I am not great with a computer so I was woundering if someone can tell me how to print off enlarged sections of Jeffrey's map for tripping. Can this be done? and if someone could give me some tips, it would be great. I look forward to purchasing a map book from Jeffrey if they are made available.
You sure can, but it might be a bit of a pain. The handy thing is that I've cut up the new map into 72 sections at a 1:80 000 scale for most, so it'd be really easy to print them (They're also the book pages.) It'll be another week before I post the new map and have the map book ready for purchase, but if you tell me what area you'd like maps of I can send you digital versions the appropriate mapbook pages (They're suitable for printing on regular 8.5"x11" paper.)
Thankyou very much. I think you have done a fantastic job on this map
99.249.50.209
Re: Jeffrey's map
March 7 2009, 3:50 PM
I love the map. I previously was able to print off sections but am unable to any longer. I am planning a loop through Merchant, Happy Isle, Big Trout, Burntroot, LaMuir, Hogan, and back through the Crows with day trips here and there. I would be grateful for any pages you could send me. Thx and well done. I will definitely be buying the book.
206.188.77.30
Re: Jeffrey's map
March 7 2009, 5:15 PM
I've found the maps you need and will be sending them in just a minute (I'm uploading them to my server right now.)
Hope you have a good trip!
I feel that I must out-do AZ and Rob L and Fred Forest and many others in complimenting Jeffrey on the effort he has put in to the map.
What brought me back to the map discussion was the Lake Lismer thread which shows an updated version of Jeff's map that I don't have.
--So-- I went to Jeff's site and could not find the updated version.
--But--what I did find, was a 'totaly selfless site' which offered an online version of his maps for 'free'. Instead of askng for donations for his own time and effort, Jeff discretly suggests donations to--The Algonquin Backcountry Recreationalists--The Brent Cabin Fund--The Friends of Algonquin.
When the map books become available I would consider it a privilage to purchase 2 personaly signed copies with a notation (something along the lines of)---
"It is my great pleasure to document the Algonquin Highlands. Algonquin Park is the last remaining natural habitat in Southern Ontario to sustain our wilderness heritage. It is my hope that this map is relevant for centurys to come."
signed JeffreyM
Jeffrey, I hope you are not offended by my presumption. To me the map is a documentation of the park in 2008. It is my hope that it will remain unchanged for many years to come.
206.188.77.30
Re: Jeffrey's map
March 8 2009, 5:37 PM
james67,
Thanks dude! Your kind words really mean a lot! The new map will be posted in a week or so, but email me and I'll send you a copy right now. Mark S has an early copy since he was instrumental in helping me choose the colours and design for the new map (So I don't do anything stupid like coloured lakes, lol!)
You'll get two of the first copies of the book :D. Since the shipping from the printer is so high for a single book copy, I'll be importing them in bulk and selling them directly (Plus the cost is less since I get a discount when ordering my own book from the printer,) so I can write whatever you'd like on you copy.
Thanks again for the compliments, it's really encouraging and helps me get through the boring tasks that are part of the map creation process (Tracing things for instance.)
Jeff you can add me on to you list of people who would love to have it! The amount of work you put into it is astounding. My father, brother and I have loved using your map to be able to send screen shots of areas that we are interested in visiting to one another. Great work.
99.227.23.221
Re: map
March 8 2009, 8:12 PM
That's awesome Kevin! I'm sure you'll like the new version even more! I'm just starting a formal list right now; email me at preorder@algonquinmap.com with the number of copies you're interested in and I'll add you to my list. This isn't a formal commitment by you (ie I don't need any money yet,) but I'm just creating a list so that I can estimate quantities for when I order in bulk, and so that you can get a spot 'in line'. By the time I start accepting money and shipping out orders I'll have a PDF of the book online so that everyone can take a look at it as well as a price (Of course!)
Hey Jeffrey, I just read through the Nippissing River post and saw you have a logging road on it which I have travelled on before. How do you get that detailed info? I looked everywhere to find out about logging roads in the area.
