I want to start this message by saying that I don't believe that Natalie's death was the result of foul play. However, one thing that I've never understood is why those who do believe in the 'foul play' theory, target RJ Wagner as the person responsible, while completely ignoring a much more plausible suspect - Dennis Davern!

Basically, here's a man who has behaved in what I would consider to be a suspicious manner from day 1!

Firstly, we have the policeman who initially interviewed him (the morning after) who said that Davern was clearly drunk and had been drinking all night. Why? Neither RJ nor Chris Walken was in that state - they'd clearly stopped drinking at the point they realised Natalie was missing (or maybe slighly earlier than that). Shouldn't Davern have been helping with the search, rather than drinking himself into a stupor?

Secondly (leading on from the first point), why did Davern drink anything at all? As skipper of the yacht, he should have remained stone cold sober - part of his duties would have been to ensure the safety of his employers and their guest. Even if he had been offered a drink, it should have been his duty to refuse it. It's sort of like a lifeguard at the local swimming pool being drunk on duty, or the Captain of a Nuclear Submarine being drunk on duty. In both cases, those people would, quite rightly, lose their jobs!

Thirdly, why does Dennis Davern keep changing his story? The obvious answer is to make money. But his different versions of events all have something in common - the implication of RJ Wagner. In the latest version (told to Suzanne Finstadt) he claims that he witnessed RJ and Natalie fighting on deck, then, when she fell into the water, RJ stood and watched her drown, mocking her as she fought for her life. My first thought on hearing this 'new' account was that it sounded to me like an 'indirect' confession by Davern (i.e. he wanted to unburden himself, but didn't want to directly confess to the crime).

I can think of two possible motives for Davern which would make him a likely suspect:-

1 Davern was unhappy about his treatment by his employers, which could either have been a genuine grievence, or one that Davern conjoured up in his own mind. On the night of Natalie's death, the alcohol he's been consuming (perhaps coupled with comments made during the evening to or about him by RJ and/or Natalie) caused him to snap. Seeing Natalie alone on deck, he confronts her. She falls in the water, he stands there mocking her as she drowns. He then returns to the bridge, where he sits and waits for RJ and Chris to realise Natalie is missing and begin the search....

2 Davern was in love with Natalie. Let's face it, she was a beautiful woman and probably at least half the men on the planet were in love with her! But for Davern, it's different. He actually works for her, spending time with her, talking to her, laughing and joking with her. He perceives RJ as not being worthy of her! She deserves so much better...him, perhaps! Normally, he'd keep these feelings in check, but on that fateful night, he gets drunk and, having heard the argument going on in the saloon, sees Natalie walk out on deck. He approaches her and tells her how he feels - how he wants to take her away from the bad man she's married to! She tells him to get lost - she wouldn't want him if he was the last man on the planet! He snaps and, as he watches her trying to untie (or retie) the dinghy, he pushes her into the water. As she pleads for help, he stands there mocking her. With her cries ringing in his ears, he then returns to the bridge, where he sits and waits for RJ and Chris to realise Natalie is missing and begin the search....

Incidentally, both the above 'motives' would neatly explain why Davern's 'stories' of that night all seem to implicate RJ - a) to shift the focus away from Davern and b) to 'get back' at this man who either (in his eyes) treated him badly or treated Natalie badly.

Joanne

dennis davern was a scum bag looking to make a fast buck...he changed his story so many times...he made up so many versions of that horrible night just to make himself some money. at the time of natalie's death there was a tabloid frenzy and he joined in...his word is garbage to me...i would place more belief in lana and i don't believe a word she has said. both have changed their stories and she was not there...she got her info from him. i don't think anyone killed anyone. natalie fell in the water, fought like hell to save her own life, succumbed to hypothermia and died...many people have questioned where davern was and why he was allowed to get so drunk...the answer to that is that the wagners' treated everyone who worked for them like family... including davern...so if they partied...he partied...right or wrong....my instinct tells me that davern tried to get money out of rj...couldn't...and then he started with all of these stories...i have read every word i could possibly read concerning natalie's death. there are things that i won't read...i won't read that last chapter in finstad's book and i won't read that article in vanity fair...and the reason is that they reek of dennis davern.
i don't think anyone is sickened by the length of time rj waited to call for help that rj himself...we can all sit here and ask why he took so long. i have asked the question...

...but over the years i feel that he acted according to his instincts when it came to natalie...he knew her better than any of us...just as she knew him...they knew how to love each other and how to push each others buttons...they were having a bad weekend but he never thought in a million years that she could be could possibly be in trouble until he called for help...i believe that...

