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is it time to pull the troops out of Afganistan?
by iceberg
in the light of what has happened over the last 2 wks is there any point in us staying.We are fighting the invisible enermy,yes our troops are without doubt amongst the best in the world but its so hard to beat an enermy you dont see especially when our supposed "allies" cant be trusted.
Do we pull out now leaving all the already brave fallens lifes lost invain or do we carry on and lose many more?
I do believe this is a war we will never win im afraid to say unless we adapt different tactics, which i think we all know what that means but which isnt going to happen.
Do you believe our troops would want out given the choice as they are professinal soldiers and this is what they are trained for?
I spoke to 2 ex forces last wk while buying poppies both simular age to me both had served in N Ireland, FIRST GULF WAR and Kosovo and both had different views on the conflict, one said we should pull out now, that we shouldnt have got involved in the first place and the other said for the good of civilisation we have to fight on and defeat these people althou he thought we should forget about cervillians and what the outside world think of us afterwards,, just his opinion.
Time to go yes or no? what are your thoughts
Re: is it time to pull the troops out of Afganistan?
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logically we should get out..but like u say all the lads that have fallen would be all 4 nothing..thing is..afganistan is huge..the british army over there is totally undermaned..helmand alone is half the size of england..its a unwinable war..very similar to the russians over there..its just to vast to control, plus the terrain, easy to disappear..the russians sloped off quietly, and thats what will happen with us, a drip drip withdrawel, instead of a all out one,its all politics mate and there all cunts..one thing i do know..the fallout with fuck up squaddies is gonna be huge..for years to come
Re: is it time to pull the troops out of Afganistan?
by VOF
I don't pretend to be an expert but imo, we should get out now. As said above, we're fighting a war we can't win, and for what? To improve the lives of the Afgans and give them a democracy?? They wouldn't know what to do with a democracy ffs, the whole country is riddled with corruption from top to bottom.
The resources wasted in continuing the war would be better invested in MI5, MI6, Special Branch, Immegration Service et al to maximise and maintain the secure boundaries of this country and let the other fuckers in the middle east get on with wiping each other out.
How many more brave young lives are going to be pissed down the drain in that God foresaken shithole before reality kicks in. If the stupid Russians were out before 8 years were up!!
Re: is it time to pull the troops out of Afganistan?
by SW
FIRST AND FORMOST WE HAVE TO REMIND OURSELVES THAT THE WAR IN AFGANISTAN IS IN FACT A NATO OPERATION AND WE NEED TO GET THE OTHER COUNTRIES TO PULL THERE WIEGHT RATHER THAN THE BACKSLIDING AND LACK OF COMMITMENT WE HAVE AT THE MOMENT. ALAS I FEAR OUR GOVERNMENT IS INCAPABLE OF DOING THIS.
WITH REGARD TO UK FORCES DEPLOYED IN THEATER, TOO LITTLE AND A SHORTAGE OF KIT PROHIBITS HOLDING GROUND AND GETS PEOPLE KILLED. SURE WE CAN CLEAR VALLEYS AND VILLAGES, THIS COST LIVES, BUT AS SOON AS WE PULL BACK TERRY IS BACK IN AGAIN. SIR RICHARD DANNET ASKED MCRUIN FOR 2000 EXTRA TROOPS WHEN HE WAS CNC, THE GOVERNMENTS RESPONCE WAS YOU CAN HAVE A COUPLE OF HUNDRED. YOU CANT GO TO WAR ON A SHOE STRING BUDGET. THIS IS VERY MUCH A WINNABLE WAR, THE ONLY THING THAT IS MISSING IS GOVERNMENT COMMITMENT.
FAR TOO MANY HAVE DIED OR BEEN WOUNDED BY IED'S WHY? BECAUSE THE LADS HAVE TO TRAVEL IN UNSUITABLE TRANSPORT INSTEAD OF HELOS. THIS COULD AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN SORTED BEFORE DEPLOYING. EVERYTIME I SEE THAT CUNT AINSWORTH TELLING THE PUBLIC THE ARMY HAS EVERYTHING IT NEEDS I GET THE URGE TO SMASH HIS STUPID FACE IN WITH A CLAW HAMMER. WHY WOULD ANY PRIME MINISTER PUT A MAN WITH NO EXPERIENCE OF THE ARMED FORCES IN CHARGE OF THE MOD IT BEGGERS BELIEF. AND THEN THE USELESS CUNT COMPOUNDS THE ISSUE BY IGNORING THE CHIEFS OF STAFF'S ADVICE AND DOING IT HIS WAY MEANWHILE TROOPS DIE. IT WOULD BE LAUGHABLE IF IT WASN'T SO SERIOUS.
ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTLISTS HAVE TO BE STOPPED, TERRY HAS HUGE AREAS OF PAKISTAN UNDER ITS CONTROL AND THE MOVEMENT IS GATHERING STRENGH FROM DAY TO DAY. SHOULD THEY EVER GAIN CONTROL OF PAKISTAN, A NUCULER POWER IT DOES NOT BARE THINKING ABOUT.
SO I SAY FIGHT ON AND DESTROY THE TALABAN WHEREVER THEY ARE. JUST GIVE US THE KIT TO DO THE JOB AND WIPE THEM FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH.
Re: is it time to pull the troops out of Afganistan?
by O.H.
Politics,Politics and fucking more Politics, That is why we are there nothing else, Now going to bore the lot of you, 1st World War, We had a pact with the Belgians that said if either country was invaded they would support each other, Just because arch duke ferdinand was assasinated we were pulled into a war that in my opinion had nowt to do with us......POLITICS.
2nd World War, Hitler invades Poland (truth be known he wanted a pact with us)he didn't want us involved, He said in mein kampf(Hitlers book)that the English do not now when they are beaten they will go on forever, again more POLITICS.
In both these wars we would have gone on for years and proberbly ended with a gorila war if the yanks hadn't got involved(pearl harbour politicaly manufactured 2nd world war)
I was against Iraq, and I am against Afganistan, Why the fuck do we think we are the police of the world(actually it's the USA who are)and that's why we are there because the Americans say so.
Our soldiers have no say in where they go, They join up knowing that a call to arms may happen 1 day and they have my upmost respect.
If our country is invaded then I will gladly serve my country, I will not support an invasion of another soveriegn state, All this shit that we have to defend our land 1000s of miles away is the biggest crock of shit since santa came down my chimney.