99.227.23.221
Re: map
March 8 2009, 8:57 PM
Hmmm, is it on one of the AFA maps? This is the most current one in terms of roads:
There are a bunch of other places where I've supplemented that, but most roads are listed there. Next year I'm going to trace all the skid trails off Google Earth (I've already started.) There are a huge number (I realized when I started tracing... I've spent 4+ days and only completed the Lavaille, Bissett, Sec and Rain lake areas,,,
I just shot you an email and I look forward to getting a copy of the map book. Great idea! I suggest you make a thread to announce that it is being made available, as I believe the demand will be much higher then you may have planned for.
A few questions for you...
1)Will the pages be laminated or waterproof?
2)Size and weight?
3)What format? I imagine the full map in the front cut in to 70+ sections, each pointing to the appropriate page number. Am I close?
4)When do you expect it to be available?
99.227.23.221
Re: A little more info about the book...
March 9 2009, 11:51 AM
Will do Jim,
I plan on making the formal announcement when I release the new map (I hadn't planned on telling people about the book until then, but some people had enquired about printed copies and.... well, you can figure out the rest.)
In terms of your questions:
1) Nope, it won't be waterproof or laminated. I'm just going with a print-on-demand company (And ordering in small quantities to save folks the $15US shipping charge that would apply if one were only purchasing a single copy.) That means that options are limited . The good thing is that the pages are printed by a laser printer, meaning that if you bring a page or two (Or the entire book,) and it gets wet, the ink won't bleed, the paper will only get soggy (Again, it'd be nice if I could find a way to get it printed on a waterproof substrate but such is life.)
2) Size in pages is... 84. I don't have my proof yet, so I can't tell you weight. The dimensions are 8"x10" with .5" margins on all sides except the centre which has a .75" margin (Which makes each map 6.75"x9" or 9"x6.75")
3) You're exactly right. There's a table of contents and an index map pointing to 72 different submaps. Each submap was custom made (As opposed to being extracted from the big jpg) so that nothing gets cut off. The scale varies between pages, but is 1:80 000 for the most part with a few 1:60 000 sections and two 1:100 000 sections (The 1:100 000 sections cover places that wouldn't be of as much interest to those who paddle Algonquin; for instance, Lake of Bays is covered by on of those two maps.) When I release the new map and make copies of the book available for sale, the PDF of the book will be available online for download.
4) My timetable is like this... receive proof, approve proof, release map for download online, order 50 or so books and shipping supplies. Hopefully I'll receive the book proof this week.... that means that I'd post the map this week and order the 50 or so books this week as well. Obviously there's places that delays could happen in this timeline, but that's my hope.
Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions.
I would like to change my order from one copy to two and will email this to you as well.
Thanks again!
Jim
http://www.algonquintrips.blogspot.com
99.227.23.221
Re: You're the best!
March 9 2009, 1:30 PM
No problem. Like I said, no need to commit until you see the actual map and book downloadable files and I have paper copies of the book in hand (And a price!), but I will make note of that. The real purpose of this list is so that I can remember who to email with info when I have copies available (I'm really unorganized usually, so this is my attempt at an organizational system.)
Thanks to everyone who has shown interest in the map (Paper or otherwise,) it's a real vote of confidence.
Hey Jeffrey, I just ordered two copies as well (and I hope they will be personalized!). You'll have to let us know how big you first order is because I'm sure it will be a lot larger than what you expected!
Looking forward to it.
JoD
Markus
99.234.61.184
Re: You're the best!
March 9 2009, 1:47 PM
I'd like to place an order as well for your fantastic map book Jeffrey. I can purchase from you at Rock Lake.
Would this be ok?
http://www.ABRweb.ca .. Algonquin Backcountry Recreationalists - Caring for Algonquin's Backcountry
AZ
170.35.224.65
Re: Map
March 9 2009, 2:07 PM
Hey Jeff if you could personalize mine with the secret buried gold and diamond locations in the park we talked about I would appreciate it! Simple red X's will do - Thanks!