As I said in the message that started this thread, I don't believe foul play was involved. I just wanted to point out that for those who do believe in the 'foul play' theory, Dennis Davern could be considered just as likely a suspect as RJ!

Thinking about it, Davern should surely not have even gone ashore with the others that night - isn't a skipper supposed to stay with the craft he (or she) is skippering when the passangers are away? His behaviour was completely unprofessional im my opinion - no matter how 'friendly' RJ and Natalie were to him, he was still an employee with a job to do. Anyone with even an ounce of common sense would have known that fraternising with your employer, consuming large quantities of alcohol and leaving the yacht unattended was a bad idea!

It would be interesting to know exactly what previous experience (if any) he had in skippering yachts.

I have the 'Vanity Fair' article and it does have the Davern stamp all over it. They seem to accept his account without question, which is odd considering that the police have for years considered him to be a total crackpot!

Joanne

Exactly! Davern could be as much a suspect as RJ! Nobody saw anything & a captain of a yacht should never be intoxicated or on drugs while on duty. He was both. From the book it sounded like he was drunk all the time. He also made it sound like he'd worked for them for 30 yrs instead of a measly six yrs. I also don't believe he was a close family friend, but just a paid employee they were kind & generous too & liked.

know it all sings a different song now.

That's exactly what I think too. She fell in the water accidentally & succumbed to hypothermia. In that cold water, it wouldn't have taken long to drown. It's nice to find people with some good common sense instead of these hate filled idiot trolls on here that would believe anything. They're jealous of Wagner's fame & popularity & money. People like that will believe anything.

Very, very good insite, I like it and your style, I believe the question mark always exists in every case.

To answer you question about Natalie. I love Natalie very deeply period. Always have always will.

thanks,vlad...i have gone over this in my mind many times and perhaps i always will...and i feel the same as you about natalie..like you said..always have , always will......she was the best...

Didn't know Natalie, never knew her--correctly believed I would never get the chance to meet her. But I love her, too, and wish she was still here.

Xxxxx, I read your opinion stating that Dennis Davern is a "scum bag out to make a buck" which could not be further from the truth. Soon, a book we wrote will be on the stands. Then, you will know the truth about Natalie Wood's death and about Dennis Davern. You are correct, there WAS a tabloid frenzy, but Dennis always turned down the money for the truth. If you are interested in talking to me about this story, I'd be more than happy to correspond with you through email. We have a lot of truth to tell. Sincerely, Marti Rulli

Now, that's interesting....another book with the truth about Nat's death will be out soon....well, Peter Rydyn has been promising about a revealing book to be out, for years. And, if I'm not wrong, it's from the Geraldo Rivera show that you, Ms Rulli, are talking about a book with your friend Davern..isn't it by chance, the same book?. And all for the sake of truth, of course...
To be sincere, Joanne's theory does not look too much far-frtched, not at all...

first of all joanne is a huge robert wagner fan. her views are tainted by her adoration for him. she does not give a damn about natalie's death. she stalked this board and others to defend him. joanne's theories are as baseless she claims rydyn's and davern's are...
as far as davern, if he has all this "truth" what the hell is taking him so long to tell it. why has he waited so long to write this book? why has he not gone to the authorities with his "truth"...and which "truth" will he be telling. he and rydyn have been talking about these books for years. where are they? what is taking so long? maybe they can't find anyone who will publish these books as long as wagner is alive. so much for TRUTH....

When I said 'all for the sake of truth' that was meant ironically. I do not think Davern has any truth to reveal, except the one he might concoct for the sake of money... and more or less the same goes for Rydyn. And if I recall correctly, Rasure sort of suspected Davern from the beginning, that's what Finstad book says.

It's interesting, Ms. Rulli, that you say "WE have a lot of truth to tell." Forgive me, were you there? No, I didn't think so. And aren't you the same woman who Geraldo caught with a hidden camera plotting backstage with Davern about the story you'd tell on his TV show? Thanks, but I'll pass.....

Wow, isn't this little tidbit interesting? Davern & Rulli have peddled their tale of fiction for years to the tabloids & anyone that would listen. They weren't too successful. From the looks of only 32 other reviews on Amazon for their book, they're still not very successful. Only a couple hundred signatures for that silly petition too.

Well, that's fuuny, Joanne, because before I started researching this case, I had the same scenario in my head, but about Chrisopher Walken, not Davern.

Now, I don't think either man murdered her. My focus remains on R.J. I meant to tackle the issue of Davern's behavior, but you beat me to the punch. I'm still reasearching his comments and actions, but will have commemts and questions soon.

Sorry about my typing errors. I just got off work and am tired.

