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*** SIHH 2012 paneristi.com exclusive - Live pictures of the PAM422 and PAM423

January 30 2012 at 7:58 PM

Martin Wilmsen  (Select Login wilmsenm)
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My second to last SIHH post is about two new regular production 47mm watches with similar specifications.
The 422 was announced a couple of weeks before SIHH, the 423 however was quite a surprise. I for one wasn't expecting to see a 47mm with a power reserve indicator on the dial along the lines of that of the PAM90.
Both the 422 and the 423 have a sapphire crystal. Looking at my pics I would have believed it if they told me those were plexis. Good looking watches, very suitable for daily wear - provided that you can pull off a 47mm of course wink.gif

The PAM422 Luminor Marina 1950 3 Days
Case: 47mm AISI 316L polished steel
Movement: Hand-wound mechanical, Panerai P.3001 calibre, executed entirely by Panerai
Functions: hours, minutes, small seconds, power reserve indicator on the back, seconds reset
Water resistance: 100 metres
Crystal: Sapphire 3.0 mm
Back: See-through sapphire crystal

And the PAM423 Luminor Marina 1950 3 Days Power Reserve
Case: 47mm AISI 316L polished steel
Movement: Hand-wound mechanical, Panerai P.3002 calibre, executed entirely by Panerai
Functions: hours, minutes, seconds, power reserve indicator, seconds reset
Water resistance: 100 metres
Crystal: Crystal 3.0 mm
Back: See-through sapphire crystal

Both watches have the case that was first introduced last year with the PAM372. The most important visual difference between the two new ones is obviously the power reserve indicator at the 4 o'clock position on the dial of the 423.
The engraving on the sandwich dials is the same as that of the 372. And so is the color that is used for the lettering. The Luminova is ecru.

First the 422...

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Next, the 423 with its power reserve indicator on the dial...

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And finally a shot with both watches...

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You can find the SIHH specifications here:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/thread/1326702018/***+SIHH+2012+%26gt%3B+Luminor+Marina+1950+3+Days+47+MM+%2B+Luminor+1950+3+Days+PR+47+MM+***

The first official OP photos of the watch from the SIHH press kit can be found here:
422http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/thread/1326718385/***+SIHH+2012+photos+of+the+PAM422+LUMINOR+MARINA+1950+3+DAYS+-+47+MM
423http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/thread/1326714673/***+SIHH+2012+photos+of+the+PAM423+LUMINOR+MARINA+1950+3+DAYS+POWER+RESERVE+-+47+MM

And just for the fun of it, a few shots of the 372...

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Cheers,
Martin



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Rus
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excellent shot, Martin, as always...

January 30 2012, 8:07 PM 

I am also curious to see the movement of the 422. Do you have any display back picture of the 422?

Thanks.

 
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Martin Wilmsen
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Thanks and...

January 30 2012, 8:32 PM 

not my picture but...

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Should have taken pics of that too but I guess I forgot.
At least I should have mentioned that the 422 has a pr indicator on the back. Sorry about that.

Cheers,
Martin


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Rus
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Thank you Martin

January 30 2012, 8:39 PM 

Yes, I have seen that display back press kit picture on the first day of SIHH, but I was hoping to see your live pictures of the display back...

No worries, Martin, thanks for the report.

 
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Richard
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Killer photography - as usual, Martin!

January 31 2012, 2:06 AM 



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Jonathan
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Awesome pictures as always but.............

January 30 2012, 8:12 PM 

how to ruin a watch by putting a power reserve indicator on it - PART I.

PART II - if you really want to go the full beans - put a logo on it .........

422 - I'm feeling that all day long happy.gif

 
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Martin Wilmsen
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That's a bit...,

January 30 2012, 8:35 PM 

...harsh in my opinion. Many enthusiasts, many opinions.
All fine by me but you're selling it short by saying they've ruined the watch by putting a pr indicator on the dial.
Thanks for your reply though.
Cheers,
Martin


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Jonathan
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As you said everyone has opinion.....

January 30 2012, 9:34 PM 

and living in a democratic society means I can profer my opinion without fear of persecution or recrimination.

As I mentioned in my post Martin, your pictures are awesome as always and in my opinion the watch is not. Nothing too harsh. In my opinion the dial is too cluttered and the PR indicator looks out of place on a watch that has very historical overtones.