99.227.23.221
Re: You're the best!
March 9 2009, 2:08 PM
Sure Markus. Mark S = Scarlett. You'll always be Markus :p.
Will do! I can write w.e. you'd like. Fwiw from this thread I've gotten requests for 14 copies. But yea, I'll follow up when the time comes.
Ultimately I hope this means that I'll see some folks using it on their trips this year . That'd be totally awesome to see. I realize what a pain in the ass it can be to print sections of it out yourself, plus you really need it printed by a laser printer so it doesn't bleed if it gets wet. So yea, I hope this helps!
yes me too, but when he sends official emails, he signs it Mark S, to differentiate from Mark R, and for some reason that's who I thought you meant and couldn't figure out why you were not using 'Stainless', instead...boggled my mind..now all is clear; M Scarlett. heh heh
50 books???? ONLY 50 books?? Man, you're gonna sell that many right here!! Those books are gonna take off like wildfire! But that's great!
And, I'm sure I threw my hat into the ring awhile ago when I first got wind of your map, but I guess this sis the official thread to request one, or three as the case may be.
And if you don't mind making a quick note to include any of Swede's or Raccoon's secret speckle locations, with a bright red dots [in keeping with the speckle trout theme] that would be ok by me too.
I'll take three or four Jeffery!
Oh and, like the other poster had requested, I too would like a signed copy if you don't mind. Yeah you could throw in something like, "Shawn you have been an inspiration to me, since meeting you, and would like to go camping with you again (as long as you don't make me haul your stupid sleigh again)"...you know, something along those lines.
But seriously, thank you very much for all your hard work. I can only imagine how much time and effort you have put into creating, which will undoubtedly be one of the most sought after back country maps in Ontario, this unique and extremely detailed map.
Thanks again Jeffery.
Shawn
99.227.23.221
Re: I'd like one to !!!
March 9 2009, 4:48 PM
LOL, I can always order more than fifty, but 50*PricePerCopy=$$$$$$ - Remember, I'm a poor student who doesn't actually make money and instead spends all of his free time working on the map .
Four!? You're my new best friend . I don't really make any $$ off of them (That's not really my intent,) but what an honour dude. If you fish for specks, the new map should be your friend - especially if you don't mind doing a bit of bushwhacking.
Thanks so much Shawn! I really appreciate your kind words. Hopefully I'll be able to see you again soon; it really would be awesome to hang out with you again. This time you must join us the campfire though :p.
Capturing Google Earth features:
That's great you're going to 1:80K and will be capturing forest road (and other) features of Google Earth. If you are going to that level of detail, why don't you enlist the help from willing folks here to capture the skid trails and other old forest roads off of GE? That could, depending on how many people volunteer for the effort, help shave quite a bit of time off your own data gathering. I've captured many features off Google Earth including some logging roads for input into GPSr as Trails - it's quick, fun, accurate and very easy so anyone can help you in this. They can send you the kmz/kml files via email, you check'em over, edit if required (e.g. trace over the points) and add to your map via Illustrator. I'd certainly be willing to do this. Are u capturing the skid trails as double lined or single lined features?
Waterproof Inkjet/Laser Printing Paper:
There is waterproof printing paper for inkjet and/or laser technology printers. Standard letter, tabloid size and custom banner sizes are available. As the paper is expensive I only use it on the maps I know I will be reusing or have a special requirement for. You can also write on them with standard pens, unlike some waterproof map-covering liquids. Available here: www.waterproof-paper.com/inkjet-paper.shtml and in Canada: http://www.maptown.com/ (letter/tabloid only). I still keep these 'waterproof' printouts in proper tripping map cases, paper is paper and it will tear and blow away...
Microsoft
You should strongly consider going to the dark side in terms of O/S and importing your map (.AI file?) into a true GIS if your features are georeferencable (I know Illustrator supports it). Don't let your personal bias get in the way - setup at least one workstation with a 64 bit MS O/S with appropriate workstation-spec hardware. It is possible to convert your Map to a format readable by Garmin (MapSource + device), Google Earth, Lowrance, etc (there are converters available) but you'll likely have to work in MS.