Ms. Rulli, (if you are her), can you please go on record and state whom your publisher is so that I/we can verify your claim that a book has been written?

Thanks.

Michael J. Eastman
Author: "Hollywood Is Dying" (Tate Publishing)

p.s. My publisher, Tate Publishing, will only verify I am under contract, as I am still writing the above book. If that's your situation, too, your publisher can still verify that you are under contract.

Vlad say this, whatever Joanne say is what you americans call "golden with me". Joanne it is the upmost expert on Natalie Wood and Robert Wagner. Vlad say the truth will come out yes. I would like to read this book. Vlad know.

joanne is a huge wagner fan who believes what she wants to believe. she thinks that he is a wonderful man who always tells the truth. she knows nothing about natalie. she did not even know who natalie was and that natalie was married to rj until natalie died...that shows you what an expert she is. she lives and breaths wagner, sits at home a draws pictures of him. please..you would consider her an expert...and trust me, joanne's ideas about what happened the night natalie died will be VASTLY different from what dennis will tell.

Wow! Guess even Maryanne has an enemy here. Well, I'm neutral about JoAnne, so far.

As for Vlad, he isn't a foreiner. He is comical, though.

joanne is not here as far as i know. she left because she could no longer tolerate the unwarranted attacks on wagner. believe me if she were here your neutral position would be over.

Michael, do not put all your eggs in one basket. You know nothing about me, please keep your comments to yourself. Vlad has NEVER showed you any disrespect. Vlad know.

Joanne is the be all and the all be about Natalie and RJ she knows all, her knowledge overwhealms Vlad Vlad know.

and that is an indication of how little vlad "know". joanne is a robert wagner freak, pure and simple.

Maybe Joanne is Vlad. He sure is singing her praises, and not for the first time....

Please "make me" keep my comments to myself!

You don't fool me. Your act is comical. Try saying something else besides "Vlad know" all the time.

By the way, Vlad, a foreigner would not know that American idiom about placing all your eggs in one basket.

Try some other way to fool us.

Joanne mixes up real life and the fantasy world created by the H2H series. She thinks RJ Wagner is Jonathan Hart......lol. He's her heroe, he's in her dreams...she has no life

I guess Rulli didn't have to respond to you. She knew her book was in the works and probably was laughing when she saw your post. Hey why not give us a list of your New York Times Best Seller lists or did they all wind up on the remainders table?
Aren't you the Poet Laureate who refuses to read anything by a Gay author?

Someone named Joanne points the finger at Dennis Davern for Natalie's death. How absurb! SHe knows nothing about what truly happened that fateful evening and quotes SUzanne Finstad, also someone who knows nothing. I know what happened that night, and Dennis Davern had NOTHING to do with Natalie's death. Dennis is the ONLY person who tried to prevent the tragedy. All will soon be revealed. Through the years, Dennis Davern never once lied, nor changed his story. He simply didn't (couldn't) tell all until now. MR

If you've read any of her previous posts, Joanne is so gone for Wagner the LAST person she'd cite for the truth is Finstadt...LOL.

As for you Marti, your sentence in your last post "All will soon be revealed" has a rather Vald-ish tone to it. Another question raised??

joanne's theory is baseless. she will say anything to defend and protect wagner. davern has done a few questionable things since natalie's death but to say that he killed her is the most ridiculous thing...but that is joanne.
she uses the shabby police investigation as wagner's defense. she paints him as a victim. she claims that he was so weak and heartbroken that jill was able to trap him in a relationship and trick him into marriage. joanne lives a fantasy world. and she is the be all, end all, of info on natalie and wagner. i think not. she believes what she wants to believe and most of it is her own web of fantasy.
if natalie was murdered, it was not dennis davern who killed her.

What is this Vlad-ish. Why Vlad get blamed for everything. I am Vlad see my log in yes.

What is Vlad-ish? I'll be happy to define. Vlad-ish is writing your posts with a put-on foreign accent for no reason other than to sound strange.

Where did you go Vladie honey? Lisamarilynfan scare you off or something?
What happened? Did TruthSeeker get to close to the truth and outed you with all your screen names? Did your buddy from the RJlist site tell you to leave before all your real neames were used like you tried to do to other people?

Well, let's be honest, shall we? He's not totally blameless. What is a sea captain doing drunk when it's his responsibility to keep an eye on his passengers?

That last message I wrote is for Marti Rulli. This stupid webpage doesn't always place them where they should be!

yes, but, it's wagner's responsibility ,as the owner, to take dennis aside and say, "OK, enough."...dennis crewed the boat. wagner owned the boat. if dennis felt comfortable enough to join in, it must have been something that he had done regularly and it must have been encouraged.