The Falklands was rightly defended.
I believe we are now locked in for years, And the only way out is if the British people say so and the opinion polls are heading that way.
As for those that have given their lives it's a tragedy, But to lose more would be a disgrace.
Re: is it time to pull the troops out of Afganistan?
by baggies2601
My heart says get them out now but my head says we have to crush these evil bastards . i have selfish reasons why i want our troops home . my son is joining the army in january, of course i want him safe as possible but he knows what is going to happen ..he is joining the royal engineers after all his training he it will be late next year before he is sent over there . i never want to see the destruction on the streets in bham again . 30 odd years ago the ira bombed 2 pubs and it was nothing short of hell if i remember . the irish community got a real hard time . im glad those days are over hopefully . now we have young pakistani youths who was born here trying to kill our soldiers who are trying to keep our streets safe . judas cunts the lot of em ......sorry for rambling on lads . r&r
Re: is it time to pull the troops out of Afganistan?
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good on ur lad joining up..cant go wrong in engineers mate...he will love it..dont worry too much..i know it looks bad, what with the constant repatriations..but there is thousands out there.so odds are good..the infantry lads are the ones in most danger
All the terrorist al queda plots and bombings against Britain including 7/7 etc.... they have all been committed here by home grown terrorists in leeds , bradford and london etc ...none can be traced back to afghanistan or even the taliban whos only interest is their own country..fact...anything to the contrary is government spin and lies.
We won't be pulling out. If NATO withdraws the Afghan government will fall to the Taliban within months, if not weeks. Pakistan is fighting a not far off make-or-break struggle with its own internal Taliban movement; if the Taliban control Afghanistan they will be able to provide unhindered support to the Pakistani Taliban and if this tipped the balance, the thought of Taliban / Al Qaeda getting their hands on nuclear weapons is unthinkable. The Yanks will never, ever allow this to happen.
The war is winnable if the Government showed the same committment as the Army is showing in Helmand.
Alfreton are you on your second tour with your lads in Afghan or are you somewhere else this time... I noticed your lads are on tour again as we speak..
Regards as always.
Yes they are back out there, having a bit of a rough time of it at the minute but the lads I've spoken to are going to get amongst them fuckers even more so now. They've taken recent events on the chin. I'm no longer serving; got a family now and getting shot at has lost its appeal.
"The Yanks will never, ever allow this to happen."
You have a lot more faith in that gutless piece of shit occupying the White House than most of us. Let's hope you're right though, because I'd rather not see a world where Achmed has a finger on the nuke button.
Congrats on your discharge and best of luck in the days ahead.
Acknowlgements to your summing up of the politics involved in the two world wars but feel that although the Falklands were indeed worth defending,Thatcher knew an invasion was planned through British Intelligence but chose to let it happen and take us to war to get re-elected.
Regards Afghanistan although i don't get sucked in by propaganda and government spin it does make sense to disrupt extremist terror groups at source rather than relying on stopping them at or within our borders.But to take that policy to it's next logical step would mean even if we managed to sort Afghanistan out we would then be turning our attention to Pakistan.And what of Saudi Arabia(birthplace of Bin Laden),Algeria and fuck knows how many other muslim countries that breed extremists? The 'WAR ON TERROR' could go on indefinately. The Afghans have sent many,including us and the Russians,packing over the years ( the Russians were trying to do it on a two bob budget) but they can be beat with more commitment and support from the government and without the restrictive rules of engagement our boys have to adhere to,neither of which will happen. My guess is we'll gradually pull out under a smokescreen of 'job done' propaganda lies.
Personally i'd like to see us climb out of Americas arse,fuck NATO off ( which after the fall of the iron curtain serves us no purpose and we're just the cannon fodder for),go neutral and keep our fucking noses out of everyone elses business,thus not putting ourselves up as the big fucking juicy target we are at the moment
Regards
Any old Derby remember this game ? has been covered before but as it is... the 33rd anniversary this month..travelled down on the train as a 15 year old wearing my first sheepskin ! think Derby took 2 trainloads which were rammed with Derby that night, strange night as nothing particularly unusual was expected to kick off but fair play to Brighton it kicked off really big time...there was several scuffles inside the ground as well as Phil Beale the Tottenham centre back at the time being attacked by Derby from the seats whilst sitting in the directors box watching the game ...but the biggest action was around Hove railway station after the game ..several hundred lads from both sides going at it like maniacs toe to toe with the ob struggling to contain events..this is where I had my first pull at the footy thrown in the back of a mariah...seemed to carry on for ages...bottles flying everywhere will never forget an old Derby fan must have been 70 odd then appearing amoung the Derby lads with a full crate of empty milk bottles shouting "here you are lads some more ammunition"..it was a crazy night wether due to my age I dont know I was released and put on one of the trains back to Derby after it had calmed down ...and I will never forget the sight on that train en route back to Derby rammed full of what seemed to me at the time as a 15 year old massive Derby lads with loads in sheepskins loads wearing Derby beret style caps/hats from wembley charity shield game the previous summer drinking straight from watneys party 7 cans....we were held up on the tracks in south London as our driver had allegedly been coshed and injured by Derby fans who broke into his compartment.. a replacement driver was duly assigned after a long wait...finally arrived back at Derby station long after the other train had pulled in at about 4am to be met by yet further ob....very strange ..very eventfull night.
Regards.
Yes I was there that night, and pretty much remember it as Forever Derby has written, 2 trains for a night game away in midweek! We got split up inside the ground and ended up on a side terrace open end next to the Brighton end where a few Derby were parked next with a line of OB. We tried in vain loads of times to get in and it was a grim night weather wise as it pissed it down. Afterwards it went mental and fighting everywhere, a very similar station approach as at Derby Midland Road, and all I can remember is very bright lights and milk bottles raining down on us from everywhere. Derby fans were lobbing them at us thinking we were Brighton at one point! I would also say that many Derby lads didn't go to the game as inside the ground we didn't have that many fans yet there were around 600 to 700 on each train at least. I too would like to hear some other accounts, can't believe it's 33 years, I was nearly 21.
MUST HAVE BEEN IN THE SAME MOB THAT NIGHT RAM, AS I REMEMBER A BIT OF SCRAPPING IN THE GROUND AS WELL. THE DAIRY WHERE THE MILK BOTTLES CAME FROM WAS AT THE END OF A SORT OF ALLY WAY THAT WE WALKED DOWN QUITE NEAR TO THE OLD GOLDSTONE ROAD GROUND, QUIT A BIT OF ACTION TOOK PLACE THERE AS WELL AS AT THE STATION.
