obtaining an illegal firearm and their disregard of the law are not
really productively explored.

There is no effort to come to grips with the fact that people in your
great metropolis are poor, going hungry, and a great number are
desperate.

This situation should not exist in a socialist democracy, since the aim
of society is to help the less fortunate. When all else fails, blame the
other guys intead of our own shortsightedness.

We can continue to pretend that the Canadian firearms registry is not a
total fiasco.

We can also close our eyes to the relationship of poverty and crime and
focus on a symbol most consider evil to score political points and win
votes.

We can continue to throw numbers at the media to inspire fear in the
hearts of readers, to create doubt in the mind of average Canadians to
remind them that when voting time comes around, it is ever important to
cast their votes for the party that seems to be doing what needs to be
done to make life safer in our communities -- regardless of it being
true or not.

The sad reality is that we as a people have spent billions of dollars on
a failed project, that of the firearms registry.

It is uninspired to continue to believe that the lawless will be stopped
by additional or more severe legislation.

The only true utopia in Canada is that of the criminal element, since
funds and resources that could be directed against them are wasted in
press conferences and wordy speeches of the "success" of the firearms
registry.

The only success in the minds of many is the unhindered ability for
criminals to conduct business as usual. What is worse is that our
politicians are cashing in on their monumental failures, and we are
creating organizations and media reports to apologize in their name.


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Letter: Don't take our guns

by Nancy

Letter: Don't take our guns
Date: Aug 15, 2005 7:54 AM
PUBLICATION: The Ottawa Citizen
DATE: 2005.08.15
EDITION: Final
SECTION: News
PNAME: Letters
PAGE: A9
BYLINE: Dean Schmidt
SOURCE: The Ottawa Citizen
WORD COUNT: 156

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Don't take our guns

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The idea of banning all firearms (or even just handguns) has been touted
in the media lately -- most notably by the mayor of Toronto and that
city's chief of police. I find the whole concept ridiculous.

Why should honest citizens surrender their legally owned property,
namely firearms? Would the police also suggest that the way to combat
burglaries is for wealthy people to shed all of their possessions?

Should attractive women disfigure themselves to avoid being sexually
assaulted?

And should old people never step outside their door for fear of being
mugged?

I thought public servants and the police were supposed to protect our
rights, not advocate the wholesale surrender of them.

Legitimate owners of firearms have borne the brunt of misguided
legislation, heavy-handed enforcement, and unwarranted public outrage
long enough.

Banning handguns in Britain only succeeded in increasing the number of
violent crimes committed in that country. Those poor people have been
stripped of their fundamental right to defend themselves, and criminals
know it.

Let's not repeat the same mistake here.

Dean Schmidt,
Medicine Hat, Alta.


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Gangs are the reason there is more violence

by Nancy

Gangs are the reason there is more violence
Date: Aug 15, 2005 7:47 AM
PUBLICATION: The Record (Kitchener, Cambridge and Waterloo)
DATE: 2005.08.15
EDITION: Final
SECTION: OPINION
PAGE: A6
BYLINE: Bruce N. Mills
WORD COUNT: 135

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Gangs are the reason there is more violence

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I take issue with the assertion in the headline attached to James
Estep's Aug. 10 letter, We Have A Gun Problem. We don't have a gun
problem, we have a gang problem.

Ninety-nine per cent of all the guns owned in Canada will never be used
to commit a crime, and 99 per cent of all gun owners won't either.

The real gun culture -- that of the legitimate, law-abiding, gun-owning
citizen -- is a culture of safety, respect and responsibility.

The genuine gun culture teaches respect for firearms, the user and
others. It teaches safety and responsibility in the use of firearms.

It fosters independence, self-reliance, self-esteem and confidence in
the individual. It helps to reduce crime and protect others in society.
As Estep says, target the real criminals with meaningful sentences and
half the battle will be won.

Bruce N. Mills
Dundas


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Barrett Firearms

by WAGC

Barrett Firearms
Date: Aug 13, 2005 4:53 PM
Barrett Firearms Manufacturing, Inc., Post Office Box 1077, Murfreesboro, TN
USA 37133-1077
Phone: 615-896-2938 Fax: 615-896-7313 E-mail: mail@barrettrifles.com Site:
www.barrettrifles.com

April 27th 2005

A message from Ronnie Barrett:

In the never-ending battle to destroy our constitution, more “big lie”
propaganda is being dumped on our elected officials. The rhetoric given
forth by the Violence Policy Center (VPC) so easily deceived the legislators
of California resulting in the banning of fifty caliber rifles because they
are powerful and their bullets punch holes when they strike. Even single
shot .50 cal rifles were banned. It’s hard to believe we live in such a dark
time that someone has actually banned a single shot rifle. But as you will
see, this is the cleverest of all gun bans, and the end goal is civilian
disarmament, the confiscation of your tools of liberty, your rifles.

What lies before us is the continuation of the misinformation campaign,
trying to coax yet another state to infringe upon the U.S. Constitution as
California did. The anti- freedom/anti-gun movement has discovered how
transparent they appear when they propose sweeping gun bans and now are
successful by biting off a little at a time. Ever so small, many politicians
are trading off your rights without you recognizing their violations.

First we had the “Saturday Night Specials” which was all affordable
handguns, then “sniper rifles” which were any scoped deer rifle. Those were
obvious, too big a scam to go unnoticed, but with the creation and
demonization of the term “assault weapon”, the Clinton’s Crime bill produced
a 10-year setback on your freedoms and safe gun design. Now comes another
scam. This time they are shocked to discover that rifles are “accurate and
powerful”.

This is the same bull the officials in the 1950’s fell for when they banned
the self-unfolding knife. First the knife was demonized by giving it an evil
name, “switchblade”, then we (the trusting public) were told that the
problem of gang violence was solved with its banning. How ridiculous. It’s
surprising they didn’t ban the leather jacket. In reality, gang violence was
and is a serious social problem, but it was not related to manually
unfolding versus self-unfolding knives. The elected officials voting to ban
an object like a knife proved themselves unwilling or uncaring to understand
the problem, and thus, incapable of any real solutions.

A handful of people that makes up the VPC are solely responsible for the big
lie on .50’s, claiming fantastic destruction capabilities. They manipulate
fear by claiming terrorists will use these rifles on targets of our
infrastructure. “They will shut down our airports in flames” they claim.
VPC’s Tom Diaz refers to them as “super guns” lying to his dupable group of
politicians, concealing the facts that there are many rifle cartridges that
are comparable in performance (those will be added to the list in phase
two). He is boldly telling these officials and all who will listen that the
risk of terrorist attacks on these targets will be solved with the banning
of powerful rifles, in this case, the .50 caliber rifle. In reality,
terrorism is complex and will be defeated with improved intelligence. In
this instance, the officials voting to ban an inanimate object like a rifle
proves them ignorant of the problem of terrorism and is wasting time and
resources.

You must understand the brilliance of this dangerous back door deception.
Your politicians are being told that the fifty is a highly destructive
cartridge that can destroy airplanes, fuel transport trucks and depot
storages of fuel. They show videos like the one on 60 Minutes showing a ½
inch plate of steel being pierced by a .50 cal round while stopping a .308
caliber. This is all to confuse the people, those with little exposure to
firearms; their impression concludes that the .50 punches holes in sensitive
targets where other rifles cannot. Had they shot actual aluminum that is
used on airplane construction, or aluminum or steel used in actual transport
or tank construction, both the .50 and the .308 would pierce along with most
all centerfire cartridges, but this, they must keep secret.

First, with the confusion of massive, (although incorrect) technical data
and the hammering of urgency, the VPC demands a ban or strict regulations on
rifles that chamber a cartridge that has the ability to penetrate targets.
Sound ridiculous? It is.

VPC’s Tom Diaz appears often on TV with maps of Washington, DC,
irresponsibly instructing where to position one's self to illegally fire on
vulnerable important targets of our government, promising these specific
targets will be safe when .50s are banned. He pressures politicians to act
quickly on this URGENT legislation needed to make these terrorist targets
safe, hoping they will act before the VPC lies are discovered.

Now slow down, a ban on a rifle because it chambers a cartridge that has the
ability to penetrate targets? By the legislation naming and defining the
targets that are damageable by rifle fire, and in this case, .50 cal. rifle
fire, they create a new class of rifles, not defined by such foolishness as
detachable magazines, flash hiders or pistol grips, but defined by the harm
it could do when criminally misused! This is what California has just done!
The ultimate gun ban trick has just been created, the banning of rifles
before they can be misused!

Now, we are only talking about those powerful .50 calibers, right? That’s
what is in the VPC’s direct orders. No, remember they are banning rifles
because specific targets named in our infrastructure are susceptible to
damage. Now tell me, what centerfire rifle cartridge won’t penetrate those
targets? What centerfire rifle cartridge is not powerful? Not many or not
any? So in order to comply with the spirit and intent of the law the
Attorney General or State Secretary must add those cartridges to the banned
list. The big lie is exposed. They aren’t just talking about .50s. They’re
after your hunting rifles, centerfire target rifles - just about any rifle
you own.

Unlike California, we cannot allow any of our local, state or federal
officials to be deceived with any of this “big lie” gun control propaganda.
The U.S. has every gun law that could possibly be needed. Virtually every
real world scenario of firearm abuse is already covered in some law that is
currently on the books.

Many of you have inquired as to the outcome of the letter I wrote to Police
Chief Bratten of the LAPD. Unfortunately, the chief’s position did not
change. He continued to use his officers in the same deceptive practices
formerly utilized with the city council. These few officers testifying in
Sacramento ultimately contributed to the unconstitutional AB50 law being
passed. It saddened me to have to tell members of the LAPD SWAT team they
would have to send someone for their rifle, because I refused to assist
anyone or any organization that is in violation of the United States
Constitution. In turn, the department arranged to pick up their un-serviced
rifle.

Barrett cannot legally sell any of its products to lawbreakers. Therefore,
since California’s passing of AB 50, the state is not in compliance with the
US Constitution’s 2nd and 14th Amendments, and we will not sell nor service
any of our products to any Government agency of the State of California.

I appreciate all the phone calls and emails from LAPD officers and civilians
during that time encouraging and supporting our actions. We shall see if
other firearms companies will follow this path. I know many are corporately
owned and feel like they are unable to risk the life of their company for
the liberties of our nation, but if we lose our Republic, our freedom, what
good is any of it? I am in the proud and fortunate position that many of our
forefathers were in when they risked all for our liberties.

“Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they
have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of
chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others
may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!” Patrick Henry

This “ban large bore” insanity failed in Washington years ago, but that
didn’t discourage the VPC. Now it’s resurfacing in city council meetings in
individual states, and it’s being reintroduced in Washington. NRA-ILA
Executive Director, Chris Cox, once told me “These (anti-freedom, anti-gun)
guys never go away, and they never quit.”

I’ve received thousands of emails and letters from you offering
encouragement and support. Our Republic, our liberty needs and demands your
support. You must take action to guard your rights. First, find your State
Senator and State Representative. Tell them not to fall for this scam. This
lie depends on the elected official being naive about firearms and their
capabilities. Stand ready to carry this same message to your U.S. Senator
and Representatives. Know all of your elected officials’ position on gun
issues. DO NOT ELECT ANY ANTI-GUN PERSON TO ANY POSITION!

Position yourself with me in the battles we must fight. You need to join the
NRA, the .50 Caliber Shooters Association, and the NSSF in order to stay
informed. These people have been with me in the trenches fighting for every
inch of the liberty you enjoy.

Today we draw a line; there will be no more nibbling at our freedom. Today
you stand idle no longer. Today you do something to save our country!


Ronnie Barrett
Owner and CEO
Barrett Firearms Manufacturing Inc.



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Letter: Don't blame legal gun owners for armed crimes

by Nancy :)

Letter: Don't blame legal gun owners for armed crimes
Date: Aug 13, 2005 11:11 AM
PUBLICATION: The Ottawa Citizen
DATE: 2005.08.13
EDITION: Final
SECTION: News
PNAME: Letters
PAGE: B5
BYLINE: Larry Whitmore
SOURCE: The Ottawa Citizen
ILLUSTRATION: Photo: The Canadian Press / Larry Whitmore says police andpoliticians
should realize that the solution to Toronto's epidemic of crimes involving weapons
is harsher sentences, not wasting more money on gun registration.
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Don't blame legal gun owners for armed crimes

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Politicians and police have missed the boat again on the source of the illegal guns
rampant on the streets of Toronto.

Ten years ago, when then justice minister Allan Rock introduced the much-maligned
Firearms Act (Bill C-68), it was touted as being the solution to the "guns
on the streets" problem. More than a billion dollars later, they are still
looking for answers.

The useless registry not only wasted valuable resources (both financial and human)
but also drove untold thousands of guns underground into the grey/black market.

Now they are trying to blame legal, registered and licensed gun owners for this
recent outbreak of violence as well as blaming the lack of gun-control laws in the
United States. The problem is not the number of guns being stolen or smuggled but
the size of the market that theft fuels. And why is there such a demand? Because
there is no deterrent for this illegal behaviour.

The "mandatory" penalties heralded by Allan Rock when he introduced Bill
C-68 are useless, as they are the first items that are plea-bargained away. The
courts are not making it expensive enough to make drug dealers and gang members
think twice about obtaining and using firearms (or any other weapons, for that matter).

Interestingly enough, there is a program in a number of U.S. cities called Project
Exile and it has had a significant effect on violent, gun-related crime. This program
mandates an additional five-year jail term served in a federal prison, with no parole,
for any crime committed with a firearm.

Perhaps if the politicians and police officials would direct their energies (and
blame) at the real culprit instead of taking the politically expedient route and
blaming licensed Canadian firearms owners, we could actually make our streets safer.

Larry Whitmore, Vaughan, Ont.,
Director of Sport Development,
Canadian Shooting Sports Assoc.


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LETTER: TAKING AIM AT GUN REGISTRY CLAIMS

by Nancy :)

LETTER: TAKING AIM AT GUN REGISTRY CLAIMS
Date: Aug 12, 2005 10:59 AM
PUBLICATION: The London Free Press
DATE: 2005.08.12
EDITION: Final
SECTION: Opinion Pages
PAGE: A8
ILLUSTRATION: photo of STEVEN HARPER
BYLINE: M. L. GOLDENBERG, LONDON
COLUMN: Letters to the Editor
WORD COUNT: 52

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Regarding the letter, Harper can't claim to speak for families (Aug. 9).


Kevin Spafford claims that the gun registry is responsible for the
rejection of 13,000 firearms licences.

This claim is absolutely false.

Licence rejections take place during the licence application process,
which is totally separate from long-gun registration.

Only those who have been approved for a firearms licence can register a
firearm, thereby making the registry redundant.

Liberal MPs often make this same incorrect claim, which is simply
Liberal propaganda.

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Williams Cos. Inc. backs out of challenge to gun law

by Graygal

Williams Cos. Inc. backs out of challenge to gun law


http://www.news-star.com/stories/081105/new_20050811037.shtml

TULSA, Okla. (AP) -- Williams Cos. Inc. has backed out of a federal lawsuit that challenges a new Oklahoma law that allows employees to keep firearms in their cars at work. This leaves ConocoPhillips as the primary plaintiff.
Whirlpool Corp. and The State Chamber had earlier opted out of the litigation. The law has been blocked pending the lawsuit.

In a written statement it released Tuesday, Williams Cos., said that continuing to pursue "this isolated issue through the courts would require a disproportionately large dedication of company time and resources.

"We believe we can better serve our employees, shareholders and customers by directing those resources to more productive activities," the Tulsa-based natural gas company said in its release.

Williams Cos. spokesman Kelly Swan said the company's decision to drop out of the lawsuit was not in response to any public criticism.

Last week, the National Rifle Association called for a nationwide boycott of ConocoPhillips.

The legal complaint was filed on Oct. 27 against Oklahoma Attorney General Drew Edmondson and Gov. Brad Henry.

It challenged amendments to the Oklahoma Firearms Act and the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act that would prevent business owners from prohibiting guns inside locked vehicles on company property.

It alleged the new legislation was unconstitutional and would undermine its policies to protect its workers.

In its statement Tuesday, Williams Cos. said it "remains fully committed to fostering a safe workplace" and that the company has an "expansive workplace safety and security program."

It continued: "We have determined that the company can preserve the overall effectiveness of our workplace safety and security policy through additional safeguards, as necessary."

The statement concluded: "Williams' policies are designed to conform to the laws in effect in the locations where we conduct business. To the extent that compliance with any law introduces any risk to workplace safety and security, Williams intends to take measures to mitigate that risk."

The remaining parties in the lawsuit are waiting for U.S. District Judge Terence Kern to rule on the motions they have filed, which includes ConocoPhillips' request for a permanent injunction against the new law.

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(MO) Man, 71, says he shot burglar

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(MO) Man, 71, says he shot burglar

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/12335535.htm

Man, 71, says he shot burglar

By ROBERT A. CRONKLETON

The Kansas City Star


A 71-year-old Leavenworth man told police Monday that he shot a man who had broken into his home.

The homeowner, who lives in the 1100 block of Pawnee Street, told police that he heard someone breaking into his home about 8 a.m. Monday, said Leavenworth Police Maj. Patrick Kitchens.

The homeowner said he saw a man standing at the top of a stairway near the garage. The homeowner told police he fired shots at the man, who fled out the door.

Police think the intruder is a 24-year-old Lansing man who showed up at a Leavenworth hospital at 10:30 a.m. His injuries were not considered life-threatening.

Kitchens said the Leavenworth County attorney would determine whether charges would be filed against the suspect.

Prosecutors could also consider charges against the homeowner, Kitchens said, although the decision to use deadly force could be justified if the suspect was committing an aggravated burglary.



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(TX) Ex-husband shot as he tries to break through door

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(TX) Ex-husband shot as he tries to break through door
Date: Aug 11, 2005 6:35 PM
http://www.news-journal.com/news/content/news/stories/2005/08/08/20050808LNJShooting.html

Ex-husband shot as he tries to break through door

By JAMES DRAPER

Monday, August 08, 2005

COOKVILLE – A 41-year-old man was shot to death early Sunday morning when he tried to break into the house where his ex-wife was staying with another man.

Chief Deputy Miguel Larsen of the Titus County Sheriff's Office said officers found William Joe Baker lying on the front porch of Marty Crocker's residence on County Road 3435.

According to a news release, Baker went to Crocker's home seeking his ex-wife, Anita Baker, 41. Crocker called the police, saying that William Baker was hitting the door and threatening to kill them.

Larsen did not know the relationship between Crocker and Anita Baker. She and William Baker had been divorced almost a year, he said.

While deputies were en route to the scene, Larsen said the emergency call was disconnected. Crocker called back moments later and told the dispatcher he had fired his semi-automatic rifle multiple times through the door, hitting Baker in the head.

"We don't have an exact number" of shots, Larsen said. Baker's body has been sent to Dallas for an autopsy. Crocker was not taken into custody, Larsen added.

"My understanding is the investigators conferred with the district attorney, and the decision was made at that time not to take him into custody," he said.

According to the release, the District Attorney's office will review the case once the investigation is completed.

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More Richmonders acting in self-defense
Prosecutors rule that two victims who shot attackers will
not face any charges

BY JIM NOLAN
TIMES-DISPATCH STAFF WRITER

Aug 10, 2005

Richmond is armed and dangerous. And we're not just talking
about the bad guys.

Since March, there have been at least three fatal shootings
of armed suspects by armed victims. In at least two of
those cases, Richmond prosecutors say it was in
self-defense.

The Richmond commonwealth's attorney's office has concluded
that the martial-arts instructor who fatally shot former NFL
cornerback Mike Brim during a confrontation last April in
South Richmond acted in self-defense.

Prosecutors have also decided that a pizza deliveryman acted
in self-defense in March when he fatally shot a teen who
attempted to rob him in the Hillside Court neighborhood,
also in South Richmond.

Officials said they are awaiting toxicology reports before
reaching a conclusion about the fatal shooting of a
14-year-old boy. Police said the boy attempted to rob a
47-year-old man with an unloaded rifle in the East End in
June.

"It does appear to us in the commonwealth's attorney's
office that a lot of people are armed with weapons," said
Deputy Commonwealth's Attorney Learned D. Barry, the city's
top homicide prosecutor.

"And because of that, situations like these are becoming
more and more prevalent."

Investigators said that Brim, 39, trailed Gary Miles to a
house on Pineway Drive from his workplace at the American
Karate Center on Huguenot Road on April 19.

A police investigation found that Brim, a former Virginia
Union University standout who played eight seasons in the
National Football League, opened fire on Miles, shooting at
him several times and striking the instructor in one leg.
Miles, who was also armed, returned fire, striking Brim in
the torso, killing him.

"Based on the fact that the deceased followed Mr. Miles to
the scene and fired at him first, we have no choice but to
rule it self-defense," Barry said.

"There were multiple rounds from Mr. Brim's gun, and only
one from Mr. Miles'."

Law-enforcement sources said they believe Brim's motivation
for attacking Miles centered on a woman whom men both knew.
The men also knew each other as their children played in the
same local AAU basketball program.