I don't whom it is that wrote the above comment, but it still leads to negligence and unprofessionalism on the part of Davern.

The first time he was offered a drink was "enough." He's not employed to be a drinking buddy. He's employed to do a job, and he failed to do it properly.

I don't "know" whom it is...it should have said.

Joanne hates Natalie Wood. She thinks RJ and Stephanie Powers are in love. She hates Jill too. She lives in a Hart to Hart fantasy land.

Joanne, maybe you should EXPLAIN how Davern changed his story. Where does that come from? I've seen him on several documentaries and read his VF article and a few tabloid stories. His story has never changed from his first expose to now.... If you mean it changed from what he told the police, then Wagner's story certainly has changed, too. Didn't Wagner tell the cops he went out to look for her in a search boat? Didn't he say the wine bottle that he broke in anger fell to floor from high seas? Didn't he say there was no argument, all these things he contradicts in HIS book! So get off your high horse and come up with the actual CHANGES you accuse Davern of. I can spare you the effort. Davern HASN'T changed his story once! I bought 13 copies of Goodbye Natalie Goodbye Splendour. I think it will make a great gift to all my friends who loved Natalie. Just thought you'd like to know that you and your blind Wagner friends won't stop this book.

and furthermore, it's okay for YOU to accuse DAVERN of murder, but for him as someone who was THERE and knows what really led up to Natalie's unfortunate death, you criticize him for what he might've seen that will upset YOU as a fan? But, you can say your little stupid theory and that's ok? Davern didn't murder Natalie and you know it. Deep down, you know what probably happened that night. You're fantasy lover admits everything in HIS book that Davern has been saying all along, and you can't stand that. Your own fantasy lover says Davern is telling the truth and you don't even accept it from your own horse's mouth!

13 copies?? You haven't even read it yet and you committed to 13 copies?? Talk about blind faith.

Can you spell I-D-I-O-T?? LOL

I'd rather buy 13 blind copies of Rulli's book than one copy of that pack of lies and fantasy that Eyman wrote and Wagner tacked his name on to.
Big macho man! Talks about all the ladies he banged. They are dead now and can't tell him he is full of it. Why didn't he talk about some of the guys that banged him? And I refer to it as I said it because Wagner is a big old Nelly bottom boy with his scrawney little legs and hairy back. How do I know? I banged him too! What can I say? I was drunk! I admit it!

Actually, I CAN spell idiot. See? I.D.I.O.T. I can also spell liar. L.I.A.R. What's synonymous with liar? The name Wagner. W.A.G.N.E.R.
There. Aren't I a good speller?
I'm also a good reader and so are all of my friends who will love to get Goodbye Natalie Goodbye Splendour as a gift. I know that just the existence of Rulli and Davern's book is more than we could ever hope for in regards to some justice for a beautiful victim. Call it blind faith or call it anything you like. People will read this book! And you will, too. (And if you don't, then shut up about it because then you are only an ignorant reviewer, pretty much the way you are an ignorant poster.) I didn't critique the book yet, I just said I bought many copies. And maybe millions of others will, too. Doesn't that just eat away at your already rotting mind?

Great post! I too can't wait for the book to be released. I'm keeping an open mind here.After reading both Wagner's and Lambert's books filled with Wagner agendas hopefully Rulli and Davern will have the truth for us at last.
In Wagner's book nothing added up. His story has changed and changed over the years and his book verified these inconsistancies page after page. I can't understand the reason for this mans fan base, meager as it is.
As for Lambert's book. Question? How much did Wagner pay him to make him look good and Natalie Wood comes off as a mentally addled alcoholic? I believe it is the other way around. Wagner is the needy brain addled selfish alcoholic minor leaguer. Wood was the talented, beautiful super star who probably was beginning to realize she'd made the same mistake twice and Wagner knew this and his jealousy boiled over on that cold November night in 1981.

No, not really.

I just read this post. Isn't this Joanne from the RJlist over on Yahoo?
The fat little thing who never had a date and fantasies about Robert Wagner and draws pictures of him and Stephanie Powers?
What did Davern have to gain you dumb woman? Nothing, absolutely nothing! What did RJ have to gain? Everything! Homes, money, the grieving widower BS. Davern had nothing to gain. Where are his mansions, limos, fame?
Bottom line, Wagner is a drunk pig who was worried and jealous of his wife because he probably felt she was outgrowing him and his insecurities and would divorce him. If he got rid of her he could play the grieving widower and get her money too.
What did Davern get? A few guest shots on Wagner's suck hole hart two hart show.
Wagner did something to her and that is that. PERIOD!
The SOB belongs behind bars with OJ and Spector.