Printing / Image Editor options:
I will be downloading the latest iteration of your map but will likely just zoom in/out to my preferred extent via Photoshop, capture a screen grab, editing the .jpg as required and printing it on tabloid or letter for use in the field on trips to the Park. Using that method you are guaranteed to capture your trip in the print(s) you require to the extent preferred - its what I do for all digital topos, satellite imagery, scans, or whatever. For those without Photoshop/PaintShopPro or other purchaseable image editor there are some very good free alternatives (and some even support MAC):
Gimp - http://gimp.org
PhotoPad - http://photopad.en.softonic.com
Paint.NET - http://www.getpaint.net
and of course MS Paint
I look forward to checking ur latest digital map creation to see what details you've included in the 1:80K
mike b
216.8.147.220
Yes...book me in for a book!
March 9 2009, 7:40 PM
Hey Jeffery!
Yes...I would love the book version buddy!
Thanks for all the hard work you have invested in making maps and such...
what would we do with out you?
Cheers
Mike
99.227.23.221
Re: Yes...book me in for a book!
March 9 2009, 7:52 PM
Thanks for the compliments Mike :D. I've added you to the list - #16 as it were. Will you be coming the opener?
I'm also going to be making 1:25000 topos at some point, but it'll take some time to do. Maybe for version 3? I dunno, we'll see. It's just something I was thinking about (Can anyone tell me if it'd be of interest?)
If anyone wants to help me trace skid trails, that'd be awesome! I'll have to find and post what I have so far, but that'd really help. I'd really appreciate it. To be honest, the only reason they didn't end up in this version is that it just got to be too boring tracing them. Like I mentioned, I must have spent 40+ hrs on it, and it really wears on you. In terms of capture, you just need to capture them twice; I can then duplicate the shapes in illustrator to provide the second stroke.
In terms of waterproof paper, anyone who wants to print the maps on waterproof paper themselves is free to do so. Anyone is always welcome to print any version of the map for themselves if they want, the printed versions I'm providing are only to make things easier for folks since 'commercial type' printing can be a pain to set up and can be really pricey and a lot of people have asked for a printed version to be made available. I'm obliging since I want to see it used as much as possible . In the future I may get into printing on waterproof materials myself, but for now I don't have enough $$ to do so.
I know a bit about GIS since I've used it a bit for this newer map. Mostly I've used it for converting shp files to AI files, but I've also generated the hill shading, contour lines, and grid through it (The new map has contour lines and a UTM Grid :D.) In terms of converting for Garmin devices.. it's on my mind, but it's lower in priority. The same for an iPhone version. In terms of a georeferenced kml file... if someone wants to help me, that'd be great. I've georeferenced earlier test versions for grid calibration and peak portage elevation calculation, but it's just a pain to do. I usually use 300+ pts and it takes forever.
I'd like to order at least one, perhaps two copies.
Just wondering what the selling price is?
Jeff you should be extremely proud of your accomplishment your map is fantastic and I look forward to the countless hours I'm going to spend looking through the book!
Thanks,
Aaron
99.227.23.221
Re: Yes...book me in for a book!
March 9 2009, 9:27 PM
Hey Aaron,
Thanks for the kind words dude! I really appreciate it. It's comments like that which make it worthwhile.
In terms of the price.... I can only estimate right now since I don't know if I'll need to make any changes to the proof, etc, but I'm expecting it to be ~$20+$2.50 shipping and packaging. Shipping of course wouldn't apply for anyone picking it up at an AA gathering, my place in Toronto, etcetc.