Hi guys. Young Preston fan here. You boys ever have any run-ins with the mighty Preston of yesteryear? were/are they rated? not a lad myself but have a healthy interest in the scene of old. regsrds.
I think that Forest got a shoeing at yours mid-7o's, tho' I wasn't there. Can't remember you ever turning up here so can't say that I rate you as a mob.
Not on a wind-up, but have a healthy respect for your seaside chums, especially there. Nothwithstanding the trouble there 3 or 4 years ago when they admitted they'd been planning for weeks for their 'cup final', it was always hairy there in the 70's too.
About 5o of us went on their side of the Kop in 76 and I think we lasted less than a minute before OB came to our rescue and got us in the other side of the Kop with the rest of the Forest sharpish!!
Got to agree with VOF had a couple of brief run ins at Preston not much to get carried away with though.
However down the road at the seaside it has always been a different ball game.
I seem to remember a game old lad from Bulwell getting all of his front teeth knocked out there in mid 70's when we met theirs in a boozer on the front late Saturday night mayhem to say the least regards
May be wrong here but at my age things getting a bit hazy, Think it was a couple of years back in Derby(not to sure we were playing you)but some of ours came into contact with some of yours(not lads either)on outskirts of Derby, Was told that night we came off 2nd best.
Your lads I was told were into some martial arts, Think some ended up in the DRI.
WE TOOK YOUR END IN 1970, BIG OLD WOODEN PLANK FLOOR IN THE END WHERE YOU THOUGHT IT FUNNY TO GOB THROUGH THE GAPS IN THE PLANKS. BIT A REVENGE MISSION AS YOU ONCE GAVE OUR LAD LOZ A GOOD KICKING.
never looked at it that way but guess he did certainly in the dammed utd so guess looks more like michael sheen, doin well again depeche mode too, back from the brink of smack abuse too, done well.
Good call FD - any fucker who doesn`t get a lump in the throat listening to that isn`t English. Different genre, but how about this one too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdiCJUysIT0
Yep,love Shaun Ryder,as Tony Wilson said,prob one of the best writers of all time for his generation,,Pills Thrills&Bellyaches defo in my top 5 albums.
Hows about this Lilac..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--TwfsHgA6U
that bloke interviewing him when he was on the pitch with Longson, sounded like Huw Johns, never seen him before but the voice certainly rung a bell, cracking commentator was Huw Johns.
mint clips of Brian , always loved Derby , never wanted to live near trent bridge . theres another mint clip of him as guest commentator Derby v Spurs 90/91 season , we lost 1-0 Linneker scored , perhaps one of you computer experts could post it ? regards SB
and theres some clever editing here the violent bits were cut, look at 24 seconds, the youth on the left getting cracked on the back of the head, nasty
I,d say were backs to the camera when we start.Thats us getting legged so work it out for yourself.
A good bit missing at the start and in the middle.I,ve got the full one and will try and bang it on sometime.I,m obviously the best looking and best dressed on there by a mile!!!
Regards
Is from Peterborough! Thats his workmate pIcking him up off the floor! Wouldnt call it bullying really as ten plus constitutes a mob imo. Some You win some You lose and all told they werent a bad set of lads. Got to remember we'd been down a year or two before with the stags and smashed em all over. Cant have it both ways and all that!
Clip of 100+ DLF/Youth at QPR few years back, normal escort stuff though albeit was some action had that day. No there arent many Derby clips on youtube as not much has happened in these parts for some time, no point in pretending there has. The CCTV footage of the Florence pub Friday night match would be good though, eh gents?
Nor can i mate but some folk get off on watching it cos they dont have the bottle to get involved. Probably the same ones who post em on You tube and such sites.
Regards
Got to agree with SW why would you want your mug plastered on you tube Never in it for glory myself just he rush of pitting my wits against like minded thugs regards
i was active till around 2001 but dont recognise many faces on the clip
i used to knock about with st--wy and mick b--d both good lads
still go down a couple of times a year but can not afford getting nicked any more once the kids came along
respect to older forest and derby
None of us can afford it now mate. That's why we sit on our PC's and post our memories instead. A few of us on here are grandparents now, never mind parents!!
Been down memory lane with my mother today shes 82, But get this my gran lived on Joseph street near the Baseball ground in the 50s and 60s(my grandad passed in the 30s) and she was sorting a fella out whose has a surname the same as yours T***** just wondered if your grandad was living round there at the time
His christian name isn't known.
This message has been edited by derbycounty on Nov 12, 2009 2:57 PM
Quiet possibly althou i do know 3 other familes from area i grew up in with same surname althou non related but dont know anyone else with same name, i take it when you say "sortin out" you mean sortin out?
Confirmed... it is in tonights Derby telegraph....This is Derbyshire.co.uk is the web site address.. cannot put the link up myself not sure how to do it...basically incident as you say Stan Smith..with several Derby fans surrounding the car and stopping the coventry wankers from escaping following the incident... one Derby lad in particular was really on the ball and sorted things ..ob have subsequently made 4 arrests in connection with the incident.
Some of your main older lot are working with a couple of ours at the minute, strange because there seems to be a healthy respect from them. Obviously your not one of them. So come on then, lets have one of your stories (not your usual second hand accounts) on when you have lifted a finger against us. oh, and while your doing it try not to bring up Wembley against West Ham, Millwall Surrey Quays or Millwall axe in the door for the hundreth time. Before I get all the Coventry are fuck all blah blah blah, I'm only 36 so wasn't around in your goldern era, but as a firm we have been a lot more active than you's or a lot of others on here in the last 10-15 years. As for what apparently happened last night, wasn't there but if its true then it is out of order but don't tar all of Coventry with the same brush.
South Shore i live in Brum just up the road from Coventry believe me they have more than there fair share of wankers..shit city shit people..a boil on the arse of our BIG city !!!
aint got the time now lovvy as about to go and pay my respects but will be back on later and will give u blow by blow account of when we fuckin mullered you at yours in 96 and humiliated your main faces, and yes i was their and heavly involved that day, i also know some of your real lads of old, laters...