In the pizza-delivery case on March 11, an investigation
determined that a teenage boy approached the delivery man on
the 1800 block of Southlawn Avenue with "a gun or what
appeared to be a gun" with the intention to rob him, said
Barry.

He said the delivery man fatally shot the teen in
self-defense and then stayed at the scene and called police
to tell them what had happened.

Prosecutors have not made a determination on the most recent
case. On June 12, police said Rodvon Daymetric Brown, 14,
attempted to rob a man sitting in a car at 24th Street and
Fairmount Avenue with an unloaded .22 caliber rifle.

Brown, according to investigators, had duct-taped an
ammunition clip from an assault-style rifle to the barrel of
his gun to make it look more menacing. The man in the car
responded by firing the .40-caliber handgun that he had in
his vehicle, fatally wounding Brown.

"It is clear to us a robbery attempt was being made by an
armed juvenile," Barry said. "We're waiting a little bit
more for the toxicology to come back before we're sure that
it's self-defense or not."

The fact that Brown's rifle was not loaded won't make a
difference in the determination of whether he was shot in
self-defense, according to officials.

"The victims have no clue if it is a real weapon or loaded
weapon or not," Barry said. "And they have to protect
themselves."

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EDITOR (That explains the giant sucking sound.)

by Nancy :)

i love this letter:)

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EDITOR (That explains the giant sucking sound.)
Date: Aug 12, 2005 11:00 AM
PUBLICATION: The Edmonton Sun
DATE: 2005.08.12
EDITION: Final
SECTION: Editorial/Opinion
PAGE: 10
COLUMN: Letters to the Editor

ISN'T IT ironic that Toronto-area politicians were the big force behind
the anemic gun registry and now Toronto is becoming the new centre of
the universe for gun violence? I wonder if they feel the $2 billion
wasted on the gun registry is worth it now? Maybe the so-called centre
of the universe is just a black hole.

V. Cooper

EDITOR (That explains the giant sucking sound.)


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Letter: I'd rather be a criminal than register my guns

by Graygal

Letter: I'd rather be a criminal than register my guns
Date: Aug 10, 2005 8:34 AM
PUBLICATION: Vancouver Sun
DATE: 2005.08.10
EDITION: Final
SECTION: Editorial
PAGE: A13
COLUMN: Soundoff
BYLINE: James Pocklington
SOURCE: Vancouver Sun
WORD COUNT: 188

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I'd rather be a criminal than register my guns

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I was shocked to receive a directive in the mail that I had to renew my
"Possession Only" registration for two small .22-calibre guns. The
government demanded a $60 reregistration fee (more than the guns are
worth) and another photograph to issue a new registration.

I made the error of following the new law and registered my firearms
five years ago. Now, for no apparent reason, they are demanding I fill
out another bunch of forms and pay another fee. Is this the way the
government intends to waste another $1 billion of law-abiding citizens'
taxes?

Contained in the letter is a threat that, if the registration is not
renewed immediately, I would be criminally responsible for having guns
without a valid registration. Also, if I was slow in registering and
paying the $60 fee, I could not renew without taking a special course
designed for new gun owners. What a complete farce.

I do not intend to continue this ridiculous charade any further. So this
fall, I will become a criminal possessing guns that I have owned for
over 45 years.

J P
West Vancouver


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BACKGROUND INFORMATION

by Graygal

BACKGROUND INFORMATION

Many of 1.2 million firearm owners are receiving licence renewal notices
from the Canada Firearms Centre with a request for more fees. They are
asking why they have to pay when many of their neighbours got their
licences renewed for free. If the gun registry is really a public
safety program then the public should pay the full cost - not off-loaded
by the Liberals on to the backs of law-abiding firearms owners.

October 26, 2004 - GARRY BREITKREUZ'S QUESTION: Liberal brain trust
over there is giving away free firearms licences to 770,000 randomly
selected gun owners...
http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/questions/oct-26-2004.htm

The Moncton Times and Transcript Column: More hassles with licensing of
firearms
http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/Article468.htm

Le Soleil Column: Ottawa applying the Firearms Act by means of a
discriminatory lottery
http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/Article467.htm

Saskatoon Star Phoenix: Gun registration lottery unconstitutional: Sask.
MP
http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/Article449.htm

GOVERNMENT RESPONSE TO ORDER PAPER QUESTION Q-54 RESPONSE: FIREARMS
CENTRE LOSES TRACK OF 46,509 MORE FIREARM LICENCE HOLDERS!
http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/Article525.htm

NATIONAL POST: Firearms centre loses track of 46,000 gun owners:
http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/Article534.htm

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Applause

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As a former RCAF veteran , and a police officer for 30 years,

I applaud Mr. Pocklington for his stand.

No thinking person can regard 'gun control' legislation as anything

other than the 'theft' of $2.5 billions which would have been better spent

medicine, education, and law enforcement.

Gun control has been in effect since 1934, (handguns) and look how

well THAT'S done!

Punish the criminal, that oughta do it!

It's time we ended the charade!

Len Miller

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COLUMN: FIGHT GUN VIOLENCE: SCRAP THE REGISTRY

by Graygal

COLUMN: FIGHT GUN VIOLENCE: SCRAP THE REGISTRY
Date: Aug 10, 2005 8:06 AM
PUBLICATION: The Toronto Sun
DATE: 2005.08.10
EDITION: Final
SECTION: Editorial/Opinion
PAGE: 19
BYLINE: PETER WORTHINGTON, TORONTO SUN
COLUMN: Write Stuff
WORD COUNT: 477

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FIGHT GUN VIOLENCE: SCRAP THE REGISTRY

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HOW MANY times have we gone over this -- gun violence and gun
registration and how the two have little relevance to each other? The
media, politicians, police and public all agree that something must be
done to halt the increasing tendency towards gun violence in Toronto --
especially handgun violence, which has had strict regulations and
controls since 1934. It's a familiar refrain. Yet little is achieved.

There's no mystical secret on how to curb the use of guns, but our
society simply isn't willing to do what works. Clearly, what doesn't
work is gun registration. That reality is painfully obvious, yet those
who bray the loudest against all firearms are often the ones most
aggressively opposed to what may reduce firearm violence.

Take Toronto, where we all share varying degrees of outrage and unease
over 22 shootings in barely two weeks. The Sun editorializes on the
subject, as does the National Post and other papers -- all sensibly, but
all missing key points. In Toronto, most of the victims of shootings are
black; most of the shooters are black. Black community and church
leaders are urging people to come forward and help the police --
something many have understandably been reluctant to do, fearing
reprisals.

Yet gun violence is more than a "black problem" -- as every black
citizen knows. Toronto's gun-gang problem is largely imported from
crime-plagued Jamaica, where many of the shooters are from. Until
recently, this has been unmentionable in Toronto. Racial profiling, and
all that.

Police know it, the posturing Mayor David Miller knows it, as does
dithering Dalton McGuinty. But will any of them acknowledge it? Not
bloody likely! So law-abiding Toronto black citizens (including the
majority of Jamaicans) continue to be victimized by other blacks, many
if not most of whom are linked to Jamaica. Some who've been deported
later re-emerge in Canada.

The most favoured deterrent is mandatory prison sentences for using a
gun in a crime. How is that a deterrent when it isn't implemented? Too
often, the existing "mandatory" sentence for using a gun in a crime gets
plea-bargained away. For shame.
Toronto's political leaders wonder at how New York changed under Rudy
Giuliani from being America's most lethal and crime-ridden city into the
safest city for its size. But our leaders dare not try Giuliani's
formula here.

BEGGARS REVERED

Giuliani did it by cracking down on all lawbreaking -- from littering,
vagrancy and innumerable petty offences to murder. The payoff from
fingerprinting and identifying minor criminals was that in major crimes,
many fingerprints matched and the police had leads. Meanwhile, in
Toronto, beggars, squeegee people et al. are not only tolerated but
practically revered. Not a great way to purge crime and criminals.

When gun violence becomes endemic, there is also the solution invoked by
Florida, Texas and 40-plus other states -- allowing honest citizens to
carry concealed weapons. To the surprise of everyone, gun crimes dropped
precipitously in those states. Lowlifes considering shooting up a
McDonald's for kicks were deterred by the prospect that a Big Mac
customer with a concealed gun might very well shoot them. That would
never wash in Canada, least of all in Toronto, but it might deter gun
crimes here as it has in the U.S. Some think more police would deter gun
violence. Unlikely.

More practical would be ending long-gun registration, and using the
billion dollars saved to change laws so that violent criminals are
easily jailed and/or deported; or, put bluntly, themselves shot by
police. The choice is ours.


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Letter: Gun registry didn't stop shootings in Toronto

by Graygal

Letter: Gun registry didn't stop shootings in Toronto
Date: Aug 10, 2005 7:48 AM
PUBLICATION: The Windsor Star
DATE: 2005.08.10
EDITION: Final
SECTION: Editorial/Opinion
PAGE: A7
BYLINE: Bruce Mills
SOURCE: Windsor Star
WORD COUNT: 134

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Gun registry didn't stop shootings in Toronto

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Out of all the newspaper articles I read, and all the television news
broadcasts I watched regarding the latest rash of shootings in Toronto,
not one, not one, had the guts to mention the failure of the Firearms
Act to prevent any of these crimes from happening.

Almost $2 billion has been wasted on this federal Liberal government's
failed ideological exercise in social re-engineering, which could have
been spent on putting more police on the streets, instead of behind
desks pushing papers. Where is the "culture of safety" which Anne
McLellan promised us would result from this legislation? Where is the
outrage over that? Why is the media ignoring this most salient of facts?


BRUCE MILLS
Dundas, Ont.


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Challenge to accusers: Take money from a gun owner!

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"A six year old boy picked up his father's gun out of a dresser drawer and shot a playmate to death. Another victory for the pro gun NRA who wants everybody armed and racks up points every time a criminal commits a crime."

I'm so sick of hearing legitimate gun owners criminalized and accused of supporting chaos that I've posed this challenge other places and so far not one answer.

I'd be willing to pay cash for the following:

Any part of the National Rifle Association web site, Jews for preservation of firearms or other actual site which supports gun ownership which clearly states that one of their goals is to see the mentally ill, convicted criminals, wife abusers, uneducated children or terrorists getting guns and harming victims.

Put your money where your lying mouths are! It should be easy! Surely you can find a spot on NRA.com where a criminal robbed somebody and the NRA knowingly provided a gun, training and a well wish, then sent a robber on his way.

I'm not talking about ciminal use where a gun was leally bought from an unknowing seller, stolen from an owner or any other crime where the criminal was to blame.

I want to know where the pro gun organizations who teach classes in gun safety, such as Eddie Eagle among others, advocate and promote giving guns to just anybody, regardless ass opposed to their ACTUAL STATED PURPOSE OF TEACHING GUN SAFETY AND PROMOTING PERSONAL PROTECTION AND ANTI TERRORISM AS WELL AS WANTING TOUGH PENALTIES FOR CRIMINALS TO DETER CRIME. I want to see where an abused wife fended off her husband with a gun and the NRA or anyone said "too bad the man didn't pick up HIS gun and waste his stinking wife."

You people are so convinced you're right, that we are the bad guys supporting bad guys, that I should be signing over my paycheck this week. Just go to NRA.com and find the information and e mail it to me.

Make me an idiot. According to you it's very easy.

littlebrowndaug@yahoo.com

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(AK) Mobile home intruder met by gunfire

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(AK) Mobile home intruder met by gunfire
Date: Jul 24, 2005 8:04 AM
http://www.adn.com/front/story/6730172p-6617745c.html


Mobile home intruder met by gunfire
SHOT TWICE: Neighbor saw burglar break, enter window.

By MEGAN HOLLAND
Anchorage Daily News

Published: July 21st, 2005
Last Modified: July 21st, 2005 at 04:52 AM


An intruder was shot twice after he climbed through a window in a mobile home and was met by an angry resident early Wednesday morning, Anchorage police said.


Shane Crousser, 20, whom police have charged with first-degree burglary and third-degree assault, was recovering from his bullet wounds at the Anchorage jail on Wednesday evening.

Shortly after 1 a.m. Wednesday, police said, an intruder entered a window of a trailer home at the Manoog's Isle Mobile Home Park on Lake Otis Parkway north of East Dowling Road. A neighbor heard glass shattering and saw the break-in occurring, police spokesman Ron McGee said. The neighbor called 911.

While on the phone with the police, the neighbor saw the resident get into a fight with the burglar. Then he heard shots, McGee said.

The burglar got into a dark-colored Ford Explorer and drove away.

A short time later, police say, Crousser showed up at an emergency room with gunshot wounds to his upper left thigh and lower right calf. They said they don't know what was behind the break-in and fight.

During a search of the trailer home, police discovered numerous marijuana plants, McGee said. Wednesday evening, McGee said the resident of the trailer had not been charged with anything.

"There is a strong possibility this was about the marijuana plants," McGee said.

Asked about the home occupant shooting the intruder, McGee said the law says a person can "use deadly force" if they are in fear of their life or a loved one's life. But a person cannot use deadly force to protect property.

Wednesday evening, Crousser was at the Anchorage jail with his bail is set at $15,000, according to jail authorities.


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(TX) Ex-officer kills suspected burgla, wounds another man

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(TX) Ex-officer kills suspected burgla, wounds another man

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Ex-officer kills suspected burglar, wounds another man

LUBBOCK, Texas - A retired Lubbock police officer fatally shot a suspected burglar on Thursday and wounded an accomplice after discovering the pair in his home.

James Kimber, 65, returned home shortly after noon and noticed his garage door opened slightly. Kimber went inside, got a handgun from the laundry area and started looking around. He then heard voices coming from a bedroom and the sound of a semiautomatic weapon being cocked, said Lubbock police Lt. Roy Bassett.

When Kimber opened the bedroom door, an armed man rushed him. Kimber fired, striking the man in the chest. Fermin Martinez Jr., 19, of Idalou, staggered out the door and died in the alley behind Kimber's home, police said.

Kimber also shot Richard Steven Lovato, 19, of Lubbock, in the leg and held him at gunpoint until officers arrived.

Kimber retired from the department in 1996.


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WA) Armed citizen's quick thinking yields arrests

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WA) Armed citizen's quick thinking yields arrests

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Armed citizen's quick thinking yields arrests
Man held suspected vehicle prowler for sheriff's deputies

BY SCOTT GUTIERREZ

THE OLYMPIAN

A citizen armed with a .44 Magnum stopped a suspected thief long enough for sheriff's deputies to make an arrest Tuesday morning.
The decision by Chuck Estes led to two arrests connected to a string of vehicle break-ins in a neighborhood near the intersection of Normandy Drive and View Ridge Drive, west of Lacey.

Estes didn't keep the gun -- a revolver with a 6-inch barrel -- pointed very long, he said. He holstered it immediately after determining the suspect didn't pose a threat, he said.

"I made it very clear to stay in the car and that he was not at risk and that I was not a threat," said Estes, 40, who has a concealed weapon permit.

It was about 4 a.m., and Estes was on his way to work when he noticed someone had sliced into his wife's convertible to steal her stereo and speakers. He didn't think he had time to deal with it right away.

But as he headed down the street, he noticed two younger males climbing into a Volkswagen Rabbit loaded with electronics and other equipment. He thought it seemed suspicious and decided to stop. One suspect ran.

Holding his flashlight and gun, Estes approached the driver's side window and ordered the suspect to put his hands on the dashboard. Then he called 9-1-1.

"Hopefully that's the last time I'll have to pull it out of the holster," Estes said.

The first suspect, seated in the front passenger seat, turned out to be Ryan W. Gill, 16, of Olympia, who was taken to the Thurston County Juvenile Detention Center on suspicion of first-degree theft and second-degree theft.

Inside the car was a laptop computer, Estes' speakers, a handheld global positioning system and a flashlight, according to police reports. Some items belong to another car prowl victim who also had his credit cards stolen.

Deputies also found a driver's license that helped them track down the second suspect, Matthew A. Borcherding, 21, of Olympia, who was arrested and booked into Thurston County Jail on suspicion of first-degree theft. Gill told deputies he was the lookout man, police reports say.

Unsolved cases

The sheriff's office gets hundreds of vehicle prowl reports every year, and many go unsolved, Chief Criminal Deputy Dan Kimball said.

In this case, deputies have confirmed at least five victims and possibly more.

"In all honesty, if he hadn't taken some action, we'd probably be sitting here today with several thousands of dollars in stolen property," Kimball said. "These kids would have gotten away with it, and we'd have no idea who did it."

Estes appears to have handled the situation skillfully and did some "good police work," Kimball said. However, the sheriff's office would prefer that citizens call 9-1-1 first.

"Be a good witness, call police and let them handle it," Kimball said. "Our standard response is that we don't want to see anybody get hurt."

Estes said he doesn't have any law enforcement background. He served in the military as a heavy equipment operator and now works as a superintendent at a sand and gravel operation.

He has had training in handling and shooting guns and is an avid hunter and recreational sportsman, he said. The best self- defense is being aware of your surroundings and using common sense, he said.

"I want to be very clear that I choose to carry a pistol for personal protection and not to go out and stop thugs and not to be a vigilante," he said.

He kept the gun out just long enough to ensure that he was safe and to retrieve his property, he said.

Estes, who has two teenage sons, said he would not have chased the suspect had he decided to bolt.

"I love kids, and they make mistakes," he said. "When I found out he was only 16, my heart fell out. What was he doing out at that hour? I hope this young man might see the light."


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(South Africa) Robbery victim shoots attacker

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(South Africa) Robbery victim shoots attacker
Date: Jul 24, 2005 8:03 AM
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=vn20050721093200566C155640

Robbery victim shoots attacker
July 21 2005 at 08:14PM

A Johannesburg tourist shot and killed a gangster when he and four others attacked her and three relatives on Palm Beach, near Ramsgate on the KwaZulu-Natal south coast, this week.

The woman was with relatives on the beach on Monday when a five-member gang wielding knives confronted the group.

Two of the men turned on the woman while the other three attacked the other three members of the family.

The woman took out her gun from her handbag and fired two shots at the men attacking her. The gang then ran off.

The next day the body of a 22-year-old man was found with a bullet wound behind the left ear near Mpenjati Nature Reserve.


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(CA) Drive-Through Shooting Leaves Suspect Dead

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(CA) Drive-Through Shooting Leaves Suspect Dead

Drive-Through Shooting Leaves Suspect Dead

SANTA MONICA, Calif. A gunman who allegedly tried to rob two men in the drive-thru area of a fast-food restaurant in Santa Monica Thursday was shot and killed during a confrontation with his intended victims, police said.

The violence occurred about 4:45 a.m. outside a 24-hour Jack in the Box at Lincoln Boulevard and Grant Street, said Santa Monica police Lt. Frank Fabrega.

The man, who was about 25, died at the scene. Authorities withheld his name pending notification of relatives.

"The victims ... said they were in the drive-thru area when a masked suspect approached their vehicle and displayed a knife and a handgun," Fabrega said.

A struggle ensued between the suspect and the passenger in the car, he said.

"During the struggle, the suspect stabbed the passenger victim in the hand," Fabrega said. "The driver retrieved a handgun and shot the suspect in the upper body. The suspect fled on foot and collapsed a short distance away."

Detectives determined the gun used to shoot the suspect had been stored in the car, Fabrega said. Investigators will try to determine if the driver had a permit to carry a concealed weapon.

Generally, it is not legal to carry a loaded weapon in a car without a permit, he said.

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(MI) Store clerk's gunshot fatal to teen boy

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Store clerk's gunshot fatal to teen boy
FLINT - A 14-year-old Flint boy was shot and killed Thursday night by a store clerk he may have been trying to rob.

Police were called to 2218 Lewis St. about 10:50 p.m. on an armed robbery and learned about a gunshot victim at Lewis and Mabel streets, investigators said.

The shooting victim, Hakeem Nelson, was taken to Hurley Medical Center and pronounced dead.


Police were told the store clerk, whose name was not released, shot the boy in the chest with a large-caliber handgun during a robbery attempt.

Hakeem was with another boy who may have been armed with a handgun, police said. The second suspect ran from the scene and was still at large this morning, they said.

It was the fourth serious shooting in as many days in the city.

A 17-year-old boy was in critical condition at Hurley after he was shot in the buttocks Thursday morning on E. Lorado Avenue, near Verdun Street.


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'Heroic' woman rushes to help as officer caught in gun struggle

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'Heroic' woman rushes to help as officer caught in gun struggle
Date: Jul 27, 2005 8:18 AM
PUBLICATION: National Post
DATE: 2005.07.27
EDITION: Toronto
SECTION: Toronto
PAGE: A8 / Front
BYLINE: Nicholas Kohler
SOURCE: National Post
ILLUSTRATION: Black & White Photo: Brad White, For National Post / A
PeelRegional Police investigator examines the scene of a shooting
yesterday at the Square One shopping centre in Mississauga.
NOTE: nkohler@nationalpost.com

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'Heroic' woman rushes to help as officer caught in gun struggle

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One of Monday's first rounds of gunfire was issued by a police officer's
Glock pistol, though the bicycle patrol cop did not willingly pull the
trigger.

The incident began at around 10 p.m. when the officer saw what he
suspected was a crack cocaine deal take place off Grange Court, just
south of Chinatown in the Dundas Street and Spadina Avenue area.