The cost is = to the cost to me + shipping to me + contingency + a little bit to pay for free copies for people like Jake Pigeon from Brent. For what it's worth, my intent isn't to make a whole bunch of money off of this, rather to make it more readily available in print . Rather than telling everyone to order from the Print-On-Demand company I'm going through, I'm importing the books myself since when bought in bulk the shipping price to Canada drops to $2 from $15. I wish the price could be lower, but at least it isn't too bad compared to other good Algonquin books (I'm looking at my copy of Canoeing Algonquin Park by Donald Llyod beside me.)
1:25K - I'd be very interested. What other features would you have added to this scale compared to your existing 1:80Ks, or would you just have some features identified as double lines that are now just single lines? Are you using data layers sourced from OBM in your new map? You can download vector/point/etc data to your hearts content in various projections, and OBM contains some of the most expansive and accurate spatial data I've seen.
Let me know when you're ready to receive kml files captured off of GE, and what areas you'd like to cover. As you said it is a very repetitive process however it's fast and fun, and a bit here and there will really add up - especially if you have many data gatherers. Unfortunately there are large areas where the satellite imagery from GE over AP is very poor: cloud cover/bad resolution/heavily rasterized. In these poor coverage areas is unlikely anything as small as forest trails/roads can be identified and captured. Until they replace these tracts with improved imagery many such features will have to remain uncaptured from GE. To my knowledge there are no other free satelite imagery sources that provide the scale, format, type and detail that GE offers.
Depending on how deep you want to take the map - you can elicit help with people carrying GPSr in the park with them and capturing 2D portage Trails, campsites coordinates, etc. If you are using the campsite location from the FoAP CRMap as guidance, you know there are many errors (missing campsites, campsite offsets, campsites identified on map but non-existent, etc). However that's a lot of work for you in the short term at least to correct for all of that.
99.227.23.221
Re: Data Capture
March 10 2009, 12:15 AM
Hey SM,
1:25K is just something I've been think about, not something I've started. My idea was to have one for each lake (ie the 'Hogan' sheet, the 'Big Crow' sheet, etc.) In terms of features, there probably wouldn't be much new (Can you even think of anything new to add? Mark Scarlett suggested beaver dams which I think I'll do in the future, but I'm out of ideas other that.) I don't use OBM, rather I use NRVIS (An MNR dataset.) As far as I can tell OBM is just as good as NRVIS... NRVIS is really accurate as far as I've seen in the last year of using the map. That being said, if you can find places where OBM is better than NRVIS, I'll switch over. In some ways I think it'd be worth starting from 'scratch' in terms of the base layers (In order to improve accuracy since the techniques I originally used.. could be improved upon a bit,) but it's just a pain. I'll probably go for it at some point though.
In terms of gather kml of the roads, yea you need the new 10m to 1 pixel imagery for it to be achievable. I've looked into satellite imagery and can't find anything than what GE uses, paid or free.
I accept and use campsite and portage location tags. Look at the 2345m portage from Cedar twds Catfish as an example. Bo very kindly gave me a GPS last year, but I haven't been able to get it to work yet. It's something to do with a change-over around '99... I've been looking into other units, but I don't have the $$.
In terms of the locations I do use, I use a heavily corrected FoA dataset. I've personally got about 350 days of trips under my belt which I use to correct the data, plus I've had a lot of people email me in corrections. Believe me, I've been really really screwed by bad FoA data. Just as an example, West Harry is the wrong shape on the FoA map. Because it shows two bays rather than three, we went down the wrong one!!!
If there are any left in the "50", could I please order two copies?
Thanks.
Barry Bridgeford
http://www.AlgonquinAdventures.com
http://www.ABRweb.ca .. Algonquin Backcountry Recreationalists - Caring for Algonquin's Backcountry
Barbara
99.239.44.223
Re: 2 copies please ..
March 10 2009, 8:57 AM
hehehe...what fun when these threads wander off to the left. LOL
um...metoo, metoo! (1 copy)
Good work, JeffM. (And to think...your university edumacashun is going to good use...teaching you how to TRACE!!!!!! LOL)
Barbara
Barbara
99.239.44.223
One copy for "metoo"
March 10 2009, 8:59 AM
wander off to the RIGHT!!
see, that's what happens when you don't get a university edumacashun. doh.