Thing is this incident shows the wankers have never changed, bunch of scarfer bashers always have been, ive seen Blues , Villa, Wolves and ourselves over the years take the piss there, yet seen them sneaking about after the mobs have gone searching out car stragglers goin back to there cars in 2s and 3s they never change, they certainly dont have the spirit of there forefathers who faced the luftwaffe in the 40s . wankers the lot of them !
my first hands on experience of cov was in 84 when i went to their place with leicester, myself and 10 or so dlf went over, was a lively day to say the least resulting in about 40 of us gettin in the upper tier of the seats behind one goal, hadnt been in their long before it went rite off with a big mob of older cov heads resultin in us althou bein outnumbered and takin it to cov battlin um over the seats with yous being backwed down the stairs onto the concorse, my pic made the N O W the following day, lucky me.
Athou ive been to a few derby cov games mainly at derby over the yrs ive never seen a deal of effort from you, saw you once surrounded on abbey st car pk about 8 yrs ago and to be fair you looked a capable group, and we banjoyed some gobby cunts before the cup game on ivy sq in 97.
Now to apr 97 at cov about 30 of us met in a cafe opp DRI early on one sat morning and got an early train over via brum, after a few bevvys at new st we headed for cov about 11 30,would say no back markers present among our 30 eigher.Initially after gettin pulled by covs ob after not bein out the station long i thought thats it for us now but to be fair, where theirs a will theirs a way...
Escorted to the rocket pub by covs finests we soon decieded this wasnt for us,,one of ours had been out the back of the pub and realised you could jump a wall outside the back of the place and into a car park/ multi story type and fuck off as the ob couldnt see what we were up to, just that we were inside suppin,, must have had a fuckin shock when they nxt stuck their beeks in to find us gone... into the car park out the other side flagged taxis down and suppin where we wanted, and not where we where told too.
Now thats more like it in some shitty back st boozer nr a big park, few beers and the lads are restlest, couple been out scoutin but havnt seen a deal, we deciede to have a gander towards the ground and take in a pub up that end in the hope of seein some cov, but to no avail.. we end up somewhere rite by the ground called the sky blue tavern, fairly busy prob 40-50 cov fans in their and 4 lads in the corner who must of know straight away who we were as the didnt stay long, steady drink in their resultin in a couple of our heavyweight black lads "workin the door" chargin cov fans a quid to get in,, funny as fuck especially when a couple more cov lads came for a gander to be told its a quid if you aint derby... we know sooner or later cov would show up ,," yes they shown themselves up alrite", as we left about 2 45 they were just walkin in our direction but came to an abrubt halt when we saunted into them ;" derby dlf - come on cov" yous fuckin melted lad, more of yous than us but fuckin spinless, the two big nongies at the front of yous pooped it, yous totally shit out, we didnt even havin to rush ya you just kept walkin tryin to get out the ways of us, pathetic mate.
After the game our group now totallin about 40 get way from the ob and walk in the direction of the same park we"d been past earlier in the day, after gettin to come traffic lights other side of the park we see yous comein up the rd in our direction with results in us raggin you all up the rd, the only thing that saved yous is the ob, by the time they put a show in youd been ran, the ones that did try and have a pop got dropped, with the main group of yous runnin in the graveyard and in a boozer nxt to it,, so mr coventry man if thats us doin fuck all i"ll leave it with you.
I believe theis been another couple of incidents at yours involvin a mob of ours around 98 time mainly younger lads with a few old heads chucked in where the ob saved ours from possibly gettin turned over due to your numbers and also the following year when our lads were bangin the doors of the engine house and yous wouldnt come out and play???
I used to frequent the eclispe alot between 90-93 and always found you cov lads no more than bully boys, tryin it on, against weaker minder opposition who on the hole wernt in the eclispe for trouple, infact you tried it with me and a couple of pals one nite but soon changed your fuckin tunes when we wernt at all fazed by yous especially when we had about another 20 in their down stairs, funny we didnt see you for long once our numbers were revealed.
Also did some her majestys early 90s and spent alot of time with baz e and his lad tank also two old school legion boys NW and raff who were all decent lads, bar that everyone else from cov ive had the pleasure in meetin has been an arsehole.
You may have a active youth firm nowadays fella but its to fuckin late in 2009, fv in the main has been dead 12yrs.. no respect from me for what its worth.
I feel a bit of sympathy in a strange way for the lad who posts as Coventry. It must be shit to be a( what he appears to be)quite decent lad and have to try and defend the name and honour of such a dirty,down in the gutter,ragbag load of vermin that is/was and will always be Cov. I will say here and now. that it is a very nasty place and the fuckers who live there have an edge to them.But thats what happens when nobody has any respect for anybody else. And thats why the shithole has NEVER had a decent mob. In a word, FILTH ! No history, No morals,No class .
Firstly, If you read my post it was aimed at Forever fella, but fair play for jumping in to your pals defence, would still like to hear off him (without any extracts from your post though). From what i've read, only two instances and one of them with Leicester. Didn't mention the big row at ours on Ball Hill after the cup game where the papers quoted over two hundred hooligans battling in the streets, not claiming anything just two sets of lads going at it toe to toe. If you can't remember its when one of yours got thrown through a shop window. Also a year or two after, hour and a half after a Saturday game on Gosford Street, where you's had the better to begin with but we certainly came back into it. At yours, we've brought two good mobs but sadly never got together, other times little mobs. last two seasons we've had little mobs collared at the station and escorted back to Cov by plod. Also another time at yours some of our Rugby lads had a good battle in a pub in Derby and one of ours got smacked in the face with a stool, after which he was that pissed off that phoned your lads up who invited him for a drink, which he did and if you were there you know what happened after (just a funny little tale). As i mentioned in my previous post only 36 so without the benefit of a delorean car and a mad professor i can't get back to 70's and 80's, but your only patronising your own young lads by saying its finished because its not and lots of other firms are still trying, its just harder nowadays with harsher penalties. Now i'm not going to start quoting names of who I know as I don't believe thats what these forums are for and I won't lose any sleep about you not repecting us. As a side issue, that rent a hooligan who I think is Derby, called Cog, you need to get over us and start watching some other teams as its a big world out there. Anytime a thread comes up with us mentioned you slag us.
im not patronising anyone as i still go myself an "try" to get it on as you put it but its like a damp squid nowadays,, i also mentioned in my last post about the yr after we had taken the piss the time "you came more into it" i wasnt their but have been told by lads i know and trust yous were gettin the better of it when the old bill turned up, also stand by what i say never seen you here bar the time on abbey st surrounded by old bill,, why is it every month or so you re appear askin does anyone rate cov?? my answere is firmly NO each to their own doesnt mean others dont thou!