When the officer approached to arrest the man, he was forced to endure a
barrage of kicks and punches, Acting Staff Sergeant Mark Welch said
yesterday.

"He actually puts the officer in a headlock and tries to remove the
officer's gun," the officer said. "He actually was able to remove the
gun from his holster."

The scene was an officer off his bicycle in a bear-hug struggle for his
gun. "Both the officer and the accused had their hands on the gun and
were essentially fighting over it," said Acting Staff Sgt. Welch. "The
officer had no intention of firing the firearm," he added.

The fight squeezed out a single round from the handgun before the
officer regained control of the weapon. Just then, the assailant
allegedly bit the officer, drawing blood.

A passing woman who saw the officer in distress then stepped in to help,
holding the alleged culprit down so he could be handcuffed, Acting Staff
Sgt. Welch said, adding police intend to recommend the woman for a
Police Services Board citation.

"She quite honestly was heroic," he said.

The officer also sustained a cut to his elbow during the scuffle.

Chay Luu, a 28-year-old Vietnamese citizen who was known to police and
was already facing deportation, has been charged with numerous offences,
including assault with intent to resist arrest, assault causing bodily
harm and attempt to disarm a police officer.


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Criminal control! - Message with punch: Use a gun, you're done

by Nancy

Punish the CRIMINAL, NOT law-abiding gunowners!


Message with punch: Use a gun, you're done
Date: Jul 28, 2005 6:35 PM


Message with punch: Use a gun, you're done

OTHER OPINIONS • Thursday, July 28, 2005


alifornia has one of the toughest gun laws in the nation, "10-20-Life — Use a Gun, and You're Done." The law imposes mandatory sentences for criminals who use guns while attempting or committing violent crimes like murder, rape or robbery.

Those who ignore the law are sentenced to 10 years for pulling a gun, 20 years for firing a gun and 25 years



CHUCK
POOCHIGIAN
to life for shooting someone.

Unfortunately, eight years after the law was signed, the awareness of "10-20-Life" among would-be criminal gunmen in our state is too low for maximum deterrence.

Gun violence takes a serious toll on Californians every year. The human costs to the thousands of victims and their families are immeasurable. The actual costs to state and local governments associated with investigating, prosecuting and imprisoning perpetrators of gun violence are in the billions.

While general crime rates in the state have fallen over the past decade, there has been a disturbing increase in homicides. Typically, around 70% of all murders are committed with a gun. State policymakers need to take action to reduce violent gun crimes.

Investing in a coordinated statewide campaign to raise public awareness of the penalties for committing a crime while using a gun would help to keep many of these crimes from occurring in the first place.

Targeted programs stressing the penalties for gun violence have proven to be successful deterrents in jurisdictions where they have been employed.

For instance, Fresno initiated its own "10-20-Life" public awareness campaign the year after the law went into effect. Between 1997 and 1998, proponents of the law, led by Fresno resident Mike Reynolds, who spearheaded California's "10-20-Life" law, spent just $10,000 in donated funds and worked with local law enforcement and media to publicize the new penalties for gun violence.

There was a 40% decline in the number of gun-related homicides, robberies and assaults in Fresno that year.

In 1998, Florida launched its own version of California's "10-20-Life" law, complete with a $2.7 million public education campaign highlighting new penalties for gun crimes.

While both states' homicide statistics were comparable at the time the campaign started, by 2003, Florida's homicide rate and rank among states had dropped, while California's increased in both categories.

Deterrent effect

These examples demonstrate the deterrent effect that an effective "10-20-Life" public-education program can have. Previous promotional efforts have included freeway billboards, storefront posters, bumper stickers on police vehicles and educational materials for classrooms.

However, public service announcements on television and radio have probably had the biggest impact.

In Florida, action-star Chuck Norris was a spokesperson for the "10-20-Life" media campaign, as were local sports figures and law enforcement officials. In California, one wouldn't have to look too far for an action-hero spokesperson who could raise the profile of our "10-20-Life" law.

The category of people most likely to commit gun crimes, namely males between the ages of 15 and 25, would be the logical target for a coordinated public awareness campaign. Individuals who enter our corrections system at a young age are more likely to re-offend and return to prison as adults — often embarking on a life of crime. Publicizing the stiff penalties for gun crimes would aim to stop this vicious cycle.

This year I am carrying legislation, SB388, to create a pilot program to promote "10-20-Life" in a few jurisdictions across California. It is my hope that this would eventually be expanded to a statewide media and public awareness campaign. The measure has received broad support from both sides of the aisle, without any "no" votes to date. This is the kind of sensible anti-crime legislation that everyone can support.

Criminal justice policies only reach their full potential of impacting the behavior of would-be lawbreakers if they are simple to understand, tough enough to be deterrents and notorious enough, in the minds of criminals, to be remembered in the heat of the moment. California's "10-20-Life" law is lacking only in notoriety.

California spends more than $7 billion a year on the Department of Corrections alone. A promotional campaign would quickly pay for itself if it deterred gun violence and reduced the number of murders and robberies in our state by even a small percentage.

Invest in the message

An investment into promoting our state's "10-20-Life" law would actually save money while saving lives. We have the law, but we need to do more to educate criminals about the penalties for violating it. We must send the message to those who may be prone to gun violence that in California, if you use a gun, you're done.

►State Sen. Chuck Poochigian, R-Fresno, is the vice chair of the Public Safety Committee, and author of SB388, which would publicize California's "10-20-Life — Use a Gun and You're Done" law.


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Why do you carry a gun? (article)

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·HARASSMENT LAW WITH TEETH . . .

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·HARASSMENT LAW WITH TEETH . . . Frederick and Rosanee Shuger of
Berverly Shores, Indiana, were found guilty of hunter harassment after
they drove through their community where hunters were engaged in
bowhunting. They honked their car horns and allowed their dog to bark in
an admitted effort to disturb the deer. They were to be sentenced today
and faced up to 60 days in jail for each of two misdemeanor harassment
charges. In addition Frederick Shuger faces up to a year in jail for
intimidation.

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Letter: Has gun control helped situation? - Canada

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Letter: Has gun control helped situation?
Date: Jul 30, 2005 1:10 PM
PUBLICATION: The Toronto Star
DATE: 2005.07.30
EDITION: ONT
SECTION: National Report
PAGE: F7

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Has gun control helped situation?

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Putting violence in its context

July 27.

While I found some of the article's questions into why the sudden rash of shootings
in Toronto to be interesting, one question that begs to be answered is What about
the impact of gun control?

Mark Strait, Stouffville


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NATIONAL SHOTGUN CHAMPIONS . . . Brandie Neal and Randy Sotowa captured the women's and men's USA Shooting National Skeet Championship this past weekend in Fort Carson, Colorado. In the junior division, Kent Vail shot his way to top honors. See the USA Shooting Web site for complete results.

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(LA) Man kills burglar, police say

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(LA) Man kills burglar, police say
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Man kills burglar, police say
Cops: Victim is shot trying to break in
Saturday, July 16, 2005
By Stephanie Chen
River Parishes bureau
A 20-year-old Destrehan man, who authorities say was attempting to burglarize a home, was killed Friday when the resident shot him in the side.

Authorities said Nikita Dabney, of 315 River Oaks Drive, fell down the 20-foot ladder he had climbed to gain entry into the two-story duplex.


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He collapsed in the back yard and was pronounced dead when authorities arrived at the home in the 300 block of Meadows Drive in Destrehan about 12:30 p.m., said St. Charles Parish Sheriff Greg Champagne.

Authorities say Dabney had climbed an extension ladder outside the home and broke into the second floor through a window. Two other men, Samuel Vinett Jr., 19, of Destrehan and an unidentified 16-year-old juvenile also from St. Charles Parish, are accused of trying to burglarize the home with Dabney. They were arrested Friday and booked with burglary and manslaughter, Champagne said.

A court date and bail will be set Monday, he said.

"Whether or not they intended for a killing to happen, they can be charged with manslaughter," Champagne said.

Champagne said the two may not have pulled the trigger, but their participation in a felony fits the manslaughter charge.

Authorities said Vinett and the 16-year-old remained in the yard while Dabney entered the window on the second floor of the home, where he was shot by a male resident. Authorities would not release the resident's name, but said he was in his 30s.

Champagne said Dabney was shot in his arm and side with a .40-caliber handgun. An autopsy is scheduled for today to determine how many times Dabney was shot. Capt. Pat Yoes, a spokesman for the St. Charles Parish Sheriff's Office, said none of the suspects had weapons.

If weapons had been found on the two, Yoes said the charges could have become second-degree murder.

Vinett is being held at the parish jail in Killona, and the minor will be sent to a nearby juvenile detention center.

The resident who shot Dabney has no prior convictions, Champagne said, adding that the man's action was a "justified use of deadly force."

"Any resident has the right to protect themselves," Champagne said.

The neighborhood, known as Red Church, has more burglaries and robberies than other parts of St. Charles Parish, Champagne said.

The gunfire seemed endless, said Yolanda Brown, who lives across the street. Brown said she pushed her children -- ages 7, 11, and 13 -- to the back of the house, where they huddled in fear.

"I don't feel like this is safe anymore," she said.

Brown's lease will expire this month, and she hopes to move her children to another neighborhood.

"I need to move," she said. "This just hit too close to home."


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TN) Robbery suspect killed at diner

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TN) Robbery suspect killed at diner

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Robbery suspect killed at diner
2 others die; deaths push '05 total to 72

By Sherri Drake
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July 13, 2005

Shawn Williams pointed to the bullet holes in the wooden walls of the coffee shop where his brother was shot hours earlier Tuesday.

Police say his 22-year-old brother Brandon Underwood and a woman, both armed with knives, came in about 12:45 a.m. and tried to rob the CK's.






An off-duty security guard having coffee in the shop shot Underwood and killed him.

"I heard he didn't get no money or nothing," Williams said, standing on the porch of the restaurant at 3530 Summer, where customers continued to come in for breakfast. "That man that shot him could have just shot him in the arm or leg."

Police say it was a bloody early morning in Memphis with three killings in three hours, bringing the year's homicide tally to 72.

After the shooting on Summer, a Mapco clerk was shot and killed when a man robbed the gas station on New Allen and another man was found dead in his apartment on Getwell.

Police say what's leading to the killings is unsettling.

"These types of incidents are what we want to address," said Sgt. Vince Higgins. "The robberies are turning more violent ... This violence is ending in death, whether you look at the suspect or the victim."

About 3:40 a.m., 50-year-old Jerome Vick, a clerk at the Mapco at 4311 New Allen, was shot and killed as he struggled with a man trying to rob the store, police said.

The suspect drove away in a white 1993-1995 Mazda 626 with the driver's side front hubcap missing.

The suspect is described as a black man, 23 to 25 years old, medium build, about 6-foot-1, with a medium to dark complexion and a slight moustache.

He wore a black hooded sweatshirt with the hood over his head, a black T-shirt underneath, the collar pulled over his mouth. He was armed with a black semi-automatic handgun.

About 10 minutes after the Mapco shooting, police were called to an apartment at 2995 Getwell, where a man said he found his roommate, 27-year-old Marshall Beasley, on the floor, shot in the chest.

All evidence indicates Beasley was the ice cream man arrested last month after undercover officers bought pot from him several times at his ice cream truck in the Parkway Village area, Higgins said.

CK's waitress and cook Joyce Lepard said Tuesday she'd known the man who was killed during the robbery since he was a boy.

"He came in here last week to use the phone," she said. "He said, 'Hi, Ms. Joyce. Bye, Ms. Joyce.'"

Police say Underwood came in the shop wearing a ski mask and held a customer at knifepoint as his female accomplice tried to open the cash register. When she couldn't get the register open, they told a customer, an off-duty security guard, to open it. The security guard, who police didn't identify, drew his gun and shot Underwood.

The unidentified woman is in police custody, but hadn't been charged Tuesday.




    
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2 try to rob jewelry store; 1 suspect shot, still at large (AZ)

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2 try to rob jewelry store; 1 suspect shot, still at large

AHWTUKEE FOOTHILLS - A jewelry distributor shot and wounded at least one of two masked, armed men who walked into a store Monday afternoon to rob it, authorities said.

The attempted armed robbery at Loretta's Ahwatukee Jewelers at lunchtime in a community that seldom sees such violence brought back memories of the November murder and robbery of an armored car guard just two miles away.

In Monday's incident, one suspect was shot in the leg and taken to Maricopa Medical Center in police custody. Police said the other suspect was likely wounded based on witness accounts.

Police went door to door looking for the suspect at the Mountainside Luxury Rentals, an apartment complex at 3625 E. Ray Road, warning residents to be cautious and calling the suspect a "dangerous individual."

Ray Road was closed for about four blocks and traffic on Ray was diverted at Ranch Circle well into the rush hour.

"We need to find this guy," said Detective Tony Morales, a Phoenix police spokesman. "If he's still alive, we need to get him some help."

Morales said the jewelry distributor, whose name was not released, quickly drew his gun when he saw the armed men entering the store near Ranch Circle and Ray Road about 12:45 p.m. Investigators do not believe the suspects fired back, although a round had been fired through one of the shop's windows.

A silver handgun used by one of the suspects was discarded outside the resale and repair store. Authorities did not say whether that handgun belonged to the man in custody or the accomplice.

Dan Serfilippi, 17, of Ahwatukee arrived before emergency workers and saw one of the suspects in the landscaped median on Ray Road.

"He was laying on the ground screaming in pain," Serfilippi said. "I think he was saying, 'Help me.' "

Penny Corbett didn't hear the gunshots from inside Postal Radar, a shipping business she manages across from Loretta's. She closed the store at 2 p.m. because of the road closure.

Corbett doesn't keep a gun in the store and says it isn't worth it due to the nature of her business.

A suspect is still at large in the Nov. 29 shooting death of armored-car guard Robert Keith Palomares, 24.

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LA) Police arrest Bossier City shooting victim

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Crime NewsPolice arrest Bossier City shooting victim
June 30, 2005
From Staff Reports

A 20-year-old Bossier City man who was shot outside an apartment complex Tuesday night will be booked on a charge of attempted aggravated burglary after he is released from a local hospital, authorities said.

Terrance Campbell, of the 2500 block of Montgomery Lane was listed in good condition Wednesday at LSU Hospital in Shreveport, a hospital spokesman said.

He remained under guard pending being booked into the Bossier City Jail, city spokesman Mark Natale said.

Campbell was struck by two bullets in his right leg after he entered a unit at Scott Street Apartments about 9 p.m. Tuesday, Natale said. Police detectives believe Maurice Jefferson, 21, of the 5600 block of Pampus Street shot Campbell with a handgun as Campbell, who also armed with a gun, entered an apartment where Jefferson was visiting a woman, Natale said.

Detectives believe that Jefferson acted in self-defense and that Campbell attempted to confront Jefferson as a result of an ongoing dispute.

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TX) Gun shop owner apprehends suspect during armed robbery

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Gun shop owner apprehends suspect during armed robbery

A juvenile is in jail charged with holding up a local gun store. Three other suspects remain on the run.

Waco Police say four people stole several guns from the Guns R Us gun shop in the 2100 block of La Sallare just after 1:00 Thursday afternoon.


Owner Gary Hammond says the suspects said they wanted to buy some equipment, but when he turned away to get it, the suspects stole eight guns and ran from the store.


Three of the suspects ran across the street and started shooting at Gammond before driving off in a car. Hammond caught the fourth suspect, identified only as a 16-year-old male.



Hammond says, "Too many guns in the hands of people who shouldn't have them. Law-abiding citizens need the guns, not criminals."


The Waco Police Department and agents with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms are investigating the case.



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(NY) No charges for wife who shot and killed her husband

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Hamilton County investigators said Joan O'Neill shot her husband in the back, killing him inside their home in the Town of Wells. Joan was charged with Second Degree murder. Now, the grand jury has reached a different conclusion.

"She will face no criminal charges and no prosecution for the events that took place on May 4," said Special Prosecutor Louise Sira.

At a press conference, Special Prosecutor Louise Sira painted a dark picture of how the events unfolded over the years.

"Mr. O'Neill has suffered from post traumatic stress disorder. He is a combat veteran of Vietnam," said Sira.

He is also decorated for saving another soldier's life. But Sira said the stress that ended his career as a Schenectady police officer also led to threats against his family, and were backed up by the nine illegally owned and loaded handguns he kept around the house.






Woman cleared by Grand Jury

A Grand Jury cleared a Town of Wells woman who shot and killed her husband in early May.


"Mr. O'Neill made it extremely clear to Mrs. O'Neill that if she called the police again, he would kill the police officer who came to the house," said Sira.

Officials said Robert chose their Pumpkin Hollow Road home based on its strategic location. It overlooks Route 30 and Pumpkin Hollow Road, and the high ground usually wins in a battle. That's one reason why officials said the threats were taken so seriously.

Mrs. O'Neill's attorney said a visit from the police would have led to tragedy.

Attorney William Martuscello said, "He was going to be ready for them. It was going to be a blood bath."

It came to a head May 4. Officials said Robert got into a fight with his son, and things quickly got out of hand.

"Mrs. O'Neill heard the bolt action of the rifle that had been broken in the previous altercation," said Sira.

And that's when Joan made the decision to end the fight, without risking the lives of police officers who would be targeted if called to the scene.





    
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(OH) Homeowner thwarts break-in with handgun

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Homeowner thwarts break-in with handgun
Two suspects left with gunshot wounds after N.Ky. incident


DRY RIDGE - Two burglary suspects were hospitalized Saturday after a 79-year-old homeowner said he opened fire on them after they broke into his Ellen Kay Drive residence.

The men, whose names were not available, were listed in serious and fair condition at University Hospital in Cincinnati, a nursing supervisor said. They were flown by medical helicopter after the pre-dawn shooting.

Gayle Martin, who lives alone, said he was awakened shortly before 5 a.m. by the sound of his back door being battered. He grabbed his .357-caliber Magnum handgun and went to check out the noise. He said he saw two men and figured they were going to rob him.

"They were in the house. They had just broke in. I didn't let them get any farther," Martin said. He started shooting and the men ran from the house. Martin said he did not recognize either man.

Sheriff's deputies arrived at Martin's house after receiving a 911 call from the residence at 4:55 a.m. They found the suspects, suffering from gunshot wounds, after searching the area.

Grant County Sheriff Randy Middleton called Martin lucky. "He's very lucky. They probably would have killed him."

Middleton also said Martin's marksmanship was impressive. "He's a good shot," he said.

Neighbor Nancy Collins, who has lived on Ellen Kay Drive for 30 years, said break-ins in the somewhat rural neighborhood are uncommon. "I felt safe on this street until now," she said.

She described Martin as a "very nice gentleman," who "stayed off by himself."

Deputies have not filed any charges in the case.

"We probably won't, because they were trying to break into his house," said Middleton.

Six hours after the shooting, Martin said he was feeling lucky that he wasn't hurt.

"I'm still a bit shook up," he said.

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(CA) Gunman Shot By Store Clerks During Acampo Robbery

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(CA) Gunman Shot By Store Clerks During Acampo Robbery
Date: Jul 20, 2005 6:05 PM

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Gunman Shot By Store Clerks During Acampo Robbery
A robbery suspect is in critical condition after being shot several times by two Acampo grocery store clerks during a botched hold-up, according to the San Joaquin County Sheriff's Department.

Parolee-at-large Daniel Godoy, 37, of Galt is listed in critical condition at San Joaquin General Hospital with multiple gunshot wounds following the attempted robbery at AM Market, 4579 East Acampo Road in Acampo Friday night.

Deputy Les Garcia said Godoy was armed when he walked into the market around 9:30 p.m. Friday and attempted to rob employees. According to witnesses, one of the store clerks produced a handgun and confronted Godoy, who then pointed his gun at the armed clerk. The clerk, in fear for his life, fired his gun, hitting Godoy several times, Garcia said.

According to Garcia, Godoy then attacked the clerk, moving the altercation outside the store. Another clerk then produced a second handgun and shot Godoy again multiple times. The clerks were not injured during the robbery.

Garcia said investigators are looking into the circumstances surrounding the shooting to determine whether any charges will be filed against the store employees.

In addition to the robbery, Godoy is also a suspect in a string of other robberies in the Stockton, Lodi and Acampo areas in recent weeks, Garcia said.

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IN) Prowler prompts man to fire gun

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IN) Prowler prompts man to fire gun
Date: Jul 24, 2005 8:02 AM
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Prowler prompts man to fire gun
By JASON MICHAEL
Daily Journal


July 21, 2005

A White River Township man shot at a prowler who attacked him at his home early Wednesday, according to police reports.

A resident along the 1100 block of Stones Crossing Road said someone hit him in the abdomen and back of the head while he was in his backyard searching for a possible prowler, police reports said.

The resident told police he fell to the ground and fired a single shot from his .38 revolver to scare off the prowler, according to police reports. Sheriff’s deputies do not believe the prowler was shot, said Doug Cox, sheriff’s office chief deputy.

Greenwood police sent a canine unit to help search for the prowler, but they were unable to find him. The dog could not pick up a good scent in the victim’s backyard, according to police reports.

