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MACHA Awards...Finally

April 5 2008 at 1:50 AM
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GOLD Division Awards

Offensive Player of the Year – Christian Waters, Missouri-Columbia

Defensive Player of the Year - Salman Shah - Missouri State

Goaltender of the Year - Michael Brown, Missouri State

Coach of the Year – Benjamin Alexander, Missouri State



GOLD Division – First Team

Goaltender - Michael Brown, Missouri State

Defense - Salman Shah - Missouri State

Defense - Brock Gale, Missouri-Columbia

Forward - Ryan Thomas, Southern Illinois-Edwardsville

Forward - Christian Waters, Missouri-Columbia

Forward - Danny Bethmann, Missouri State



GOLD Division – Second Team

Goaltender – Casey Kicielinski, Southern Illinois-Edwardsville

Defense - Clayton Baker, Missouri State

Defense - Chris Koenen, Missouri-Columbia

Forward - Grahame Laxton, Iowa

Forward – Bryan Beaman, Missouri State

Forward – Michael Dolan, Southern Illinois-Edwardsville





SILVER Division Awards

Offensive Player of the Year – Scott Roberts, McKendree

Defensive Player of the Year – Chris Donahue, McKendree

Goaltender of the Year – Brian Andris, Missouri State

Coach of the Year (2) - Bill Misiak, McKendree AND Tom Robertson, Marquette



SILVER Division – First Team

Goaltender - Brian Andris, Missouri State

Defense - Tony Dinnocenzo, Bradley

Defense - Chris Donahue, McKendree

Forward - Charlie Donze, McKendree

Forward - Scott Roberts, McKendree

Forward - Justin Schorr, Northwestern



SILVER Division – Second Team

Goaltender - Brandon Becker, Southern Illinois, Edwardsville

Defense - Steven Dold, Bradley

Defense - Eli Bernstein, Northwestern

Forward - Marty Wilkins, Marquette

Forward - Nick Dreyer, McKendree

Forward - Eric James, Western Illinois

 
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NO MSU Silver All-Stars??????????????

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April 5 2008, 4:16 AM 

Thanks Kich

Curious as to how these teams are selected? Do the coaches from only their respective divisions get to vote?

The Missouri State JV team gets no one named to either the first or second teams (Andris was not on the JV Roster at the end of the season.) Despite taking McKendree into overtime in the championship game. Kinda hard to believe that not one of these kids was a first are second team all-star? Guess I need to know the definition of all-star in the MACHA context.


Thanks again Kich

 
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Something's not right....

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April 5 2008, 9:03 AM 

First of all I need to make a correction. Andris was on the JV Roster at the end of the year. I was thinking of Guempel who played great for the JV team all year but was rostered at the varsity level for the last month.

Now for the part that doesn't make any sense. Andris only played the last month of the season or so as he had been ill and although a capable goalie certainly had neither enough games nor good performances to be called "Goalie of the Year."

Can someone offer some thoughts on this or did the voters perhaps have Guempel and Andris confused?


 
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Re: Something's not right....

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April 5 2008, 1:13 PM 

My guess is that many people went with the netminders who were currently listed for Mo State-White on the ACHA-site. Guempel's name isn't on the MSU-White stat page.

 
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and...

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April 5 2008, 4:09 PM 

as many of these players are deserving of these awards, it is also a joke to some extent as mentioned above. congrats to all of the players who were awarded an all-star selection, and my respects go to those who did not receive their proper recognition. it is difficult to do this selection without bias.

 
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Coach of the Year...

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April 5 2008, 7:35 PM 

So MSU Silver has no all-stars. It's now obvious the goaltender that was "intended" to be voted player of the year wasn't even on the roster of the white team the last month of the season and didn't play in any of the tournament games. (How embarrassing is that voters?)

Tell me how Paul Frizell cannot be coach of the year? He took a team with apparently average talent (certainly no "stars") to the championship game where they took the eventual winner into overtime. But instead the voters name TWO other coaches ahead of him for coach of the year.

I think that perhaps the league better revisit their process for selecting all-stars and coaches of the year because at this moment it appears to be very flawed.

 
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Re: Coach of the Year...

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April 5 2008, 8:25 PM 

Since you seem to have all the answers, what's your suggestion? This is about winning, nobody remembers second place except the second place finishers.

 
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Re: Coach of the Year...

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April 5 2008, 8:37 PM 

Your point is unclear, are you saying there shouldn't be a second team of all-stars? Wouldn't seem to matter because apparently they can't get one right.

 
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Re: Coach of the Year...