I was at the game you mentioned 1984.The stand you went in was a family stand of sorts ie no firm.You battled with scarfers that day, i know a few of them.I was told you bought tickets for the wrong end by mistake ? The better action was when the legion got on to the side of the pitch and ur boys in the away end raced onto the pitch an a good row was had,can recall a few bods bein sparked out after the old bill had arrived to quell the brawling an to this day i still believe it was Leicester who came off worse.
Was not present at the Gosford Street incident late 90s after the game but the lads who i went with were there (not firm) an from what they said you's got spanked, apparently you had some black bodybuilder types leading from the front who got done ? I know its the law not to comment on stuff when you wasn't present so take this paragraph as you like.
I'm proud of my city an do take offence to someone on a pc slagging us off,but i know i shouldn't and wont loose any sleep over it. I can honestly say Derby was never present in the time i witnessed fv,mid to late 80's i think we were prob in different divisions for most of that time,not sure ?
I think the bloke/blokes slating Cov prob got slapped in our fine City at sometime.
Sorry for pissing on your fire fella but 84 i was present and you was in a family stand and you was brawling with normals. So im lying then that the legion tried to get to the stand you was in and as they got onto the pitch Leicester entered the field of play an cov turned an ran towards Leicester an so the rest is history.I'm not a liar my Derby Storyteller i have no reason to.
The late 90s incident after the game in Gosford Street i take it you was there ? any comments ?
I like to read this board and there are some great stories but why do you get so upset if someone has a different opinion to you.Fucks sake its well in the past an so it should stay there, no need to get verbal over the net pal. Ive seen Cov get turned over many a time but have also seen them take on the big boys and get results sometimes.
yes you got on the pitch in 84, you say we were fightin with scarfers, well i say they were mostly blokes without colours for your info, what about outside by the ticket office when our same group this was before the game had it with simular numbers of yous, did you do us then?? no you didnt, to be honest fuck knows how we still got to our seats after that, ob slack in them days,, you keep refering to gosforth rd? well i dont know st names in your hovel to be honest with you, what i can tell you is in 97 the game ive already spoke about we fuckin mullered yous after the game up the road by the graveyard where you ran like fuck? is this the incident ie gosforth rd?? if so your a liar, if a diff game how can i say as i wasnt their, only been yours twice and have said it how it was,, im no storyteller my friend and dont want to piss on your fireworks but what ive described is how i saw it,, you are becomin cringeworthy with your bullshit you obviously werent their that day in 97 and if we are on about diff times fair dos as its wrong for me to comment on what i wasnt involved in, so i havnt
What year was that mate as i do remember them turning up 30/40 handed first game of the season in 98 i think it was and they did have a bit of a go by the south bank.
Will have to give them twice in 40 years then mate as the time I was thinking of was the semi-final when they mobbed up and just as quickly dissolved on the Exec car park just before the game.
As i said the blokes you were fighting with were "normals" in that stand.I used the word scarfers not because they were wearing colours but to say they were not lads into the fv scene.You admit yourself the legion came onto the pitch from another stand to try and get to yous in the west stand.
"Hovel" lol, very cutting storyteller.All i said was that i believe Cov had the better on the pitch in 84.You prob did everyone you came across that day, another Leicester superfirm me thinks. Prick !
I dont know which year the said incident occurred in Gosford Street possibly 98/99 i wasn't there and i dont think you was either.All i know a firm of 40 or so Derby were being escorted down the street and it was prob around 6.30 and were confronted by Cov lads.I heard your black boy at the front was put on his arse ?
My take on 84 is not bullshit my friend, its what i witnessed and what is fact.
My take on 98/99 is from what i was told and i did say in my first post i was not present so take that statement as you will.I never said it was fact.
Chill Derby boy and stop name dropping you know thats not allowed.
Lettuce boy just another little incident you might of been present at.It could well of been 84.Time i roughly think was 11-12 pm.Myself an a couple of friends were sitting chatting on the ramp leading up to the upper precint (broadgate area)in Cov.One of my friends looks round an says to us i aint hanging round here,i look to see about 40/50 bs marching towards us (from the direction of the train station) then give chase to us.Funny as fuck looking back but at the time i shit myself but managed to melt as you like to say into the busy shopping precint.Slate us for running but as a young teenager and only a handful of us i didnt fancy our chances against the numbers yous had.
If you was there lettuce boy or old bs you would remember the incident.
know what incident your talking about,when we took cov by suprise,i wasn't there but sure Lessta was,he was ever present at just about every incident around this era.
In reply to your twos comments on various cov derby encounters
So lets get this right shall we, has been said by the derby lads who were their at cov may 97, cov got ran which resulted in them peggin it throu the graveyard and some back into the pub nxt door? but you say.. incidently by your own admission you werent their cov87,but youve been told so thats ok... derby started well but cov came back into it.. cov came back into it? when was that exactly please, because once youd shit ya keks and ran into the graveyard and pub it was action over as the ob flooded the area are totally tied it down or should i say tied derby down.. so just once more coventry fella when did cov exactly come back into it? when derby had arrived back home? i cant get or make sense of what your sayin their, plus you werent
even their or one wasnt the other had his rose tinted specs one.
I know people see situations differently from time to time but fuck me lads i dont know how wide of the mark you can get, cov87 you also say it may not be Fact but just what youve heard.. sort it out between yous eh and come back when you know the truth
CAN I ALSO TAKE THIS OPPERTUNITY TO DEDICATE A SONG TO YOUS. ENJOY
Was on gosford rd in 96 it was about 6 30 well after the match around 35 to 40 of us with no passengers.your lot came out of two pubs ,big lad who had been trying to get phone numbers in the ground led your lot got put straight on his arse,we piled in and over a hundred cov ran like fuck,some down the rd alot through that graveyard,and aload back in the pub and barricaded door.4 police horses arrived and charged us back up the street,at this point cov try to get behind the police and follow us police vans now arriving Derby being rounded up by police in two groups one on the pavement on either side of the rd,the black lad you mention tripped when the police horses charged us,it was KR or special K surrounded by cov who up til this point hadnt thrown a punch,putting the boot in K jumped back on his feet me AM PS and a couple of others slipped the coppers ran back to help K PS smashed a pils bottle on ones nose and cov legged it again basically you were rubbish.
didnt realise that was gosford rd mate where graveyard was, was may 97,, how the fuck they can claim owt other than a loss is incredible, like you say they were rubbish end of..never mind the embarrasment outside the ground/sky blue tavern, that didnt happen eigher i bet, deluded!!