The resident was walking to the bathroom about 4:30 a.m. when he noticed outside motion lights were on in his backyard, police reports said.

A chain link fence surrounds the backyard. An outbuilding in the backyard had the motion light attached to it.

The resident got his revolver and went outside to see why the light was on. He listened for a moment, heard nothing and turned back to go inside. Someone attacked him while he passed a pine tree, the resident told police.

He said he fired his weapon while dropping to the ground but was not aiming his weapon at the prowler.

Police have no description of the prowler, other than he or she may be about 6 feet tall and had a male voice.

Police found no damage to the outbuilding or evidence that someone tried to break into the resident’s property.

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(TN) Shooting at party ruled self-defense

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(TN) Shooting at party ruled self-defense at a graduation party early Sunday morning was justified, prosecutors determined Thursday.

"It appears to be bona fide self-defense," Jackson County Chief Assistant Prosecutor Mark Blumer said.

Although John Bartel, 51, will not be charged in the shooting, he faces a charge of illegally carrying a concealed weapon.

"If he would have had a concealed weapons permit from Tennessee, we would have honored it," Blumer said. The .45-caliber handgun was not licensed, he said.

Leoni Township police said there was a fight at a graduation party for Michigan Center graduate Brandon Bartel at 440 S. Sutton Road.

A young man was asked to leave, and he returned with friends to start the fight that led to the shooting, officials said.

John Bartel suffered multiple fractures to his jaw, but it is unclear if he was struck with a fist or an object, Blumer said. Bartel fired his gun, striking two men, ages 22 and 24.

The 24-year-old Brooklyn man remains at the University of Michigan Hospital with a bullet wound to his chest.

A 22-year-old man from Leoni Township was treated for a graze wound to the head and was not hospitalized.

Police declined to name the hospitalized man, who could face assault charges. The incident remains under investigation.

John Bartel returned to Tennessee for surgery on his jaw, Blumer said.


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FL) Fatal double shooting in Jacksonville ruled justifiable homicide

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FL) Fatal double shooting in Jacksonville ruled justifiable homicide
Date: Jul 24, 2005 8:01 AM
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Published Wednesday, July 20, 2005

Fatal double shooting in Jacksonville ruled justifiable homicide

The Associated Press
JACKSONVILLE, Fla.
The fatal shooting of two Jacksonville cousins by a tenant they were trying to evict was ruled self-defense because one of them was brandishing a gun and a chain, State Attorney Harry Shorstein said Wednesday.

Shorstein ruled that the July 9 deaths of John McPherson, 21, and Calvin Threadcraft, 26, were justifiable homicides and "lawful self defense." They were shot along with landlord Pamela Batie, McPherson's sister. She survived.

"That's my decision, based on the facts that I have," said Shorstein, who reviewed the case last week.

Shorstein said the victims were armed with a handgun and chain when they entered the home and the tenant, Melvin Wilcox, was threatened. The eviction was illegal because the victims were not accompanied by a police officer, Shorstein said.

"The law is relatively simple," Shorstein said. "If someone enters your home and you are in fear of imminent death or great bodily harm, you can use deadly force."

In a disposition memo to Shorstein, Assistant State Attorney Alan Mizrahi wrote: "The law clearly gave Mr. Wilcox the right to stand his ground in his home and use deadly force to defend himself and his home."

Shorstein's decision didn't sit well with Leonard McPherson, father of Batie and John McPherson and uncle to Threadcraft.

"That ain't right. He killed two people," McPherson told The Florida Times-Union on Tuesday. "That's cold-blooded murder."

The victims were trying to evict Wilcox for not paying rent but weren't willing to wait for police, Leonard McPherson said. He said he urged them not to go.

Wilcox, 26, was questioned by police but not arrested, Shorstein said.

Florida legislators expanded the justifiable homicide law earlier this year, but Shorstein said the new law didn't apply in this case.

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TX) Police: Armed burglar killed by homeowner

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TX) Police: Armed burglar killed by homeowner
Date: Jul 20, 2005 5:57 PM
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July 15, 2005, 2:37PM

Police: Armed burglar killed by homeowner
Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle

A northwest Loop-area homeowner shot and killed an intruder early today, Houston police said.


The dead suspect, who has not yet been identified, was shot by Peter Heckler, 51, when he threatened Heckler with a weapon while trying to break into Heckler's home about 3:45 a.m., police said.

Heckler was not injured.

Police are still investigating the case, which they said will be referred to a Harris County grand jury.

The suspect's identity is pending an autopsy by the Harris County Medical Examiner's office.

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SAF, CCRKBA Support NRA Moving 2007 Convention

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SAF, CCRKBA Support NRA Moving 2007 Convention
Date: Jul 20, 2005 6:48 PM
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SAF, CCRKBA SUPPORT NRA DECISION TO MOVE 2007 CONVENTION
BELLEVUE, WA – The National Rifle Association's decision to pull its 2007 annual members' meeting and convention out of Columbus, Ohio one week after that city passed a ban on so-called "assault weapons" was correct and proper, the Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) and Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (CCRKBA) said today in a joint statement.

The move will likely cost Columbus an estimated $15 to $20 million in lost revenues, and possibly the largest convention that city would ever have hosted.

But SAF Founder Alan Gottlieb said American firearms owners shouldn't weep a single tear for the city. He called the ban "cheap political grandstanding that will get very expensive for the Columbus business community" and a "slap in the face" to law-abiding Ohio gun owners.

"This is what happens when political correctness replaces good judgment," Gottlieb stated. "Various studies strongly suggest the federal ban did nothing to reduce crime, yet the Columbus City Council chose to ignore those studies and make a social statement.

"But what kind of statement is it," Gottlieb wondered, "when it foolishly costs your community tens of millions of dollars in revenue, to say nothing of good will and publicity for a convention facility like they have in Columbus? The city council just couldn't resist sending a message to the NRA. But the NRA has sent a message of its own right back to the council, and it was the right message to send.

"There is a more important issue at stake," added CCRKBA Executive Director Joe Waldron. "The city council has accused the NRA of backing out on a commitment. There's an even greater commitment, to the rights of Columbus gun owners, and the Columbus business community, which the city council turned its back on by passing this ban. It's a piece of ‘feel good legislation' that may make the anti-gun extremists on the city council feel good, but it will leave a lot of very bad feeling with Ohio gun owners and the Columbus business community. At some point, probably at the end of the 2007 fiscal year, someone should ask the council if the ban was worth it."


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NSSF AT BOY SCOUT JAMBOREE . . . NSSF will promote safe shooting skills through its Junior

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NSSF AT BOY SCOUT JAMBOREE . . . NSSF will promote safe shooting skills through its Junior USA Shooting Team Patch Program at the Boy Scout Jamboree at Fort A.P. Hill in Caroline County, Va., July 25 through August 3. Over 40,000 Scouts and troop leaders will camp on-site and another 100,000 Scouts will attend as day visitors. NSSF will offer a modified version of its popular shooting patch rifle program throughout the Jamboree, allowing young people, under adult supervision, the opportunity to test their marksmanship skills. "This is a great opportunity for NSSF to promote the fun of target shooting to a young audience," said Jim Cassells, NSSF's organizer of the event. A partnership between NSSF and Boys' Life magazine, with assistance of NRA-certified volunteer instructors, is making it all possible. Unable to attend the Jamboree? You can find out more information about the Junior USA Shooting Team patch program and print your official 2005 qualifying target.

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CELEBRATING 1852 . . . Smith & Wesson offered factory tours as part of a three-day weekend

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CELEBRATING 1852 . . . Smith & Wesson offered factory tours as part of a three-day weekend event celebrating its Club 1852, which was formed last year to develop stronger relationships with consumers and already boasts 44,000 members. Thousands of visitors were able to enjoy the tours and seminars and browse vendor tents at the company's Springfield, Mass., headquarters. "It's to have a place where people who are passionate about Smith & Wesson can come together," Tom Taylor, vice president of marketing, said in a news story that pointed out that the event was part of the company's effort to be more focused on customers as it expands its brand.

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Editorial: Gun stats tell the story

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Editorial: Gun stats tell the story
Date: Jul 16, 2005 11:58 AM
PUBLICATION: The Ottawa Citizen
DATE: 2005.07.16
EDITION: Final
SECTION: News
PNAME: Arguments
PAGE: B7
SOURCE: CanWest Newspapers

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Gun stats tell the story

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THE PROVINCES: Excerpts from editorials that appeared this week in CanWest newspapers
across the land.


Gun stats tell the story

Vancouver Sun: Rarely a day goes by that we don't hear of someone, somewhere in
Canada, suffering a grisly death as a result of a firearm. Most recently, the high-profile
gun murders of a mother and her two children in London, Ont., and of four RCMP officers
in Mayerthorpe, Alta., can easily give the impression that gun violence is out of
control.

But impressions are not reality, and the reality of the situation is quite different.
While Canada has always had relatively low levels of gun violence, a recent report
from Statistics Canada shows that gun deaths have decreased dramatically in the
last quarter of a century.

Titled Deaths Involving Firearms, the report confirms that between 1979 and 2002,
firearms-related death rates fell by more than half in men (from 10.6 to 4.9 per
100,000 people) and by three-quarters in women (from 1.2 to 0.3 per 100,000). Further,
the number of homicides involving firearms decreased from 71 in 1979 to just 31
in 2002.

The general trend of declining gun deaths is unquestionably positive, and it's something
everyone should keep in mind when confronted with another high-profile gun-related
tragedy.

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National Post Editorial - Gun registry is no lifesaver
http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/2005_article588.htm

Calgary Herald Editorial - Gun-death decline not linked to registry
http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/2005_article587.htm

BUT DID OUR GUN LAWS ACTUALLY SAVE ANY LIVES?
By Garry Breitkreuz, MP, Conservative Firearms Critic - June 30, 2005
http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publicate/Columns/2005_june30.htm


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Gang suspects get bail and they wander why crime is "out of control" :????????????

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Gang suspects get bail
Date: Jul 15, 2005 8:12 AM
PUBLICATION: Calgary Herald
DATE: 2005.07.15
EDITION: Final
SECTION: City & Region
PAGE: B6
SOURCE: Herald News Services

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Gang suspects get bail

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Three of five alleged gang members recently arrested by Calgary police were released
on bail Thursday.

Vinh Le, 21, Henry Nguyen, 18, and Hieu Nguyen, 21 were all charged with careless
use of a firearm, illegal transportation of a firearm, unauthorized possession of
a firearm and possession of an overcapacity magazine, among others.

Vinh Le's brother, Dat Le, was killed last Saturday in an execution-style shooting
in a northeast strip mall that also claimed the life of Chuong (David) Tran.

Provincial Court Judge Bruce Millar attached numerous conditions to their release
including a curfew, and a ban on associating with gang members, and attending known
gang hangouts.

Last Tuesday, acting on a tip, police followed two vehicles and recovered two semi-automatic
handguns tossed from the cars in the northwest neighborhood of Tuscany.

All three will appear in court July 28 to enter pleas.


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THREE YEARS for two robberies (1 armed) and an attempted robbery. - ONLY 3 years????

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THREE YEARS for two robberies (1 armed) and an attempted robbery.
Date: Jul 15, 2005 8:20 AM
PUBLICATION: The New Brunswick Telegraph Journal
DATE: 2005.07.15
SECTION: News
PAGE: B2
COLUMN: News - Other

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In The Courts

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Purse snatchings net prison time

Vernon K. Raymond, 34, of Grand Manan, was sentenced on Thursday to three years
in prison for two robberies and an attempted robbery.

On Jan. 10, 2004, Mr. Raymond and another man drove around the North End of Saint
John and encountered a woman on Wright Street. The passenger of the vehicle Mr.
Raymond was driving reached out and grabbed the woman's purse. The woman was dragged
alongside the car before the passenger released the woman's purse.

Then, on Patterson Street, Mr. Raymond jumped out of the vehicle, grabbed another
woman's purse and ran off with it.

On April 18, 2004, Mr. Raymond robbed a Bonita Avenue convenience store while armed
with a handgun. He made off with $300 in cash and some cigarettes.

Another man, 20-year-old Charles James Israel, will be sentenced on July 28 for
his role in the two earlier offences.


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FREED TRIO RIGHT BACK IN JAIL

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FREED TRIO RIGHT BACK IN JAIL
Date: Jul 16, 2005 11:48 AM
- criminals and gang members really pay attention to laws/rules, don't they?

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PUBLICATION: The Calgary Sun
DATE: 2005.07.16
EDITION: Final
SECTION: News
PAGE: 10
BYLINE: NADIA MOHARIB, CALGARY SUN

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FREED TRIO RIGHT BACK IN JAIL
MEN ALLEGEDLY VIOLATED BAIL TERMS THAT PROHIBITED THEM FROM SEEING EACH OTHER

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Three alleged gang members only made it as far as the Calgary Remand parking lot
minutes after being released before city cops arrested them again.

Vinh Le, 21, Henry Nguyen, 18 and Hieu Nguyen, 21, were arrested Thursday night
-- the same day the men were granted bail in provincial court -- for allegedly breaching
conditions of their release.

According to cops, the men were in violation of release conditions that prohibited
them from associating with one another.

Cops said Vinh Le was using a cell phone which was a breach of a previous court
order in relation to drug-related charges he faces that are still before the courts.

Staff Sgt. Terry Larson of the community response team, said he was disappointed
to learn three alleged gang members accused of weapons-related offences received
bail in the first place.

"The police service is working on interrupting, suppressing and dismantling
gang activity and stopping the violence they are perpetrating and when we succeed
and they get out, it just makes it that much harder," he said. "But it
is the job of police to investigate, gather evidence, bring it before the courts
and testify -- that is our part.

"The rest is up to the judicial process and other members of that process."

The three men face weapons charges after police made arrests July 12. Cops said
they seized two loaded semi-automatic pistols.

Le was also charged with two counts of failing to comply, and Hieu Nguyen, who was
at the time of arrest under a court order prohibiting him to possess firearms, was
charged with three other firearms offences.

Le is the brother of Dat Le, a violent gang member executed, along with Chuong (David)
Tran, 21, by a lone gunman at a northeast gas station last Saturday afternoon.

Larson said he was pleased to hear the men were back in custody until their next
court appearance which is set for July 25.




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EDITOR (Our gun laws haven't stopped gang-related shootings from escalating.)

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EDITOR (Our gun laws haven't stopped gang-related shootings from escalating.)
Date: Jul 16, 2005 11:49 AM
PUBLICATION: The Calgary Sun
DATE: 2005.07.16
EDITION: Final
SECTION: Editorial/Opinion
PAGE: 14
COLUMN: Letter of the Day

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LETTER OF THE DAY COLUMN

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WHERE ARE they getting all the guns?

("Five men face gun charges -- Cops recover two pistols," July 13.)

One of the men charged in this incident was under a court order prohibiting him
from possessing firearms.

Why does it seem as though the federal Liberal government's much-vaunted Firearms
Act doesn't prevent alleged gang members from obtaining firearms?

Oh, that's right, they don't register their guns, so the registry has no effect
on them, does it?

These abject failures of the law and the courts to have any effect on the criminal
use of firearms would be laughable if they weren't so tragic.

This is what happens when you try to blame objects for criminal actions of individuals,
then don't hold those individuals severely accountable for those actions.

This is part of the tapestry of Liberal anti-gun and criminal coddling ideology.

Sadly, it is more likely to become a shroud than a banner.

Bruce N. Mills

EDITOR (Our gun laws haven't stopped gang-related shootings from escalating.)


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Editorial: The reality about gun deaths differs from the impression

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Editorial: The reality about gun deaths differs from the impression
Date: Jul 12, 2005 8:15 AM
PUBLICATION: Vancouver Sun
DATE: 2005.07.12
EDITION: Final
SECTION: Editorial
PAGE: A10
SOURCE: Vancouver Sun

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The reality about gun deaths differs from the impression

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Rarely a day goes by that we don't hear of someone, somewhere in Canada, suffering
a grisly death as a result of a firearm. Most recently, the high-profile gun murders
of a mother and her two children in London, Ont., and of four RCMP officers in Mayerthorpe,
Alta., can easily give the impression that gun violence is out of control.

But impressions are not reality, and the reality of the situation is quite different.
While Canada has always had relatively low levels of gun violence, a recent report
from Statistics Canada shows that gun deaths have decreased dramatically in the
last quarter of a century.

Titled Deaths Involving Firearms, the report confirms that between 1979 and 2002,
firearms-related death rates fell by more than half in men (from 10.6 to 4.9 per
100,000 people) and by three-quarters in women (from 1.2 to 0.3 per 100,000). Further,
the number of homicides involving firearms decreased from 71 in 1979 to just 31
in 2002.

The drop could be partly a result of the aging population, although there's reason
to believe that young people are now also less likely to become the victims of gun
violence: In 1979, the firearms death rate was highest for those between 15 and
24, but by 2002, the death rates for young people were indistinguishable from those
in older age groups.

While it's well known that crime rates tend to be higher in the West, British Columbia's
firearms-related death rate between 2000 and 2002 was slightly lower than the Canadian
average: B.C. registered 2.6 gun deaths per 100,000 population, compared to 2.7
per 100,000 in Canada.

All of this is good news for British Columbians and Canadians, and should help to
counter the impression that gun violence is becoming more common.

But there is some sad news as well: Eighty per cent of gun deaths aren't homicides,
but suicides. And while gun-related suicides have dropped along with gun-related
homicides, the suicide rate has remained relatively constant, as people increasingly
choose other means of ending their lives.

Perhaps the saddest news is that northern Canada is home to far more firearms-related
deaths than anywhere else in Canada. In contrast to Canada's rate of 2.7 deaths
per 100,000 people, Yukon and Northwest Territories experience about 10 deaths per
100,000, and Nunavut saw 17.8 deaths per 100,000 in 2000-2002, all of them from
suicides.

Still, though, the fact that fewer people are using guns to commit suicide (and
that there are now fewer accidental gun deaths) suggests that some legislation --
such as 1977's law requiring people to have a Firearms Acquisitions Certificate
-- might have helped to keep guns out of the hands of vulnerable people.

It's difficult to tell if subsequent legislation such as the gun registry has had
a similar effect, since the rate of gun deaths was already in decline when the registry
began. Further, the gun registry is aimed at rifles and shotguns (mandatory registration
for handguns has existed since 1934), which account for only about one- quarter
of all firearms deaths.

So the general trend of declining gun deaths is unquestionably positive, and it's
something everyone should keep in mind when confronted with another high-profile
gun-related tragedy.

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BUT DID OUR GUN LAWS ACTUALLY SAVE ANY LIVES?
By Garry Breitkreuz, MP, Conservative Firearms Critic - June 30, 2005
http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publicate/Columns/2005_june30.htm

NOS LOIS SUR LES ARMES À FEU
ONT-ELLES VRAIMENT SAUVÉ DES VIES?
Par Garry Breitkreuz, député, porte-parole conservateur en matière d'armes à feu,
30 juin 2005
http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publicate/Columns/2005_june30_fr.htm


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BRITAIN: Olympic marksmen will have to practise in Switzerland

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BRITAIN: Olympic marksmen will have to practise in Switzerland
Date: Jul 11, 2005 7:54 AM
PUBLICATION: The Daily Telegraph
DATE: 2005.07.11
PAGE: 02
SECTION: Features
NOTE: Comment
BYLINE: Philip Johnston

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Our Olympic marksmen will have to practise in Switzerland Home front

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One of the stars of the 1948 Olympics - the last time the games were
held in London - was a Hungarian called Karoly Takacs. Ten years
earlier, when he was a member of his country's world champion pistol
shooting team, an accident with a grenade shattered his right hand - his
pistol hand. Takacs taught himself to shoot with his left hand and, 10
years later in London, he won a gold medal in the rapid-fire pistol
event.

The reason for telling this story is that pistol shooting will, of
course, be an event at the games in 2012; but British shooters, because
of the ban on handguns introduced after the Dunblane massacre, are
almost as disadvantaged as Takacs because they cannot practise in their
own country at all.

They, along with all the shooting competitors from overseas, need a
special dispensation from the Home Secretary to bring their pistols into
the country. Indeed, in order to secure the bid for London, the Home
Secretary has already graciously granted his authority for the shooting
events to take place and for a test event in the previous year.

This column has previously highlighted the ridiculous predicament of
perfectly law-abiding sportsmen and women who happen to enjoy hitting
targets using pistols, rather than, say, an arrow or a dart. Some have
written to me, detecting the hand of a kindred shooter, but I have never
picked up a pistol or a rifle in my life, other than at a fairground,
nor a shotgun for that matter.

What exercises me is the sheer unfairness and disproportionate nature of
the imposition that has been placed upon law-abiding individuals because
of the murderous activities of a single madman, combined with the fact
that because shooting is a minority pastime, few politicians are
prepared to stand up for them.

The ranks of those who are so prepared were depleted still further by
the recent death of Lord Swansea, described in his obituary in this
newspaper last week as "one of the finest marksmen of his generation and
a dogged champion of the shooting lobby in the aftermath of the
Hungerford and Dunblane shootings''.

When the legislation banning handguns went through Parliament in 1997,
Lord Swansea said this: "The Bill will do nothing to improve public
safety. The criminal element will still be quite unaffected. They will
be laughing their heads off right now. I shall not be at all surprised
to see a continuation of crimes involving firearms held illegally.''

