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Queensryche borrows from Winger

October 29 2008 at 8:35 PM
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Epic Concept Album Looks At War From The Soldier?s Perspective; Spring Tour Of U.S. To Follow

LOS ANGELES ? Queensr˙che is currently in the studio putting the finishing touches on their 12th studio album, AMERICAN SOLDIER. The concept album, due this spring from Rhino/Atco, finds the band once again tackling some heavy subject matter, this time focusing on telling the story of war from a firsthand perspective. Singer and chief songwriter Geoff Tate has spent the last few years conducting extensive interviews with veterans and has crafted their thoughts into this epic tale. AMERICAN SOLDIER examines American wars from World War II through Iraq from the viewpoint of those in the trenches and on the frontlines. Following the album?s release, Queensr˙che plan to present tracks from the album live on an extensive spring tour of the U.S., with international dates to follow later in 2009. The first date of the tour will be a hometown gig at Seattle?s Snoqualmie Casino on April 16.

?Queensr˙che has always had incredible support from members of the Armed Services,? says Tate. ?It seems like after every show, I?d end up speaking with a fan that was or had been involved with the military. The more and more I began to hear their accounts and feelings, the more I really felt a conviction to tell their story. Over the last two years, I?ve conducted dozens of one-on-one interviews with veterans of many different American wars. I listened to their amazing and moving recounts and did my best to examine war through their eyes.?


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Re: Queensryche borrows from Winger

October 29 2008, 9:11 PM 

Yes that does sound familiar. Guess I'd better get with Kip and/or Reb soon about getting my story published that's based upon IV...



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Re: Queensryche borrows from Winger

October 29 2008, 9:11 PM 

Wow! How interesting! And ironic that they just performd together I always found it admirable that Kip created songs that have really stood the test of time with regard to war and the military.....he's always seemingly supported our troops even prior to Desert Storm. I mean, look at "Miles Away"....it was the #1 song requested by the troops and their families during Desert Storm.....not a "war" song per se....but definitely our Soldier's song of choice, so they are definitley far reaching. Music definitley makes the world a better place!

There is an interview somewhere on IV from a Soldier's perspective...I'll have to find that and post it here.

Thanks Clemens.....very interesting!

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Queensryche

November 1 2008, 3:32 PM 

I never thought that Queensryche would ever go into that direction. Geoff Tate always seems to be very outspoken about politics and the wars over the years.


I am not sure if anyone ever bought the Queensryche CD of covers that came out not too long ago. Tate went off on one of their covers of U2.

 
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Re: Queensryche

November 1 2008, 7:44 PM 

I didn't even know that Queensryche did a CD of covers. What songs were on it? Interesting!

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Queensryche Take Cover

November 2 2008, 12:02 AM 

Some of the songs on the QR album are: Synchronicity II (Police), Welcome to the Machine (Pink Floyd), For the Love of Money (O-Jays), and Bullet of Blue Sky (U2), just to name a few.


I thought the For the Love of Money track has been done too often. I remember when the Bulletboys covered that song.




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February 1 2009, 5:44 PM 

I had forgotten all about this until I saw this online again and remembered that Clemens had posted about it, so here I am. I don't know much about QR other than listening to their music so it's interesting to hear how they've taken ideas and is now doing an album of this nature.....three years after Winger has already done it. I had metioned in an earlier post that I would post the link I had seen, so here are some excerpts from different sites. I have a lot of respect for all artists and to even think that one artist borrows from another, just doesn't seem right to me. On the upside, it could also be viewed as a compliment to Winger since they are the ones who originated the concept years ago.



Excepts from a follow up Press Release From Frontiers Records - August 2006


"Several songs on this record" reveals Kip, "were inspired by my experience performing at military bases, after meeting the men and women who are in the line of fire. I wrote songs like Blue Suede Shoes, Right Up Ahead and M16 as a way of giving something back to the soldiers who sacrifice themselves for the rest of us to live free."