The above post is one of the best and insightful ones ever placed here!

The above post crap, **** you are so transparent, promote Rulli's book somewhere else, no one cares but you and that is not saying alot. There was a time when you were madly in love with Wagner and actually you still are, you have been brainwashed by Rulli and Davern, but you have a history of "jumping on the band wagon". When the book tanks it what wagon will you jump on next Walkens? LOL

Hey, Joanne: copy and paste the following address into your browser and you will see at ecampus.com that Goodbye Natalie Goodbye Splendour is #4 (just behind Michael J Fox!!!!!!! in the Biography/Entertainment category. Know what that means, Joanne? (BTW, this is from the person who can spell I.D.I.O.T, not your nemisis "***") Anyway, it MEANS that this book isn't going to "tank" -- It MEANS that a whole hellava lot of people are buying this book and anxious to read it. It MEANS that MANY people are going to be promoting this book and you sure as hell won't scare me away from promoting it. I pulled your horrible post up here because I think you must be insane to place Davern in your fantasy scenario. And, my name is NOT "Gabby" -- and I jump on NO bandwagons. This book hasn't even been advertised yet, and it's already a bestseller, Joanne. That means NO TANK. Go ahead and keep loving your fantasy man even after he's exposed. I could care less. You might end up as the one person who DOESN'T buy this book! LOL Go ahead...take a look: or go to ecampus.com. Click on BESTSELLERS...then biography, then entertainment: You'll see GNGS as #4. Wow...maybe I'll order 13 more copies TONIGHT!

http://www.ecampus.com/cat_searchresult.asp?cat1=Biography+%26+Autobiography&cat2=Entertainment+%26+Performing+Arts&cat3=&cat4=

The book is not number four on the best seller list, it is number four on the list, it's just a listing of books for sale and its fourth on A LIST try again LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. The book will tank no one cares Marti Rulli's blog has tanked, no mediaq has even picked up on this why? it's ben deemed a joke, Davern? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL drunken drugged up liar. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

I.D.I.O.T. -- the list changes daily. Michael J. Fox was # 1 last week and #3 the other. Now he's #2 because it's the BESTSELLER LIST in the Biography Entertainment category...it FLUCTUATES BY SALES.
LOL all that you like. The only way to get to that list is by clicking on "BESTSELLERS" -- How stupid ARE you? Why would ANY site put Goodbye Natalie Goodbye Splendour-- a book not even advertised yet, as #4 amongst all those other bestsellers? LMAO at your stupidity. You think you can change anything in the world to fit your stupidity but it doesn't happen that way. You're stupid and the world is not. You can't wait to read this book. You just can't wait!

ok, ok, I'm gonna break into this grammar school-like argument only because I'm a web master and have been for over a decade, and might be able to straighten out this inane conversation.
I checked Marti Rulli's blog stats. It's a private one, not advertised or even connected to profit enhancing, search engine, ad-based links. Obviously, that's not the purpose of the blog. It's thus far a private web undertaking, not meant to draw much attention. Hmmmm....wonder why! Such type blogs usually are created for private sector visiting. I also checked out the ecampus list. It's a bonafide top seller list, as it is in no alphbetical order, no other presentation order other than selling status. There are only 100 books on the list because it is the top selling 100 list for the biography/entertaining performing arts category. Rulli's book is currently number 4. Not bad for a book with no cover design! Every other book on the list has a cover, and most are currently available. That's an amazing status, so whomever said that book tanked, you're wrong. Very few books sell that well before publication. As for the Rulli blog, it appears designed to tank. Again, I wonder why?

The media hasn't picked up on this book yet because its media promotions have not yet started. That usually doesn't happen until about 8 weeks before a book's release. Do you people here know anything?

Joanne sounds exactly like VLAD and RJWFAN1 with all the LOL's when she can't think of anything to say.

Don't you have Dennis Davern mixed up with Robert Wagner? Davern was NOT Natalie Wood's husband. Wagner was! He was supposed to protect her at all costs! He admitted this! She is DEAD because of that drunken SOB not because of Davern or Walken or anyone else!
SHE IS DEAD BECAUSE ROBERT WAGNER IS A SELFISH, ARROGANT, DRUNK WHO CARED AND STILL CARES ABOUT NO ONE BUT HIMSELF. The person that said he belonged behind bars with O J Simpson is right!
Right behind those watery, boozed out, aged blue eyes is GUILT! You can see it in every breath that despicable excuse for a human takes.
The guilt will follow the SOB to the grave!