His words, as we now know, were prescient. Since the prohibition, there
has been a sharp increase in gun crime, though ministers recently hailed
a slight fall last year. But London is experiencing a record number of
gun killings and shootings, mostly linked to gangsterism and the drugs
trade, but also to resolve disputes and feuds.

An extraordinary report last week on an unpublished Metropolitan Police
survey of children under 16 living in inner London suggested that six
per cent of the group polled said they had fired a handgun and eight per
cent said they could easily gain access to one. Police say the number of
youths carrying firearms has doubled in the past five years and many
teenagers see them as fashion accessories.

So, banning pistols that are used in legitimate sporting events has not,
as Lord Swansea foresaw, made a ha'p'orth of difference to the criminal
possession of guns. Why do we in this country persist in introducing
legislation that inconveniences or even criminalises responsible,
sensible people in all walks of life, simply in order that politicians
can claim to have "done something''?

Since this is now blindingly obvious to everyone other than those who
will never be happy until air rifles and shotguns are also banned, the
time has surely come for a sensible reconsideration of this law, at
least as far as sporting shooters are concerned.

It seems patently unjust that, uniquely among the competitors preparing
for 2012, pistol shooters will have to go to Switzerland or wherever to
practise and the sport will find it hard to attract new adherents
because of the restrictions on ownership and the costs involved in
training overseas.

At the Sydney games in 2000, shooting had the third highest number of
countries competing. They must all think we are mad. And it is not the
first time this has happened. When the Commonwealth Games were held in
Manchester in 2002, the competitors' pistols were guarded on their
journey from the airport to the competition venue at Bisley.

The Cullen report into the Dunblane massacre never recommended a
complete ban; a partial prohibition was brought in by the last Tory
government and then fully implemented by Labour soon after it took
power. This affected the sport of an estimated 50,000 participants,
which is a pretty big minority, at a time when it was growing rapidly.

The anti-shooting lobby already has its sights set on further
restrictions. The age for using an airgun is being increased and there
is concern among sporting groups that the Animal Welfare Bill about to
go before Parliament will be used to impose restrictions on game
shooting, which supports up to 40,000 jobs and generates around pounds 1
billion annually for the rural economy.

We seem to have our priorities askew at the moment. One would have
thought that last Thursday's events in London would make our politicians
and law enforcers stop and think about who the real enemies are before
they further persecute the honest and the law-abiding.

As an example of this lunacy, a colleague was at King's Cross station in
London last week, the day before the bomb there, and was stopped by a
police officer who wanted to know why he was carrying a cricket bat. He
was, believe it or not, on his way to play cricket. The officer was then
required to fill out a lengthy form explaining why he had stopped him.
It is fortunate that cricket is not an Olympic sport, otherwise the
police would really have their work cut out.


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79 Year Old Homeowner Thwarts Break-in With Handgun

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79 Year Old Homeowner Thwarts Break-in With Handgun
Date: Jul 10, 2005 4:07 PM
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Sunday, July 10, 2005

Homeowner thwarts break-in with handgun
Two suspects left with gunshot wounds after N.Ky. incident

By Sheila McLaughlin
Enquirer staff writer

DRY RIDGE - Two burglary suspects were hospitalized Saturday
after a 79-year-old homeowner said he opened fire on them
after they broke into his Ellen Kay Drive residence.

The men, whose names were not available, were listed in
serious and fair condition at University Hospital in
Cincinnati, a nursing supervisor said. They were flown by
medical helicopter after the pre-dawn shooting.

Gayle Martin, who lives alone, said he was awakened shortly
before 5 a.m. by the sound of his back door being battered.
He grabbed his .357-caliber Magnum handgun and went to check
out the noise. He said he saw two men and figured they were
going to rob him.

"They were in the house. They had just broke in. I didn't
let them get any farther," Martin said. He started shooting
and the men ran from the house. Martin said he did not
recognize either man.

Sheriff's deputies arrived at Martin's house after receiving
a 911 call from the residence at 4:55 a.m. They found the
suspects, suffering from gunshot wounds, after searching the
area.

Grant County Sheriff Randy Middleton called Martin lucky.
"He's very lucky. They probably would have killed him."

Middleton also said Martin's marksmanship was impressive.
"He's a good shot," he said.

Neighbor Nancy Collins, who has lived on Ellen Kay Drive for
30 years, said break-ins in the somewhat rural neighborhood
are uncommon. "I felt safe on this street until now," she
said.

She described Martin as a "very nice gentleman," who "stayed
off by himself."

Deputies have not filed any charges in the case.

"We probably won't, because they were trying to break into
his house," said Middleton.

Six hours after the shooting, Martin said he was feeling
lucky that he wasn't hurt.

"I'm still a bit shook up," he said.


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(AL) Alleged Burglar Shot in East Montgomery

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(AL) Alleged Burglar Shot in East Montgomery
Date: Jul 10, 2005 7:43 PM
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Update: Alleged Burglar Shot in East Montgomery
Jul 5, 2005, 5:26 PM
The incident happened on Willow Glen Drive.


Montgomery police were first to respond.

Montgomery police now identify a man shot over the weekend by an off-duty police officer as 30-year-old Richard Cole of Montgomery. He is listed in stable condition at Baptist Medical Center South.

The gunshot rang out Saturday in an otherwise peaceful east Montgomery neighborhood.

Police say Cole parked his pick-up truck in front of the officer's house and walked into the back yard. The unidentified officer then confronted Cole, who was eventually shot in the stomach.

James Ladd lives next door. While waxing his car, he says he heard the two men arguing the street.

"I saw these two men out in the middle of the street going back and forth verbally," he says.

So Ladd went back to his waxing. About five minutes later, he says he heard a gunshot.

When he went to his window, he saw Cole lying in the street and the off-duty officer standing over him. He says the officer had a gun in one hand and a cell phone in the other.

Because the incident involved a police officer, the Alabama Bureau of Investigation is taking over the case.

But local police did do some of the initial investigating -- talking to a letter carrier who also witnessed the shooting, and speaking to other neighbors in the Woodmere subdivision.



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South Africa) Robber beaten with brolly, shot

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South Africa) Robber beaten with brolly, shot
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Durban - A man first used an umbrella to chase off two robbers who attacked him and his wife next to the road before he shot and killed one of the robbers with his pistol in a scuffle.

The couple, whose names the police are withholding for safety reasons, were attacked about 19:00 on Friday at the Nseleni turn-off along the N2 highway outside Richards Bay.

Superitendent Jay Naicker said two men armed with knives threatened the couple while they were waiting next to the road to catch a taxi to Nseleni.

The couple had had a lift on a truck up to that point.

The man first tried to keep the two robbers at bay with an umbrella.

A scuffle ensued when one of the robbers grabbed the man.

While the two were wrestling in the grass, the man took out his firearm and shot the robber in the leg and the chest.

The other robber grabbed the woman's handbag and fled.

Police found the man's body next to the road after the couple reported the incident to the Nseleni police station, said Naicker.





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(TX) Convenience store owner fatally shoots would-be armed robber

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Convenience store owner fatally shoots would-be armed robber

(7/04/05 - HOUSTON) — A convenience store owner turned the tables on a would-be armed robber, leading to some deadly consequences.

It happened at the Sunny's food store on Synott near High Star in southwest Houston just after 9pm Sunday. Police say the suspect walked into the store, jumped the counter, and demanded money while pointing a gun at the owner and another customer in the store. The owner was able to produce a gun to protect himself.

"The store owner fired two shots and the suspect was later found dead behind the store," said Officer Philip Yochum with the Houston Police Department.

Police say the owner has not been charged, and that the case will be turned over to the Harris County District Attorney's Office.




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NC) Police: Burlington store owner shoots would-be burglar

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(SC) Woman won't face charges in husband's death

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Woman won't face charges in husband's death

GAFFNEY, S.C. - A Gaffney woman who shot and killed her husband will not face charges, prosecutors said.

The Cherokee County prosecutor determined Wednesday that Regina Rector acted in self defense when she killed Dennis Rector, 30, with a single gunshot wound to his stomach from a .50-caliber rifle.

Dennis Rector was found shot to death at his home Friday night.

Regina Rector told investigators her husband armed himself, gave her a rifle and backed her into a closet. Regina Rector said she fired when her husband pointed his gun at her and moved like he was going to shoot.




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(TX) Brother in law armed with pistol rescues Coppell woman from wrench toting kidnapper

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(TX) Two people kidnap Coppell woman


Two people kidnap Coppell woman



After being reportedly beaten and kidnapped, a Coppell woman was found alive early Thursday morning.

According to officials, the suspects of the incident, Mia Ortiz, 23, and Jason Purcell, 18, are currently in Dallas County Jail, where bail is set at $50,000 a piece. The two were arrested on Thursday and charged with aggravated kidnapping.

Coppell police officials did not wish to comment on the incident, but they said it is currently being investigated by the Criminal Investigation Division.

According to an affidavit issued by the CPD, at 2:42 a.m., the Coppell Police Department responded to a disturbance call in the 300 block of Brooks Lane.

There, they discovered the victim, Michelle Frank, who narrowly escaped her two would-be kidnappers who threatened and beat her, and then took her against her will, according to an affidavit issued by the Coppell police.

Earlier that evening, Frank reportedly went to the apartment of Ortiz and Purcell in Dallas. According to the report, Frank knew Ortiz as a personal acquaintance.

When Frank entered the apartment, Purcell sprayed her in the face with mace and then began beating her with a wrench. Ortiz began punching the already wounded Frank in the head and face with her fists and then demanded money from her, according to the affidavit.

Then Purcell and Ortiz demanded to be taken to Frank's home where they could obtain money. The two forced her into Ortiz's car and then drove to Coppell.

According to an affidavit stated, "Purcell and Ortiz told [Frank] they would kill her if they did not get the money."

Frank escaped from the vehicle in the 300 block of Brooks Lane in Coppell and ran to the home of her brother-in-law where she began to bang on the front door and scream for help. Purcell chased after her, spraying her with mace and continuing to strike her with the wrench, according to reports.

At this time, Frank's brother-in-law heard the commotion and left his house, carrying a pistol. He saw Purcell beating Frank and dragging her around the side of the house.

The assailants ran, and fled in Ortiz's vehicle where they were stopped in the 100 block of S. Coppell Road for failure to stop at a stop sign.

According to the report, "Purcell was arrested for the traffic violation and later positively identified in a six-person lineup as the male suspected who kidnapped and assaulted her. Purcell was charged with aggravated kidnapping. Ortiz was also arrested for aggravated kidnapping."

If convicted, Ortiz and Purcell each could serve up to 99 years to life.



    
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(NC) District attorney's office rules shooting was self-defense

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(NC) District attorney's office rules shooting was self-defense
Date: Jul 10, 2005 7:52 PM
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By Clarke Morrison
STAFF WRITER
published: July 8, 2005 7:41 am
ASHEVILLE – Buncombe County prosecutors will not file charges against a 15-year-old Swannanoa boy who shot and killed another teen during a confrontation.

“All of the evidence points to self-defense,” Assistant District Attorney Kate Dreher said.

David Eugene Ray, 19, of 2214 U.S. 70 in Swannanoa, was shot in the chest June 19 after he broke into a home off Buckeye Access Road and assaulted the younger teenager along with an 18-year-old girl who was staying there.

North Carolina law allows the killing of another person if someone reasonably believes their life is in danger or they could be a victim of great bodily harm.

A person can claim self-defense even if it is later shown there was no such danger. The law applies regardless of the location of the threat.

Authorities said that earlier in the day that he was killed, Ray, a former boyfriend of the 18-year-old girl, had come to the house and was asked by the father of the 15-year-old to leave, which he did. After the father left the residence, Ray returned and broke into the house, leading to a fight between Ray and the boy.

The boy got a rifle and ordered Ray to leave, Buncombe County Sheriff's Capt. Pat Hefner said.

"At that point, (Ray) came at the 15-year-old again, and one shot was fired,'' Hefner said.

According to court records, Ray had been arrested a number of times in the past two years on charges including felony larceny, injury to personal property, probation violations, making harassing phone calls and misdemeanor assault.

The 15-year-old boy and the 18-year-old girl were hurt in the fight, but neither was hospitalized, he said.


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(IN) Merchant ends holdup, shoots robber

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(IN) Merchant ends holdup, shoots robber

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Officer Cinda Curtis takes photos inside the Smokehouse

Merchant ends holdup, shoots robber

The Journal Gazette


A discount tobacco store owner shot and critically wounded a would-be robber after he took money from the proprietor at gunpoint Friday night, Fort Wayne police said.

The gunman, whose name was withheld, approached the owner at his business, the Smokehouse Tobacco Outlet, 2217 S. Lafayette St., at 7:41 p.m., demanding money, Fort Wayne police spokeswoman Robin Thompson said.

The proprietor gave the man cash, then pulled a gun while the would-be robber was walking away from the counter. The proprietor fired several shots, hitting the intruder, Thompson said.

The would-be robber, who is in his 20s, was taken to a hospital in critical condition, Thompson said.

One customer was inside the store and another was outside, Thompson said, but neither was injured.

The owner of the store was taken to police headquarters on Creighton Avenue to be interviewed.

Prosecutors will decide whether he acted in self-defense or whether his actions warrant criminal charges. No charges had been filed as of late Friday.

Police did not immediately identify the proprietor, but witnesses said he goes by the name of “Mike.”

People surrounding the store on Lafayette between DeWald Street and Creighton Avenue sighed with relief and applauded when they heard the shooting victim was the would-be robber and not the owner.

Earline Jackson, who lives on DeWald, said she couldn’t help coming to see whether “Mike” was all right after gunshots echoed in the neighborhood. She saw two people inside and another outside the store but could not figure out what exactly had happened.

Lafayette Street was reduced to one lane around the business during the investigation, causing a brief traffic tie-up.

There have been other holdups in recent years in which would-be robbers were shot and killed.

A man who tried to rob a downtown liquor store in August 2003 was killed when he faced a counterattack by an employee. Cecil Eugene Wilson, 25, was shot to death during the robbery attempt at Cap n’ Cork, 1031 Broadway. The shooter, Matthew Novak, was cleared of any criminal charges.

In November 2002, an employee at a gas station shot and killed a would-be robber. Patrick E. Byrd Jr., 26, was shot multiple times after he entered Sunoco, 5133 Coldwater Road, pointed a gun at the employee and demanded money. The employee, John W. Washington III, pulled his own gun and fired several shots. He then followed Byrd out the door and fired more shots. Byrd, who did not fire his weapon, died at a hospital. Washington was not charged in the shooting.




    
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(NY) No charges for wife who shot and killed her husband

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(NY) No charges for wife who shot and killed her husband
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No charges for wife who shot and killed her husband
Updated: 7/9/2005 10:27 AM
By: Capital News 9 web staff



Hamilton County investigators said Joan O'Neill shot her husband in the back, killing him inside their home in the Town of Wells. Joan was charged with Second Degree murder. Now, the grand jury has reached a different conclusion.

"She will face no criminal charges and no prosecution for the events that took place on May 4," said Special Prosecutor Louise Sira.

At a press conference, Special Prosecutor Louise Sira painted a dark picture of how the events unfolded over the years.

"Mr. O'Neill has suffered from post traumatic stress disorder. He is a combat veteran of Vietnam," said Sira.

He is also decorated for saving another soldier's life. But Sira said the stress that ended his career as a Schenectady police officer also led to threats against his family, and were backed up by the nine illegally owned and loaded handguns he kept around the house.


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"Mr. O'Neill made it extremely clear to Mrs. O'Neill that if she called the police again, he would kill the police officer who came to the house," said Sira.

Officials said Robert chose their Pumpkin Hollow Road home based on its strategic location. It overlooks Route 30 and Pumpkin Hollow Road, and the high ground usually wins in a battle. That's one reason why officials said the threats were taken so seriously.

Mrs. O'Neill's attorney said a visit from the police would have led to tragedy.

Attorney William Martuscello said, "He was going to be ready for them. It was going to be a blood bath."

It came to a head May 4. Officials said Robert got into a fight with his son, and things quickly got out of hand.

"Mrs. O'Neill heard the bolt action of the rifle that had been broken in the previous altercation," said Sira.

And that's when Joan made the decision to end the fight, without risking the lives of police officers who would be targeted if called to the scene

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CO) Suspect shot in head by liquor store ownerz

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CO) Suspect shot in head by liquor store ownerz
Date: Jul 10, 2005 8:53 PM
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Suspect shot in head by liquor store owner
By Claire Martin
Denver Post Staff Writer


An armed-robbery suspect was in critical condition at North Colorado Medical Center after being shot in the head Friday afternoon by the Windsor liquor store owner he allegedly attempted to stick up.

According to the Weld County Sheriff's Department, the suspect, identified as 32-year-old Douglas Wies, entered the Corner Liquors store near 6th Street and Ash in Windsor about 5 p.m. Friday with a mask covering his face. He held what appeared to be a weapon wrapped in a scrap of cloth.

The suspect forced three people, including store owner Ron Trauernicht, his wife, Norma, and a customer into the narrow cooler that ran the length of the store, the sheriff's office said. All three escaped through the cooler's back exit.

Trauernicht hurried back into his store. He grabbed a gun he kept behind the counter and told an uncompliant Wies to drop his weapon, according to the sheriff's office.

After a short standoff, Trauernicht fired at the startled robber. The bullet went straight into the weapon Wies held - the mouth of an aluminium garden hose nozzle disguised by a T-shirt rag, the sheriff's office said.

The bullet pierced the lightweight nozzle and struck Wies in the forehead. Wies was airlifted to North Colorado Medical Center, where he remained in the critical care unit Saturday


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Terrorism and CCW

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Terrorism and CCW
Date: Jul 10, 2005 5:08 PM
http://m1911.blogspot.com/2005/07/concealed-carry-and-terrorist-threats.html
Saturday, July 09, 2005
Concealed Carry and Terrorist Threats

When one of these bad terrorist attacks happen, many people have an
interesting response: they sign up for pistol courses to get licensed for
concealed carry. The classes fill up quickly and gun shops do a land office
business. This was especially true after 9-11, but I'm hearing similar
reports following the London attack. I understand the impulse. I live in a
medium-sized city. I don’'t live in one of those huge front line cities that
face a high probability of an attack, yet I find myself feeling glad to have
the big .45 and some extra mags on me in these times when it seems like the
war is everywhere. Places where I can'’t take my gun, I just don'’t go.


Gun grabbers and opponents of shall issue concealed carry are fond of
pointing out that concealed handguns aren'’t a lot of help in stopping
suicide bombers. (OK, so what'’s your point?) Show me something that has
been successful with stopping the suicide bombers. However, experience has
shown that armed civilians can help stop terrorist actions. Israel police
spokesman Gil Kleiman said, "We've seen it time and time again. Armed
civilians who are well-trained save people's lives... If there isn't a
policeman on the scene, civilians can deal immediately with a terrorist
situation." In 2004, Abraham Rabinovich reported in The Washington Times,
“"Armed civilians have played a significant role in bringing down terrorists
during the Palestinian uprising, most recently during an attack this week by
a Palestinian gunman at a Tel Aviv restaurant where a wedding party was
under way. A 46-year-old civilian packing a pistol fatally shot the
terrorist at close range after three persons had been killed and he had been
wounded. When a radio reporter asked the man whether he was a member of the
security forces, he said he was a shoe salesman."” Imagine that, an ordinary
citizen who can use a pistol lawfully and competently to save lives.
(“"That'’s not supposed to happen. Only cops can have guns,"” wails the
Brady Campaign. "“Someone might get hurt,"” cries the Violence Policy
Center.)


An armed civilian probably wouldn't be able to stop a suicide bomber, unless
an unusual combination of circumstances came together. But with gun attacks
and kidnappings, an armed civilian on the scene could make a difference. The
Twin Towers might be standing today if a few armed civilians had been on
those planes. This begins to get at the true sense of what the founders
meant when they talked about an unorganized citizen militia. They weren't
talking about small bands of extremists out in the woods plotting the
overthrow of the government and they weren'’t talking about the National
Guard either. The founders were thinking about ordinary people who equipped
themselves and weren't on the government payroll who could respond to sudden
threats when the army and law enforcement weren't there or lacked the
strength to respond effectively. Every time a civilian arms himself or
herself, gets some training, and begins to think in terms of providing for
the security of their home, their own family and themselves, they're
responding to the idea of the “militia” that the founders had in mind. It's
a good idea and a rational idea, despite the distortions of the concept we
have seen in recent years. I think the need for civilians to take
responsibility for their own security will only increase in the years to
come. Our armed forces and law enforcement are stretched too thin to provide
real security for American citizens (and I'm not sure I would want them to
do be doing that even if they could).


Getting back to people signing up for pistol courses, I guess it's better
late than never, but the time to get prepared is now, not when TSHTF. It's a
good thing that people are waking up to the reality that they have to take
care of themselves. It's good that they are abandoning the unrealistic
expectation that the great nanny state will solve all of their problems. It
can't and it won't.