Firstly Coventry I respect the following things about Coventry ...the heroism of the citizens during the bombing blitz in the last war...the quality of coventry lads in the forces when Britain has been at war...the heroism of the cov lads in your local regiment the 2nd Fusiliers who have become almost legendary during their latest tour of Afghanistan....I am not questioning the manhood of Coventry lads in general ..all I am merely saying is that as a football mob/firm in what has been described as the golden age for a city of your size coventry has always punched well well below their weight and were known not to show anywhere outside of coventry as a rule ... Derby used to take liberties at your place and at the same time you never brought any mob/firm to Derby at the old bbg to my knowledge...and to answer your other question regards my personal visits to your place then click on.. "Captain Pradas" reply post headlined "forever whatever" and one of my original posts regarding my personal trips to coventry are also on that post as a reply fourth post down.... as I cannot be arsed to re write that post.....as regards your sarcasm regarding west ham , wembley etc...maybe you could educate this board with accounts of when Coventry have mullered west ham..or indeed taken it to west ham and millwall in London back in the day and had results ?...then we may take your lot more seriously ...but I will not be holding my breath....
I heard from a witness (ram )today and his story is nothing like the accounts below.
An audi with 2 black guys tried to get through the crowds on the road of the car park from the away end. They pushed along and continued to pip the hooter and were then confronted by a dierby fan who banged on their windscreen and gave it the big come on. The 2 black guys got out of the car and one of them planted a right hook on the Dierby fan who was knocked out on the road.
A large group of deirby fans surrounded the car but didn,t fancy anything else from the 2 black guys. At this point the OB arrived and escorted the car away. Ambulance came for the Dierby fan....
Again having to start with firstly but here we go, don' t know much about computers but i'm sure if your admin can be arsed to check you will see that i'm not the Coventry poster who often posts about rating Cov, do I give a fuck if you rate us or not, no is your answer. I get enough from friends and family thanks. If you read my post to you about the Gosford Street incident I say you's had the better of it, I was there so no need to lie just at the end I don't think it was so one sided but then thats just my perpective, everyone has a slightly different view and position on things depending on which side of the road your on. Still no comments about the cup game row on Ball Hill though where ther was 100+ of you's fact. My opinion of that one is we had the edge, but again just my view. Wasn't outside the tavern so won't comment as I wasn't there. The 84 game I was only 11 sitting in the family stand you decided to go in, its the one with big writing outside saying FAMILY STAND, so not sure why you chose that upper tier as alot of Coventry were in the West End below. The fighting on pitch from and 11 year olds view was two sets clashing, a few sparked on both sides, police intervening with no side running the other. Which brings me onto LESSTA (not sure if thats the urdu translation), by your post people would think we've never even had the bottle to stand up to the cry baby squad let alone have a result against you. Judging by your comments I might be lead to believe your a distant relation to Cog, but again trust me I won't be losing any sleep if you don't like or rate us. VOF, to be honest I have spoken to some of our older lads and one or two have said we never really did much against your lot. In my experience (as I said in an earlier post I'm 36)only been to Forest 3 times in a mob of sorts, once as a youngster in the League cup where there was bother on the bridge, same day a 30 a side down some side street. More recently when our youth had an arranged meet in Beeston, to which your youth bottled it. then we met them in Nottingham later and had a bit of a scuffle after the game. Then the year after when we were holed up in some pub when a couple of yours came in, nodded then went off. Plod turned up 20 mins later so taht was the end of that.
I've put my two penneth in, not really into a my cocks bigger than your cock row (not talking about that clip that someone put up of a Derby bloke in a porno a few months back), just pissed off at Forever's comment about Cov then a few after, as this is an open forum took offence and said my few pieces, like I said don't give a toss if we are rated or not, just don't like all of Cov getting slated as we do have some decent lads and have have some good days and results and are still getting them. We've been done plenty too but that's all part and parcel as far as I'm concerned.
Aint gonna start on Cov(been doing so long now with cov,its like bashing spastics).True,they have come up in the world,of sorts,with the mighty Legion Youth,and true Leics haven't had it all our own way with you.Most of the major rucks,barring the last one,we've certainly got more in the win tray,than loss tray.
Was you there Dec 1984,at our place,you done us before the game and thought you might get a cheeky result after.WRONG!,ask any of your older lot,cos if that aint the worst spanking you've ever had,at least 20 Cov,lying motionless,even the OB on a bike who stopped and phoned in for backup,was 'clotheslined'and stamped on.A bad day for the Legion and deffo set the tone for future battles.
Thing is,in the 80/90'when you could get a way with a lot more,we caused you severe damage,a point that still lives with Cov,to this day,and why you still keep trying to make up for lost time.
Theres loads of other incidents i could name in the last 20yrs you've melted,and only perhaps 2 where ive been present and you've had the upper hand.
In summary,its like this-Personally i dont rate Sheff utd.No paticular reason,and a lot of lads do rate them.Another of our very main lads,never rated Cardiff,thinks pound-for-pound their nothing special,but i havent met anyone lad in quarter of a century,that has actually said anything consrtuctive about the Coventry Legion.Coinsidence or manufactured lie?You tell me Cov.