Dennis Davern was the Captain of the Splendour, he was the licensed operator of the boat. Be that as it may he is responsible for the safety and well being of the passengers on that boat regardless of ownership. Mr. Davern that night was drunk and on drugs therefore not performing the duties that he is obligated to do under his license. If Mr. Davern was performing his duties under his obligation Mrs. Natalie Wagner would still be alive. The person responsible for her safety that night is the person responsible for her death.

Gordon

I wouldn't be so sure if I were you. The Maritime Laws covering pleasure boats are very complex but in the end it all goes back to the owner of the boat. We're not talking about a commercial fishing boat or a pirate ship. The owner would be held civilly responsible in an incident and if his hired skipper was intoxicated and the owner was aware of his intoxication and enabled him by supplying the liquor the owner would be doubly responsible if it could be proven that the intoxication of the skipper directly caused the incident and if the owner was also intoxicated it would further complicate a civil or criminal suit. It's not as black and white as stated.
It's ludicrous to blame Dennis Davern's intoxication for Natalie Wood's death. It's reaching.

Dennis was a Wagner EMPLOYEE. He was "captain" or "skipper" but allowed to be a socializing one. There's really not much he could do if he didn't know what happened or wasn't summoned for help! A socail yacht captain is allowed to sleep or go to his quarters at night, too!
And, didn't Wagner himself say in his book that he was a better captain than the one he employed? How conveniently timed to say that he was thinking about getting rid of Davern in his book, too. If that were the case, why would he have given Davern a H2H acting job? Why would he have kept Davern in his company for 3 years after Natalie died if he "blamed his captain"?? Apparently, Wagner had NEVER "blamed his captain" so it's fairly inappropriate and unfair for we plebians to do so.
Sounds like someone really needed and WANTED his captain around!!
And, a captain is supposed to do something once informed that a passenger is missing. We've all learned that it was Wagner who demanded Davern do nothing to try to save Natalie. We all know that Wagner wanted to protect his image instead of to look for his wife missing at sea. We all know about the low-key 2-hour wait call, and another 2 hours for official help! I highly doubt it was Davern who made those fatal decisions.
We all know that Wagner drank with Davern while Natalie was missing. We all know that Davern identified Natalie. We know that Davern, in no way, shape, or form is responsible for Natalie's diappearance and death. Only thing Davern might be guilty of is keeping quiet for an alcoholic sociopath for FAR TOO LONG. Bring on your story, Davern! I can't wait to hear the added details!

Well said. Your post reeks of "guilty as charged" towards Dennis Davern, and we are to believe what hes ays in his book? Regardless of what Wagner said or did that night Davern was the captain by license he was in charge and should have fullfilled his duties, he failed, he lost a passenger, he is responsible, if Wagner did anything for Davern he saved his butt, Wagner took all the responsibility, makes one wonder if Davern had something to do with her death doesn't it, after all he was in love with Natalie, like he will admit in his book....oh the possibilities.

Gordon

Get real! Davern was an employee. He is in no way responsible for Natalie's death. He's the one who wanted to try to save her and Wagner wouldn't allow it. Maybe he feared for his life, too! How was he supposed to know what his employer was about to do to his wife? EVERYONE was in love with Natalie, but Davern was her friend and nothing more. You are an idiot. I can spell that word, too.

OMG, how gullible are you? You honestly believe that story that Wagner wouldn't let Davern save her?? That's a load of BS and Davern's book says so. Rulli even admits it on her blog.

I.D.I.O.T.

Sorry, give me the words...I don't see that on Rulli's blog. Maybe we are dechiphering things a different way.

Where did Rulli admit that? I read something very different. I suspect Rulli was talking about Finstad version of the night Natalie died when she made that statement on her blog. You are surmising. I will wait for the book before I judge what is BS and what is not. Too many suppositions are being made here by both sides. I say, let's read the book and then we will know for certain what Rulli is saying. Personally, the more I see people butt heads on this site, the more I want to read this book. My curiosity is peaked just by the verbal jabbing going on here. It's a bit too over the top for my taste and some of it is down right nasty but the jabbing going on here is a sign of how deeply this woman's death affected people as well as a sign of how petrified some of Mr. Wagner's fans are about what this book my reveal. Some communicate in a defensive but civil manner, others seem totally out of control with their need to extol Mr. Wagner's innocence.

That IS Finstat's version.

FInstad's version came from Lana Wood, not Davern. Rulli's book is Davern. These are the words we need to listen to, not bystanders versions. Davern was THERE.