More important than the tactical considerations of what kind of threat a CCW
holder might be able to address, is the shift in psychology represented by
people being willing to arm themselves in response to terrorist threats.
It's a shift from victim to fighter. It says, "I'm not going to be
intimidated. I'm going to fight back."

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POLICE CHIEFS POLL REVEALS SOME SURPRISES

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POLICE CHIEFS POLL REVEALS SOME SURPRISES

POLICE CHIEFS POLL REVEALS SOME SURPRISES
93.6 percent of the respondents supported civilian gun-ownership rights.
When asked if citizens' concealed-weapons permits would reduce violent
crime, 63.1 percent said yes.

http://www.phxnews.com/fullstory.php?article=22621


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Letter: Most hunters are also avid conservationists

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Letter: Most hunters are also avid conservationists
Date: Jul 9, 2005 11:21 AM
PUBLICATION: The Windsor Star
DATE: 2005.07.09
EDITION: Final
SECTION: Editorial/Opinion
PAGE: A9
BYLINE: Tracey Kleim
SOURCE: Windsor Star

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Most hunters are also avid conservationists

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In response to the letter Hunting For Pleasure Subverts Natural Selection, June
28: I have to say that B. Rawles' view just reeks of shallow-mindedness. I am a
huntress and I try to take my animals as humanely as possible.

During the hunting season, I try and get as much table food as possible to save
money and to eat healthy meat.

I may not hunt to survive, but I certainly do not hunt to put a head up on my wall,
or for pleasure. Going out in the cold to get food for your table may sound pleasurable
to B. Rawles, but I have to say that it's pretty darn cold.

Lugging a 150-to-200-pound deer out of a valley and putting it on the back of a
truck when you're a woman is probably one of the hardest jobs one will ever do.

What B. Rawles doesn't seem to understand is that most hunters are conservationists.
I belong to the South Saskatchewan Wildlife Association which stocks ponds with
fish and the prairies with pheasants.

We donate our money and time to help the Burrowing Owl, which is almost extinct,
among numerous other things.

I am the secretary of this association. I spend my time trying to help nature.

You say that hunting is headed straight for extinction because it is not compatible
with modern, civilized values?

I am sick and tired of people trying to take away my heritage and culture because
they don't understand my way of life.

Tracey Kleim
Canadian Director
Women Against Gun Control
Moose Jaw, Sask.




    
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Letter: People enjoy hunting for a variety of reasons

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Letter: People enjoy hunting for a variety of reasons
Date: Jul 9, 2005 11:25 AM
PUBLICATION: The Windsor Star
DATE: 2005.07.09
EDITION: Final
SECTION: Editorial/Opinion
PAGE: A9
BYLINE: Michael R. Thomlinson
SOURCE: Windsor Star

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People enjoy hunting for a variety of reasons

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B. Rawles points out that very few hunters in Amherstburg need to hunt to survive.
This is most assuredly true. Most people I know hunt for a multitude of reasons,
such as the fresh air and exercise, the challenge of tracking, the connection with
our traditions and heritage, the taste of wild game and a genuine love for the wilderness
and all the creatures in it.

Hunters and anglers in your province have been a driving force for conservation
for decades, and have contributed to preserving wetlands and wilderness.

Besides, are we to use the doctrine of need to judge all actions of others?

B. Rawles does not need to drive a car or enjoy a latte at Starbucks, but of course
these activities likely fall within his narrow definition of what is compatible
with modern, civilized values.

Michael R. Thomlinson

Calgary, Alta.


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Liberals With Guns

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Liberals With Guns
It's about my freedom
by Cindy Hill in Middlebury, Vermont USA

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Article on "being at home with guns"

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Article on "being at home with guns"
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Thanks to EM Pete Clark for the link:

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From: washingtonpost.com

John Blaschke and his three stepdaughters live in one of the millions
of American households with both children and guns. The girls were
introduced to guns by their father, who is also a gun owner.

All along they have gotten this message: Before you touch a gun, you
should know what to do around it. Make sure it isn't loaded. Don't
ever point it at anyone.
...
These days, two of Mr. Blaschke's stepdaughters -- Meghan Nelson, 14,
and Darby Nelson, 10 -- are safe as well as skilled with guns. They
practice at the shooting range with Mr. Blaschke. Darby is thinking
of entering a competition. The third stepdaughter is not interested
in guns.

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Mother Fights Back Against Intruder (TX)

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Mother Fights Back Against Intruder (TX)
Date: Jul 3, 2005 8:42 PM
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Mother Fights Back Against Intruder
LAST UPDATE: 6/29/2005 6:38:01 PM
Posted By: Walker Robinson
This story is available on your cell phone at mobile.woai.com.

A Seguin mother home alone with her two young children was terrorized by a burglar for several hours until she fought back.

Jennifer Cooper told News 4 WOAI the break-in happened shortly after she had finished watching a Spurs game and turned off the lights to go to bed. She heard her house alarm.

“It wasn't my husband because there's no way he'd leave the Spurs game early,” Cooper said. She thought she heard an intruder.

“I got up as quickly as I could, locked my door and then someone was pounding, trying to get in,” Cooper said.

Cooper had her two young sons with her.

“I just told the boys, ‘I'm going to get the gun. Hopefully, he's going to leave or I'll have to shoot him,’” Cooper said.

Cooper and her children hid in a bedroom while the intruder roamed through her house for more than two hours. That was when she had enough.

“I was not able to talk him away, so I just shot the gun,” Cooper said. “I warned him.”

Cooper had never fired a gun before and was not ready for the recoil. The bullet went through the door and landed in the ceiling. The intruder finally left.

So far, no one has been arrested. Cooper said the intruder did not steal anything.

Guadalupe County investigators said the burglar may have been someone who was drunk or wandered into the wrong house.


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Grand jury no-bills woman in shooting (TX)

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Grand jury no-bills woman in shooting (TX)
Date: Jul 3, 2005 8:40 PM
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Grand jury no-bills woman in shooting

By ASHLEY COOK, The Lufkin Daily News

Thursday, June 30, 2005

An Angelina County grand jury on Tuesday declined to issue a criminal indictment to a Lufkin woman who shot and killed her common-law husband June 7.

A 6-year-old boy was in the house and witnessed at least part of the incident, District Attorney Clyde Herrington said Wednesday.

Police found Clarance Lee Richard, 51, dead on the floor from a gunshot wound to the neck in a hallway at a house at 115 Westmoreland St.

Rose Mary Barlow Whitaker, 50, was arrested and charged with murder after calling police to report she'd shot Richard as he broke down the bathroom door in an attempt to rape her.

The two had a rocky relationship, Herrington said. The DA's office had handled an earlier case between the two in which Richard had stolen her car, Herrington said.

Whitaker had been in a shelter in September 2004, afraid to go home alone for fear of her husband, Lufkin Police Lt. Greg Denman said earlier. Police worked several domestic violence calls between the two going back to 2002.

On June 8, Denman said Whitaker told officers she'd hidden a .38-caliber revolver in the lockable bathroom in case she needed to fend him off.

Herrington on Wednesday said she'd hidden the gun in the bathroom linen closet to keep it safe from her 6-year-old grandson, and not as part of a plan to protect herself. She'd had the gun a long time, Herrington said.

He couldn't discuss secret grand jury testimony, Herrington said, including whether jurors believed Whitaker shot in self-defense.

Texas law states a person has a right to kill in self-defense if they are threatened by deadly force, and if they try to get away. Whitaker's case met both requirements, Herrington said.

Herrington did say he thought Whitaker could have done more to get away from Richard, but that she just wasn't able to get him out of her house.

While toxicology reports on Richard had not yet been returned to his office, Herrington said, he was sure alcohol likely played a factor in the attempted rape.

"The door jam was split to the floor ... and the door was cracked in half," Herrington said, describing the scene.

There have been cases in Angelina County history where defendants were found not guilty of murder by reason of self-defense, Herrington said.

But with the danger of a child finding gun at home, or the threat of a burglar killing you with your own weapon, it is safer to keep something in the house like pepper spray to use in an emergency, he said. He cautioned citizens against being too quick to use a gun.

"People need to use it only as a last resort," Herrington said.


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Woman won't face charges in husband's death

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Woman won't face charges in husband's death

GAFFNEY, S.C. - A Gaffney woman who shot and killed her husband will not face charges, prosecutors said.

The Cherokee County prosecutor determined Wednesday that Regina Rector acted in self defense when she killed Dennis Rector, 30, with a single gunshot wound to his stomach from a .50-caliber rifle.

Dennis Rector was found shot to death at his home Friday night.

Regina Rector told investigators her husband armed himself, gave her a rifle and backed her into a closet. Regina Rector said she fired when her husband pointed his gun at her and moved like he was going to shoot.

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I LOVE this picture..........

by Nancy :)

.........and I want one of those tee shirts


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QUOTES TO REMEMBER

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A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government. — George Washington

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The Declaration of Independence:

by Nancy

The Declaration of Independence:
Date: Jul 3, 2005 1:02 PM
The Declaration of Independence:

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IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to
dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to
assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to
which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect
to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes
which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that
among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure
these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just
powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of
Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People
to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its
foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to
them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence,
indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed
for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn,
that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than
to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the
same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is
their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide
new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance
of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to
alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of
Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having
in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States.
To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the
public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing
importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be
obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts
of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation
in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants
only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable,
and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole
purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly
firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to
be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have
returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in
the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and
convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that
purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to
pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions
of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to
Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their
offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of
Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent
of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the
Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our
constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their
Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which
they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province,
establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries
so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the
same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and
altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with
power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and
waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and
destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to
compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with
circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous
ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to
bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends
and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to
bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages,
whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages,
sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the
most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by
repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which
may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have
warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an
unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the
circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to
their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties
of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably
interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the
voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the
necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the
rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in
General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for
the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the
good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these
United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States;
that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that
all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and
ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they
have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish
Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may
of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance
on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our
Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

The 56 signatures on the Declaration appear in the positions indicated:

Column 1
Georgia:
Button Gwinnett
Lyman Hall
George Walton

Column 2
North Carolina:
William Hooper
Joseph Hewes
John Penn
South Carolina:
Edward Rutledge
Thomas Heyward, Jr.
Thomas Lynch, Jr.
Arthur Middleton

Column 3
Massachusetts:
John Hancock
Maryland:
Samuel Chase
William Paca
Thomas Stone
Charles Carroll of Carrollton
Virginia:
George Wythe
Richard Henry Lee
Thomas Jefferson
Benjamin Harrison
Thomas Nelson, Jr.
Francis Lightfoot Lee
Carter Braxton

Column 4
Pennsylvania:
Robert Morris
Benjamin Rush
Benjamin Franklin
John Morton
George Clymer
James Smith
George Taylor
James Wilson
George Ross
Delaware:
Caesar Rodney
George Read
Thomas McKean

Column 5
New York:
William Floyd
Philip Livingston
Francis Lewis
Lewis Morris
New Jersey:
Richard Stockton
John Witherspoon
Francis Hopkinson
John Hart
Abraham Clark

Column 6
New Hampshire:
Josiah Bartlett
William Whipple
Massachusetts:
Samuel Adams
John Adams
Robert Treat Paine
Elbridge Gerry
Rhode Island:
Stephen Hopkins
William Ellery
Connecticut:
Roger Sherman
Samuel Huntington
William Williams
Oliver Wolcott
New Hampshire:
Matthew Thornton


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What July 4th is really all about...

by Nancy

What July 4th is really all about...
Date: Jul 3, 2005 10:22 AM
Click here: The Americans Who Risked Everything by Rush H. Limbaugh, Jr. - Cape Girardeau, Missouri

"The Americans
who
Risked Everything"
by Rush H. Limbaugh, Jr.


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"Our lives, our fortunes, our sacred honor"

It was a glorious morning. The sun was shining and the wind was from the southeast. Up especially early, a tall, bony, redheaded young Virginian found time to buy a new thermometer, for which he paid three pounds, fifteen shillings. He also bought gloves for Martha, his wife, who was ill at home.

Thomas Jefferson arrived early at the statehouse. The temperature was 72.5: and the horseflies weren't nearly so bad at that hour. It was a lovely room, very large, with gleaming white walls. The chairs were comfortable. Facing the single door were two brass fireplaces, but they would not be used today.

The moment the door was shut, and it was always kept locked, the room became an oven. The tall windows were shut, so that loud quarreling voices could not be heard by passersby. Small openings atop the windows allowed a slight stir of air, and also a large number of horseflies. Jefferson records that "the horseflies were dexterous in finding necks, and the silk of stocking was as nothing to them." All discussion was punctuated by the slap of hands on necks.

On the wall at the back, facing the President's desk, was a panoply--consisting of a drum, swords, and banners seized from Fort Ticonderoga the previous year. Ethan Allen and Benedict Arnold had captured the place, shouting that they were taking it "in the name if the Great Jehovah and the Continental Congress!"

Now Congress got to work, promptly taking up an emergency measure about which there was discussion but no dissension. "Resolved: That an application be made to the Committee of Safety of Pennsylvania for a supply of flints for the troops at New York."

Then Congress transformed itself into a committee of the whole, The Declaration of Independence was read aloud once more, and debate resumed. Though Jefferson was the best writer of all of them, he had been somewhat verbose. Congress hacked the excess away. They did a good job, as a side-by-side comparison of the rough draft and the final text shows. They cut the phrase "by a self-assumed power." "Climb" was replaced by "must read," then "must" was eliminated, then the whole sentence, and soon the whole paragraph was cut. Jefferson groaned as they continued what he later called "their depredations." "Inherent and inalienable rights" came out "certain unalienable rights," and to this day no one knows who suggested the elegant change.

A total of 86 alterations were made. Almost 500 words were eliminated, leaving 1,337. At last, after three days of wrangling, the document was put to a vote.

Here in this hall Patrick Henry had once thundered: "I am no longer a Virginian, Sir, but an American." But today the loud, sometimes bitter argument stilled, and without fanfare the vote was taken from north to south by colonies, as was the custom. On July 4, 1776, the Declaration of Independence was adopted.

There were no trumpets blown. No one stood on his chair and cheered. The afternoon was waning and Congress had no thought of delaying the full calendar of routine business on its hands. For several hours they worked on many other problems before adjourning for the day.



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Much to lose

What kind of men were the 56 signers who adopted the Declaration of Independence and who, by their signing, committed an act of treason against the Crown? To each of you the names Franklin, Adams, Hancock, and Jefferson are almost as familiar as household words. Most of us, however, know nothing of the other signers. Who were they? What happened to them?

I imagine that many of you are somewhat surprised at the names not there: George Washington, Alexander Hamilton, Patrick Henry. All were elsewhere.

Ben Franklin was the only really old man. Eighteen were under 40; three were in their 20s. Of the 56, almost half--24--were judges and lawyers. Eleven were merchants, 9 were land-owners and farmers, and the remaining 12 were doctors, ministers, and politicians.

With only a few exceptions, such as Samuel Adams of Massachusetts, these were men of substantial property. All but two had families. The vast majority were men of education and standing in their communities. They had economic security as few men had in the 18th century.

Each had more to lose from revolution than he had to gain by it. John Hancock, one of the richest men in America, already had a price of 500 pounds on his head. He signed in enormous letter so "that his Majesty could now read his name without glasses and could now double the reward." Ben Franklin wryly noted: "Indeed we must all hang together, otherwise we shall most assuredly hang separately." Fat Benjamin Harrison of Virginia told tiny Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts: "With me it will all be over in a minute, but you, you will be dancing on air an hour after I am gone."

These men knew what they risked. The penalty for treason was death by hanging. And remember: a great British fleet was already at anchor in New York Harbor.

They were sober men. There were no dreamy-eyed intellectuals or draft card burners here. They were far from hot-eyed fanatics, yammering for an explosion. They simply asked for the status quo. It was change they resisted. It was equality with the mother country they desired. It was taxation with representation they sought. They were all conservatives, yet they rebelled.

It was principle, not property, that had brought these men to Philadelphia. Two of them became presidents of the United States. Seven of them became state governors. One died in office as vice president of the United States. Several would go on to be U.S. Senators. One, the richest man in America, in 1828 founded the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad. One, a delegate from Philadelphia, was the only real poet, musician and philosopher of the signers (it was he, Francis Hopkinson--not Betsy Ross--who designed the United States flag).

Richard Henry Lee, a delegate from Virginia, had introduced the resolution to adopt the Declaration of Independence in June of 1776. He was prophetic is his concluding remarks:

"Why then sir, why do we longer delay? Why still deliberate? Let this happy day give birth to an American Republic. Let her arise not to devastate and to conquer but to reestablish the reign of peace and law. The eyes of Europe are fixed upon us. She demands of us a living example of freedom that may exhibit a contrast in the felicity of the citizen to the ever increasing tyranny which desolates her polluted shores. She invites us to prepare an asylum where the unhappy may find solace, and the persecuted repose. If we are not this day wanting in our duty, the names of the American legislators of 1776 will be placed by posterity at the side of all of those whose memory has been and ever will be dear to virtuous men and good citizens."

Though the resolution was formally adopted July 4, it was not until July 8 that two of the states authorized their delegates to sign, and it was not until August 2 that the signers met at Philadelphia to actually put their names to the Declaration.

William Ellery, delegate from Rhode Island, was curious to see the signers' faces as they committed this supreme act of personal courage. He saw some men sign quickly, "but in no face was he able to discern real fear." Stephen Hopkins, Ellery's colleague from Rhode Island, was a man past 60. As he signed with a shaking pen, he declared: "My hand trembles, but my heart does not."



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"Most glorious service"

Even before the list was published, the British marked down every member of Congress suspected of having put his name to treason. All of them became the objects of vicious manhunts. Some were taken. Some, like Jefferson, had narrow escapes. All who had property or families near British strongholds suffered.

Francis Lewis, New York delegate, saw his home plundered and his estates, in what is now Harlem, completely destroyed by British soldiers. Mrs. Lewis was captured and treated with great brutality. Though she was later exchanged for two British prisoners through the efforts of Congress, she died from the effects of her abuse.

William Floyd, another New York delegate, was able to escape with his wife and children across Long Island Sound to Connecticut, where they lived as refugees without income for seven years. When they came home, they found a devastated ruin.

Phillips Livingstone had all his great holdings in New York confiscated and his family driven out of their home. Livingstone died in 1778 still working in Congress for the cause.

Louis Morris, the fourth New York delegate, saw all his timber, crops, and livestock taken. For seven years he was barred from his home and family.

John Hart of Trenton, New Jersey, risked his life to return home to see his dying wife. Hessian soldiers rode after him, and he escaped in the woods. While his wife lay on her deathbed, the soldiers ruined his farm and wrecked his Homestead. Hart, 65, slept in caves and woods as he was hunted across the countryside. When at long last, emaciated by hardship, he was able to sneak home, he found his wife had already been buried, and his 13 children taken away. He never saw them again. He died a broken man in 1779, without ever finding his family.

Dr. John Witherspoon, signer, was president of the College of New Jersey, later called Princeton. The British occupied the town of Princeton, and billeted troops in the college. They trampled and burned the finest college library in the country.

Judge Richard Stockton, another New Jersey delegate signer, had rushed back to his estate in an effort to evacuate his wife and children. The family found refuge with friends, but a sympathizer betrayed them. Judge Stockton was pulled from bed in the night and brutally beaten by the arresting soldiers. Thrown into a common jail, he was deliberately starved. Congress finally arranged for Stockton's parole, but his health was ruined. The judge was released as an invalid, when he could no longer harm the British cause. He returned home to find his estate looted and did not live to see the triumph of the evolution. His family was forced to live off charity.

Robert Morris, merchant prince of Philadelphia, delegate and signer, met Washington's appeals and pleas for money year after year. He made and raised arms and provisions which made it possible for Washington to cross the Delaware at Trenton. In the process he lost 150 ships at sea, bleeding his own fortune and credit almost dry.

George Clymer, Pennsylvania signer, escaped with his family from their home, but their property was completely destroyed by the British in the Germantown and Brandywine campaigns.

Dr. Benjamin Rush, also from Pennsylvania, was forced to flee to Maryland. As a heroic surgeon with the army, Rush had several narrow escapes.

John Morton, a Tory in his views previous to the debate, lived in a strongly loyalist area of Pennsylvania. When he came out for independence, most of his neighbors and even some of his relatives ostracized him. He was a sensitive and troubled man, and many believed this action killed him. When he died in 1777, his last words to his tormentors were: "Tell them that they will live to see the hour when they shall acknowledge it [the signing] to have been the most glorious service that I rendered to my country."

William Ellery, Rhode Island delegate, saw his property and home burned to the ground.

Thomas Lynch, Jr., South Carolina delegate, had his health broken from privation and exposures while serving as a company commander in the military. His doctors ordered him to seek a cure in the West Indies and on the voyage He and his young bride were drowned at sea.

Edward Rutledge, Arthur Middleton, and Thomas Heyward, Jr., the other three South Carolina signers, were taken by the British in the siege of Charleston. They were carried as prisoners of war to St. Augustine, Florida, where they were singled out for indignities. They were exchanged at the end of the war, the British in the meantime having completely devastated their large land holdings and estates.