No wonder it's all I ever hear: "NO, your OTHER left!"
Barbara
99.227.23.221
Re: One copy for "metoo"
March 10 2009, 9:26 AM
LOL Barbara. No, it doesn't require a uni education, rather, it's what I do when I should be getting one (ie when I'm sitting in class only sort of kind of paying attention.) You can join the delightful club too if you want .
Only seems fitting since you have a quote on the back lol! Gee, these first 50 are almost all spoken for and I haven't even posted the new map :s. What a vote of confidence! Don't worry, I'm sure you'll all like it. Plus, this time it's been approved by two Marks so that I don't do any more stupid colour schemes.
I do not think I can make it to the opener....but you never know....
thanks again.
Mike
Iain
99.237.0.52
Re: 2 copies please ..
March 10 2009, 10:43 AM
I would be interested in purchasing one of the books.
If there are any left. Even would be willing to pay more for it, so you can put a couple of bucks in your pocket for all your hard work.
Goodfella76
67.68.1.3
Re: 2 copies please ..
March 10 2009, 11:38 AM
Jeffery,
It does appear that you may have underestimated the demand for your maps, I would like 2-3 as well, if possible.
Great job by the way, I could only imagine the time it would take to complete such a task. I assume it is a labour of love, however.
Thanks for your efforts, many like-minded enthusiasts will appreciate/benefit from your hard work.
Goodfella,
Stoney Creek
130.63.186.117
Re: 2 copies please ..
March 10 2009, 12:42 PM
Iain: I've got you on the list now . Don't worry about paying more - there's no need. If you ever have corrections or suggestions, I'll take them though . If you want to spend extra $, it'd be really great if you donated them to the ABR (See my signature.)
Goodfella76: I didn't want to be presumptuous . Not to worry, I'll put in for second and possibly third orders after the first fifty are sent out. The real reason I'm buying in quantities of more than 50 is that I can't afford it. As I mentioned to Shawn of N.B., I don't have a job beyond my school work and this map, so my resources are limited. And yea, it is a labour of love . Generally when I work on it I work about 10 hours a day.. and I've probably put a few hundred days into it over the last 2.5 years.
Thanks to you both for your messages! Send me your email addresses for reference if you don't mind.
To everyone else: There will be more copies available, but any further orders will be part of the second run (Though I have a couple reserved for Sean of Ajax and Dogbyte if they want them.) That being said, if you're picking your copies up for the opener, I should have the second batch of books in by then so it shouldn't be a problem.
Perhaps you could set up a PayPal (or something similar) account so that you can receive advanced payment, from those of us that are committed in purchasing your maps, prior to your order. This way you will not have to tie up all of your spare cash in one purchase of 50, and alleviate some of the financial burden on you. This will also enable you to purchase a larger order using "our" advanced funds to assist in payment.
I realize you're not completely certain to the exact penny, but surely you could give an accurate guesstimate. Only speaking for myself, I am not concerned with nickles and dimes, let a lone a couple of loonies difference. The cause and value of these maps far outweighs any small monetary fluctuation from now till then.
Again, just my humblest of humble opinion.
However you decide to receive funds, let me know and I will send it to you asap.
Cheers
Shawn
38.116.192.100
I had to ...
March 10 2009, 2:40 PM
A few more posts on this thread and it will be vertival .....
I just had to mention that.
Jeff P
http://algonquincanoeing.blogspot.com/
JeffreyM
130.63.235.41
Re: 2 copies please ..
March 10 2009, 2:53 PM
Hey Shawn,
It's a possibility, but at the same time I don't think it's fair to ask for a commitment for something I don't have in my hands...
Think of it this way, if you had an online store front and was able to ship them out to prospective buyers landing on your site, they would have to purchase these maps before you shipped them correct? And even the transaction would take a few days (you don't want to be running to the postal outlet everyday so you would indicate that you ship on Mondays or something like that) before you would be able to actually ship them out. So, what's the difference?
