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Help with this PreA4

August 29 2017 at 7:57 AM
Vie  (Login LuminorLovin)
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I've come across this puzzling PreA4.

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As to my understanding from a post by Maurits Bollen,and i quote "On most pre-A Luminors (or Bases) and Luminor Marinas you will find pre-Vendome style or T-SWISS-T dials (note the hyphens)".

There is None on this PreA4.

Could this be a franken watch? or a replica?

No back story nor confirmation has been found regarding this PreA4, i just know that this is authentic, as was told by the owner.

Can anybody share their thought?


Cheers.
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Marius
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Re: Help with this PreA4

August 29 2017, 11:32 AM 

Dial is from a 5218.

As the serial doesnt include the A, it is a PreA-A version. It COULD be that left over dials from the 5218 where used within the new model. Same applied to B Series T-Dials. However there's no way to proof it 100%.

 
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Vie
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Thank you for the input, much appreciated.

August 29 2017, 8:06 PM 

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Laurent
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Not a pre-vendome dial

August 29 2017, 12:48 PM 

It isn't a Pre-V dial, the typo is like Vendôme models (pre-V have a serif typo and a specific R), but none T-SWISS-T strange, fake dial?.
Is-it a ETA 6497-2 Pre-A movement with large "côtes de Genèves" and "Officine Panerai Firenze" Engraving?
Let us know.
Laurent

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Vie
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43.251.96.5

Marius's opinion..>>>>

August 29 2017, 8:11 PM 

Was that, this could be a 5218 dial.

I don't believe that this could be fake.

However, i'll update you, if there's more info on this.
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covac
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My take ........

August 29 2017, 7:08 PM 

Firstly ......dial /caseback look okay to my eye ....with the obvious exception of the lack of the T HYPHEN T under the six ....but ......I have seen a few Pre-A's where the the white painted writing of the T HYPHEN T has literally started to de-bond and fall off and you could see bits of white paint floating around in the dial .......remember this was relatively early days for OP and mistakes happened .

Rather than let OP change the dial for ,say , an Luminova dial .....a collector MAY have asked a watchmaker to remove all the faulty White painted letters so it didn't cause any potential damage to the watch dial /mvt and looked overall much neater .

The more cynical amongst us might also suggest that the writing under the six has been removed to try and pass the watch off as the arguably more covetable Pre -V two zero three A ?

All the above is just my humble opinion having gone through the murky tunnel of collecting Pre A's and V's about ten -fifteen years ago

I hope you get to the bottom of it to give you some peace of mind



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Vie
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Your humble opinion is very much appreciated Covac >>>

August 29 2017, 8:23 PM 

A real head scatcher indeed.

I can find no white particles on the dial.

As someone mentioned, this could very well be a 5218 dial.

I really hope i can find real answers to this puzzling piece.

Cheers mate.
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Covac
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You won't find any residue of white 'lettering '......

August 29 2017, 8:37 PM 

If the watch has been opened up and the lettering has been completely removed and the dial cleaned
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Covac
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Also .... highly unlikely to be a pre v dial imho .......

August 29 2017, 8:44 PM 

....... hard to tell looking from my iPhone ....... but , as someone else mentioned , the font looks to be later than pre v

Take a look at the 'R' in the word PANERAI on a pre v Luminor dial ..... then look at the 'R' on your Pre A

My eyes aren't as good as they used to be but it looks like your 'R' has a curved front leg

The Pre V fonts 'R' has a shorter front leg that is completely straight

Hope that makes sense


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adman7
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About those R's . . .

August 30 2017, 3:33 AM 

photos to add to Covac's context . .

Pre-V
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Pre-A
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Covac
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August 30 2017, 6:55 AM 

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Tommy
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Try to take a look

August 30 2017, 8:11 AM 

Pam 203 Pre V :

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My 004 Pre A

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Pre a movement

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I hope to have been helpful if you need another ask as well

 
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CM
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Hi, did all the preV watches have serifs? Its pretty clear with your comparison.

August 30 2017, 1:38 PM 

Thanks!
T.O Risti

 
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Vie
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43.251.96.5

Thanks for the reference PIcs Tommy!!

September 1 2017, 10:53 AM 

I haven't had the chance to open the caseback yet.

When i do, i'll post pics.

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Vie
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drooling over that PreV!!

September 1 2017, 10:50 AM 

Thanks fot the reference pics Adman!!
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Vie
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Yupe, definitely a PreA 'R'

September 1 2017, 10:49 AM 

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anton.kozlov
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not a pre-V dial

August 30 2017, 5:19 PM 

the font is not pre-V, take a closer look on attached pics. in my opinion "U" on pre-V is narrower that on this 4A. Franken?
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b.Lau
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I love these threads...

August 30 2017, 7:55 PM 

Finding out details of the Pre A, Pre V etc was always so fascinating to me.

Thanks for all the info guys!

 
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Pakal
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Is the millesimation...

August 31 2017, 3:54 PM 

... consistent with the serial number? Excluding the fact that is a pre-v dial (fonts are clearly not matching with pre-v ones), I am very reluctant to think that the t-swiss have fallen off, if not removed on purpose for whatever reason. Time to open the watch and expose the movement.

 
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Covac
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Trust me ...... I owned a pre -A 4 ten years ago ....

August 31 2017, 8:40 PM 

....where the T-Swiss -T started de - bonding and subsequently falling off in tiny pieces
Iv seen one or two others in a similar state to
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