Hi, snakedoc, In regards to fig 13, This is achivable. As Mindy said the right arm turns clockwise or "supinates" . The right hand comes over the top and it feels like the left hand rolls under the right.( this is where I might be confusing people with rolling hands) . It feels like the left hand rolls under the right but is actually just bowed , and the back of the hand faces away from you. Thats the feeling I`m getting anyway . The clubface does stay closed and when the downswing takes place the clubhead again comes into the square position and is held there for a far greater time by not rolling the hands over after impact. They stay in the same position and are thrown upwards, just as Mindy stated.It gives gives you the "feel "of rolling the hands . It gives you the feel that Mindy said, "of skipping stones" the hands are thrown up into the air , they dont roll over. Thats what I think anyway, I hope that helps. Thanks Lea form OZ.