This site wouldn't be what it is if it wasn't for the varying degrees of opinion of each and every Risti. This I'm sure you wholeheartedly agree with. I for one think Panerai has had its fair share of PUP's and I certainly don't subscribe to the mindset of thinking everything they release is beyond reproach.

Just an opinion on a democratic self-policing forum.

 
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Martin Wilmsen
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Don't get me wrong...

January 30 2012, 10:24 PM 

I didn't say you shouldn't express your opinion. By all means, write whatever you want.
Trust me, I encourage it. Discussions add value to the forum.
Like you, I'm simply expressing my personal opinion, no harm meant nor done as far as I'm concerned!
Cheers,
Martin


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Sean
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Killer Snaps Martin

January 30 2012, 8:15 PM 

thanks yet again!

Sean

 
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covac
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Stunning photography Martin ........

January 30 2012, 8:41 PM 

......and If you'd told me before SIHH that OP were going to put a PR indicator on a Vintage style watch I would have probably asked you what you'd been smoking ......but .........i'm warming to it !! ......could be that slightly above average photography though happy.gif

Thx for all the work you've put in to date on the SIHH machines Martin ....MUCH appreciated sir happy.gif

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Martin Wilmsen
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hehe

January 30 2012, 8:57 PM 

I'm warming up to it too and I haven't been smoking any funny stuff... so go figure.
The 90 was my first, that might be it. Old love doesn't rust, as they say over here happy.gif



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shafikzaman
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Variety - The Spice of Life

January 30 2012, 10:48 PM 

The 422 and 423 are really well executed and add some 'spice' to the 372 base if you like!
Like you Martin, the 90 was my first too - still kinda miss it (but for the strap and clasp!).
These days though I do prefer the less spicy watches (just got the 390 and it rocks!).

 
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Martin Wilmsen
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Like you...

January 30 2012, 11:16 PM 

I've shifted my interest to base dials too, seems to be a natural process for all who hang around here for a bit longer.
But still madly in love with my 233 and 243 too, so yes, variety is nice happy.gif
Congratulations with your 390!
Cheers,
Martin


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Rus
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one more thing, you mention that if u've been told it's plexi, you would have believe it..

January 30 2012, 8:47 PM 

so from handling the actual watch itself, can you tell the difference between sapphire of 422/423 vs the plexi on the 372?

 
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Martin Wilmsen
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In all honesty...

January 30 2012, 8:54 PM 

when I was taking the pics I was under the impression that both watches had a plexi. Later on I realized that they don't. Might be that I've been focusing too much attention on taking pictures, as opposed to paying closer attention to the watches... You have to know that OP are very cooperative, but there are constantly people waiting to see the watches. So I had more time with some models than I did with other models. These two were gone before I knew it, which is probably also why I have no case back photos.
Cheers,
Martin


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Rus
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got it, Martin! no worries

January 30 2012, 9:15 PM 

the reason I ask is that IF someone as knowledgeable as you can't tell the difference between sapphire and plexi unless being told (albeit you didn't spend much time on it), then why would Panerai put a plexi on 372 IF someone can't tell the difference unless being told?

I mean, I do understand the reason behind it, it's more historically correct, of course, but I believe these historically enthuasists are looking more on the looks of the vintage PAM, how it looks as close as the vintage as much as possible, so if both crystal have the same looks and feel, sapphire is more durable and more scratch resistant vs plexi. DNA is DNA, I get it, but unless there is a substantial difference in looks and feel between sapphire vs plexi, I would always opt for the modern and more durable solution for a $10k watch if I am selling a watch.

If you are a dealer and selling 372 to a regular Joe and marketed that Panerai is a tool watch, you as a dealer do not want people come back to your shop and complain that the crystal 'scratch', and especially since 372 is a regular production watch. If it's an SE, then yes like 249/448/449, it's more targeted toward enthusiasts and again, I understand the reason, but going plexi for a regular watch, I think it's not a wise move.

Just my opinion.

 
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Harald Benz
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Thanks Martin!

January 30 2012, 8:51 PM 

Amazing pictures. As always!

Got to say I'm really digging the 422. I'm more tempted to go for it than the 372.

 
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dp
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awesome pics....the pr on the 423 makes me cry....8^)

January 30 2012, 8:54 PM 



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Martin Wilmsen
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please don't cry...

January 30 2012, 8:59 PM 

it's only a pr indicator wink.gif


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