The black bay is a very retro peice. Prices (discount) are a bargin. I own an old school Sumbariner but not doing it for me lately. Love to add a 305 but can not justify the cost over a green ceramic Submariner ( i know back to Rolex again).. The deal on used 24/25's put them within a grand or so of the black bay. I suspect in the long run you might be happier.