I don't care where the version came from. My point is that the previous poster believes it to be true, however Rulli is saying it isn't.

Rulli hasn't kept her blog updated. I wonder why. Maybe because the book has been halted? What a laughable embarassment that would be! Davern and Rulli will be exposed for what they are, watch and see.

the book will be released. Rulli is probably just sitting back watching all you morons bicker back and forth but she will have the last laugh when you all buy it and find out the truth so suck on that one Joanne and Vlad and Gordon and all the other jack offs on here

No, sadly she and Davern will get the last laugh as they cash the checks.

Yes, to the above poster, I find that odd, myself. It's almost as if the Wagner fans know that this doomsday was coming for their idol....IF that's what's included in Rulli's book. It could end up a memoir, but I sure hope she doesn't do that to this curious public. I doubt a publisher would have bothered if so. I look forward to this book.

I can not wait for Rulli's book to come out. I already have a U S friend who is send ing me a copy. All Rulli's detractors bring up that old interview with Rivera. The lady had a lot of years to polish herself. She was green back then and was probably afraid especially of Wagner. I hope she isn't afraid of that that drunken dodgy old man anymore. I hope all her findings have proof so nobody can dispute anything and I hope she finally brings that poufter Robert Wagner to his knees and not in the way he would like.

Oh yeah, her plan to lie on Geraldo had everything to do with her being "green", I'm sure. But maybe there is some truth to what you've written. Had she been more "seasoned", she wouldn't have allowed her plan to have been caught on tape.

Who asked you your opinion? You sound like one of those RJ nutters from the RJlist. Are you Joanne the fat little dykish looking fool from there?
RJ's book was a bunch of LIES! Stop sniffing up his backside.

LOLOLOL. I love getting a rise out of you people. And the comebacks are always the same - criticism of Wagner. No substance, as usual.

LOLOLOLOL.

What did she lie about? Were you in the studio? Did you get the entire picture?
You people would kill for that worthless Robert Wagner. He couldn't give a rat's ass about any of you. As long as you buy his garbage lies and fall all over yourselves trying to sniff his butt crack he will smile that guilty smile for all of you.
Go back to your RJlist and trash everyone like you usually do including Natalie Wood just so you can build him up.

This Geraldo post sure is interesting.

yep blame everyone but the real killer ROBERT WAGNER!
Gordon you are an idiot and a retarded fool. Better you stick with your tabloid crap.
Wagner killed her. He killed her as sure as if he held her under water.
Walken and Davern were not married to her. Wagner was. Davern worked for Wagner. Wagner owned the boat not Davern. Wagner had the last say on everything because as you always say DAVERN WORKED FOR WAGNER.

Well, guess that's all we needed to know in order to solve it - Davern worked for Wagner. Case closed. You can all go home now.

No you are so right there is so little Davern could have done that night. He says after all he was in fear for his life, a 30 year old guy with a physical job, he must have been TERRIFIED of Wagner a 51 year old man, gosh maybe he thought Wagner would get into an altercation with him and he might fall into the water, that would be terrifying! It was 100 feet to the Coast Guard Cutter, he would have had to swim there in that cold water and then-oh horrors maybe had to report why he ended up there. Natalie lived for hours so jeepers that would have been awkward. But then later rather than tell the police he chose to cover Wagner. Thats really all that matters, he chose to tell his story in a book not to the authorities. If you would like to talk about this I will be happy to explain the holes in his story.

Thanks
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What a weird deal. I just read the book Goodbye Natalie. All I could think was that people didnt take boating and drinkning too seriously in the eighties. I dont think people took drinking and driving too seriously either. Its kind of Boogie Nights. It is interesting though. It does seem like a manslaughter case since I guess you could argue that the ocean killed her. Did she die of drowning or hypothermia, I could not really figure that out.

These idiots will dio and say anything to protect that worthless hunk of crap Wagner.

How exactly does one dio? Just curious.

People expect typos at internet forums for crying out loud, and most people know to just read on, so your stupid focus on typos just shows that you're out of ammunition. You're reloading, so to speak. You've got no better comeback. Picking on typos at forums and in chatrooms is as much as waste of time as watching Hart to Hart is.

I included the typo on purpose...did you find the word as used instead of a? If not, here it is again: Picking out typos at a forum is as much A waste of time as watching Hart to Hart is.

Ammunition for what? Is this war?