Imagine how many orders you would have in one week of just forum/ word of mouth advertising? Then if you were to mail out at the end of each week, how much money would you have collected in any one week? People always pay in advance over the Internet. How many times have you purchased something on the net and received your item before paying for it? Yeah, that's what I thought.
People will line up for this. Just wait until word really get's out. You're gonna be swamped!
Ask and ye shall receive. Once again, I bet you'll be surprised. Trust me
Cheers
Shawn
Iain
99.237.0.52
Re: 2 copies please ..
March 10 2009, 3:37 PM
Thanks Jefferey sent you an e-mail!
99.227.23.221
Re: 2 copies please ..
March 10 2009, 6:15 PM
Hey Shawn,
But at least I'd have the books on hand so I would know that I could drop them in an envelope and into the post box right away. Basically I'll ask for the $ in advance o shipping, but not in advance of holding the books in my hands.
The other thing is that I don't know how long it takes to order from the printer. So, let's say I go order 60 books and all 60 are spoken for. I collect $ before the books arrive. Then 2 have defects. That means I have money from two people who I don't have books for.... not very cool.
I am in for sure for a map book! It will be like Christmas waiting for it!
Nice job Jeff!
For some reason I cant post messages in the AA forum. My computer says "problem with cookies"?
I am locked out!!!!!
I figured it out - I can'y use Firefox - I have to use IE (dont like that!)
99.227.23.221
Re: re: Map
March 11 2009, 1:08 AM
Gotcha on my list Tom! Send me a screenshot of the error message if you can.
Tom - I use Firefox (v3.0.7) and Google Chrome (v1.0.154.48) on my main Workstaion, both can post fine in AA. Close Firefox and reopen it, likely something cached that is giving you some problems. There are a few websites that don't function properly in these browsers (middleware doesn't install), but 99% of them do.
JeffM - just a suggestion: create a new dedicated thread with the first posting identifying the people and quantity of books they've requested.
People can look it over and confirm the numbers listed and it allows a clean start for others to post their request.
Barbara
99.239.44.223
Re: All most there ....
March 12 2009, 8:47 AM
See, if you reply to a post that already is off the map, so to speak, then it continues to verticalize the following replies.
I think...let's see.
Barbara
Markus
99.234.61.184
Re: re: Map
March 12 2009, 8:54 AM
Funny SM.
Although with the proposed changes to the navigable waters act, S.Harper shouldn't be allowed to purchase Jeffrey's book.
I only hope that such changes do not affect waterways in Provincial Parks!
Forgive me SM, I should've put LOL! or a , It really was funny, especially the Tom Thomson Reference.
I just have a strong dis-like of Heaven Starper.
Cheers
http://www.ABRweb.ca .. Algonquin Backcountry Recreationalists - Caring for Algonquin's Backcountry
72.137.36.214
Navigable Waters Act changes?
March 12 2009, 10:30 PM
Hey Markus,
No worries, lol, I knew what you meant, nothing to forgive.
SO what's Harper cutting/making more difficult to do now? I'm no fan, putting it mildly, of that cardboard gloomy character.
216.54.91.163
Map
March 20 2009, 4:08 PM
Jeffrey,
considering the amount of effort you've put into the map thus far, and the fact that I used it last year in the park a couple of times.
I shall purchase a copy from you when they're available. I'd feel guilty otherwise!
~jeremy
206.188.77.30
Re: Map
March 20 2009, 4:23 PM
No need to feel guilty! I'll put you down for the book? Or were you interested in the full sized map?
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. The good thing is that the pages are printed by a laser printer, meaning that if you bring a page or two (Or the entire book,) and it gets wet, the ink won't bleed, the paper will only get soggy (Again, it'd be nice if I could find a way to get it printed on a waterproof substrate but such is life.)
. That'd be totally awesome to see. I realize what a pain in the ass it can be to print sections of it out yourself, plus you really need it printed by a laser printer so it doesn't bleed if it gets wet. So yea, I hope this helps!