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April 10 2008, 11:21 PM 

its CLUB hockey. everyone needs to chill

its just for fun, no one here is going to the NHL anytime soon

 
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April 10 2008, 11:37 PM 

Bill Misiak coached his team to 1st place in Conference and won Silver, while the Robertson not only finished in 2nd in Silver, but turned a 0 win Gold team into a contending Silver team. Thats probably how Coach Frizell didn't win coach of the year.

You dont need an award to validate that you had a great year, calm down.

 
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April 11 2008, 9:11 AM 

The comments were not intended to diminish the accomplishments of the named coaches of the year. However there are facts that support the all-star voting was at best questionable.

Misiak is named coach of the year but he does this with the defensive and offensive players of the year and two other all-stars on his team. He also does this with McKendree's only team (1 - 25 best players in the organization.) With all that going for him, he loses once to Missouri State in Springfield and is taken into overtime in the championship games at East Alton. He does this against a team that is made up of the 25th thru 50th best players in the organization. And against a team that had their starting goalie taken off the team with a month to go in the season.

When you consider that a higher seeded Marquette loses to Missouri State in the semi-final game and Missouri State comes close to winning the whole thing, I think you can argue that either Missouri State has better talent than they were given credit for in the all-star voting or they have a much better coach than anyone else. It's got to be one or the other doesn't it?

They can't get one player named but a not very good Northwestern team gets two kids names as all-stars. It's pretty obvious that the voting was done purely on stats, if that is what an all-star is than just use the ACHA statistics and do away with the voting.

Finally, the voting on the Silver goalie of the year should be plenty of evidence that the voters (I really don't know who they are) were at best lacking in basic knowledge about who they were voting for and at worst appear inept in their roles to select the best players. If you can't take the time to gain a basic understanding of a team's rosters and who your really voting for perhaps you should abstain.




 
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April 11 2008, 11:43 AM 

What else would offensive awards be based on? I dont think the league has an AMP Energy award for the best 3rd line players; considering +/-, blocked shots, and hits aren't kept by all teams and aren't required stats, it makes it even harder for coaches around the league to vote for defensive players on other teams. Add that to the fact that generally defensemen are skating backwards away from the opposing benches for 2 periods a game, a coach couldn't even see the number of a good defenseman from an opposing team.

For awards in many of the leagues I have been around and observed, the regular season is the basis by which all awards are chosen. So everything the coaches/players do in the playoffs is pretty irrelevant (Anaheim Ducks coach Randy Carlyle didn't win the Jack Adams last year and I don't think Travis Moen saw any first place votes for the Hart).

Generally, coaching awards are given to the Coaches who either A) won the league or B) turned his team around. McK has a much smaller crop to choose from, and given the fact that they won the league, I dont really know why else anyone besides Misiak would get it, and if they did Marquette's bench boss would be runner-up. If you want the guy to get an award that bad, pick up the Disney Print Studio Collection at a bargain bin at any fine retailer, and make him an award yourself.

The Silver goalie "situation" has pretty much been laid to rest, whether it was a system error on the ACHA site, a stat keeping problem on Mo State's part, there didn't seem to be any wavering at the Silver-GOY award at the league meeting. If it was that big of a deal, it should have been corrected prior to voting, at the meeting, or resolved at the Mo State banquet.

Feel free to keep talking about it on here, the forum is here for that purpose. People get snubbed all the time in all sports for all-star teams and other awards. Just use it for motivation for next year to win the Championship...the only award that really matters.

-Kich

 
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April 11 2008, 7:10 PM 

It has to be about more than reading the stats off of the website. Or why not just tally them up and post the winners? I won't get too personal here but one of the named all-star's is one of the worst one-way players I've ever seen. I bet if you asked virtually any player that played against him (and many of his own teammates) if he is an All-Star the answer would be a loud no. This kid can't spell defense. Maybe the players should have a say in the voting, they certainly couldn't do any worse.

Your argument about Robinson qualifying for turning a winless gold team around is not really very convincing. Of course their going to be be markedly better team playing at the Silver level and they still got knocked out of the playoff's by another organizations 25 - 50th kids when he's playing his 1 - 25. That's one statistic that seems to be totally ignored.

Regarding the silver goalie situation maybe it has been beaten up but is perhaps that vote is really just the canary in the mine. I mean gosh if you can't get your goalie of the year vote/award right somethings amiss. For the record, I think your silver goalie (Becker)was clearly the best goalie I saw play all year and he's the one that really got hurt by this voting debacle.