Thomas Nelson, signer of Virginia, was at the front in command of the Virginia military forces. With British General Charles Cornwallis in Yorktown, fire from 70 heavy American guns began to destroy Yorktown piece by piece. Lord Cornwallis and his staff moved their headquarters into Nelson's palatial home. While American cannonballs were making a shambles of the town, the house of Governor Nelson remained untouched. Nelson turned in rage to the American gunners and asked, "Why do you spare my home?" They replied, "Sir, out of respect to you." Nelson cried, "Give me the cannon!" and fired on his magnificent home himself, smashing it to bits. But Nelson's sacrifice was not quite over. He had raised $2 million for the Revolutionary cause by pledging his own estates. When the loans came due, a newer peacetime Congress refused to honor them, and Nelson's property was forfeited. He was never reimbursed. He died, impoverished, a few years later at the age of 50.



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Lives, fortunes, honor

Of those 56 who signed the Declaration of Independence, nine died of wounds or hardships during the war. Five were captured and imprisoned, in each case with brutal treatment. Several lost wives, sons or entire families. One lost his 13 children. Two wives were brutally treated. All were at one time or another the victims of manhunts and driven from their homes. Twelve signers had their homes completely burned. Seventeen lost everything they owned. Yet not one defected or went back on his pledged word. Their honor, and the nation they sacrificed so much to create, is still intact.

And, finally, there is the New Jersey signer, Abraham Clark.

He gave two sons to the officer corps in the Revolutionary Army. They were captured and sent to the infamous British prison hulk afloat in New York harbor known as the hell ship "Jersey," where 11,000 American captives were to die. The younger Clarks were treated with a special brutality because of their father. One was put in solitary and given no food. With the end almost in sight, with the war almost won, no one could have blamed Abraham Clark for acceding to the British request when they offered him his sons' lives if he would recant and come out for the King and parliament. The utter despair in this man's heart, the anguish in his very soul, must reach out to each one of us down through 200 years with his answer: "No."



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The 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence proved by their every deed that they made no idle boast when they composed the most magnificent curtain line in history. "And for the support of this Declaration with a firm reliance on the protection of divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor."

Rush H. Limbaugh, Jr.


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I can think of no way to celebrate this nation's legacy, than by publishing a speech written by my father. He delivered the oft-requested address locally a number of times, but he never saw it in print. My dad was renowned for his oratory and for his original mind; this speech is, I think, a superb demonstration of both. I will always be grateful to him for instilling in me a passion for the ideas and lives of America's Founders, as well as a deep appreciation for the inspirational power of words ... which you will see evidenced here:

Forward by Rush H. Limbaugh III



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Gun deaths in Canada continue to decline; [BUT NOT TOTAL DEATHS]

by Nancy

Gun deaths in Canada continue to decline; [BUT NOT TOTAL DEATHS]
Date: Jun 29, 2005 7:19 AM
PUBLICATION: The New Brunswick Telegraph Journal
DATE: 2005.06.29
SECTION: News
PAGE: C4
COLUMN: Canada
BYLINE: BRUCE CHEADLE Canadian Press
DATELINE: OTTAWA

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Gun deaths in Canada continue to decline; Statistics Canada report shows
death rates related to firearms lower over the past 25 years

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Gun-related deaths are trending steadily downward in Canada, says
Statistics Canada, even as high-profile shooting tragedies continue to
raise public hackles.

A report released Tuesday - as police in London, Ont., continued to
investigate Monday's horrific murder of a mother and two children -
shows that death rates related to firearms fell by more than half for
men and by three quarters among women over the last 25 years.

Gun-related homicides, suicides and accidents all declined in relation
to the population size between 1979 and 2002, said the Statistics Canada
study based on death certificates.

But the report explicitly declines to link falling firearms mortality
with tougher gun-control laws brought in during the same period.

"You've got to remember there have been gun-control laws for most of
this last century, of one sort or another," author Kathryn Wilkins said
in an interview.

The data she studied simply can't differentiate between any number of
cause-and-effect possibilities, whether they be fewer sports hunters,
urbanization, an aging populace or tougher gun registration and storage
rules.

Ms. Wilkins noted that the 1989 Montreal massacre, in which 14 young
women were gunned down, coincided with a sharp, steady decline in gun
deaths in Canada.

"Who's to say that tragedies like that don't have some influence, as
well?" said the researcher - perhaps by raising public awareness of
firearms storage issues, for example.

Already this year, two high-profile shootings have reignited the debate
over Canada's gun- control system.

A gunman in Mayerthorpe, Alta., killed four RCMP officers in March
before taking his own life with a high-powered assault rifle. And early
Monday morning in London, a man is believed to have killed a woman, two
of her three children and wounded two officers before dying himself,
possibly from return police fire.

Earlier this month, Toronto police chief Bill Blair decried a
"proliferation of illegal handguns in the hands of gangsters" on the
city's streets.

There is evidence that the nature of gun violence is changing in Canada,
noted Ms. Wilkins. Recent StatsCan studies suggest two thirds of gun
deaths now result from handguns, up from about half during the 1990s.

But if Toronto has a particular problem, Ms. Wilkins' research didn't
show it. From 2000 to 2002 in Canada's four largest cities - Calgary,
Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver - Montreal was the only one with
significantly higher gun deaths: 2.2 per 100,000 people compared with
Toronto's 1.3.

The trend nationally belies public concern about gun violence.

Some 767 males and 49 females died from gun injuries in 2002, said
Statistics Canada.

Among males, that was a rate of 4.9 deaths for every 100,000 population,
down from 10.6 in 1979. For females the rate fell to 0.3 from 1.2 deaths
for every 100,000 Canadians.

"Overall, the stats are very, very favourable and there's no question
the (incidence) reporting is better than ever in the past," said Emile
Therien of the Canada Safety Council.

The figures are even more dramatic when compared with those in the
United States. An American man in 2000 was more than three times as
likely to die from a gunshot as his Canadian counterpart. American women
died seven times more often than Canadian women from gunshot wounds.

Suicides involving firearms fell from five deaths per 100,000 to two in
the period from the mid-1980s to 2002, added StatsCan.

And while other means of suicide became more common, the overall suicide
rate also declined from 14 deaths per 100,000 to 12 during the same
period - suggesting a correlation.

Ms. Wilkins said the best news in her report may be the falling
incidence of young people killed in gun accidents.

In 1979, the rate of deaths related to firearms was highest among young
people aged 15 to 24. Those age differences have largely disappeared.

In 2002, just six people under age 25 died in gun accidents.

"That's a very good news story. It probably does reflect safety and
storage (improvements)," said Ms. Wilkins.

Therien doesn't hesitate to attribute the change to tighter gun
legislation, specifically the contentious, over-budget long gun registry
of 1995 that critics love to hate.

"Forget the vocal minority that's against it," said the longtime
president of the Canada Safety Council.

"Public health officials, safety people and the police community . . .
they were all in favour of this legislation. It goes on and on. What
else do you want? It's not perfect, but it's good."


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Editorial: Gun-death decline not linked to registry:

by Nancy

Editorial: Gun-death decline not linked to registry:
Date: Jul 2, 2005 11:09 AM
PUBLICATION: Calgary Herald
DATE: 2005.07.02
EDITION: Final
SECTION: The Editorial Page
PAGE: A22
SOURCE: Calgary Herald

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Gun-death decline not linked to registry: Drop in deaths also occurring in U.S.,
with loosened gun control

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A recent report from Statistics Canada suggesting a falling death rate attributable
to firearms carries an important caveat: "It is difficult to measure the contribution
that gun control regulations may have made to this decrease."

Indeed, it is exceedingly difficult.

For one thing, when 80 per cent of gun deaths are suicide, the matter of registration
is irrelevant. The 636 Canadians who shot themselves in 2002 were driven by a state
of mind for which firearms legislation is no cure. (Of the remaining firearms deaths,
31 were by accident and 149 were homicide.)

Worse for those who might try to claim a small propaganda victory for the much-maligned
registry, countries that have no comparable regulations also show markedly reduced
death rates. Meanwhile, counterintuitive though it seems, others having more stringent
gun-control than Canada report increased gun-related homicides.

Unfortunately, despite being otherwise a reliable description of a welcome social
development, the report by StatsCan researcher Kathryn Wilkins still contains some
disingenuous hints that the registry actually may have helped, thus belying her
caution.

For instance, among Wilkins's hints is a graph showing a general downward trend
in Canadian gun-related deaths from 10.6 per 100,000 in 1979, to 4.9 per 100,000
in 2002. However, its sole annotations indicate the passage of safe-storage legislation
in 1991, and the establishment of the registry itself in 1995.

But, in neither case does the graph show a sharp interruption to the steady downward
trend. For all the acceleration either law seems to have prompted, she might equally
well have noted the first Gulf war or the second Quebec referendum.

Similarly, Wilkins writes that the "risk of death from a firearms-related injury
in Canada is a fraction of that in the United States. In 2000, American males had
more than three times the risk of dying from injuries related to firearms when compared
with their Canadian counterparts. The excess was even greater for U.S. females --
seven times as high."

All true, but if it is worth mentioning Canadian legislation at all in a consideration
of Canadian statistics, then the U.S. legislative environment must also be referenced
when looking at U.S. statistics.

Interestingly, the U.S. also shows declining gun-related deaths over the last 25
years, from 14.84 per 100,000 in 1980, to 10.50 per 100,000 in 2002 -- but against
a background of loosened firearms laws, rather than tightened. For instance, the
right to carry concealed weapons has been expanded in that time by half, to 37 states
of the union.

Perhaps demographics lie behind the decline in the rate of gun-related fatalities
in the U.S., or maybe emergency-room techniques have sufficiently improved in that
time to save lives in large numbers that once were lost. The only certainty is that
it wasn't a federal gun-registry.

Nor did it help Great Britain to skip right past registration, into a virtual ban
on legal ownership of firearms. There, handgun homicides rose five-fold between
1980 (eight) and 1999 (42.)

Naturally, a reduction in firearms deaths is an encouraging trend. However, any
effort to correlate that with restrictive legislation simply doesn't accord with
the facts. StatsCan concedes this on the one hand, yet subtly offers the reverse
message by pointing us to comparative international averages, not to the equally
important trends. It was an important, and perhaps telling, omission.

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BUT DID OUR GUN LAWS ACTUALLY SAVE ANY LIVES?
By Garry Breitkreuz, MP, Conservative Firearms Critic - June 30, 2005
http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publicate/Columns/2005_june30.htm

NOS LOIS SUR LES ARMES À FEU ONT-ELLES VRAIMENT SAUVÉ DES VIES?
Par Garry Breitkreuz, député, porte-parole conservateur en matière d'armes à feu,
30 juin 2005
http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publicate/Columns/2005_june30_fr.htm


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Letter: A call to the firearms registry should have helped police

by Nancy

Letter: A call to the firearms registry should have helped police
Date: Jul 2, 2005 11:18 AM
PUBLICATION: Vancouver Sun
DATE: 2005.07.02
EDITION: Final
SECTION: Editorial
PAGE: C6
BYLINE: Michael Shannon
SOURCE: Vancouver Sun

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A call to the firearms registry should have helped police

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If the RCMP Intergrated National Security Enforcement Team knew the first nations
men were buying weapons and were worried about public safety, why did they let them
buy the guns in the first place and then make a dramatic bust on a major Vancouver
street?

Wouldn't a phone call to the gun store have confirmed whether the buyer had a firearms
licence? Guns can't leave the store until they're registered. Wouldn't a call to
the firearms registry centre have answered this question as well?

If the computerized gun registry allows the police to instantly check on the legality
of the guns, why was it necessary for the police to seize weapons to "see if
they're legal?"

Michael Shannon

Edmonton, Alta.


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Letter: GUN REGISTRY TARGET

by Nancy

Letter: GUN REGISTRY TARGET
Date: Jun 30, 2005 8:13 AM
PUBLICATION: The London Free Press
DATE: 2005.06.30
EDITION: Final
SECTION: Opinion Pages
PAGE: A10
BYLINE: MICHAEL BARNHART, LONDON
COLUMN: Letters to the Editor

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GUN REGISTRY TARGET

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I'm so happy that Jean Chretien's and Paul Martin's "gun registry" has
eliminated firearms violence in Canada.

And it only cost . . . how much?


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One Man Dead, Another Arrested After Attempted Robbery (NC)

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One Man Dead, Another Arrested After Attempted Robbery (NC)

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JUNE 23, 2005 --Police say Brian Dalton Rivenbark is dead after trying to hold up Jerry's Furniture Refinishing on Cinema Drive. Now his accomplice, Dewayne White, is arrested and charged with attempted armed robbery.

Police say Rivenbark and White walked into the store and pulled out a hand gun. The store clerk, Joseph Daggs, III had his own gun. Lt. Marshall Williamson says the men got in a struggle, but Daggs broke free.

"Daggs released himself from the individuals and reached for his personal gun and fired one shot."

That shot killed Rivenbark, but police say it was self-defense.

What's behind the dark windows at Jerry's Furniture Refinishing has nothing to do with refinishing. Their business is video poker. Other employees at the strip mall on Cinema Drive had no idea this was going on.

"I had no idea there was even a business back there," says Wendy Spaziani.

Williamson says Jerry's was playing by the rules. We tried to contact the owner of Jerry's Furniture, but no one answered. For now Jerry's remains open, as well as the case.



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Police: Homeowner shoots, kills intruder (TN)

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Police: Homeowner shoots, kills intruder (TN)

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Police: Homeowner shoots, kills intruder


An attempted home invasion Friday evening ended when a homeowner fatally shot one of the intruders, police said.

Bobby Pottinger, 38, of Nashville was shot and killed when he and three other people tried to rob a home at 504 Macfie Court in Madison at about 11:40 p.m., police said.

Metro Capt. Mike Hagar said it appears the homeowner shot Pottinger in self-defense, but detectives still are investigating the incident.

"The homeowner met them at the door and refused admission," Hagar said.

"When they attempted to force their way in the house, the homeowner fired his pistol." •




Posted on Jul 2, 2005, 11:35 AM

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Armed and ready-10 years with the Oklahoma Self Defense Act has seen violent crime rates f

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Armed and ready-10 years with the Oklahoma Self Defense Act has seen violent crime rates fall

By Chris Pryor
Phoenix Staff Writer


In the 10 years Oklahoma citizens have been allowed to carry
weapons concealed, crime has fallen, gun owners and
advocates say.

Muskogee residents who carry concealed weapons, and who live
in an area with a higher than average crime rate, say that
at the moment of a crime, only two people are at the scene -
the criminal and the victim - and victims should have the
right to defend themselves.

"If you have an extreme problem, you can solve it yourself,"
said J.B. Satterfield, who is a member of the Muskogee Gun
Club and possesses a concealed carry license.

The state Legislature passed the Oklahoma Self Defense Act
in 1994, which became effective in January 1995, and
concealed carry license holders agree that the law has been
effective at suppressing crimes against individuals in
Oklahoma. Other states are beginning to adopt concealed
carry laws of their own to help combat violent crime.

According to data from the Oklahoma State Bureau of
Investigation, 17,637 concealed carry licenses were approved
in 2004, 319 of which were granted to residents of Muskogee
County.

Accounting for population differences, the number of new
licenses in the county is average compared to other, larger
counties.

Charles Smith, executive director of the Oklahoma Rifle
Association, said about half a million Oklahomans - or about
one-seventh of the state population - hold licenses to carry
concealed weapons.

The OSBI's most recent data shows that violent crime in
Oklahoma has fallen by 18 percent since the act was passed,
from 21,748 reported in 1995 to 17,776 reported in 2003.

Smith and Ashley Varner, a spokeswoman for the National
Rifle Association, said crime against individuals has fallen
in the 10 years that the concealed carry law has been in
effect.

Varner said in states where the NRA has pushed concealed
carry statutes, violent crime fell in every instance.

"The states as a whole have seen crimes against persons -
robbery, rape, burglary, assault - have decreased because
criminals no longer know who has a firearm on them and who
doesn't," Varner said.

Violent crime had been on the rise eight years when
lawmakers decided to act in 1994 to write the concealed
carry statute, according to Smith and OSBI data.

Law enforcement officials, though hesitant to attribute the
decline in violent crime to the concealed carry law, support
the concealed carry statute.

"I'm for it," said Warner Police Chief Terry Thompson. "I
have no problem with good, decent law-abiding citizens
having the right to carry a weapon."

Andy Blizzard, assistant chief of police in Checotah, said
many criminals may be thinking twice about striking because
they can't tell who's armed and who's not, but he wasn't
ready to say whether the concealed carry law has had a
direct impact on violent crime.

Yet Blizzard said Washington, D.C., which has one of the
top-staffed police forces in the country and the strictest
laws against gun ownership, also has one of the highest
rates of violent crime.

Thirty-eight states have concealed carry laws of some sort.
Missouri, which implemented a concealed carry law in
January, joins other states like Florida that are now
strengthening statutes that permit citizens to carry
weapons.

Originally published June 24, 2005
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By the numbers

# Average age of those given concealed carry licenses in
Muskogee County: 55.

# Percent of new license holders in Oklahoma who are black:
1.9 percent.

# Percent of new license holders in Oklahoma who are white:
94.2 percent.

How to apply

Request an application packet from the Oklahoma State Bureau
of Investigation at (800) 207-6724 or e-mail
sda@osbi.state.ok.us.

Firearm defense tips

# Keep your head: A close encounter with an intruder can
kick the adrenaline pumps into high gear. Remember to
always think safety; oftentimes, simply escaping the
intruder is enough to stay safe. Defense experts say more
distance between the victim and intruder usually increases
the victim's chances of escaping an encounter unscathed.

# Think self-defense: If you encounter a crime in progress,
it's always best to call law enforcement first before - if
ever - becoming involved yourself. Your interference,
though well-intentioned, could escalate the situation.

File downloads: # The Self-Defense Act (Adobe Acrobat
Reader required)

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SUPREME COURT REAFFIRMS POLICE HAVE NO DUTY TO PROTECT YOU

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From: Don Kates [DBKATES@peoplepc.com]
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 12:25 PM
To: KATES, Don
Subject: SUPREME COURT REAFFIRMS POLICE HAVE NO DUTY TO PROTECT YOU


If you have read my previous posts and law review articles you know that police have no duty to protect individuals. The police exist to do two things only: (a) patrol to deter crime; (b) after crime occurs to investigate and apprehend the perpetrators.

In other words, if you want to protect yourself and your family you must do it yourself -- which is to say you must get a gun. The police owe you no duty in that respect.

Here is a brand new SCOTUS case reaffirming that police may not be sued for failure to protect individuals. In addition I herewith supply some other caselaw and my old discussion of the issues (sans footnotes because I don't know how to put them in an email.



http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/bw-scotus/2005/jun/27/062708395.html>;


Today: June 27, 2005 at 8:13:34 PDT

Cops Can't Be Sued for Restraining Orders
By GINA HOLLAND
ASSOCIATED PRESS

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Supreme Court ruled Monday that police cannot be sued for how they enforce restraining

orders, ending a lawsuit by a Colorado woman who claimed police did not do enough to prevent her estranged

husband from killing her three young daughters.

Jessica Gonzales did not have a constitutional right to police enforcement of the court order against her

husband, the court said in a 7-2 opinion.

City governments had feared that if the court ruled the other way, it would unleash a potentially devastating

flood of cases that could bankrupt municipal governments.

Gonzales contended that police did not do enough to stop her estranged husband, who took the three daughters

from the front yard of her home in June 1999 in violation of a restraining order.

Hours later Simon Gonzales died in a gun fight with officers outside a police station. The bodies of the three

girls, ages 10, 9 and 7, were in his truck.

Gonzales argued that she was entitled to sue based on her rights under the 14th Amendment and under Colorado

law that says officers shall use every reasonable means to enforce a restraining order. She contended that her

restraining order should be considered property under the 14th Amendment and that it was taken from her without

due process when police failed to enforce it.

"The restraining orders are not worth anything unless police officers are willing to enforce them. They are

just paper," said Brian Reichel, the attorney for Gonzales. "If nothing else this case has shined the spotlight

on a very important issue."

Castle Rock, Co., police contend they tried to help Gonzales. Police twice went to the estranged husband's

apartment, kept an eye out for his truck and called his cellular phone and home phone.

Gonzales reached him on his cell phone, and he told her that he had taken the girls to an amusement park in

nearby Denver. Gonzales contends that police should have gone to the amusement park or contacted Denver police.

The case is Castle Rock, Colo., v. Gonzales, 04-278

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On the Net:

Supreme Court: http://www.supremecourtus.gov








FROM A 15 YEAR OLD ARTICLE OF MINE

Police protection vs. the capacity to defend oneself--

Perhaps the single most common argument against freedom of choice is that personal self defense has been rendered obsolete by the existence of a professional police force.1

For decades anti-gun officials in Washington, D.C., Chicago, San Francisco and New York have admonished the citizenry that they don't need guns for self-defense because the police will defend them. This advice is mendacious: when those cities are sued for failure to provide police protection, those same officials send forth their city attorneys to invoke

[the] fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen.2

Even as a matter of theory (much less in fact), the police do NOT exist to protect the individual citizen. Rather their function is to deter crime in general by patrol activities, and by apprehension after the crime has occurred. If circumstances permit, the police should and will protect a citizen in distress. But they are not legally duty bound even to do that, nor to provide any direct protection -- no matter how urgent a distress call they may receive. A fortiori the police have no duty to, and do not, protect citizens who are under death threat, e.g. women threatened by former boyfriends or husbands.