Excerpt's from SoldiersMind.com "Tunes for the Troops" 2007

Their new album, Winger IV is no exception. The first 4 songs on the album tell a story from the perspective of a soldier. When asked about his inspiration for the album Kip said, "I wanted to write it from their perspective. I didn't want to minimize what they're going through and what they're doing, so I tried to write it from their perspective. I can't begin to imagine what it's like to do what they do. I didn't write it to get Thank You's or public acclaim, but instead wanted to tell them (the troops) Thank You for the job that they do." I think Kip and Reb did a fantastic job of writing from the perspective of a soldier and getting the message they wished to convey across. From the response Kip has gotten from soldiers, the troops must think so as well. Kip said that he's gotten some really good letters from troops in response to Winger IV and what the band was trying to say. Kip commented that Winger doesn't make an album unless they have something they feel needs to be said. With Winger IV, the message that comes across Loud and Clear is that Kip Winger and Winger, fully stand behind our troops, appreciate the sacrifices they make and support them 100%.

I asked Kip about the cover of the album, which features a soldier dressed in Desert Camouflage, holding an M16 with 3 angels protectively watching over his shoulder. The front cover depicts this soldier with a blazing sun in the background and the back cover depicts the same soldier and angels under the full moon. Kip said that he told the artists Ethan Van Sciver and Moose Bauman what his concept was for the album and they just ran with it. In Kips words, "The result was phenomenal." I fully agree with that. The artwork is fantastic and fully conveys the message Kip and the band are trying to share in their songs.


I asked Kip, if he had to pick just 1 song off the Winger IV album for the troops to hear, which song would that be. Without hesitation Kip said "Blue Suede Shoes,"which is a dedication to our troops. Kip feels that it's the best song of the album, in fact he feels that it's the best song they've ever done. This song is written from the perspective of a soldier, telling the reason they so proudly serve their country. Kip gave me permission to post any of the songs from the album, along with the lyrics here for you all to enjoy. Blue Suede Shoes is the song I've chosen and decided after listening to it, that I would create a video, which I think gives the words and music even MORE impact. After listening to the song and reading the lyrics, I think you'll agree that Winger has a definite HIT on their hands!

Blue Suede Shoes
(Dedication to our troops)
Written by Kip Winger and Reb Beach ®

I am the son who believed in the call
Standing beside you I witness it all
Walk hand in hand through cities of clay
Far from the ocean so far from the ocean

You wonder why
Don't you know someone you'd die for?

Put on my blue suede shoes all for you...

I'm not a trophy you hang on your wall
Levy illusion rob Peter pay Paul
I brave the distance I take the fall
Of extreme words unspoken with deeper devotion

Free to decide
Salute the lives laid down before me

Put on my blue suede shoes ah...
Red, white and blue suede shoes all for you...

One look around
Won't you see someone you live for?

Put on my blue suede shoes ah...

Red, white and blue suede shoes all for you...


Excerpt's from A Soldier's Perspective.com "Winger Salutes Soldiers" 2007

As you can see, from the moment you lay eyes on the CD cover, you can see that they love our troops. The cover depicts a service member clad in desert camouflage and body armor and carrying an M16 rifle, looking into the distance as three angelic figures watch over his shoulder. The first song, "Right Up Ahead" starts the CD off with a bang and a good bit of common sense:

Angel wore a green bar for a living
Sleeping in the sand every night
Cindy's holding protests
But it ain't no use to blame
Both sides feel the pain tonight
Hold yourself real tight
Deny
Votes are down, now fight!

The song continues to follow a Soldier (the Angel) as he kicks down the door of the enemy with a loud "huah!". The next song, "Blue Suede Shoes" is a "dedication to our troops" and tell the story of why we serve, starting off strong with:

I am the son who believed in the call
Standing beside you I witness it all
Walk hand in hand throught cities of clay
Far from the ocean so far from the oceanYou wonder why
Don't you know somebody you'd die for?