 
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April 12 2008, 8:25 PM 

You have players 1 - 25 for the MSU White team. The fact that there is also a Maroon team had NO bearing what so ever in my vote. That argument is getting old and stale. The goalie they had at the beginning of the season or most of the season is THE MAIN reason they had such a tremendous season. But, they also had a good team which is why they had some good playoff games without him. MSU - White didn't have any STAND OUT players. They had a very balanced team. As far as all star teams go.. Sorry buddy, but most people really don't care about this voting as much as you do. GET OVER IT. Your whining and complaining is getting old and stale. Go ahead and come back on here say that it isn't complaining but it is. It clearly is when you start putting down other players instead of SOLELY stating the facts why your guy(s) should be in a spot. Those arguments would be things such as 1. most points 2. CLEARLY worked hard and at a level higher than others on the ice, enough that coaches would remember him, things like that. A good argument IS NOT, well, he was actually player number 27 out of 50 AND he plays both ends of the ice unlike a guy on another team that can't spell. I will never, ever base any voting on the fact that it is the "second team." If we do that, then we also have to put things like 1. total school enrollment, 2. financial aid opportunities, 3. tuition of each school, 4. cost to play in said program, things like that into play. That being said, McKendree or Marquette's coach clearly would then win over MSU's. McKendree has what? 2000 students. They will never have 2 teams and they have no desire to have two teams. So if you want that argument, here is what I suggest, rally up some troops from your pity party, form a new league, call it the 26 - 50's league and then all of those arguments have more merit. Until then, GET OVER IT.

P.S. One way players can get very far and win a lot of awards if they are THAT good on the one end. You know it, I know it, everyone that has read this has seen it and knows it.

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April 12 2008, 10:29 PM 

I may be whining but that doesn't dismiss the fact that you and others picked the wrong player of the year. Now that's just sad. You justify that no MSU-White players were named to the all-star team because they were a balanced team with no stand out players and credit most of their success to a goalie who wasn't even on the team for the last month of the year and had nothing to do with their success in the playoff's, again sad.

Here's what I think, if you played at the Silver level you got beat by MSU-White at least once. You are probably affiliated with a club that only had one team and you needed someway to rationalize that fact. So you give all the credit to their goalie who isn't even there at the end. Now if I'm you I'm feeling pretty stupid right about now and would probably keep my mouth shut.

You say no standout players? This shows your clueless about recognizing talent (I guess that explains the voting.) One of their players scored 90 plus points for mid-states in his senior year. If you watched him play for only 3 shifts you would recognize that he is "stand-out" player but apparently you were watching the goalie (now which goalie was that?)

It's one thing to make a mockery of the voting by voting for the wrong kid (pathetic is another word that comes to mind), it's another thing to attack the messenger. What did you think you could name the wrong player, supporting your wrong assumption (that the good play of the MSU White team was because of this goalie) and no one would notice or care. No such luck. Next time spend a few minutes to at least learn who is on the roster and who is not.

 
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April 13 2008, 5:38 AM 

wow.. get lives people

 
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April 13 2008, 8:39 PM 

no wonder people don't think much of Missouri state. If this is really how they act and think, my opinion's changing as well. Hope this is only one crybaby.

 
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April 13 2008, 11:28 PM 

"no wonder people don't think much of Missouri state"

That's a pretty broad statement, care to elaborate?

What people and for what reasons? They certainly don't play goon hockey. They honor all of their committments. They treat people to a great experience when they visit Springfield. I would think those would be the key criteria for liking or disliking an organization. Hard to comprehend why "people" don't think much of Missouri State. Please help us understand who these people are and why they don't think much of Missouri State.

 
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April 14 2008, 1:40 AM 

"no wonder people don't think much of Missouri state. If this is really how they act and think, my opinion's changing as well. Hope this is only one crybaby."

hahahahaha

that's great!

probably one of the best organized and run programs ive seen. I do not attend the school or am involved in the organization. but everyone is entitled to an opinion.. even if it may be extremely absurd..


 
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April 14 2008, 7:57 AM 

Thank you

 
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April 16 2008, 4:47 AM 

congrats he had 90 points in high school get over it he is in college now

 
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April 16 2008, 7:58 AM 

Do you have a clue what it takes to score 92 points in mid-states hockey or an any level of hockey? My guess is not a clue. The highest number of points scored by any mid-states player in 2008 was 76 and in 2007 it was 61. He's playing "club" college hockey which is not a quantum leap from high school hockey.

 
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April 16 2008, 8:46 AM 

congrats to him for selling himself short

 
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April 16 2008, 10:26 AM 

I know what its like I registered over 100 my freshman year at mck so just drop it he didnt make it, the season is over

 
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April 16 2008, 12:43 PM 

is 12 the fat kid who acts like a child on mckendree? he's got good hands though..

 
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April 17 2008, 1:44 AM 

I bet the fat kid had more points than you did.

 
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