As you ask the question Old BS, as i've said twice before i'm 36 so the incident at our's in 84 (i was 11) scared me a bit and thats what probably stopped me taking me school mates as a mob to you's and the fact I was that young I don't think I was even getting pocket money then to travel. Sarcasism out of the way ours paths have really crossed in the last 10-15 years, before then as a kid I always prefered it against Villa. So in that time apart from when 60 of us made that fateful trip to your place after we played Derby last game of the season around 2000 (one of ours made the mistake of ringing to tell you we were coming and gave you 3 hours notice) and we got done fair and square, when exactly have we melted, because i've been present at most and none spring to my mind. Was it the time we brought 150 to you's in the cup and smashed your main mob and had them all running scared. Was it the time we brought 35 later that year I think in the league and came rushing out of the ground straight into what was there, one of our pro boxers surpassed himself that day, we ended up running some back into a pub, granted by then the OB wrapped us up just as your main mob come round the corner and would no doubt of done us but shame you were to late, or more recently when 50 of us came over at 3pm in taxis in contact with you's telling us where to go, we get to some pub and say were here still no sign so we think fuck it lets get round to their pub and you still don't come out to us, then OB grab us at the last minute, hope you weren't one of the ones phoning one of our lads saying they were going round to his house and shit like that, no fucking class what so ever. Year or two after again told you we were coming, our Rugby lads got wrapped in town we come in cars and go to a pub near the ground with a clock on the top I think and make the call to which were told we are to far away, so we make our move down past a supermarket and see fuck all all the way to the ground. Then, finally I think a couple of seasons ago we again try to come at around 3 in cars etc to get collared on the way into Leicester, so we fuck off to Sapcote to see if you will come there which you won't so we went back to Coventry. So Old BS, even with the rosiest of tinted specs thats not exactly melting unless you've got some obscure rabbit tucked away. Remember how old I am this time before you come with the golden era stuff. I'll leave it with stuff at your place for now and give you chance to answer and if you want we can talk about your trips to Coventry. Sorry to have to do this on a Derby site but was asked the question.
Started off on this thread by giving you personally some credit and i suppose i can still see your angle on things,but you have to realise one or two things. Firstly,call me an old Urdu living in the 'Golden Era' by all means,but what you've not grasped is that this forum is for better or worse, geared towards lads who were a little bit more than scared 11 yr olds in 1984 . Not knocking you by the way,but those days really were 'Golden' and don't just take my word for it. Think back to what you saw for yourself and imagine being in the thick of that action! As for Cov v Leics, the reason we matter so much to you to this day to you young Cov (and i include a 36 yr old in that) is because of what we did to you right through the 80s(and from 81 not just 84) 90s you had a good few tries and a couple of results,but some more mares aswell mate,and fuck the excuses.0ne final question. Why hayent i been ableto go to Cov away once this Millenium without having to face crowbars,baseball bats,knives,coshes? And its fact,Ive seen all that shit at close quarters. Is it cos we've really managed to whip you up that much? Cos you don't fancy it without? Or just cos your wankers?
Last one on this thread then Cov.Oct 94,night match at ours(sure it was on sky live)It was the first time we played you in 8yrs,Cov bring nothing.March95,return trip,we oblige take 2 coaches,get holed up in city centre,Cov come to us with 30lads,gas our pub,we run out of 2 exits,goodbye cov,also had it on the park after the game,can't remember much.After that we go Hinckley for fun&games(sure we watcehed the Benn/Mclenen fight in the boozer)
1999 Plough inn at yours.We arrive nice and early,100+lads,we ring you,Cov say your still mobbing up.We wait,and wait.Suddenly you come with the entire W.midlands constabulary.Nice one.
Dec2000,again we attempt to bring it to you.This time we have 3coahes and 2 minibuses,sunday game.We get told to go holbrooks area,you say no OB with you.We oblige,and get off at holbrook lane,walk over the bridge,towards the Lockhurst Tavern,ive never seen 200lads so keyed up for a row.We see you in drips/drabs coming out of the car park,Behind the OB.Yet again.The OB chase us all over this housing estate,we end up on Fosehill road,and in the ground at 1pm!not happy.Even the OB said it was lucky we wern't allowed to get near you,as Cov just never had the numbers that day.
As for the ones you've mentioned,the episode with 30of you coming over Feb07,we actually came out the pub near Holiday Inn,looking for you,after a tip off,would have been interesting as there was only 30 odd of us.
If you are cosher Legion(and it sounds like your proper and decent)then you will know about the above incidents,and will surely agree,that when it comes to it,we have been a lot more proactive when it comes to bringing it to you,out of the way,and without the OB.Even last year,when we certainly didn't have it our own way,It was Leic that arranged it,done the hard work,didn't attract the OB,and then called it on.Agree?
Was the 95 game when we beat you 4-2, I remember that one because I put a tenner on that scoreline for some mad reason (got £400 back), although nearly lost my betting slip in the scuffles up under the flyover after. If it is, its also when we had it with OB in town after and they got two broken arms, birmingham's finest plod hated us after that. The incident at the Plough, we were on the other side of town when we get the call and when we eventually get together into taxis etc it is hard to get 80 lads through a town without being spotted by OB. When we start arriving down the road the first lot come straight up the hill to which you's all charge out of the pub, we what for you to empty the contents of the Plough at us (yes LESSTA you using weapons against us) we clash up the side on the path for 30 seconds before OB start spraying both sets with CS, funnyest thing that day was the scared copper who got his gas out the wrong way and got a full squirt into his own mush. We then tried again outside the Mercers on the corner but OB got in the way, not before one of your main lads got put on his arse by on of ours who sneaked in with you lot. You can see it on the tapes the OB used when they nailed some of ours. After the game lots of trying but only one winner OB. The one in Holbrooks, yes you did have more than us, but you were over an hour late and the pub we were in called the OB so it was game over again sadly. Think some of you came out during the game and tried it on in a locals boozer in Stoke Heath to which they they took offence. Your lot in there were trying to get out and the ones out were trying to get in. Was only told this as I played football from there for a bit, so only second hand that time. The one last year was a mutual arrangement but do admit you have been pro-active but so have we. I'll readily admit we haven't exactly moved mountains in terms of FV but in my time we have been more active than a lot with results going both ways for us but that to me is all part of the fun. But where you lot are concerned I cannot stand you's but always look forward to it because we have had our fun. In answer to LESSTA'S comment on the weapons debate, I personally don't like them and it's only some who use them, but were not the only one's in the country, I think the blade culture down in London far outweighs us or anyone else at the moment. Like I've said before it's all down to personal views and your entitled to yours , just I don't agree. Just for the record, the one at your place in the cup was our main mob with no weapons and we did you fair and square.
Fair do's Cov,can you remember that artic lorry that was stuck on that road in the Plough incident.Cov were charging up the road,we came steaming out the pub,the lorry was stuck in the middle!,his windscreen was smashed to bits,the poor fucker was on the phone,frantically trying to ring for help.Funny as fuck.
are you two clowns coventry and cov87 a comerdy double act? surely you are, if not the same person your surely in cohoots? for the record when fv was at its peak you were not sighted, you pop out a youth firm now when most have called time on it and all of a sudden you the dogs.. for the record lads you cov muppets are more renowned for your spas chariotts pitch side as apposed to your firm, you need a reality check fellas no ones really heard of yous.cheerio
to be honest i always classified cov as a family club along with the likes of ipswich watford etc. just a good day on the lash never really seen them raise much of a crew .
same here always had em down as a family club never known em bring any lads to bramall lane since i started goin early 70's and its always been a bit of stroll at highfield road and ricoh when i've been...