As you listen to the song, you can feel the explosions in the background. It invites a feeling of intense patriotism as the person telling the story "braves the distance" and "takes the call". If the next war film doesn't pick this song up as a theme, they're missing out on the emotion it evokes. In my mind I can see the bullets flying flying and Soldiers sprinting from building to building, only to calm down and remind us:

Free to decide
Salute the lives laid down before me

Put on my blue suede shoes ah
Red, White, and Blue suede shoes all for you

"'Blue Suede Shoes' is definitely a dedication to the troops," Lead Singer/Bassist Kip Winger said. "I'm writing as if I'm in the shoes of one of those guys. I wanted to give it some dignity I didn't want it to be hypocritical.""M16" deals with the demons and thoughts that combat can do to Soldiers (or PTSD possibly?). The M16 is our best friend. It's there when we're threatened and takes out anything in our way (when it doesn't jam). There are many like it, but this one is mine. "M16" bursts with excitement as a fast paced jam through a Soldiers struggles in a combat zone and deals with some possible setbacks:

Thoughts are reeling
People screaming
No chance I'll ever be the same again
Blindfold the freaks in my head
All they can see is red

Between these songs is more of perhaps Winger's best work yet. Each song is listenable and GREAT cruising music. Personally, I've been blasting "M16" and "Blue Suede Shoes". If you're looking for the perfect stocking stuffer for your "adopted" Soldier overseas, THIS is what I'd want.


Excerpts from Army Times Interview - September 2006

We caught up with Kip in late September as the band was gearing up for a monthlong European tour. In a telephone interview from his Nashville, Tenn., home, he talked about the new album and its military connections.

Among his more recent tour dates was a series of gigs at military bases as part of a VH1 tour and his significant exposure to the military and that experience hit home. "I was just blown away by the people," he said.

So when he and the rest of the old Winger crew were out from under other commitments and ready to do another album, that time among the troops shaped his songwriting.

"How cool would it be," he explained, "to write some songs from the perspective of what they actually experienced?"

Military themes figure most prominently in three songs on "Winger IV" -- "Blue Suede Shoes," "Right Up Ahead" and "M16." In particular, "'Blue Suede Shoes' is definitely a dedication to the troops," he said. "I'm writing as if I'm in the shoes of one of those guys. I wanted to give it some dignity -- I didn't want it to be hypocritical."

In the dramatic power ballad, he sings of a service member in a combat zone who explains his reason for going to war.

I am the son who believed in the call.
Standing beside you I witness it all.
Walk hand and hand through cities of clay.
Far from the ocean, so far from the ocean.

You wonder why.
Don't you know someone you'd die for?

The military also figures prominently in the album art, drawn by veteran comic book artist Ethan Van Sciver. The 32-year-old artist has worked for both DC Comics and Marvel Comics on titles including "Flash," "Wolverine," "New X-Men," "Batman," "Green Lantern" and "Superman."

As he talked with Kip Winger about the concept, "over the course of a few conversations with him, I started to understand his feelings that led to the songs he wrote for the album," Van Sciver said in an e-mail interview. "He really tried to put himself into the shoes of a soldier, to feel what they must feel. And a lot of this album is something like a prayer for them."

The cover depicts a service member clad in desert camouflage and body armor and carrying an M16 rifle, looking into the distance as three angelic figures watch over his shoulder.

"The angels are the prayers and hopes and best wishes from us, to them," Van Sciver said. "We hope they're being looked after as they risk their lives each day. I hope each of them has their own little angel. Or three."

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UPDATE: Okay well, I was trying to resixe these images since they're so huge, but I can't unless I go through PB and edit. Sorry!

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Geoff Tate

February 2 2009, 11:45 AM 

I am sure G.T. will be making his rounds soon to promote his Q.R. album. I wonder if he will go on "That Metal Show" with Eddie Trunk? I wonder if he will give Winger any credit?

Why didn't Mike Stone work on the new Queesnryche album?