Gawd you are impossibly stupid.

so is your Mommy for giving birth to you but her stupidity didnt stop her from pooping you out

This isn't Joanne writing these posts its Vlad and his buddy from the RJlist.
VLAD BABY WHERE DID ALL YOUR POSTS GO ON THE IMDB SITE? All your crap you deleted and now you are back on there just like on here.
What happened? Did big bad LisaMarilynFan scare you so bad that you did tinkle in your training pants?
Wagner is a liar! A big fat drunken hairy back liar drunk scum bag just like you

I have the Geraldo tape. Rulli didn't lie about anything. She was asking Davern to finally own up to everything. She said, "After what you told me last night...." You could see the frustration in her tone and eyes anout WANTING to tell the TRUTH, but she said, "We can't tell it here...it has to be explained RIGHT." That doesn't sound like a liar to me. I can't wait for her book!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Uh, I'm not sure I believe that you can't wait for the book. You didn't use enough exclamation points.

Is this enough?
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LOL

I think this topic should be bumped on top. Because some of these old messages are quite interesting.

I agree. This message proves that people were condemning Davern with no legitimate cause or right to. This is terrible that these kind of things were being said about a man who was just working the weekend. Isn't it peculiar that it's OK to accuse Davern, but, God-forbid, never Wagner, the one who admits he went into a fit of anger so outrageous that he slammed a bottle of wine against a table that shattered thru the room? Yeah, Davern had motive. This post is so junvenile-minded, it does belong to be bumped up: just to show how absurd it is.

Wagner killed her. What else is there to know?

Now they are throwing in thread from years ago just like they did with Halegro's. They will do anything to side track.

seriously, how do you pronounce this guy's last name?
Da vern? Dah vern? Just wondering.

Da vern not Dav ern. Two syllables.
Pronounce Da almost as Duh and vern as you normally would. Such as how one pronounces Jules Vern. Dennis Davern

You are wrong. I know Dennis well. I worked for him for 10 years. That is not his personality at all, you are way off. He is a lot more caring than you can ever imagine and would never physically hurt someone. You guys are just reaching out for whatever sounds good to you, your merely guessing when in all actuality you really haven't a clue. He's sick of people bugging him about this, that is why he wrote a book. The night Natalie died was a sad one for him. Read the book, leave him alone- he's a good man.

Don't woory about this. It os a certain troll on this board who despises both Marti and Dennis for telling the truth about the SOB drunk Robert Wagner.
If you will go back through you will see this thread was started ages ago and left to die ages ago but the troll has nothing new to add so she dredges up these old threads just like she did with a few morte.
She is a barking mad fool and we try to ignore her the best we can.

Instead of saying we why don't you say me xxxxx. and you are the one who pulled up this old post.

You are WRONG! She had nothing to do with it. WE posted the last message here and the only one that dredges up these old posts is FRANCES PUCCI who got dumped from the RJ list, has nothing else to lie about and is so obsessed with the person you mentioned she is going insane OR SHOULD WE REPHRASE THAT AND SAY YOU ARE GOING INSANE!
Once again you have her posting 24/7. Get a life you IMBECILE!
We are surte once the site owner sees the name you always accuse he will edit it because everyone knos you are the SCOURGE TROLL OF THE INTERNET!

Calm down. Did you stop taking your meds again?

Hi Joanne,
I agree with everything you posted & I'm impressed with your logic. I feel exactly the same way that a captain or skipper of any boat should never be drunk or on drugs. Their primary concern should be the safety of the passengers. Davern would have been in no condition to search for Natalie that night since he was so drunk & on drugs. I don't think he had anything to do with Natalie's death but I do not believe Wagner did either. These people on these boards are so hateful if you disagree with them. I even have Rulli telling people to "warn me" like she's going to sue me for libel for my opinions that I posted on Amazon.

I don't see how anyone could have believed this book. Her silly forensic tests & how in the world can drunk man remember last week what was said verbatim, much less 28 years later? Seems like there's not a whole lot of interest in this book as there's only 32 reviews on Amazon besides mine. I don't even give the book one star, I give it zero. I had to put one to get the review. There's something so fishy about Davern's recall with all that detail almost 30 yrs. later. It's comfort to know the police side with us & are not interested in this book of nonsense. It proves nothing & I was so disgusted once I read the 300 pages & got to the end & thought "this is IT?? This is his story??" So they have a heated argument & he last sees Natalie in her nightgown arguing with RJ on the back deck. RJ comes & tells Davern 30 mins. later that Natalie & the dinghy's gone & RJ wouldn't go search for her. That's pretty much it in a nutshell. Davern was negligent not to have searched for her. That's what a good captain would have done. But Davern couldn't have driven that yacht could he - too wasted. I think it's terrible they can call him a murderer over that little bit of nothing.

Total idiots.

Wagner's boat. Wagner's wife. Wagner's call.
He let his wife die.