Don't want to butt in too much as this is a midlands thing but just in cov's defence they came to Manchester and battered city at Maine Road which to be fair to the scruffy blue cunts not everybody managed and they did make it awkward at their place once or twice for us.
Wouldn't say they were from the top drawer but I wouldn't say they were the worst either, but as I say this is a midlands thing and you'll all know better than I.
......Coventry may well wish to take the opportunity to tell of coventrys exploits on their visits to their nearest and dearest in the west midlands area ie Brum, wolves, villa and west brom..I know its not a long way to travel but its a gauge...for all I know they may have taken the spion Kop at Brum every season they have played there !...I will take a non reply as nothing has happened in your travels there.
i can tell you that they have been none exsistant against the albion at our place thats a fact . we had a few rumbles at highfield rd but they always went on to the park and threw bricks then fucked off when they ran out of ammunition . the last time we played them in the cup 5-0 albion at the ricoh .i was in a minibus with just normal lads and my old man who is 73 . we were waiting on the island and about 20 of them walked past we picked up some iron rods and they didnt fancy it one bit and that was against blokes from 16- 73 . they come across giving it the bigun and shit it ....god bless my old man he didnt have a clue what was going on .....but that sums them up trying to pick on normal fans and then shit it .........wank team , wank fans ,wank city !!!!
Where were they running too then? If its to get stuck into a load of the opposition and smashing coppers to get to them fair play, if it was just to hit a copper and run off - bit pointless really.
I am writing with regard to my absolute astonishment and disbelief as to the sheer magnitude of your complete lack of talent and failure to carry out the job for which you are paid to do. I am not aware of any swear word or other derogatory phrase in my current vocabulary which comes close to a description of your performance (and I use that term loosely) this afternoon, but let me just say that you have collectively reached a level of inadequacy and ineptitude that neither I nor modern science had previously considered possible.
In fact I recall a time, in my youth, when I decided to call in sick at work and instead spent the entire day in my one bedroom flat wearing nothing but my underpants, eating toast and wánking furiously over second-rate Scandinavian porn. Yet somehow, I still managed to contribute more to my employer in that one Andrex-filled day than you complete bunch of toss-baskets have contributed to this club in your entire time here.
I would genuinely like to know how you pathetic little píssflaps sleep at night, knowing full well that you have taken my money and that of several thousand others and delivered precisely fúck all in return. I run a business myself, and I believe I could take any 4,000 of my customers at random; burn down their houses, impregnate their wives and then dismember their children before systematically sending them back in the post, limb-by-limb, and still ensure a level of customer satisfaction which exceeds that which I have experienced at Blundell Park at any time so far this season.
You are a total disgrace, not only to your profession, not only to the human race, but to nature itself. This may sound like an exaggeration, but believe me when I say that I have passed kidney stones which have brought me a greater level of pleasure and entertainment than watching each of you worthless excuses for professional footballers attempt to play a game you are clearly incapable of playing, week-in, week-out.
I considered, for a second, that I was perhaps being a little too harsh. But then I recalled that I have blindly given you all the benefit of the doubt for too long now. Yes, for too long you have failed to earn the air youve been breathing by offering any kind of tangible quality either as footballers or as people in general. As such, I feel its only fair that your supply runs out forthwith.
I trust, at this precise moment in time, that Mr Fenty is in his office tapping away on the Easyjet web site booking you all one-way flights to Zurich, complete with an overnight stay with our cheese eating friends at Dignitas. Dont bother packing your toothbrush you wont need it.
In the event that our beloved chairman cant afford the expense (understandable given that hes soon going to have to assemble a new squad from scratch), then I am prepared to sell my family (including my unborn child) to a dubious consortium of Middle Eastern businessmen in order to pay for the flights. Christ, Ill drive you there myself, one-by one, without sleep, if I have to.
Failing that, understanding that most dubious Middle Eastern businessmen are tied-up purchasing Premier League football clubs, I ask you to please take matters into your hands. Use your imagination, guys strangle yourselves or cover yourself in tinfoil and take a fork to a nearby plug socket, or something. Just put yourselves and us fans out of our collective misery.
So, in summary, you pack of repugnant, sputum-filled, invertebrate bástards; leave this club now and dont you fúcking dare look back. Youve consistently demonstrated less passion and desire than can commonly be found within the contents of a sloths scrótum, so frankly you can just all fúck off dont pass go, dont collect your wages, dont ever come back to this town again.
I look forward to you serving me at my local McDonalds drive-thru in the near future.
I know quite a few Derby who are travelling out to Amsterdam (the hague) for this game... think it is this thursday...any lads on here going too ? think Den Haag have a bit of a rep in Holland...some say the millwall of Holland ?...many Derby travelling could be an interesting game......
Regards.
Know a few lads going, have a good rep den haag but cant see anything kicking off. Zip it dodger Albeit I'm one of currently only 400 idiots going to Swansea next Friday, which is a poor show.
To any Derby travelling.... the hague is the 3rd largest city in Holland after Amsterdam and Rotterdam and is not far from Amsterdam...the price of tickets for Derby fans is 7 euros..just £6...their new stadium is the Den Haag stadium capacity 15000 located at a place called Forepark in the hague...and curiously and ironically Den Haag have a strong relationship with Swansea city who we play on Friday...kick off in Holland is 7.30 pm...also curiously Den Haag are requesting that all fans who are travelling should have either a passport or some other photo id available...source Derby Telegraph....all budget airlines easy jet, ryanair etc running regular flights to Amsterdam all wednesday and thursday right up to the evening and beyond....also regular ferries also operating from felixstowe and Harwich to hook of Holland throughout the day and night.
it's a good drink in den haag only 20 mins on the train from the dam new ground out of town loads of buses/trams run to the stadium. used to bad 15 years ago might still have a little mob Enjoy
Lol - was with him last weekend - can`t remember him wearing that hat, though - in fact, can`t remember much at all due to the amount of alcohol consumed. I`m getting too old for all-dayers
Forgot to add - will also be on the other outing he has planned. You`ll know the one I mean Note: it`s just piss-up for anyone who might be thinking other things
