We're thinking of tripping into Annies' Bay this spring. Does anyone know if it would be worth while spending a day on the river, or has it bacame infested with Pike??
thanks in advance,
Skeeter
I know that is a relatively new rule, that came out a few years ago now, but there is one thing that has always bugged me about this rule. Specifically the phrase. "any dam"
This may sound silly, but I'm curious. Would this rule include 'beaver dams'?
Anyone know?
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Bryce
128.100.3.40
Re: fishing regs.
January 28 2009, 12:31 PM
Won't lie, kinda laughed when I read that.
I wouldn't think it includes beaver dams, but fair question definitely. In a sense, you can call it a "beaver lodge" which effectively "dams" the river. Perhaps this is a workaround?
99.227.23.221
Re: fishing regs.
January 28 2009, 12:37 PM
If it's not in the fishing regs is it enforceable?
Good Question Markus........I always assumed that the rule applied to man made dams. I never thought about beaver dams.
What bugs me is that the 100M dam rule isn't even listed in the MNR fishing regs. So no clarification there.
I once asked a park warden while at the Oxtongue River dam if he could show me where a 100M was so I could fish without breaking this 100M rule. He was unable to show me without being pretty vague. So I chose to fish elsewhere.
How are they going to enforce this reg?
Maybe the "No fishing within 100M of a dam" signs should be changed to No fishing beyond this point.(and placed a 100M away from the dam)
IMO it would be more concise
Sorry I didn't mean to get loooooong winded there,
SBA
Barbara
99.239.44.223
Re: fishing regs.
January 28 2009, 1:32 PM
I find it annoying that the 100m rule wasn't printed in the updated fishing regs, under the exceptions for Algonquin. Doesn't mean that it's not enforceable...the online and print regs are just a summary
of the actual legislation, so who knows. It does make it tricky to know what's what, though.
damn, that's a good dam question, Mark.
anybody emailed these questions to the MNR yet?
Barbara
James
70.54.215.114
Re: fishing regs.
January 28 2009, 1:43 PM
I'm not a fisherman, so this question is just curiosity...what is the significance of the proximity to a dam?
Mike
209.183.151.178
Re: fishing regs.
January 28 2009, 1:47 PM
Fish herd up at a dam as they cannot travel further upstream, makes for easy picking.
heh yeah Barbara, I opened up a can of worms!
If I were to go by the language of the regs, then a beaver dam would qualify. as it would be just 'any dam'.
I don't think it would apply here, but I wouldn't want to find out the hard way! You're right, "Shorebound" a more concise explanation would seem to be in order.
I am speculating here: but I think this rule at least for APP, stemmed from the fact there are great concerns about Pike getting into Lake Opeongo and destroying the trout fishery and beyond into the watershed in that area, via the Annie Bay Dam. all it would take is one person catching a pike or two from the dam and tossing into Annie Bay. If this is a correct assumption, i figure authorities expanded to all dams, killing two birds with one stone, sort speak.
I would fell quite silly to have my car, canoe , and everything else confiscated, cause I was fishing 95m downstream from an old beaver dam, that I didn't even know was there!
Can't get any more silly than that!
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Bryce
173.33.211.159
Re: fishing regs.
January 28 2009, 2:09 PM
The precise whereabouts I cannot remember, but when reading 'A Life In The Bush', there was a lot of talk about people in the "old days" using pike for fertilizer: catch a pike, bury it, grow your garden etc. It was all in jest and a poke at the fact that people didn't appreciate their eating from what I recall.
Anyways, it's interesting that this book was written about a setting many years back when pike were in/around Algonquin Park (perhaps this was in Whitney?), yet it still poses a concern to us these days. All i've ever heard about these species is how quickly they can take over a lake, but I wonder to what percent of lakes containing pike in AP we can attribute as natural populations. I may be incorrect, but I seem to recall a steady population of them in the Petawawa.
As for the beaver dam bit -- sorry to Markus if it sounded like I was laughing at your question. It caught me off-guard
99.233.239.208
Re: fishing regs.
January 28 2009, 2:33 PM
np Bryce, I was laughing too
If dams are easy pickings for fish, why are not natural falls banned from being fished?
Just wondering! Good reason though Mike. It does make sense.
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Skeeter
142.46.227.65
Pike in Opeongo River??
January 30 2009, 10:05 AM
So.....thanks for all of your posts, but my original question wasn't answered,LOL, does anyone know if there pike in the river???
Thanks,
Skeeter
72.137.36.214
Re: Pike in Opeongo River??
January 30 2009, 1:49 PM
Skeeter -
According to the Fishes of Algonquin PP reference they've sampled pike as far up the Opeongo as the dam just south of Annie Bay. I don't know of anybody yet that can confirm they've caught or seen Pike in Annie Bay (yet).
Regarding the regulations fishing below man-made dams - its done to help reduce/prevent the risk of spreading diseases and invasive species in our lakes by careless fisherfolk who catch them on one side but release on the other. It has little (if anything) to do with the potential of some dams being fish concentration points. That's why we have Pike in Booth Lake and it will be likewise the reason should they show up in Annie Bay. Pike in Opeongo would be a very negative influence on the charr and certain other fish populations.
Barbara
99.239.44.223
Re: Pike in Opeongo River??
January 30 2009, 4:12 PM
I caught a pike in Kitty Lake, 3 years ago I think it was.
Barbara
Bryce
207.112.113.107
Re: Pike in Opeongo River??
January 30 2009, 5:22 PM
Pike are in Booth lake. I saw/ate one pulled out this year. So my money is on them being in Annie Bay if the waterway is indeed connected
72.137.36.214
Re: Pike in Opeongo River??
January 30 2009, 6:26 PM
Someone on this forum (sorry, can't remember who) posted last year that they had caught a northern out of Tattler Lake, which is just a northern extension of Booth L. They have been recorded as far up the Opeongo River as Tip Up Lake, the last section below Annie Bay (as described in my previous post above). I haven't been to Tip Up Lake, but according to the map there's a dam that separates it from Opeongo L. Unless the dam breaks the pike will need a 'helping human hand' to get beyond that barrier and there will obviously need to be at least one of each sex. I guess a loon or fish eating bird could help them expand their range as well if one were to drop their still living pike dinner into Opeongo L that was caught out of Opeongo R (long shot, lol).
I've caught northerns out of Kitty, Crotch and Farm L, but haven't on Booth, but obviously they are in there.
On the AP fish study I was involved with we spoke with a CO officer and he said people had been catching pike on the downstream side of Booth Lake dam (e.g. that flows into Kitty L) and released them on the other side (e.g. Booth Lake). Fisheries Management people were very concerned about the Pike's encroachment to Opeongo L, but at this time (as far as I know) they have yet to migrate further upstream then Tip Up L.
Introducing new species to AP is nothing new - it occurred (with support from the Provincial government) back at the turn of the century when smallies and largies were introduced to many waterbodies, in addition to Pike in certain lakes (e.g. Sec Lake). Then there's the splake in many Hwy 60 lakes and also rainbows introduced to a handful of smaller lakes.