An illustrative case is Warren v District of Columbia in which three rape victims sued the city under the following facts: Two of the victims were upstairs when they heard the other being attacked by men who had broken in downstairs. Half an hour having passed and their roommate's screams having ceased, they assumed the police must have arrived in response to their repeated phone calls. In fact, their calls had somehow been lost in the shuffle while the roommate was being beaten into silent acquiesence. When her roommates went downstairs to see to her, as the court's opinion graphically describes it, "For the next fourteen hours the women were held captive, raped, robbed, beaten, forced to commit sexual acts upon each other, and made to submit to the sexual demands" of their attackers.

Having set out these facts, the District of Columbia's highest court exonerated the District and its police, because (to reiterate) it is

a fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen.3

In addition to the caselaw I have cited, this principle has been expressly enunciated over and over again in statute law.4

The fundamental principle that the police have no duty to protect individuals derives equally from practical necessity and from legal history. Historically there were no police, even in large American or English cities, before almost the mid-19th Century. Citizens were not only expected to protect themselves (and each other), but legally required in response to the hue and cry to chase down and apprehend criminals. The very idea of a police was anathema, American and English liberalism viewing any such force as a form of the dreaded "standing army."5 This view yielded only grudgingly to the fact that citizens were unwilling to spend their leisure hours patrolling miles of city streets and incapable even of chasing fleeing criminals down on crowded city streets -- much less tracing and apprehending them or detecting surreptitious crimes.

Eventually police forces were established to augment citizen self-protection by systematic patrol to deter crime and to detect and apprehend criminals if a crime occurs. Historically there was no thought of the police displacing the citizen's right of self-protection. Nor, as a practical matter, is that remotely feasible in light of the demands a high crime society makes on the limited resources available to police it. Even if all 500,000 American police officers were assigned to patrol they could not protect 240 million citizens from upwards of 10 million criminals who enjoy the luxury of deciding when and where to strike. But there are nothing like 500,000 patrol officers: to determine how many police are actually available on any one shift the 550,000 figure must be divided by four (three shifts per day, plus officers on days-off, sick leave etc.). After this calculation, the resulting number must be cut in half to take account of the officers assigned to investigations, juvenile, records, laboratory, traffic etc., rather than patrol.6

Doubtless the deterrent effect of the police helps assure that many Americans will never be so unfortunate as to live in circumstances requiring personal protection. But for those who do need such protection the fact is that police do not and cannot function as bodyguards for ordinary people (though in New York and other major cities police may perform bodyguard services for the mayor and other prominent officials). Consider the matter just in terms of the number of New York City women who each year seek police help, reporting threats by ex-husbands, ex-boyfriends etc.: to bodyguard just those women would exhaust the resources of the nation's largest police department, leaving no officers available for street patrol, traffic control, crime detection and apprehension of perpetrators, responding to emergency calls etc., etc.7

Given what New York courts have called "the crushing nature of the burden"8, the police cannot be expected to protect the individual citizen. Individuals remain responsible for their own personal safety, with police providing only an auxiliary general deterrent. The issue is whether those individuals should be free to choose gun ownership as a means of protecting themselves, their homes and families.

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FROM ONE OF MY RECENT EMAILS

Once again, the law is that police have no duty to protect the public and are not liable for failure to do so, no matter how egregious. My commentary on this horrifying case will follow after the material I am setting out immediately below which is the fact statement from the opinion of the federal court of appeals in Shipp v. MacMahon [you can read the entire opinion which is accessible at http://laws.lp.findlaw.com/getcase/5th/case/9831317cv0&exact=1]

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The appellee, Cherie Shipp (Shipp) was involved in an abusive marriage with her husband, Dalton Shipp ("Dalton") in Shreveport, Louisiana. To escape her husband's abuse, Shipp moved into her sister's house near Minden, Louisiana. When Dalton learned of her whereabouts, he made several threatening phone calls to her, which she reported to deputies of the Webster Parish Sheriff's Office (WPSO). Dalton also on several occasions drove by Shipp's sisters house, which Shipp reported to defendant Steve Cropper ("Cropper"), a Webster Parish deputy. Cropper advised that he would do nothing about Dalton.
Shipp then moved to her cousin's residence in Dubberly, which is also in Webster Parish.
Dalton went to the house in Dubberly, attacked Shipp by beating her with a telephone that he ripped from the wall, and hit her with his fist. He threatened that if she reported the incident to law enforcement, she would "find herself in the hospital." After physically abusing her, Dalton took some items belonging to Shipp and her cousin, placed the items in his automobile, and drove off. Despite Dalton's warning, Shipp called the WPSO. Deputy Cropper came to the scene and took a report, but made no immediate effort to arrest Dalton.
Several days later, Deputy Cropper approached Dalton about returning the items he took from Shipp's cousin's residence, but did not arrest him. Dalton was later allowed to turn himself in, and he was charged with simple criminal damage to property and simple battery, both misdemeanor offenses. As a condition of bail, the court ordered that Dalton stay away from Shipp. Later that day, he pleaded guilty to both offenses, and the court ordered him to seek immediate counseling. The court set sentencing for a later date.
Shipp obtained a temporary restraining order ("TRO") which prohibited Dalton from having any contact with her. After Deputy Cropper served Dalton with the TRO, Dalton made several abusive and threatening phone calls to Shipp, which Shipp reported to the WPSO. She was told that nothing could be done about the phone calls, and despite his violations of the TRO and the bail order, the WPSO did not arrest Dalton.
Dalton failed to appear in court for sentencing on the criminal charges, and a bench warrant for his arrest was issued. Although Dalton subsequently appeared in court to answer other criminal charges at the Webster Parish courthouse, deputies nonetheless failed to arrest Dalton for violating the TRO and conditions of bail.
Approximately four months after Dalton failed to appear at the scheduled sentencing hearing, he tracked down Shipp at her other sister's house and talked Shipp out of the house and into his car. Once in the car, Dalton sped away with Shipp's feet dragging the ground. She attempted to jump out of the car, but Dalton grabbed her by the head. Dalton drove Shipp to a house he had leased in Webster Parish.
Shipp's sister telephoned her mother, Carolyn Gates, who reported the incident to the WPSO. Defendant Betty Shipp(2) was the dispatcher who received the phone call. Apparently, Betty Shipp hung up the telephone without conducting an inquiry into the particulars of the incident. Betty Shipp advised Deputy Cropper of the phone call. He chose to take no action, despite his knowledge of Dalton's propensity for violent behavior. Neither Cropper nor Betty Shipp dispatched information to alert the other deputies.
After having her phone call terminated by the WPSO, Shipp's mother called the Minden Police Department, which dispatched an emergency alert and radioed the WPSO. Shipp's mother then picked up Jerry Gates, Shipp's father, and drove to the Webster Parish courthouse. They observed Deputy Cropper standing idly outside the courthouse. Cropper advised Mr. Gates that he intended to do nothing to apprehend Dalton. After they discussed where Dalton may be located with Shipp, Mr. Gates denounced Cropper's unwillingness to act, and told him that he was heading to the leased house. Deputy Cropper and another deputy pursued Mr. Gates.
Subsequently, Mr. Gates and four deputies arrived at the house. When the deputies made no effort to enter the house, Mr. Gates attempted to approach the house, but was restrained by the deputies. Cropper then knocked on the door, explaining that he had to ascertain whether Shipp was in the house voluntarily with Dalton. No one inside answered Cropper's knock.
Mr. Gates observed what he believed to be a silhouette on the curtain of Dalton with a gun. Mr. Gates again attempted to approach the house, but the deputies ordered him back. A shot rang out from the house and the deputies immediately retreated to their vehicles to put on armored vests. Another shot ranged out as the deputies remained crouched behind their cars.Inside the house, Dalton had raped Shipp. After shooting her in the chest with a 12-gauge shotgun, he shot himself. Shipp staggered to the door and unsuccessfully attempted to open it. She screamed for help, but none of the deputies responded. Shipp eventually staggered out a side door holding her entrails in her hands.
As she exited the house, Shipp's mother and a deputy raced to her aid. Mr. Gates also dashed towards Shipp, but he was abruptly intercepted by Cropper. At Cropper's order, another deputy handcuffed Mr. Gates and removed him from the scene.
Shipp was transported to the hospital, where emergency surgery was performed on her. She was hospitalized for several weeks, followed by rehabilitation, therapy, and follow-up surgery. Dalton recovered from his wounds and was subsequently charged with aggravated rape, aggravated kidnapping, and attempted second degree murder. As of the date of this opinion, he is currently being detained in Webster Parish jail pending trial, but has been permitted on several occasions to leave the jail and roam relatively unfettered throughout Webster Parish. Since the incident, the WPSO has not imposed any discipline on any deputy.
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It will come as no surprise to many of you -- but you will be wrong! -- that the federal court of appeals held that the lower court was correct in not dismissing the lawsuit here. The fact is that the appeals court recognized that the sheriffs were right "that there is no constitutional violation when the most that can be said is that the police stood by and did nothing, see McKee 877 F.2d at 412,"
In short, civilians have absolutely no right to police protection! The case was upheld only because the plaintiffs' artful lawyer wrote into the complaint a peculiar, and almost certainly false, claim which plaintiffs will not be able to prove at trial so they will lose. The lawyer claimed not that Mrs. Shipp had a right to police protection per se, but that she was deprived of her 14th Amendment constitutional right to equal treatment, i.e., that this police agency discriminated against her and all other women by refusing to give them proterction against violent husbands. To defeat this claim all the police agency will have to do is show what is doubtless true -- that in at least some instances it has protected women. It just did not protect Mrs. Shipp probably because her husband and his relatives are friendly w/ the sheriff and the department.

The police exist to patrol the streets and to apprehend criminals after the crime is committed. They do not exist to protect individuals. The law is, and remains, that if you want to be protected you must protect yourself.

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[from Bob Dowlut]There is a practical reason for the right to keep and bear arms. Courts have held that neither the state nor the police owe a duty to protect the individual. DeShaney v. Winnebago County Dept. of Social Services, 489 U.S. 189 (1989); Hernandez v. City of Goshen, U.S.C.A. 7th Cir. Mar. 31, 2003; Zelig v. County of Los Angeles, 27 Cal.4th 1112, 119 Cal.Rptr.2d 709, 45 P.3d 1171 (2002); Ashburn v. Anne Arundel County, 306 Md. 617, 510 A.2d 1078 (1986); Everton v. Willard, 468 So.2d 936 (Fla. 1985); Fox v. Custis, 712 F.2d 84 (4th Cir. 1983); Weiner v. Metro Transportation Authority, 55 N.Y.2d 175, 448 N.Y.S.2d 141 (1982); Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. 1981). One federal court even boldly proclaimed that "there is no constitutional right to be protected by the state against being murdered by criminals or madmen." Bowers v. DeVito, 686 F.2d 616, 618 (7th Cir. 1982).

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CRIMINAL control !

by Nancy

lock them up and KEEP them there !


3-time armed robber serving sentences concurrently
Date: Jun 24, 2005 7:38 AM
PUBLICATION: Vancouver Sun
DATE: 2005.06.24
EDITION: Final
SECTION: WestCoast News
PAGE: B3
COLUMN: Law and Order
SOURCE: Chilliwack Times
DATELINE: CHILLIWACK

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Quebec man gets six years in prison

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CHILLIWACK - A Quebec man recently charged in connection with a robbery
at the Pharmasave in Vedder will be serving six years in prison.

Stephane Avon, 39, pleaded guilty in court this week and was sentenced
to six years in prison and a lifetime firearm ban, and will have to
provide a DNA sample. He will serve the sentence concurrently with a
two-year sentence he received for two robberies in the Kelowna area.
Avon held up the Pharmasave on April 28.


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RECENTLY paroled thug accused of pistol-whipping a police officer's wife

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RECENTLY paroled thug accused of pistol-whipping a police officer's wife


Date: Jun 24, 2005 7:39 AM
PUBLICATION: The Toronto Sun
DATE: 2005.06.24
EDITION: Final
SECTION: News
PAGE: 28
BYLINE: IAN ROBERTSON, TORONTO SUN

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BANDIT BATTERS VICTIM 60 STITCHES REQUIRED

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A RECENTLY paroled thug accused of pistol-whipping a police officer's
wife was cornered in a basement after a chase through Riverdale streets
and backyards yesterday.

Officers swarmed into the area near Broadview and Danforth Aves. after
the woman was attacked at a bank machine at 9:50 a.m. They nabbed a
suspect cowering in a Wolfrey Ave. house basement. A loaded
semi-automatic 9-mm pistol was later found at the scene.

"I want to thank all the citizens ... who assisted us," Det. Steve
Tedford said.

'UNCONSCIOUS FOR A FEW SECONDS'

Tedford said 41-year-old woman was at a CIBC cash machine near Broadview
subway station when a man shoved a gun in her side and demanded cash.

But before she could reply, the thug bashed her repeatedly on the head
with his pistol.

"Her chin struck the edge of the sidewalk as she fell," Tedford said.
"She was unconscious for a few seconds."

The woman needed more than 60 stitches to close the wounds on her head
and face.

He said her husband, a Toronto Police staff-sergeant, was helping care
for her.

O'Neil Morgan, 29, who was living at the Keele Centre halfway house, is
charged with two counts of pointing a firearm, one count of robbery with
a firearm, assault causing bodily harm, assault with a weapon, and two
counts of being unlawfully in a dwelling.


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Quick thinking armed neighbors puts would be robber behind bars

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Date: Jun 24, 2005 3:44 PM

http://www.kxly.com/common/getStory.asp?id=44157

Alleged Burglar Fired On

A would-be burglary suspect is behind bars thanks to some quick thinking neighbors, and one armed with a pistol.
Lashonda Fuchs -Baker is facing residential burglary charges after allegedly trying to break into at least three homes Wednesday morning. One resident fired a warning shot to scare her.

Spokane County Sheriff's deputies were able to track Baker to a home and coaxed her out after about an hour.

Deputies say Baker admitted she was in possession of stolen property and could face additional charges


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(KY) No indictment in fatal shooting

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Date: Jun 24, 2005 3:45 PM

No indictment in fatal shooting


LEXINGTON, Ky. A grand jury has dismissed murder charges against a University of Kentucky student who shot a Louisville man in a struggle outside a Lexington apartment complex.

Twenty-year-old U-K junior Brian Briggs said in an interview that he told a grand jury Tuesday that he shot 22-year-old Cory Harris in self defense. He says Harris threatened to kill him during a May second robbery. Harris died a day later.

Grand juries meet in secret to decide if prosecutors have sufficient evidence to make a suspect stand trial. Authorities must prove only they have probable cause to proceed.

It was the second time in four months that a Lexington grand jury has dismissed murder charges against a suspect. Charges against Lucian Anderson, who shot a man in his driveway on Christmas Day, were dismissed by a grand jury in March

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Florence robbers leave gun behind

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Florence robbers leave gun behind
Date: Jun 24, 2005 3:46 PM

http://www.morningnewsonline.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=FMN/MGArticle/FMN_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031783455123&path=!news


Jun 23, 2005


Florence robbers leave gun behind
The two men who attempted to hold up a Florence pawn shop at gunpoint earlier this week remain at large.

Police said one of the robbers left a gun behind while fleeing the scene after a shootout in which a local man was injured.

The suspects initially entered the Ivey’s Pawn Shop on 130 N. Dargan St. posing as customers about 3 p.m. Tuesday. They purchased a couple of items before one of them jumped the counter and fired two shots at close range at a man identified as J.P. Costas, a friend of the store’s proprietor, hitting him once in the abdomen, Florence police investigators said.

“Meanwhile, (Ivey’s) owner Kenneth Alvin Davis retrieved a pocket pistol and returns fire, in self-defense, shooting at the individual holding the gun on him,” Lt. Ron Swaggard said.

Costas is expected to make a full recovery. Officers do not know whether the suspect Davis shot at was wounded, but they did recover his gun, Swaggard said.

“It has similar characteristics to the weapon used in a recent Florence County robbery, so (sheriff’s deputies and city police) are trying to establish a connection between this one and theirs,” he said.


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more anti hypocricy

by Nancy



June 16, 2005

PETA Employees Face 31 Felony Animal-Cruelty Charges for Killing, Dumping
Dogs

Center For Consumer Freedom Has Warned "Ethical Treatment Of Animals"
Workers Routinely Kill Animals

Ahoskie, NC - Last night, one month after the launch of
www.PetaKillsAnimals.com, two employees of People for the Ethical Treatment
of Animals (PETA) were arrested on 31 felony animal-cruelty charges for
killing and disposing of dogs and puppies in a dumpster. Today the Center
for Consumer Freedom is calling on Americans to stop making donations to
support PETA and its grim-reaper program.


for the whole story see:
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/pressRelease_detail.cfm/release/109

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NEVADA LAW ENFORCEMENT SETS RECORD STRAIGHT . . . The sheriffs in Clark, Lander, Humboldt

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NEVADA LAW ENFORCEMENT SETS RECORD STRAIGHT . . . The sheriffs in Clark, Lander, Humboldt and Washoe counties say the Brady Center was wrong to tell Nevadans and testify before Congress that those law enforcements officers opposed protection for gun makers and gun dealers targeted by predatory lawsuits designed to bankrupt honest people and businesses. Phone calls to the sheriffs were generated by NRA alerts about the Brady Bunch's attempts to defeat "The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms" legislation now nearing a vote, and the officials quickly set the record straight. They never authorized the use of their names on a letter the Brady Campaign circulated to generate support for its gun-banning efforts.

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Letter: Time has come to scrap gun registry

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Letter: Time has come to scrap gun registry
Date: Jun 22, 2005 8:22 AM
PUBLICATION: The Windsor Star
DATE: 2005.06.22
EDITION: Final
SECTION: Editorial/Opinion
PAGE: A9
BYLINE: Richard Robinson
SOURCE: Windsor Star

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Time has come to scrap gun registry

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The auditor general has acknowledged she's doing a follow-up audit of
the gun registry to check on the "fixes." We can only guess at what that
audit alone will cost us taxpayers. This is to see if the (literally)
tons of money spent fixing a government boondoggle project is being
well-spent and adequately controlled. That's like saying we want to make
sure our diligent politicians are igniting piles of our tax dollars
efficiently while making bonfires of wasted money, as they don't want to
be accused of overspending on matches.

Is anybody out there listening or thinking? The climbing rate of gun
violence in this country has proven to even the most avid registry
supporters that registering the guns of hunters and sport shooters does
absolutely nothing to curb the criminal, violent use of guns. Why are we
not scrapping the registry and returning to common sense laws and
controls that limit types, storage and uses as well as safety training
for sport purposes.

Those laws work well without the registry. The money saved could be then
used in law enforcement, etc.

Richard Robinson
Windsor


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Home invasion triggers shoot-out

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http://www.robesonian.com/articles/2005/06/17/news/news/story02.txt

Home invasion triggers shoot-out

By Matt Elofson - Staff writer
LUMBERTON - Raymond Rogers says he is lucky to be alive after a man broke into his home and shot at him repeatedly early Wednesday morning.

Tyrell Taylor, one of two men accused in the break-in, also survived, although he was struck twice when Rogers returned fire. Taylor, 21, was wanted by police for his alleged role in an unrelated murder. He is in fair condition at Southeastern Regional Medical Center, suffering with a collapsed lung.

Rogers said he was roused from his sleep about 12:30 a.m. Wednesday by the sound of someone trying to kick in the front door of his Greenville Road home. Rogers, 24, grabbed his .20-gauge shotgun and hid in a back bedroom with his girlfriend.

When two men entered the home and found Rogers with a shotgun, one began shooting. Rogers said he shot back, striking one of the men, but the man continued shooting as he lay wounded on the floor. Rogers fired a second time, striking the man in the chest.

"He shot at me about three or four times and he never hit me," Rogers said. "I reckon' I'm lucky to be alive. I had my gun to protect myself." Rogers' girlfriend also escaped injury.

The gunman and the second man managed to flee the home.

Sheriff's Detective Neil Tyner said authorities were able to identify Taylor after he was taken to Southeastern Regional Medical Center with gunshot wounds to his left leg and chest. Sheriff's investigators are still looking for the second man.

Tyner said Taylor and the second man pried open Rogers' front door with a hammer after repeated attempts to kick in the door failed.

Taylor will face charges from the break-in and shooting, but none had been filed Wednesday afternoon, according to Tyner. Taylor also could be charged with shooting into an occupied home on Paris Street that was struck during the shoot-out. No one at the Paris Street home was injured.

Tyner said Lumberton police had been looking for Taylor in connection with the shooting death of Marshal Locklear on May 17. Locklear was shot to death at a residence at 320 Daisy Circle in Myers Court in West Lumberton. Taylor is charged with felony accessory after the fact of murder.

Terry Ishmale Douglas, 19, is charged with first-degree murder in Locklear's killing



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