 
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February 2 2009, 2:59 PM 

I don't know....I've always liked Queensryche's songs but I don't know much about them. In fact, I just saw where the band didn't write the songs for this new album...I was shocked. Have they always brought in outside writer's? Thanks!

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February 3 2009, 11:48 AM 





As far as I know they have (Queensryche) has always written their songs. Some of their producers may have had a few co-writes, but that is about it.

Tate still to this date gets asked about Chris Degarmo in almost any interview. I know that Tate has eluted to Degarmo was his right hand man. I think QR has lost a little creativity with Degarmo not being in the band. Not to take anything away from Kelly Gray or Mike Stone, but he is an excellent songwriter and guitarist. Silently Lucidity and Bridge are probably some of QR's best ballads.

As far as Queensryche not writing any of their music o this new album, I am shocked. One other thing is that Mike Stone doesn't even play on this album. What is up with that? Is Mike Stone all of sudden Fred Coury?


















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Re: Queensryche borrows from Winger

February 1 2009, 6:22 PM 

Queensryche....Metallica.....they all borrowed from Winger's concept. Metallica went as far as even filming an Iraqi war based video on their newest single.

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Re: Queensryche borrows from Winger

February 1 2009, 6:42 PM 

You have GOT to be kidding Bobbie! Now I'm even more glad Kip had his say in CC Banana's interview.

So here's something interesting as well.....I was reading an unofficial Queensryche message board and it appears a lot of people are interested in this concept...a soldiers perspective, so I wanted to post about Winger IV and they're dedication to the troops that they released in 2006. I tried but you have to be approved before posting, so I'm waiting for that. I went to Queenryche's Official Site first, but you have to pay (become a member of their fan club) before you can post on their site. You can't even READ it unless you pay.

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RE: Queensryche borrows from Winger

February 1 2009, 10:33 PM 

Amen Deeandra! I've seen that show several times now and I still crack up every single time Kip lets that comment fly.

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Re: RE: Queensryche borrows from Winger

February 5 2009, 4:58 PM 

I say good for Kip for being the trend setter instead of the trend follower. We should all be proud of him for that

 
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Jay--re: Mike Stone

February 5 2009, 5:06 PM 

It's official, Mike has left the band. This came out a couple of days ago.

MM (my husband) says that the 'ryche has been working on this for a few years. But IV was about 2 years ago, so who knows...

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Queensryche borrows from Winger?

February 5 2009, 9:01 PM 

TeslaRocker, I agree with kudo's to Kip. He and Reb began writing for Winger IV in late 2005/early 2006....Winger IV's Press Release came out in May 2006, the album was finished in July 2006 and released in October 2006.

Given the fact that in the Queensryche "American Soldier" Press Release from last week, where Geoff Tate said he'd been working on this album for two years (2007) it definitely seems like Winger was a trendsetter in this case.

Chessie, have they always gone through a lot of members? Like I said, I don't much about them, I've just listened to the music, but in reading up on them lately, I was surprised that they didn't write their own music and that they seem to have changed a lot of players. The name Chris DeGarmo keeps coming up.....seems like he was a key player in the band who's come and gone a few times...is that right?

I'm just glad that since so many of us are Winger fans, that the members have remained the same happy.gif Winger ROCKS!!!

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Re: Queensryche borrows from Winger?

February 5 2009, 9:25 PM 

Degarmo was their first guitarist, who left the band and was replaced by Stone. Degarmo wrote most of "Operation Mindcrime" so a lot of fans really want him to come back. From what I've gathered, tho, he's not interested in returning.

In an odd twist, there is a 'seven degrees of separation' between Queensryche and Kip. When the 'ryche was first starting out, they competed in a 'battle of the bands' contest. They were beat soundly by a band that included a drummer named Ken Mary. Ken is one of the drummers on Kip's solo albums. happy.gif



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Re: Queensryche borrows from Winger?

February 11 2009, 9:04 PM 

Very interesting Chessie! Thanks for the info. Makes me especially grateful that Winger is a rock solid band. THAT says a lot!

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